actually the hard empirical research, conducted by a reputable social science research institute for a number of MMORPG producers (Sony, EA, etc) shows that 15% of all gamers are female, with an estimated 5% of female gamers deliberately not declaring their gender in surveys
Originally posted by Coldhaert I have had 3 cases where i knowe its a girl that uses here gender to get gold items and influence in a game. Females dont like violance and thats why they ar not attracted to MMO's (exept the Sims) If there where more mmo's about romance, dressing and fluffyness you would see more femails. And on a side note about sexist remarks. Its a sexist remak to say that you want post photos of yourself becose men will drool over them. Even more so when you say all or most males are perverts. My wife playes MMO's and out of expiriance i can tell you that gifts ar flying around her head. So in a way you can be sure that unknowingly you have the advantage over men. i agree that sex sels but it gows both ways
First of all let me make this perfectly clear to you... I have never stated ANYWHERE in my posts that "all or most men are perverts" (sorry if I hit on a soft spot). I don't know where you saw that written, but it surely wasn't in one of my posts... so get your facts straight before you start pointing your finger and putting words in someone else's mouth. Trust me Coldhaert you were not victimized here, so stop acting like you were... at least not by me anyway...
And the remark that I made about drool... you are wrong again... I never said MEN, it was a general statement. Personally, I don't think that ANYONE needs to be posting pics of themselves online, it simply isn't a good practice. Would you want your son or daughter (if you had one) posting pics of themself online? There are plenty of weirdos online and they're not all men dear...
I like to play MMOs and have never complained about the violence, the ONLY thing that I complain about is the seemingly large volume of immaturity and the sexism within the communities. I don't give a rat's behind what people look like in real life, I just want to play a game without feeling self-conscious about having my breasts, ass and genitalia hanging out....
15% sure so this is still 1.5 in 10? where the .5 = an assumption?
Its like i sed some women like the violance in the games others dont. Thats why i played with lil cars and gurls play with a dol. But some do play with cares and other boys might play with a doll
Mystique read what you ar saying about your photograph and ppl who might look at it then you will see what assumption i can make. Eather you ar feminist or you hate yourself. Its perfectly normal for a guild to have a irl pick tread on there forums so dont give me the crap about kids jerking off at your godly photo.
About immature community; In every mmo i have played there isent 1 that i can name where i could not finde a guild or playerbase that would support a mature inviroment. Ok i'm male but i often play a female chars becose i dont like to look at a male char for more then 500+h
And if you have a guild who makes fun of other guildies i just have to say that you pickt the wrong guild.
So i understand you girls/women/xx but i'm just saying that sex sels also gows the other way around.
God damn you will not tell me that a nice pice of manly ass isent nice in your eyes
Originally posted by Coldhaert Its perfectly normal for a guild to have a irl pick tread on there forums so dont give me the crap about kids jerking off at your godly photo. God damn you will not tell me that a nice pice of manly ass isent nice in your eyes
On second thought, after seeing the "real" you finally come out into the open, perhaps you actually are a pervert after all...
Its like i sed some women like the violance in the games others dont.
Actually no you didn't, you said:
Females dont like violance and thats why they ar not attracted to MMO's (exept the Sims)
(sorry for the crap english i'm from belgium )
I have no problems with your 'crap english' I have a problem with your crap attitude.
Its a simple fact that there are less female players then male ones.
and that somehow makes it ok to treat us as lesser beings or as objects?
I have had 3 cases where i knowe its a girl that uses here gender to get gold items and influence in a game.
A whopping three out of the millions of people who play MMO's huh? I guess you really are an expert after all so when you say ...
Some give a darn about there appearance and others get picks form porn sites to deceive the male players.
you obviously are correct because you know so much about the female gamer :rolleyes:
Its a sexist remak to say that you want post photos of yourself becose men will drool over them. Even more so when you say all or most males are perverts.
Except that she never said that, you did.
I really think you should just stop now while you still can Coldhaert. Backtracking your own words and stating that others are saying things that they haven't only reflects badly on you and proves our point better than we ever can.
Don't worry, I'm done with Coldhaert. If he could even remotely have a decent debate without contradiciting himself, injecting words into others posts, and going way off base on what has been said, then I might consider it worth my time.
