Well, when was the last time you played, and did you got involved in clan politics?
People keep talking about the 'amazing' clan politics but all I see when playing the game is a bunch of kids whining and threatening eachother when a member gets pked. I understand it can be fun to have free open PVP but alot of in-game people really take the game way too seriously, in the arena's you mostly have groups of players standing around talking about buffs and sexy dark elves, and when someone enters that they don't like or know, they kill him.
Most of the 'clan politics' I've seen is just a pathethic show of groups of people being angry at eachother and wanting to prove they're better, other than that there's not much reason to fight.
Well you obviously didn't see a lot then. clan politics will become much more then just shit talking, because clan politics actually influence the world of L2.
Originally posted by Orthosin gameloading is the most fanboy of korean games there is not one korean game he hates. Even before archlord was released he said how much of a GOD game it was. Lineage II is suck, id rather play EVE 24 hours straight non stop then play lineage II again for one minute, and I hate EVE with a passion. I only have one Damage spell with my mystic and im level 11?!
THis game is horrible and i think its worse then dark and light.
Read my posts before you open that mouth of yours, as I never said there is not one korean MMO I don't like, quite the oposite. but then again, I'm talking to coolguy20, who had to change accounts as soon as he realized people found him annoying because of the spamming
The only argument you have against me so far is calling me coolguy20, the guy above me is right you really do need to learn how to argue. Korean games get fun at the end. Really? Honestly? Because games are supposed to be about from begining to end. Lineage II is all about grinding some lame mobs with that wind ability till level 20 and im sure the game doesnt even dramatically change at 20.
So whats the use of the 14 day trial when i can never reach the fun of the game in 14 days?
Originally posted by shae Yet another bash post by Orthosin about a game he knows nothing about. I'm really not going to get into it, save for one or two points. 1) You get to lvl 10 in an evening in L2 now , you can get to none newbie areas in a few days and yes the new players areas will be sparse and that's actually a very, very good thing. L2 is an open pvp game, take that time to learn the game, understand the class you've chosen and get acclimated to your enironment because later their will be zero tolerance. If someone wants to fight you, they don't have to politely ask you to take up arms so you can have a go at it. There are no safe zones (except for inside cities) and yes it actually takes skill to PVP in L2. (which come to think of it, is probably a good reason why Orthosin couldn't play it). 2) Here's the kicker, L2 will not hold your hand. It's not a damned babysitting service and it's not going to ask you nicely to go here and then there, oh and don't forget to stop by that place. If you cannot handle a game that does NOT tell you where to go, what to do and when to do it, do not play L2. There's plenty of other MMO's that fit that bill and this is not one of them. 3) To enjoy L2 you must understand and appreciate it for what it truly is. An open ended, open PVP, clan based, castle seiging and sometimes raiding MMORPG. There is no one "end game" in L2, it is what you want it to be. Don't want to raid, NP, don't!, it's never going to set you back from those that do. Don't want to castle seige, NP, don't, because it's always your option to do so. That's it, period. Know what your playing. Go back to making your: "WoW is the glory of all MMO's" posts, I still couldn't take you seriously but at the least I could respect you for being a fan of a game you love, now your just making a fool of yourself.
Couldn't have said it better.
You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period.
Couldnt have said it better myself either. Sure there are clans who mostly pve but by far the majority of players play the game because of PvP. And now with some of the pre-notes for the next big update it looks the pvp gets better and better build in. Yes the grind can suck but at least i can say in this game that i am damn proud of what i have reached so far, eq2 and wow just gave everything on a silver platter.
And to the op thank you for critizing a game at level 10, you never left kindergarten in l2 so your opinion just sucks and is worthless. To those that want a challenge and most of all the best pvp possible in a game play l2, you will be suprised about the possiblities.
Originally posted by Orthosin gameloading is the most fanboy of korean games there is not one korean game he hates. Even before archlord was released he said how much of a GOD game it was. Lineage II is suck, id rather play EVE 24 hours straight non stop then play lineage II again for one minute, and I hate EVE with a passion. I only have one Damage spell with my mystic and im level 11?!
