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My Rant @ Starting New In EvE
RebornDragon
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It is way too late to start playing EvE. These people who say you only need 2-4 million SP to do something make me laugh. Yah, 2-4 million SP to fly an assault frigate/inty [b]decently[/b] with some t2 weapons, o0o0o. It takes 1.25million (about) SP to get cruiser 5 alone. In order to fly the t2 cruiser you then need a bunch of other level 5 skills plus gunnery skills to level 5 and so forth for t2 weapons, waaaaaay more then 2-4million skill points, and that's just for cruisers, not talking about battle cruiser and battleships and so on. But hey, if you like being the first to die in every engagement because 9 time out of 10 tacklers (99% of the time are frigates, unless of course you are blob ganking, which btw will be the only thing you can do till you have those 10's of millions of SP is tackling) get targeted first, then cruisers, blah blah blah, not pretty in the end for you till you have millions upon millions of SP.
Then how are you going to pay for these t2 ships/t2 mods? Mining? Ah, there's another million upon million sp investment that takes even more time. And lets face it, unless you're in an alliance in 0.0 with people willing to baby-sit you while you mine or have the SP and a ship able to kill the spawns...it will take a very long time to make the money you need mining in high sec. Or you can make them (which requires million upon millions of SP spent in industry plus material research and production research (which both take a long time) on the blueprint which alone costs 100's of million of isk, if not a billion or more), which still requires you to either mine all the minerals or buy them, which again, how you getting the money? Ah, the repetitive mission you do over and over, which, until you get to level III missions with good skills with a battle cruiser or a battleship the money is pitiful, and don't forget to thank CCP for making it extremely easy to get ganked while doing missions in low sec and 0.0 now.
The people who started at launch love the game, those starting new can't stand it (ok maybe not all), but I am willing to bet out of every 100 new people 90 of them leave. That is why you don't see the game shooting drastically up, the game is so painful towards newbie’s. No matter how good they keep making the tutorial, the game will always be painful to newbie’s. Also, one of the only reasons it's getting awards from this site and so on is because it is hugely advertised on their site. If WoW actually put on its front page for WoW'ers to go vote their favorite game it would have won every single category and be #1 replacing EvE easily.
I am not even going to get into the lag.
EvE is a sick joke to anyone starting new. I would not advise it unless you have the patients of a rock and then some.
All this coming from someone who's been play for just over a year. Character Date of Birth 2005.12.16. I am just sick of the fan bois painting such a 'wonderful' picture and saying you 'only need 2-4million sp!!!11one'
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WOW you obviously actuaslly dont play eve. ALOT of new playters are starting to play the game now and anyway 80-90% leave most mmorpgs. I was flying a cruiser easily at 1.5 mil skill points and rookies now start with 800-900k of points. Theres alot to do also. You can pvp as pirate or in a fleet rat for npc do missions mine trade there sooo much to do. The main problem with rookies in eve is they have trouble finding what to do because there so much to do. There not told what to do you have to find it yourself!
BTW its no use saying your characters age may i have a name please?????? You dont prove anything other then that youir a noob if you post you play time not your name and if you have been playing so long why the rant now?
Ok slowly put down the keyboard and return to the safety of WoW again. All games do not fit all people. This clearly was way too advanced for you, so I guess you are no tthe targetted audience. That does ot mean the game is bad, it just means you are not wanted there.
Back to WoW now, hunt some wabbits. You should do fine there, or any other game made for the avegare simpletons.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
I don't play EvE? Did you even read my post? Doesn't look like you did. I guess I know a lot about it for not playing it at all. Player name is Reborn Dragon feel free to look up his Employment Record.
810k SP for new players was an inch to a thousand mile problem. They will still never catch up. Sure you can match someones SP for a certain build/ship but that doesn't matter too much when you meet his t2 decked BS against your frigate/cruiser will it? Time to skill BS's? Oh look now you're going agaisnt his Dread now...hmmm.
The next thing in this thread will be "well he can only have so much SP in frigates to be maxed out", and? So the player with more SP has to 'downgrade' himself from what he could fly so it can be a litle more even? That's a stupid argument to make and a funny one at that.
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25mil AF
200mil in ransoms and ship wrecks
6.2mil SP on my char
less than 1mil SP currently using this ship
and I don't even need the AF. I could use a Punisher just as effectively, but I like to be safe.
I will take on any newbie and show him how to make 100mil in a week (from day 1) playing 3-4hrs a day in high or low sec. (that's a week of 3-4hr play days)
SP? Psh. About 2-10hrs of training to use the right equipment and you're gtg and that's on the old newbie skill set.