As far as immature gamers making sexist remarks(or any other kind you might find offensive) there's an ignore button. If there's an MMO with out one, I've never heard of it. It's a huge waste of possibly 3 or more peoples time if you do anything else.
And for the busty slim waisted perfect female avatars, thats what people like to see, but than again in many games, there's options. Proud of your small stature and extra weight(man or woman)? Good for you! Roll up a dwarf, stick an axe in someone and do the Truffle Shuffle.
Some people need a bit more sense and a bit less sensetivity.
They came from the sea and they came from the sky, Captain America is going to die!
getting kinda hot no, eh? I dont think debating ever makes the other part change his/her mind, because peoples are generally to stubborn to even listen to the counterpart. and that includes all of you, even me
Originally posted by Calisto_GG Don't worry, I'm done with Coldhaert. If he could even remotely have a decent debate without contradiciting himself, injecting words into others posts, and going way off base on what has been said, then I might consider it worth my time.
You even prove that you are sexist/feminist with the sites in your sig! Female clans, Guilds? Whats that all about!
I yet have to meet a guild who defines itself with male only guild.
The hypocrisy is obvious you ar making thows guilds becose of 13 year old buggers/retards who whisper you "sybzor plx kk?"
Whats the use of debating with a feminist over sexist problems in MMO's ?
Oh and Calisto_GG;
A guild from your favored site
Dig this : http://awpgirls.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 read the rules and tell me they ar not feminist and tell me where the sexisme is? You support it! You ar fighting somting by creating gettos and i'm sure you can see that noting good comes from gettos.
Coldhaert, if you even read anything on my site, you'd clearly see that I promote gaming, not genders. While I support female gamers, I have and will always say that I think the best clans/guilds are people who play well together and get along, no matter if they are male and female. So you can take that finger you are attempting to point at me and put it somewhere else.
Looks like someone had some free time on his hands, eh? The entire thought of this article is ridiculous, and off base. MANY MMOs aren't centered around a "perfect" male or female character, unless you make it so. Unless you limit your gaming experience to 10% of the entire market, you already know what I'm referring to.
With many cases, the games in question simply don't have much depth at all in character customization, so they provide an AVERAGE representation of the FICTIONAL race(s) in question. You seem to forget about the other side of the coin, on this end of your pathetic article, Jon. There are just as few games which sport Muscle bound chiselled steroid-infused body building men and women as there are fat slobs. Get over yourself, and get to the gym before you write your next article. Maybe once you're feeling better about your body, you can stop questioning the creations of FANTASY based worlds in FANTASY games.
Somehow, I just can't get into pixellated avatars so this argument just goes over my head. Due to the anomynity of the internet, I have no idea who I am playing with regardless of the gender of their generated character. My classification is limited to good player/bad player.
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First of all let me make this perfectly clear to you... I have never stated ANYWHERE in my posts that "all or most men are perverts" (sorry if I hit on a soft spot). I don't know where you saw that written, but it surely wasn't in one of my posts... so get your facts straight before you start pointing your finger and putting words in someone else's mouth. Trust me Coldhaert you were not victimized here, so stop acting like you were... at least not by me anyway...
And the remark that I made about drool... you are wrong again... I never said MEN, it was a general statement. Personally, I don't think that ANYONE needs to be posting pics of themselves online, it simply isn't a good practice. Would you want your son or daughter (if you had one) posting pics of themself online? There are plenty of weirdos online and they're not all men dear...
I like to play MMOs and have never complained about the violence, the ONLY thing that I complain about is the seemingly large volume of immaturity and the sexism within the communities. I don't give a rat's behind what people look like in real life, I just want to play a game without feeling self-conscious about having my breasts, ass and genitalia hanging out....
15% sure so this is still 1.5 in 10? where the .5 = an assumption?
Its like i sed some women like the violance in the games others dont. Thats why i played with lil cars and gurls play with a dol. But some do play with cares and other boys might play with a doll
Mystique read what you ar saying about your photograph and ppl who might look at it then you will see what assumption i can make. Eather you ar feminist or you hate yourself. Its perfectly normal for a guild to have a irl pick tread on there forums so dont give me the crap about kids jerking off at your godly photo.