THis game is horrible and i think its worse then dark and light.
Read my posts before you open that mouth of yours, as I never said there is not one korean MMO I don't like, quite the oposite. but then again, I'm talking to coolguy20, who had to change accounts as soon as he realized people found him annoying because of the spamming
The only argument you have against me so far is calling me coolguy20, the guy above me is right you really do need to learn how to argue. Korean games get fun at the end. Really? Honestly? Because games are supposed to be about from begining to end. Lineage II is all about grinding some lame mobs with that wind ability till level 20 and im sure the game doesnt even dramatically change at 20.
So whats the use of the 14 day trial when i can never reach the fun of the game in 14 days?
Wow, now you even prove you can't even read a post correctly. that wasn't the only arguement, neither did I say the fun starts at the end. I recommend you actually READ the posts before you open that mouth of yours.
Actually I have no specific hate for L2, but there is a theme in American MMO's that seems to run from EQ to EQ2 to WoW to Vanguard... are these games are so similar as to be derivative...
Its the same way with Korean games, but they started with a shittier basis that EQ...
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Originally posted by Wolfenpride I played lineage 2 for awhile, up to 30 i belive...the idea of the game was great but i agree it just isnt that great of a game. The only thing the game really has going for them, is the open pvp/castle sieges and such, but really that kind of stuff is only for the top lvls, which is extremely difficult to get to. While leveling, their is very little to do, their are quest, but they involved killing 100 somthing which is extremely ridiculous. And grinding is just a wash and repeat cycle, their is no strategy involved in casual lvling/grouping. The grind is also amazingly long, like someone said before both financially, and expirence. This game is really only for those who can, and are determined to make it to the top, in other words The hardcore players. Once your up there though, their are the most amazing castle sieges iver ever seen in a game, and interesting pve raid bosses/dungeons.
This quote is what is spot on.
This game is for people who are a bit obsessive and a bit "eye on the prize"
I remember one siege, probably the best siege I ever attended, where I actually invited friends over to see it. This was a huge deal as many alliances wanted us out of our castle. I remember signing in and seeing everyone getting ready and thinking "wow", you jsut don't get this with other games.
Sieges matter in this game. Clan wars matter in this game. This game has horrible quests and should be fun from square one. No arguement there (though when the game first started you had more people who were low lvl/more new people and so all the "drama" started in the new player areas.
But if you want a game that gives you things to do and gives you purpose this just isn't it. And I can "more" than understand why people wouldn't like it. It really isn't for everyone. But it is exceptionally beautiful and epic. Our major Raid bosses are extremely hard to take down. The raids take hours and can only be done with a lot of organization and planning.
And it does take conviction. In a way that is good. I do not begrudge anyone who likes games such as WoW or EQ2 or Guildwars (which I think is very beautiful by the way) because they are very fun and you can get to good stuff relatively quickly.
But L2 is really for people with conviction. Sure there are cheaters, but please, there are cheaters in wow, one of the most user friendly games ever. So obviously there is something else at work with these people.
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You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period. Couldn't have said it better.
So, you're admitting that there's absolutely no point to the boring, excruciatingly, dull, repetitive grind from 1-70. "The PVE portion of the game sucks. The game isn't any fun at all until you reach max levels. No one plays the game for the PVE, they play it for the PVP". Wow! What a great game! If the game is only about the PVP then why does the game make you grind for months before you can actually PVP? If all I want is PVP, how about I just go play Starsiege Tribes and skip shelling out monthly fees to play through the PVE portion of a game that even the game's defenders admit sucks.
Originally posted by Sturmrabe Actually I have no specific hate for L2, but there is a theme in American MMO's that seems to run from EQ to EQ2 to WoW to Vanguard... are these games are so similar as to be derivative... Its the same way with Korean games, but they started with a shittier basis that EQ...
They are shittier from your point of view, which is fine but I'm sorry, your rule is not law and again, millions of people world wide would dissagree with you.
