Originally posted by Jorev Is it true that the only way to trade/sell is to spam a public channel? That would be lame.
That is actually 100% completely untrue. It's quite easy to set up a private shop where you can sell things easily, no fuss and or muss.
One of the things I absolutely HATED about L2 was the private shops, moving around Giran (is that the right name?) was impossible, due to the lag the shops caused.
Edit: And Vendris, that is exactly what I mean, just you conveyed it better.
That I will in fact agree with you on. While I certainly respect players/shop keepers for doing the best with what they were handed, I've always found the idea of some 500+ shop venders just sitting around the on the cobol stone /afk selling a little silly. Whatever town that may be.
Personally I enjoyed the method SWG employed in having both private shops and many public auction locations to sell player made goods, and plus with player housing it made the system that much easier to organize for the player base. Lag I can't really attest to though, as I only rarely experienced lag in L2, even in busy towns with many upon many venders sitting around. Although to be fair, I certainly had friends that said it was dreadful for them to even walk into the areas.
Originally posted by isurus I remember back in open beta; all the newbie areas were packed. There was huge competition over mob spawns and some very interesting social dynamics came about because of it. Toes were getting stepped on, egos were bumping in to each other. PVP would break out all over the place and it lead for a very exciting newbie game. Nowadays, newbie areas are desolate and the goal is to get through the first 20 levels as fast as possible. Newbie helper NPCs and starter shots have been added to help with this, but it's sad that what originally was a great hook to the game has degraded into a desert of inactivity. I guess this can be said about all MMOs, though. One thing that has always confused me is that your character changes so dramatically at lv20 (and to a lesser extent, lv40). When you hit that first class transfer your character can potentially transform into something completely different than what you've been playing for the last 20 levels. And speaking of lv20 transfers, whoever created the Scavenger quest was derranged. I think NCsoft should add a wide variety of meaningful, low level, low SP skills for pre-20 characters to try out their options. Notice i said meaningful, ie. give mystics an option other than spam wind strike solo for the first 20 levels. Give them some more buffs or a summon. Afterall, ow can you tell, prior to lv20, that you want to be a buffer when all you do is nuke mobs with windstrike? If you've never made a character before, you probably don't even know that such an option exists. In this respect, L2 requires some research and planning. New players should look up the lv40 classes and read about them on forums. Unfortunately the L2 playerbase is especially bad, as this is a very cutthroat game that encourages you to do whatever is necessary to meet your goals (underhanded techniques are very prevalent here). I played retail for well over a year and have played on various private servers on and off ever since. I could write a class description guide that explains the gameplay of all the lv40+ classes, but it would probably be dated as i haven't played C5 yet. I don't know, talk me in to it edit: Nevermind, there already is one as a sticky in the L2 forum (go figure). If you're just starting to get into L2, GO READ IT
And that is just the thing Isurus. You got it right.
L2 is not a "hey... looks cool, might as well try it " game.
When the game first came out I was intriuged by the images I was seeing. I read all the reviews and realized that it wasn't the type of game I wanted to play. Still, I never tried an online game and EQ held no interest for me whatsoever (or any of the other options in June 2004.
So I bought it so that I could at least try it and see what it was all about, with the idea that I would probably stay a week.
Well, here it is, about 3 years later. I have a lvl 75 Spellhowler (soon to be a Stormscreamer in 35% - a few weeks work). The sieges can be incredible. And if you are a more hardcore pvp'er, the clan wars are right up your ally.
But this is not a game for people who are looking for guildwars or WoW or EQ2 type play (not bashing those games, just that L2 is so different).
I'm sorry that people don't like it but you can't like everything. This is a very "particular" game. It is not for everyone (and sometimes I don't think it's for me either.. yet here i am enjoying myself). But you need to do research and be prepared, otherwise you will just end up bitter.
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I don't think Lineage 2 is a boring game at all, quite the opposite actually. I just started last night and got up to lvl 10. I'm not sure if I have ever had as much fun in a MMO as I did with my first 10 levels of Lineage 2. I didn't mind the farming 40 wolves or getting the orc and werewolf pieces because I had a blast doing it. Sure, I did get ganked a few times and I met some immature players, but I also met some nice players who killed the gankers for me and one even gave me some great buffs. The human starter town on the server Bartz (think that's what it's called) was very populated and I even met a few people that were new too.