People who stay in high sec sicken me, tbh.
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Yeah, I'm just quoting this for ppl who can't read that god awful red writing like myself. Just because different colors are there, doesn't mean you need to use them. Or at least pick a good contrasting color.
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You're post is a joke. Seriously. Wtf? Are you some sort of 1.0 sec only carebear? No wonder you don't the game, I wouldn't either if all I did was mission.
Guess what!
Well over a bil in my bank account.
150k in Industry. (mainly production efficiency for rig building, which I have recently become partial to)
Just made lvl 3 missions this week trying to get a jump clone. Got bored and quit after I lost my Arbi in my first -18 lvl 3 and didn't feel like getting a BC.
Lets all stay in high sec then complain that we're not having fun there, shall we?
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Who said I made that in low sec? I never said that.
I did it all solo, btw. Just a little FYI. In an Assault Frig and most of the money wasn't made in low sec.
Chew on that one.
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You're post is a joke. Seriously. Wtf? Are you some sort of 1.0 sec only carebear? No wonder you don't the game, I wouldn't either if all I did was mission.
Guess what!
Well over a bil in my bank account.
150k in Industry. (mainly production efficiency for rig building, which I have recently become partial to)
Just made lvl 3 missions this week trying to get a jump clone. Got bored and quit after I lost my Arbi in my first -18 lvl 3 and didn't feel like getting a BC.
Lets all stay in high sec then complain that we're not having fun there, shall we?
I live in high sec? No, sorry. I've been in 0.0 for over seven months now. I don't mission. I rat/mine/alliance PvP. Take a closer look at the current events in the south and the corperation/alliance I am in
And by the way, it's easy to gank noobs and haulers/miners.
So, you're playing a game that you don't enjoy?
You're pretty messed up in the head aren't you?
You mine AND pvp? That's probably one of your problems right there. What kind of n00b mines and calls himself a PVPer?
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I'm sorry, we don't all have easy picking in low sec/borderline 0.0 to make our money .
And by the way, I never said I didn't like the game. I am just sick and tired of fan bois such as yourself painting a pretty picture for the pile of crap it is for new players. I also play the game because of the friends I've made.
Dude, ok. You talked about lvl 3 missions right?
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN MADE IT TO LEVEL 3 MISSIONS!
So...............
Anything else you wanna lie about?
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I guess you now see the boo boo you made as you attempted to read faster then your brain could handle. Don't worry though, all is forgiven! It is the day before Christmas after all!
Merry Christmas! I'll be back later to see what else you've managed to cook up and rest assured I'll respond to them.
I Played Eve Online for a good 1 year+ or so, the game aint very friendly towards new players imo, since you will never catch up to any old school gamer, thats just the hard facts, you can maybe be as good as him if he's a newbie with just alot of SP, but lets face it, the more you play the game, the better you become, atleast i hope so, i don't play eve online anymore, but i still have my account thats holding some 16mill SP , aint alot i know, but whenever i quit i allways stopped my sub from running.
And about this with you 2 flaming eachother, get over it, resolve it ingame, meet in some low sec system and shoot it off like the good ol' days.
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I will confirm this, Reborn Dragon exists in the game and his story matches up, he's even part of an 0.0 alliance, the IAC.
I'm curious RD, do you still play EVE?
From what I can gather from the skills required, a new player could get a well equipped t2 assault frig or inty with good gear fairly quickly. (if someone could substantiate with eve mon results that would be appreciated.)
To get into cruiser V is largely an irrealevant point, granted HACs are powerful but they are not the end all ship in the game. They can be easily beaten by most battlecruisers, a ship class that have far less intensive skill needs.
But even all this is largely irrealevant, but I'll follow up on this later.
True, it takes a lot of training to get a HAC, but again it's not really that important.
Why, well what does it take to have fun in EVE?
Well, IMHO, it's being a integral part of a group. That can be easily attainable with basic skills. You can mine with a corp practically right off the bat, you can haul within a week at most. You can be part of a fleet as a tackler or even as an anti support ship within a few days. If train your skills wisely and specialize in your chosen field you will accelerate up the line fairly quickly, especially with tech 1 ships, which are by no means useless. TBH, you need to present hard facts of a good focused skill training regimen (with some learning and some other important unrelated skills). That you need "10s of millions" of skillpoints to fly a tech 1 cruiser, battlecruiser, or even battleship (though that would likely take at least a month) decently.
Even the vaunted HACs can be beaten by a small fleet of inferior ships (maybe even a single one, but admittedly that would be hard) simply by smart equipping, smart flying, and commanding.