Myself and the others here that have trying to say that you just simply cannot judge a game like L2 on it's first 10 levels, which works out to perhaps 2 hours of game play and a minimal amount of reading and then go on to rant about how bad it is and it's the seed of all horrible Korean games...
I mean c'mon people... this is not rocket science, I'm by far not the brightest girl in the world and even I can see the common sense pretty easily. Not a single one of us has said L2 is for everyone, because it's not, it's really, really not. By all means, if your not having fun, don't play it, why would you but to go around judging the game on a 1 or 2 hours of play time. That's just ignorant and it makes no sense.
You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period. Couldn't have said it better.
So, you're admitting that there's absolutely no point to the boring, excruciatingly, dull, repetitive grind from 1-70. "The PVE portion of the game sucks. The game isn't any fun at all until you reach max levels. No one plays the game for the PVE, they play it for the PVP". Wow! What a great game! If the game is only about the PVP then why does the game make you grind for months before you can actually PVP? If all I want is PVP, how about I just go play Starsiege Tribes and skip shelling out monthly fees to play through the PVE portion of a game that even the game's defenders admit sucks.
Almost.
There are mid lvl clans and alliances that have their own interactions. So you can easily get to this point in your levleing career and enjoy yourself.
Also, there are the new academies which give huge incentives for clans and alliances to invite lower lvl people and help them get to lvl 40.
But yeah, you need to be steadfast. Like I said above, not for eveyrone and it's completely understandable.
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I finally hit the grind and im feeling it. I'm level 18 and i can say that i started to get bored, but thats because i wasnt really questing. I began questing and picking up rewards pretty fast and i was able to buy weapons and armor with the rewards. So im still working at this. Im still steadfast and not giving up yet lol.
You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period. Couldn't have said it better.
So, you're admitting that there's absolutely no point to the boring, excruciatingly, dull, repetitive grind from 1-70. "The PVE portion of the game sucks. The game isn't any fun at all until you reach max levels. No one plays the game for the PVE, they play it for the PVP". Wow! What a great game! If the game is only about the PVP then why does the game make you grind for months before you can actually PVP? If all I want is PVP, how about I just go play Starsiege Tribes and skip shelling out monthly fees to play through the PVE portion of a game that even the game's defenders admit sucks.
Nobody ever claimed the PVE part was the strongest part, but it has been increased significly over the years. especialy the grouping part of Lineage 2 has been improved, and its a lot of fun now. PVP is still the main focus of the game, and the PVP is heavy related to the PVE part of the game.
Originally posted by MajorBiggs I finally hit the grind and im feeling it. I'm level 18 and i can say that i started to get bored, but thats because i wasnt really questing. I began questing and picking up rewards pretty fast and i was able to buy weapons and armor with the rewards. So im still working at this. Im still steadfast and not giving up yet lol.
If I can make a suggestion MB. Find a clan, or at least start looking for one, around lvl 20. There's no getting around the fact that it's a tough road to 60+ but the fun factor goes up 100x with the right clan and friends.
Do you mind sharring what server your on and character name, I still have many, many friends that play, I'd be happy to help you find a well matched group of folks to play with.
and gameloading you have no opionion. You are the biggest hypocrite, you dont want any one to bash your opionion but you bash other peoples opionions when you they talk bad about your precious korean mmos.
Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy.
Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy. Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
I seemed to have had a different experience with L2 than some of the posters here (of course, this was over 2 years ago, so maybe things have changed a bit)
Back then, (pre C1) I ground my Silver Ranger up solo to level 51. (yes, I know, not a group friendly class) It was ok, but faced with the prospect of levels 52-75...it seemed insurrmountable to a more casual player (about 20-25 hrs a week). Back then, 70 was the cap I believe, and some folks (according to legend) were grinding 10-12 hours a day to make a 5% exp gain.
Not sure where the great PvP was either. Whenever I went on Castle Sieges I found myself being one-shotted by my fellow SR's, and there was the always fun ganking by reds in deep dungeon instances costing me my hard earned exp. Open pvp actually seemed to be discouraged because one screw up could flip you red...forcing you to flee for your life before you lost all your gear.