I have played many, many MMO's before and have never played a game as much fun as Lineage 2. I always heard many complaints about Korean MMO's that they were "copies of Lineage 2." Well, now having played Lineage 2, I wish they were or I'd still be playing them (*cough* RF Online). I was ready to give up on Eastern MMO's altogether until I experienced Lineage 2, and now I'm looking forward to the next generation of Eastern MMO's as well.
(Don't get me wrong, I love our western MMO's and am even playing EQ2 and CoH/V right now. It's just that I need something else to fill the void and L2 does that for me.)
There is a lot to say about people who try to talk you into something that doesnt grab you off the bat. Now, Now, b4 anyone starts jumping down my throat. I am not saying that L2 might not have great content later on int the game. What has to be taking into consideration is that the MMO industry is bigger then it ever has been worldwide. There are just simply to many variety of people playing for game designers of MMO to presume that people will still play through a game that doesnt catch them from the go.
"The easy and fun to learn but hard to master!" battle cry that all the MMO designers are bellowing out at the top of their lungs does hold true in alot of ways. This battle cry by no means mean we need to have more WOW clones (I would shoot myself it that is what it meant).
But what it does is help MMO designers focus more on fun and interactivity again instead of a never ending amount of crap loot and a whole lot of empty space with no content.
Originally posted by franksalbe There is a lot to say about people who try to talk you into something that doesnt grab you off the bat. Now, Now, b4 anyone starts jumping down my throat. I am not saying that L2 might not have great content later on int the game. What has to be taking into consideration is that the MMO industry is bigger then it ever has been worldwide. There are just simply to many variety of people playing for game designers of MMO to presume that people will still play through a game that doesnt catch them from the go. "The easy and fun to learn but hard to master!" battle cry that all the MMO designers are bellowing out at the top of their lungs does hold true in alot of ways. This battle cry by no means mean we need to have more WOW clones (I would shoot myself it that is what it meant). But what it does is help MMO designers focus more on fun and interactivity again instead of a never ending amount of crap loot and a whole lot of empty space with no content.
Well, I don't think you are off the mark. It's just that if one is going to try a game that is geared toward a niche market I feel it's fair to understand what that game is about.
Of course people should not feel that they should continue in a game that they dont' like. That's a given. But you can't evaluate a game like L2 in the face of other games as L2 is not about "fun quests" and ease of use.
It's a brutal game. Heck, I think the developers even saw this as they have changed the dropping rules on a recent patch.
Leveling is easier than ever. Well, as compared to the initial launch.
But it is and will always be about pvp. Not just fighting but the politics. That is the game. And yes it is not for many people.
But that's like saying baseball is boring when compared to Hockey. Sure, Baseball is not for everyone but there is an elegance to the game that appeals to some.
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TBH First impressons of the game don't look too good, having empty areas do take the 'MM' out of MMO.. It looks a soild system tho, both click and arrow movements, thats good, a tutorial that speaks to you, very rare to find but always helpful..
I'll play it out the full trial myself, it's a shame I can't give it my full attention tho, hopfully I'll get to the 'good stuff' before it expires
Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's.
Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect
Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it.
I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterally NO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism.
Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted.
Originally posted by Zerocool032 Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's. Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it. I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterally NO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism. Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted.
I love moronic comments like the ones quoted. Oh I hate this game so it must be something wrong with anyone else, that actually does enjoy it. Please get a clue. People are different. Just because you are too narrow minded to accept this. Doesn't mean we wish to hear your moronic babbling. "Don't waste your time with Korean MMO's?" The only thing thats a waste of time, is the stupidity you, and people like you use to fill the forums with your post.
Don't like Korean MMO's? Good for you. When you post stupid shit like the above post though. Expect to be called on it. I swear I've read some truly stupid post in my time, but the above one takes the cake. Too stupid to realize that people taste are different.