I'm also curious about your description of fleet battles and your death rate in a frigate or cruiser. I'm not a PVP centric player but I've been in my share of large fleet battles (I'm part of FIX after all). Let me tell you, nothing smaller than a battleship (though occasionally BCs) are called primary. The destruction of the support fleet (frigs, cruisers) is left up to your support. So yes a tackler might be killed quick (if your fleetmates aren't watching), but at the same time it's a more or less equal playing field.
But the key to getting the best ships quickly is simply focusing your skill training, it's been said countless times, but all skills END at lvl 5 and there is a diminishing rate of return as you train up a skill. Specialization is key, and keeping to that and having a good corp to support you makes the so called veteran-newbie gap irrealevent.
EDIT: One more thing I must add. The larger guns and missiles, as a whole, typically do not have much luck attacking smaller targets. The end result is that groups of smaller ships (or even a single one if it's well equipped) can take out larger ones. For example, I have this SR 425 autocannon high speed tackling Hurricane (teir 2 battlecruier). I am willing to best that any Battleship that gets under my guns will have a hard time surviving.
The only notable exception are drones, large drones can hit small ships fairly regularly (though not as well as their smaller counterparts). But the upside on that is that they can be targeted and destroyed.
Or you can join a good corp that does low sec operations. I was mining in .2 my 2nd day in EVE, in 0.0 my first month. I imagine there are many corps that welcome new players. Need proof: do a forum search for EVE University.
I will admit, the lvl 1 and lvl 2 agents don't give out the best rewards and standings increases. You got us there, but lvl 3 and lvl 4 can be very fun and challenging.
Millions upon millions of SPs for manufacturing and research. Um, could you provide a more detailed report of the skill train to prove your point, because I severaly contest that point. Also, keep in mind when you present your skill training is that Research and Production are not needed together. Simply becuase you can buy the BPCs you need from dedicated reseachers (at a fair price too) without having to set a foot in a lab.
Besides, IIRC, the only production skill you need maxed is production effiecency, and you don't need any lab skills maxed at all, only high enough to suit your purposes and desired production rate.
And granted, there are a sizable number of very expensive BPOs out there, but there are also countless cheap BPOs there. One of the benefits of having a FFA PVP system is that there is always demand for ships and equipment of all types, and you can make some good isk working with the small stuff with in production or producing BPCs.
Also, about the ganking during missons bit. Well, people should be happy to know that there are lvl 4 mission in high sec space. For a long time I was running out a lvl 4 qual 0 admin agent (50/50 kill/courier (which I ignored)) in Mabnen (a .9 and 2 jumps from Amarr) and made some good isk from the bounties, mission rewards, and selling the nice loot. Granted the rewards are better in low sec and 0.0, but all it takes is a little common sense and caution (and being very anal about grabbing your loot, small tractor beams are a real boon there). Contrary to popular belief, pirates are not omnipresent.
Speculation. It's all in the eye of the beholder. 14 day trails and EVE university are great in that regard.
Yes, it's a game that takes some effort to find your niche, but the gap between vets and newbs that you present is largely incorrect and illusionary.
That's purely speculation.
Show me one game that can allow over 500 players in one system. Or a 200 person fleet battle without lag.
That statment has been disproven.
Let's go even farhter, you don't even need that. Why? Because skill points are secondary to finding a good group, having fun with them in industrial and PVP ops. One of the beauties of EVE's renown community.
Anyway, I've given this too much attention.
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... after pointlessly reading all of that i've gotta say... snakey sounds retarted. He never said he didn't enjoy the game, yet you assumed(you know what they say about assuming?) He never said he played WoW... I just love it when people reply to someone attempting to ARGUE and actually prove the point they were trying to make.
I played EVE for about 10 days... couldn't get into it myself... even though I love the idea of an awesomely graphical 3D space MMO... and I'll admit you need to REALLY want to play and dedicate yourself to get into it. It's probably not impossible, but quite difficult and possibly very frustrating as Reborn is trying to say amongst all the crap the fanbois are giving him lol.
Sad to see that someone can't even get their point across without a couple people having to pms on him and assume that he couldn't play the game and enjoy it if he has a gripe about it. Personally I'd be a little unhappy if a game I enjoy makes it harder to get new people into. He obviously wants the game to succeed.
Then you go and call HIM stupid. What a laugh.
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Played: WoW, CoV, AL, SWG, VC, EVE, SWToR
You will loose some battles especially if you are new to the game but you`ll learn.
Once you know your ship you will easily kill most of them and since you are in a tech 1 frig people will attack you and fall for your trap.