I was in a good clan as well, which was a plus and a minus. When we were neutral, things went pretty well, but once we drew the ire of one of the larger alliances, we suddenly were gank bait in the dungeons with no way to really fight back.. (we were all level 50-60) against the 65-70's that we found there waiting to take us down.
So in the end, I moved on to other games. Obviously, it appeals to many people, and bashing it after playing 10 or 20 levels is silly. So, if you don't care for it... find another game to play... no reason to troll here in your free time.
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Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy. Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Again, your points have been addressed (politely), over and over again in this thread. The truth is, you don't want to discuss them, and it's obvious you don't care what anyone else says. Honestly, that's fine, I'm not going to say, your oppinion sucks becase a) I'm not a child and my point of view doesn't need to detoriate to that level and b) No one here has said L2 is for everyone.
That's what you can't seem to, or rather, don't want to see. And again, thats ok, your entitiled to your oppinion. My first post this thread pointed out the facts to your statements and they still stand, everything you mentioned could not be further then the truth and again, you just refuse to see it objectively in any shape, way or faschion.
Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy. Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Again, your points have been addressed (politely), over and over again in this thread. The truth is, you don't want to discuss them, and it's obvious you don't care what anyone else says. Honestly, that's fine, I'm not going to say, your oppinion sucks becase a) I'm not a child and my point of view doesn't need to detoriate to that level and b) No one here has said L2 is for everyone.
That's what you can't seem to, or rather, don't want to see. And again, thats ok, your entitiled to your oppinion. My first post this thread pointed out the facts to your statements and they still stand, everything you mentioned could not be further then the truth and again, you just refuse to see it objectively in any shape, way or faschion.
You have no facts. Lineage II is not fun, now that is a fact.
Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy. Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Again, your points have been addressed (politely), over and over again in this thread. The truth is, you don't want to discuss them, and it's obvious you don't care what anyone else says. Honestly, that's fine, I'm not going to say, your oppinion sucks becase a) I'm not a child and my point of view doesn't need to detoriate to that level and b) No one here has said L2 is for everyone.
That's what you can't seem to, or rather, don't want to see. And again, thats ok, your entitiled to your oppinion. My first post this thread pointed out the facts to your statements and they still stand, everything you mentioned could not be further then the truth and again, you just refuse to see it objectively in any shape, way or faschion.
You have no facts. Lineage II is not fun, now that is a fact.
No, no no. It's not fun for you. Fine, no problem there. Myself and millions of other people have had a wonderful time playing L2. That is fact, yours is opinion.
You seem to be having a hard time telling the two appart and I feel for you. Help is on the way.
Originally posted by Orthosin and gameloading you have no opionion. You are the biggest hypocrite, you dont want any one to bash your opionion but you bash other peoples opionions when you they talk bad about your precious korean mmos.
I bash opinions that are based on little experience and should not be taken seriously. I always make sure I PLAY the game for a reasonable amount of time before I post a topic, and if I didn't play it for a reasonable amount of time, then I make sure I mention that and that the opinion is based on limited experience.
you on the other hand are nothing more then a troll, as you have proven by every topic you made. why you still aren't banned is a mystery to me, I was under the impression having 2 accounts was against the rules?
Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy. Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Give me a call when you find the first FPS that allows castle sieges with over 300 people.
just give it up troll. no matter how hard you try, your going to "lose" this debate anyway. Me and Shae played Lineage 2 for a good amount of time. you didn't even made it out of the starter town.
Originally posted by Orthosin and gameloading you have no opionion. You are the biggest hypocrite, you dont want any one to bash your opionion but you bash other peoples opionions when you they talk bad about your precious korean mmos.
I bash opinions that are based on little experience and should not be taken seriously. I always make sure I PLAY the game for a reasonable amount of time before I post a topic, and if I didn't play it for a reasonable amount of time, then I make sure I mention that and that the opinion is based on limited experience.
you on the other hand are nothing more then a troll, as you have proven by every topic you made. why you still aren't banned is a mystery to me, I was under the impression having 2 accounts was against the rules?