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Originally posted by Zerocool032 Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's. Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it. I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterally NO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism. Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted.
I love moronic comments like the ones quoted. Oh I hate this game so it must be something wrong with anyone else, that actually does enjoy it. Please get a clue. People are different. Just because you are too narrow minded to accept this. Doesn't mean we wish to hear your moronic babbling. "Don't waste your time with Korean MMO's?" The only thing thats a waste of time, is the stupidity you, and people like you use to fill the forums with your post.
Don't like Korean MMO's? Good for you. When you post stupid shit like the above post though. Expect to be called on it. I swear I've read some truly stupid post in my time, but the above one takes the cake. Too stupid to realize that people taste are different.
Im aware that people have different tastes, this is just my brutally honest opinion.
First of all, level 10 takes like a half-hour to an hour to get to since they made it REALLY easy.
Also, if you do not think you should have to grind your way through (even though you don't have to, I have PvPed at level 1 with someone, also raids start at like level 20) I say wait until Interlude patch. There are things called Fortresses coming that are for smaller clans.
BTW, do not quit now, I know it may be a bit rough at first, I highly recommend you get to level 20-30 first and start to go to Dion and Giran whenever you need to go to town.
Originally posted by MajorBiggs I started playing yesterday ..and i ended up playing ALL DAY. i reached lvl 14 and i really am enjoying this game. Im coming home straight after work and playing this all day. Awesome. This trial is great.
Yep this is my first cool mmorpg but im on trial cant wait till i get the whole thing!!
Originally posted by Zerocool032 Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's. That's an unfortunate piece of ignorance. You see it as shitty, which is fine as every game certainly will not appeal to everyone and you absolutely do not have to like it but just because you don't enjoy it doesn't mean it's shitty. Also, between Lineage 1 and Lineage 2, anywhere between 3 and 4 million players would dissagree with you worldwide. Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect Again, that's just a missconception. Once could say the exact same thing about western MMO's. They're just different, just beccause you don't like them doesn't make them bad. Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it. Please tell me whats fun about doing quest after quest involving completely useless events that don't affect the world, please tell me what's fun about grinding raids for 6 months to gain that super uber gear to look like absolutely everyone else in a game. For me it's not, for 5 million people who play WoW it is, it doesn't mean it's bad, it just means it's not for me. On the same token though, L2 can be much more then just a straight grind to 70+, if you actually look into the game there's probably more depth to it then just about any MMO on the market. From class progression quests to seven signs, clan building to crafting, open pvp to castle seiging (which you can participate in any time but mostly around lvl 60+), raids and questing. There is so much to do but again, as has been said, L2 will not ever hold your hand, you have to decide to do these things. I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterallyNO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism. I'm sorry but you just don't know the game, period. There's much, much more the just 1 or 2 pieces of armor or weapons per 10 levels, the weapon and armor system is ten times more extensive then EQ2, WoW and SoR put together. Character customization, as is very common with non-western type games, basic, simple and stylized. This is a personal preference. The quests on the other hand, you just don't know the game. Yes there are certainly the standar fedex quests and the "go kill 10 rats" quests but go beyond that, try event world changing global quests, try seven signs, try castle quests. There huge and amazingly fun. As far as the autism comment, well if you notice, most people who are trying to be reasonable about explaining L2 have yet to insult anyone, yet you can't seem to help yourself here. It's self explanatory isn't it. Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted. Well again, millions of people would dissagree with you and again, you seem to have this hate on for what you call "Korean MMO's", which is fine of course. If you want to be so little that you have to clump all games in such a manner then that's your priority but telling people that they will be wasting there time? Again it's just ignorance.
LOL, seriously man wtf is wrong with you? This thread was going okay till you got here and had bitch fit. You gonna call me moronic and stupid a millions times before you get to your point to?
Originally posted by Orthosin gameloading is the most fanboy of korean games there is not one korean game he hates. Even before archlord was released he said how much of a GOD game it was. Lineage II is suck, id rather play EVE 24 hours straight non stop then play lineage II again for one minute, and I hate EVE with a passion. I only have one Damage spell with my mystic and im level 11?!