About immature community; In every mmo i have played there isent 1 that i can name where i could not finde a guild or playerbase that would support a mature inviroment. Ok i'm male but i often play a female chars becose i dont like to look at a male char for more then 500+h
And if you have a guild who makes fun of other guildies i just have to say that you pickt the wrong guild.
So i understand you girls/women/xx but i'm just saying that sex sels also gows the other way around.
God damn you will not tell me that a nice pice of manly ass isent nice in your eyes
So quit the holly er then thow cinemathics.
(sorry for the crap english i'm from belgium )
On second thought, after seeing the "real" you finally come out into the open, perhaps you actually are a pervert after all...
I never said anything about J***ing-off, YOU did.
End of conversation weirdo...
I have no problems with your 'crap english' I have a problem with your crap attitude.
and that somehow makes it ok to treat us as lesser beings or as objects?
A whopping three out of the millions of people who play MMO's huh? I guess you really are an expert after all so when you say ... you obviously are correct because you know so much about the female gamer :rolleyes:
Except that she never said that, you did.I really think you should just stop now while you still can Coldhaert. Backtracking your own words and stating that others are saying things that they haven't only reflects badly on you and proves our point better than we ever can.
GamingGirls.net
Well not mutsh to prove there.
Its fact that there ar not mutsh women playing and the ones that do play get an advantage becose of there sex.
Dont turn it in to a sexist fight cos now days your sex isent an excuse ennymore... .
that didn't even make sense and in no way follows what has been said. Nice try though, didn't work.
GamingGirls.net
Careful folks. this is getting close going up in flames.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Don't worry, I'm done with Coldhaert. If he could even remotely have a decent debate without contradiciting himself, injecting words into others posts, and going way off base on what has been said, then I might consider it worth my time.
GamingGirls.net
And for the busty slim waisted perfect female avatars, thats what people like to see, but than again in many games, there's options. Proud of your small stature and extra weight(man or woman)? Good for you! Roll up a dwarf, stick an axe in someone and do the Truffle Shuffle.
Some people need a bit more sense and a bit less sensetivity.
They came from the sea and they came from the sky, Captain America is going to die!
getting kinda hot no, eh? I dont think debating ever makes the other part change his/her mind, because peoples are generally to stubborn to even listen to the counterpart. and that includes all of you, even me
sorry, i meant "now", not "no"
You even prove that you are sexist/feminist with the sites in your sig! Female clans, Guilds? Whats that all about!
I yet have to meet a guild who defines itself with male only guild.
The hypocrisy is obvious you ar making thows guilds becose of 13 year old buggers/retards who whisper you "sybzor plx kk?"
Whats the use of debating with a feminist over sexist problems in MMO's ?
Oh and Calisto_GG;
A guild from your favored site
Dig this : http://awpgirls.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14 read the rules and tell me they ar not feminist and tell me where the sexisme is? You support it! You ar fighting somting by creating gettos and i'm sure you can see that noting good comes from gettos.
So who digs who here?
I agree with you but sometimes I get carried away by hypocracy of some ppl
Coldhaert, if you even read anything on my site, you'd clearly see that I promote gaming, not genders. While I support female gamers, I have and will always say that I think the best clans/guilds are people who play well together and get along, no matter if they are male and female. So you can take that finger you are attempting to point at me and put it somewhere else.
GamingGirls.net
Looks like someone had some free time on his hands, eh? The entire thought of this article is ridiculous, and off base. MANY MMOs aren't centered around a "perfect" male or female character, unless you make it so. Unless you limit your gaming experience to 10% of the entire market, you already know what I'm referring to.
With many cases, the games in question simply don't have much depth at all in character customization, so they provide an AVERAGE representation of the FICTIONAL race(s) in question. You seem to forget about the other side of the coin, on this end of your pathetic article, Jon. There are just as few games which sport Muscle bound chiselled steroid-infused body building men and women as there are fat slobs. Get over yourself, and get to the gym before you write your next article. Maybe once you're feeling better about your body, you can stop questioning the creations of FANTASY based worlds in FANTASY games.