Sounds like to me you are about to cry because iam bashing your korean mmo, QQ nub. Maybe you should be banned for bashing every ones post when they try to post something negative about a game. Lineage II does not deserve to be around any more. I have had experence with lineage II i played up to 10 now whats the difference between level 10 and the looooong grind to 74? when end game everything changes. There is no difference.
So ive had about as much experence with this game as some one who is one level away from end game.
Originally posted by Orthosin I pray to god every night that he will strike down lineage II and all other korean mmos and their fanatics.
So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy. Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Give me a call when you find the first FPS that allows castle sieges with over 300 people.
just give it up troll. no matter how hard you try, your going to "lose" this debate anyway. Me and Shae played Lineage 2 for a good amount of time. you didn't even made it out of the starter town.
Is that all you can do in lineage II end game is doing the same castle sieges over and over? That seems like the only high point of this game. Like i said why leave the starter area? If the starter area is the same as the rest of the game till you hit end game. Click, point, kill, grind on the next mob.
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I understand it can be fun to have free open PVP but alot of in-game people really take the game way too seriously, in the arena's you mostly have groups of players standing around talking about buffs and sexy dark elves, and when someone enters that they don't like or know, they kill him.
Most of the 'clan politics' I've seen is just a pathethic show of groups of people being angry at eachother and wanting to prove they're better, other than that there's not much reason to fight.
Well you obviously didn't see a lot then. clan politics will become much more then just shit talking, because clan politics actually influence the world of L2.
The only argument you have against me so far is calling me coolguy20, the guy above me is right you really do need to learn how to argue. Korean games get fun at the end. Really? Honestly? Because games are supposed to be about from begining to end. Lineage II is all about grinding some lame mobs with that wind ability till level 20 and im sure the game doesnt even dramatically change at 20.
So whats the use of the 14 day trial when i can never reach the fun of the game in 14 days?
You don't play Lineage II to PvE, you play it to PvP. Sure, the grind sucks, but it's the PvP that makes Lineage II one of the best games. Lineage II is a game that starts at higher levels, period.
Couldnt have said it better myself either. Sure there are clans who mostly pve but by far the majority of players play the game because of PvP. And now with some of the pre-notes for the next big update it looks the pvp gets better and better build in. Yes the grind can suck but at least i can say in this game that i am damn proud of what i have reached so far, eq2 and wow just gave everything on a silver platter.
And to the op thank you for critizing a game at level 10, you never left kindergarten in l2 so your opinion just sucks and is worthless. To those that want a challenge and most of all the best pvp possible in a game play l2, you will be suprised about the possiblities.
The only argument you have against me so far is calling me coolguy20, the guy above me is right you really do need to learn how to argue. Korean games get fun at the end. Really? Honestly? Because games are supposed to be about from begining to end. Lineage II is all about grinding some lame mobs with that wind ability till level 20 and im sure the game doesnt even dramatically change at 20.
So whats the use of the 14 day trial when i can never reach the fun of the game in 14 days?
Wow, now you even prove you can't even read a post correctly. that wasn't the only arguement, neither did I say the fun starts at the end. I recommend you actually READ the posts before you open that mouth of yours.
Actually I have no specific hate for L2, but there is a theme in American MMO's that seems to run from EQ to EQ2 to WoW to Vanguard... are these games are so similar as to be derivative...
Its the same way with Korean games, but they started with a shittier basis that EQ...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
This quote is what is spot on.
This game is for people who are a bit obsessive and a bit "eye on the prize"
I remember one siege, probably the best siege I ever attended, where I actually invited friends over to see it. This was a huge deal as many alliances wanted us out of our castle. I remember signing in and seeing everyone getting ready and thinking "wow", you jsut don't get this with other games.
Sieges matter in this game. Clan wars matter in this game. This game has horrible quests and should be fun from square one. No arguement there (though when the game first started you had more people who were low lvl/more new people and so all the "drama" started in the new player areas.