THis game is horrible and i think its worse then dark and light.
Read my posts before you open that mouth of yours, as I never said there is not one korean MMO I don't like, quite the oposite. but then again, I'm talking to coolguy20, who had to change accounts as soon as he realized people found him annoying because of the spamming
Yes it does matter what level one reaches. If the op would have actually played for a reasonable amount of time, he would have seen that there are plenty of players around, they are at the higher level towns. Also, Close to all of the features DO start at a higher level, including the most important one, pvp. he didn't even make his first class change yet.also notice how he says korean MMO's don't have an AH. funny thing is, Lineage 2 DOES have an AH. its just not in the starter town, the only town he has been to. its like going to a theme park, walk trough the entrance, then walk right out without going into any of the rides, telling everybody how much it sucks.
Someone bring in a ref to do a 10 count. I think Darkchronic just got knocked the f*** out.
No, I'm still here, I'm also pretty sure this isn't a boxing match.
I didn't dispute the population thing, because when I played (some time last year, just before Chronicle 4, I think.) Teon was always full of people, even in the Dwarf starting areas, I saw many people, one guy even gave me expensive soulshots. The fact that all the good content starts at a high level isn't a good thing, at all, well, yeah, he hadn't made his class change, but from what I remember, it didn't really change much. The OP's point about an auction house seemed a bit odd, as L2 does have one, I never used it, so can't say anything about it.
I think the metaphor would go something like this: He walked into the theme park free, yet he saw that he'd have to crawl through 100 metres of turgid slime before reaching the rides, amazingly fantastic rides, rivalled by only a few other theme parks, which all have flaws themselves. He crawls through the first 10 metres, and either not knowing about the rides at the end, or thinking they're not worth it, he gives up.
Well, when was the last time you played, and did you got involved in clan politics? Because thats what the game is all about. the game DOES make a big turn. Once you reach level 20, you can start doing the seven sign quest, which is a lot of fun and gives you a nice boost in terms of equipment.
I do agree that a game should be fun right from the start, and your right, it IS a bad thing. but that is no reason to judge the ENTIRE game on the first few level's.
Originally posted by Zerocool032 Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's. Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it. I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterally NO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism. Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted.
All you haters can talk shit all you want, but this guy is dead on...
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Originally posted by Gorukha Forgive Gameloading, he means well, but he doesn't know how to argue.
Gorukha, can you for once just do everybody a favor and shut up? I think I speak for everyone when I say that your the most annoying troll on mmorpg.com. You and I both know the only reason you say that is because you can't stand it I completely knocked your anti-asian arguement out of the water by proving you wrong.
Originally posted by Gameloading Well, when was the last time you played, and did you got involved in clan politics?
People keep talking about the 'amazing' clan politics but all I see when playing the game is a bunch of kids whining and threatening eachother when a member gets pked. I understand it can be fun to have free open PVP but alot of in-game people really take the game way too seriously, in the arena's you mostly have groups of players standing around talking about buffs and sexy dark elves, and when someone enters that they don't like or know, they kill him.
Most of the 'clan politics' I've seen is just a pathethic show of groups of people being angry at eachother and wanting to prove they're better, other than that there's not much reason to fight.
Originally posted by shae Yet another bash post by Orthosin about a game he knows nothing about. I'm really not going to get into it, save for one or two points. 1) You get to lvl 10 in an evening in L2 now , you can get to none newbie areas in a few days and yes the new players areas will be sparse and that's actually a very, very good thing. L2 is an open pvp game, take that time to learn the game, understand the class you've chosen and get acclimated to your enironment because later their will be zero tolerance. If someone wants to fight you, they don't have to politely ask you to take up arms so you can have a go at it. There are no safe zones (except for inside cities) and yes it actually takes skill to PVP in L2. (which come to think of it, is probably a good reason why Orthosin couldn't play it). 2) Here's the kicker, L2 will not hold your hand. It's not a damned babysitting service and it's not going to ask you nicely to go here and then there, oh and don't forget to stop by that place. If you cannot handle a game that does NOT tell you where to go, what to do and when to do it, do not play L2. There's plenty of other MMO's that fit that bill and this is not one of them. 3) To enjoy L2 you must understand and appreciate it for what it truly is. An open ended, open PVP, clan based, castle seiging and sometimes raiding MMORPG. There is no one "end game" in L2, it is what you want it to be. Don't want to raid, NP, don't!, it's never going to set you back from those that do. Don't want to castle seige, NP, don't, because it's always your option to do so. That's it, period. Know what your playing. Go back to making your: "WoW is the glory of all MMO's" posts, I still couldn't take you seriously but at the least I could respect you for being a fan of a game you love, now your just making a fool of yourself.