Use your brain - think of a good setup and you`ll find out that quite many simply tech 1 ships can be useful against a 40 mill SP pilot that thinks he can kill everything on sight.
The new tier 2 Battlecruisers are fantastic too. You can fly one decently in a short time and kill HACs with them. No need to train cruiser V.
Ofc youneed some gunnery skills but that doesn`t really take too long.
Eve is not a catch-up game. Unlike the ordinary MMO, playing 24/7 will not help you catch up with other players. However, as there is no "end-game" in Eve, catching up is not really necessary. Specialization is! If you try to be a jack-of-all-trades, you will be just that - pretty good at most things and an expert at nothing. If you want to be a fighter, whether pvp or pve, you have to focus your skill training to excel in the type of fighting you want to do!
Instead of joining a large corporation where everyone far surpasses you in skills, try a smaller corporation where most of the members are around the same skill level you are. That way, most of the members will be doing things at the same level you're competent to operate at and you can grow together.
Be a big fish in a small pond rather than a minnow in the ocean. You'll probably be happier and you will achieve more.
You are completely missing the point.
You don't HAVE to fly the 'big ships with big guns' to be effective.
Every fleet needs interceptors
Every fleet needs assault frigs
Every fleet needs Covops
Every fleet needs interdictors
Each of the above are attainable with less than 6mil SP Many with less than 4mil.
The most frequently flown ships in 0.0 are T1 Battleships (flyable with under 4mil SP), T1 Battlecruisers (flyable with less than 3mil SP) and T1 Cruisers (flyable with less than 1.5mil SP). Will YOU be able to take out a dread or BS in a T1 cruiser? No, not alone. but you can be very useful in fleet battles. As to T2 Cruisers (They're called HAC's or Heavy Assault Cruisers by the way) most people do not bother flying any but a couple of them. And yes, you CAN get into them at about 6mil SP or so, and be quite effective in them. But most folks won't bother flying HAC's unless they just have money to burn.
But bottom line: A HAC is meat against a standard T1 Battleship (which you can be flying quite effectively by about 3.5 to 4mil SP) I just don't get why people seem to think you have to have the biggest baddest ship around in EVE. You just don't. I fly my Caracals and Drakes in PVP all the time, occasionally I'll break out my Scorpion. I RARELY pull out a raven or any other ship even though I have them. Why waste a 200m+ ship when I am just as effective in a fleet with one much cheaper?
Hell, you can get cruisers 4 and fly a blackbird (or any of the EWAR cruisers for any race) and be extremely useful to your fleet if tackling isn't your thing.
EVE isn't about "everyone flies the biggest ship". EVE is about "choose the ROLE you want to fill in a fleet, and train for that role"
I don't care how old you are in the game. If you haven't grasped that concept yet then you still don't understand EVE, or your place in it. Me? I'm an EWAR specialist. I train for aspects of EWAR. I will probably not own a capital ship for a year or more, simply because those aren't in my training path right now. I may NEVER fly one for that matter.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
A month ago, the entire north was coming down on us, It was D2/razor/morsus mihi/CDC/PURE/ER/Astral wolves//ratel/Arrorw/NSN vs SMASH/RoadKill. They out numbered us GREATLY but in the end, we pushed them out of the system. How did we do it? We used FRIGATES, yes t1 frigs not BSs. Fighters+ t1 frigs = rape BSs. We would get a covert ops setup on top of the hostile BS fleet, warp in a SHIT LOAD of fighters and insta pop them. We were able to take out a BS every 5 mins with only a few cheap t1 frig losses.
Sorry, but I can't see the OP's point. I haven't played long, I have only 1.25 million sp, and they aren't all focused on one thing. But I have been having fun and don't see that ending.
In this game (from what little I have seen) bigger is not necessarily better, and no matter what level of skill I have in whatever area, there is a job for me to do, a role to fill. For that I have to say that EVE is possibly the most innovative MMO game on the market today!
I lie real life analogies so I will try to use one here.
When I graduated high school (oh, so many years ago) there were a few jobs I could do, and about a million I could not do. I set about a job that interested me and figured out what I needed to take the job to the next level, then I did that. It took time to reach my goal, but while I was working toward my goal there was always something to do, and often that someting was fun! When it wasn't, I made my own.
EVE is like that. I am where I am today. I can have fun today or not, it is up to me. I can set my goal(s) and work toward them, they won't come immediately, but in EVE (as in life) I don't need to have the highest most cosmic level of skill to start to be productive, the skill I have today is sufficient to have fun with.
I am aware that this game isn't for everybody, but I sure am glad it is there for me, and for 100k or so others that feel as I do!
Don't start EVE if you're going to suck at EVE.