But if you want a game that gives you things to do and gives you purpose this just isn't it. And I can "more" than understand why people wouldn't like it. It really isn't for everyone. But it is exceptionally beautiful and epic. Our major Raid bosses are extremely hard to take down. The raids take hours and can only be done with a lot of organization and planning.
And it does take conviction. In a way that is good. I do not begrudge anyone who likes games such as WoW or EQ2 or Guildwars (which I think is very beautiful by the way) because they are very fun and you can get to good stuff relatively quickly.
But L2 is really for people with conviction. Sure there are cheaters, but please, there are cheaters in wow, one of the most user friendly games ever. So obviously there is something else at work with these people.
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So, you're admitting that there's absolutely no point to the boring, excruciatingly, dull, repetitive grind from 1-70. "The PVE portion of the game sucks. The game isn't any fun at all until you reach max levels. No one plays the game for the PVE, they play it for the PVP". Wow! What a great game! If the game is only about the PVP then why does the game make you grind for months before you can actually PVP? If all I want is PVP, how about I just go play Starsiege Tribes and skip shelling out monthly fees to play through the PVE portion of a game that even the game's defenders admit sucks.
They are shittier from your point of view, which is fine but I'm sorry, your rule is not law and again, millions of people world wide would dissagree with you.
Myself and the others here that have trying to say that you just simply cannot judge a game like L2 on it's first 10 levels, which works out to perhaps 2 hours of game play and a minimal amount of reading and then go on to rant about how bad it is and it's the seed of all horrible Korean games...
I mean c'mon people... this is not rocket science, I'm by far not the brightest girl in the world and even I can see the common sense pretty easily. Not a single one of us has said L2 is for everyone, because it's not, it's really, really not. By all means, if your not having fun, don't play it, why would you but to go around judging the game on a 1 or 2 hours of play time. That's just ignorant and it makes no sense.
That's all we're trying to say.
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Almost.
There are mid lvl clans and alliances that have their own interactions. So you can easily get to this point in your levleing career and enjoy yourself.
Also, there are the new academies which give huge incentives for clans and alliances to invite lower lvl people and help them get to lvl 40.
But yeah, you need to be steadfast. Like I said above, not for eveyrone and it's completely understandable.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Nobody ever claimed the PVE part was the strongest part, but it has been increased significly over the years. especialy the grouping part of Lineage 2 has been improved, and its a lot of fun now. PVP is still the main focus of the game, and the PVP is heavy related to the PVE part of the game.
If I can make a suggestion MB. Find a clan, or at least start looking for one, around lvl 20. There's no getting around the fact that it's a tough road to 60+ but the fun factor goes up 100x with the right clan and friends.
Do you mind sharring what server your on and character name, I still have many, many friends that play, I'd be happy to help you find a well matched group of folks to play with.
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So basically what your saying here is that when all your points have been rebuted (politely), when you've been proven a bitter child who really hasn't played the game and when you can no longer form together an oppinion that makes sense... your basically just going to with crazy.
Thanks for proving your OP was as full of it as you are Orthosin.
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When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
I seemed to have had a different experience with L2 than some of the posters here (of course, this was over 2 years ago, so maybe things have changed a bit)
Back then, (pre C1) I ground my Silver Ranger up solo to level 51. (yes, I know, not a group friendly class) It was ok, but faced with the prospect of levels 52-75...it seemed insurrmountable to a more casual player (about 20-25 hrs a week). Back then, 70 was the cap I believe, and some folks (according to legend) were grinding 10-12 hours a day to make a 5% exp gain.
Not sure where the great PvP was either. Whenever I went on Castle Sieges I found myself being one-shotted by my fellow SR's, and there was the always fun ganking by reds in deep dungeon instances costing me my hard earned exp. Open pvp actually seemed to be discouraged because one screw up could flip you red...forcing you to flee for your life before you lost all your gear.
I was in a good clan as well, which was a plus and a minus. When we were neutral, things went pretty well, but once we drew the ire of one of the larger alliances, we suddenly were gank bait in the dungeons with no way to really fight back.. (we were all level 50-60) against the 65-70's that we found there waiting to take us down.