Couldn't have said it better.
You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period.
I played lineage 2 for awhile, up to 30 i belive...the idea of the game was great but i agree it just isnt that great of a game. The only thing the game really has going for them, is the open pvp/castle sieges and such, but really that kind of stuff is only for the top lvls, which is extremely difficult to get to. While leveling, their is very little to do, their are quest, but they involved killing 100 somthing which is extremely ridiculous. And grinding is just a wash and repeat cycle, their is no strategy involved in casual lvling/grouping. The grind is also amazingly long, like someone said before both financially, and expirence.
This game is really only for those who can, and are determined to make it to the top, in other words The hardcore players. Once your up there though, their are the most amazing castle sieges iver ever seen in a game, and interesting pve raid bosses/dungeons.
Originally posted by Zerocool032 Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's. Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it. I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterally NO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism. Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted.
All you haters can talk shit all you want, but this guy is dead on...
You, and others like you that seem to have a hate on for this game, are the ONLY ones "talking shit". The rest of us are actually explaining what the game is about, calmly and politely, without putting anyone down.
That's what gets me about you people, you can sit here and be as childish as you want, rant and rave endlessly without a shred of proof or anything to back what you say up, you can spout off Koreans this and Koreans that and then you say we're the ones hating when all we're doing is using common sense and the experiences we've had.
Of course we're all entitled to our oppinions here but at the very least try to make some sort of sesen when talking out your ass, otherwise it's just shamefull really.
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One of the things I absolutely HATED about L2 was the private shops, moving around Giran (is that the right name?) was impossible, due to the lag the shops caused.
Edit: And Vendris, that is exactly what I mean, just you conveyed it better.
That I will in fact agree with you on. While I certainly respect players/shop keepers for doing the best with what they were handed, I've always found the idea of some 500+ shop venders just sitting around the on the cobol stone /afk selling a little silly. Whatever town that may be.
Personally I enjoyed the method SWG employed in having both private shops and many public auction locations to sell player made goods, and plus with player housing it made the system that much easier to organize for the player base. Lag I can't really attest to though, as I only rarely experienced lag in L2, even in busy towns with many upon many venders sitting around. Although to be fair, I certainly had friends that said it was dreadful for them to even walk into the areas.
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And that is just the thing Isurus. You got it right.
L2 is not a "hey... looks cool, might as well try it " game.
When the game first came out I was intriuged by the images I was seeing. I read all the reviews and realized that it wasn't the type of game I wanted to play. Still, I never tried an online game and EQ held no interest for me whatsoever (or any of the other options in June 2004.
So I bought it so that I could at least try it and see what it was all about, with the idea that I would probably stay a week.
Well, here it is, about 3 years later. I have a lvl 75 Spellhowler (soon to be a Stormscreamer in 35% - a few weeks work). The sieges can be incredible. And if you are a more hardcore pvp'er, the clan wars are right up your ally.
But this is not a game for people who are looking for guildwars or WoW or EQ2 type play (not bashing those games, just that L2 is so different).
I'm sorry that people don't like it but you can't like everything. This is a very "particular" game. It is not for everyone (and sometimes I don't think it's for me either.. yet here i am enjoying myself). But you need to do research and be prepared, otherwise you will just end up bitter.
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I'd like to throw my 2 cents into this one.
I don't think Lineage 2 is a boring game at all, quite the opposite actually. I just started last night and got up to lvl 10. I'm not sure if I have ever had as much fun in a MMO as I did with my first 10 levels of Lineage 2. I didn't mind the farming 40 wolves or getting the orc and werewolf pieces because I had a blast doing it. Sure, I did get ganked a few times and I met some immature players, but I also met some nice players who killed the gankers for me and one even gave me some great buffs. The human starter town on the server Bartz (think that's what it's called) was very populated and I even met a few people that were new too.
I have played many, many MMO's before and have never played a game as much fun as Lineage 2. I always heard many complaints about Korean MMO's that they were "copies of Lineage 2." Well, now having played Lineage 2, I wish they were or I'd still be playing them (*cough* RF Online
). I was ready to give up on Eastern MMO's altogether until I experienced Lineage 2, and now I'm looking forward to the next generation of Eastern MMO's as well.
(Don't get me wrong, I love our western MMO's and am even playing EQ2 and CoH/V right now. It's just that I need something else to fill the void and L2 does that for me.)
There is a lot to say about people who try to talk you into something that doesnt grab you off the bat. Now, Now, b4 anyone starts jumping down my throat. I am not saying that L2 might not have great content later on int the game. What has to be taking into consideration is that the MMO industry is bigger then it ever has been worldwide. There are just simply to many variety of people playing for game designers of MMO to presume that people will still play through a game that doesnt catch them from the go.
"The easy and fun to learn but hard to master!" battle cry that all the MMO designers are bellowing out at the top of their lungs does hold true in alot of ways. This battle cry by no means mean we need to have more WOW clones (I would shoot myself it that is what it meant).
But what it does is help MMO designers focus more on fun and interactivity again instead of a never ending amount of crap loot and a whole lot of empty space with no content.
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Well, I don't think you are off the mark. It's just that if one is going to try a game that is geared toward a niche market I feel it's fair to understand what that game is about.
Of course people should not feel that they should continue in a game that they dont' like. That's a given. But you can't evaluate a game like L2 in the face of other games as L2 is not about "fun quests" and ease of use.
It's a brutal game. Heck, I think the developers even saw this as they have changed the dropping rules on a recent patch.
Leveling is easier than ever. Well, as compared to the initial launch.
But it is and will always be about pvp. Not just fighting but the politics. That is the game. And yes it is not for many people.
But that's like saying baseball is boring when compared to Hockey. Sure, Baseball is not for everyone but there is an elegance to the game that appeals to some.
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TBH First impressons of the game don't look too good, having empty areas do take the 'MM' out of MMO.. It looks a soild system tho, both click and arrow movements, thats good, a tutorial that speaks to you, very rare to find but always helpful..
I'll play it out the full trial myself, it's a shame I can't give it my full attention tho, hopfully I'll get to the 'good stuff' before it expires
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Lineage 2 is probally seen as the starting point of all shitty korean MMO's.
Basically every korean MMO clones each other and adds a different set of items, weapons, player models, ect
Please somone tell me what is fun about grinding your ass off for months to reach a level when you can finally do somthing? I really dont care how fun endgame might be, if it requires hundreds of hours of clicking bordem, its just NOT worth it.
I honestly never saw why people liked L2, and other korean titles. Theres around 1 or 2 weapons/armor pieces per 10 levels, theres litterally NO DIVERSITY in character customization, the quests are terrible, and the only thing that makes you different from other people is gear and the ability to click and press numbers. Whoever finds this enjoyable must have a slight case of autism.
Dont waste your time with korean MMO's, because in the end you'll realize how little fun you had and how much time youve wasted.
Don't like Korean MMO's? Good for you. When you post stupid shit like the above post though. Expect to be called on it. I swear I've read some truly stupid post in my time, but the above one takes the cake. Too stupid to realize that people taste are different.
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I love moronic comments like the ones quoted. Oh I hate this game so it must be something wrong with anyone else, that actually does enjoy it. Please get a clue. People are different. Just because you are too narrow minded to accept this. Doesn't mean we wish to hear your moronic babbling. "Don't waste your time with Korean MMO's?" The only thing thats a waste of time, is the stupidity you, and people like you use to fill the forums with your post.