So in the end, I moved on to other games. Obviously, it appeals to many people, and bashing it after playing 10 or 20 levels is silly. So, if you don't care for it... find another game to play... no reason to troll here in your free time.
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When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Again, your points have been addressed (politely), over and over again in this thread. The truth is, you don't want to discuss them, and it's obvious you don't care what anyone else says. Honestly, that's fine, I'm not going to say, your oppinion sucks becase a) I'm not a child and my point of view doesn't need to detoriate to that level and b) No one here has said L2 is for everyone.
That's what you can't seem to, or rather, don't want to see. And again, thats ok, your entitiled to your oppinion. My first post this thread pointed out the facts to your statements and they still stand, everything you mentioned could not be further then the truth and again, you just refuse to see it objectively in any shape, way or faschion.
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PLZ CHOSE THE MEH FOR SPELB0rNe BETAZ KTHKXGUDBYE
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Again, your points have been addressed (politely), over and over again in this thread. The truth is, you don't want to discuss them, and it's obvious you don't care what anyone else says. Honestly, that's fine, I'm not going to say, your oppinion sucks becase a) I'm not a child and my point of view doesn't need to detoriate to that level and b) No one here has said L2 is for everyone.
That's what you can't seem to, or rather, don't want to see. And again, thats ok, your entitiled to your oppinion. My first post this thread pointed out the facts to your statements and they still stand, everything you mentioned could not be further then the truth and again, you just refuse to see it objectively in any shape, way or faschion.
You have no facts. Lineage II is not fun, now that is a fact.
No, no no. It's not fun for you. Fine, no problem there. Myself and millions of other people have had a wonderful time playing L2. That is fact, yours is opinion.
You seem to be having a hard time telling the two appart and I feel for you. Help is on the way.
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I bash opinions that are based on little experience and should not be taken seriously. I always make sure I PLAY the game for a reasonable amount of time before I post a topic, and if I didn't play it for a reasonable amount of time, then I make sure I mention that and that the opinion is based on limited experience.
you on the other hand are nothing more then a troll, as you have proven by every topic you made. why you still aren't banned is a mystery to me, I was under the impression having 2 accounts was against the rules?
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Give me a call when you find the first FPS that allows castle sieges with over 300 people.
just give it up troll. no matter how hard you try, your going to "lose" this debate anyway. Me and Shae played Lineage 2 for a good amount of time. you didn't even made it out of the starter town.
I bash opinions that are based on little experience and should not be taken seriously. I always make sure I PLAY the game for a reasonable amount of time before I post a topic, and if I didn't play it for a reasonable amount of time, then I make sure I mention that and that the opinion is based on limited experience.
you on the other hand are nothing more then a troll, as you have proven by every topic you made. why you still aren't banned is a mystery to me, I was under the impression having 2 accounts was against the rules?
Sounds like to me you are about to cry because iam bashing your korean mmo, QQ nub. Maybe you should be banned for bashing every ones post when they try to post something negative about a game. Lineage II does not deserve to be around any more. I have had experence with lineage II i played up to 10 now whats the difference between level 10 and the looooong grind to 74? when end game everything changes. There is no difference.
So ive had about as much experence with this game as some one who is one level away from end game.
When a game demands that you must do long periods of termendiously boring grinds, crappy PVE quest, 0 customization i mean counter-strike has more customization then lineage II. Whats the point of even getting to end game? SO i can do some PVP that i can do in a FPS for free? So i can fight 100 other clones. No your opionion sucks and games like lineage II do not deserve to be around.
Give me a call when you find the first FPS that allows castle sieges with over 300 people.
just give it up troll. no matter how hard you try, your going to "lose" this debate anyway. Me and Shae played Lineage 2 for a good amount of time. you didn't even made it out of the starter town.
Is that all you can do in lineage II end game is doing the same castle sieges over and over? That seems like the only high point of this game. Like i said why leave the starter area? If the starter area is the same as the rest of the game till you hit end game. Click, point, kill, grind on the next mob.