Don't like Korean MMO's? Good for you. When you post stupid shit like the above post though. Expect to be called on it. I swear I've read some truly stupid post in my time, but the above one takes the cake. Too stupid to realize that people taste are different.
Im aware that people have different tastes, this is just my brutally honest opinion.
Also, if you do not think you should have to grind your way through (even though you don't have to, I have PvPed at level 1 with someone, also raids start at like level 20) I say wait until Interlude patch. There are things called Fortresses coming that are for smaller clans.
BTW, do not quit now, I know it may be a bit rough at first, I highly recommend you get to level 20-30 first and start to go to Dion and Giran whenever you need to go to town.
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Yes it does matter what level one reaches. If the op would have actually played for a reasonable amount of time, he would have seen that there are plenty of players around, they are at the higher level towns. Also, Close to all of the features DO start at a higher level, including the most important one, pvp. he didn't even make his first class change yet.also notice how he says korean MMO's don't have an AH. funny thing is, Lineage 2 DOES have an AH. its just not in the starter town, the only town he has been to. its like going to a theme park, walk trough the entrance, then walk right out without going into any of the rides, telling everybody how much it sucks.
Someone bring in a ref to do a 10 count. I think Darkchronic just got knocked the f*** out.
No, I'm still here, I'm also pretty sure this isn't a boxing match.
I didn't dispute the population thing, because when I played (some time last year, just before Chronicle 4, I think.) Teon was always full of people, even in the Dwarf starting areas, I saw many people, one guy even gave me expensive soulshots. The fact that all the good content starts at a high level isn't a good thing, at all, well, yeah, he hadn't made his class change, but from what I remember, it didn't really change much. The OP's point about an auction house seemed a bit odd, as L2 does have one, I never used it, so can't say anything about it.
I think the metaphor would go something like this: He walked into the theme park free, yet he saw that he'd have to crawl through 100 metres of turgid slime before reaching the rides, amazingly fantastic rides, rivalled by only a few other theme parks, which all have flaws themselves. He crawls through the first 10 metres, and either not knowing about the rides at the end, or thinking they're not worth it, he gives up.
Well, when was the last time you played, and did you got involved in clan politics? Because thats what the game is all about. the game DOES make a big turn. Once you reach level 20, you can start doing the seven sign quest, which is a lot of fun and gives you a nice boost in terms of equipment.
I do agree that a game should be fun right from the start, and your right, it IS a bad thing. but that is no reason to judge the ENTIRE game on the first few level's.
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I understand it can be fun to have free open PVP but alot of in-game people really take the game way too seriously, in the arena's you mostly have groups of players standing around talking about buffs and sexy dark elves, and when someone enters that they don't like or know, they kill him.
Most of the 'clan politics' I've seen is just a pathethic show of groups of people being angry at eachother and wanting to prove they're better, other than that there's not much reason to fight.
You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period.
I played lineage 2 for awhile, up to 30 i belive...the idea of the game was great but i agree it just isnt that great of a game. The only thing the game really has going for them, is the open pvp/castle sieges and such, but really that kind of stuff is only for the top lvls, which is extremely difficult to get to. While leveling, their is very little to do, their are quest, but they involved killing 100 somthing which is extremely ridiculous. And grinding is just a wash and repeat cycle, their is no strategy involved in casual lvling/grouping. The grind is also amazingly long, like someone said before both financially, and expirence.
This game is really only for those who can, and are determined to make it to the top, in other words The hardcore players. Once your up there though, their are the most amazing castle sieges iver ever seen in a game, and interesting pve raid bosses/dungeons.
You, and others like you that seem to have a hate on for this game, are the ONLY ones "talking shit". The rest of us are actually explaining what the game is about, calmly and politely, without putting anyone down.
That's what gets me about you people, you can sit here and be as childish as you want, rant and rave endlessly without a shred of proof or anything to back what you say up, you can spout off Koreans this and Koreans that and then you say we're the ones hating when all we're doing is using common sense and the experiences we've had.
Of course we're all entitled to our oppinions here but at the very least try to make some sort of sesen when talking out your ass, otherwise it's just shamefull really.
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