EvE is a planning game. If you read about how the training system works, decide on a goal and focus on it you can progress very quickly and within 2-3 months usually get to a short term goal and be able to do some frig PVP or such. Considering how long it takes to get to a really playable point in most other games that is average to a little shorter (with offline training and all).
Problem is people are poor at math and skip the various reading on the game until they have an issue r start feeling cornered because they didn't understand fitting and learnign skill etc.
If EvE interests you read up on it first, please. When my corp dissolved I left though. Higher end PvP felt more like being a peon in a RTS game than what I wanted out of it and hauling was rather boring to me.
Never, understoof the big deal with T2 ships out side of the frigs(specifically covert ops and inty) well okay the 'dictors are pretty usefull. Dragon you come off as having the "I want to be the best at everything" attitude which doesn't fly in a team oriented game like EVE. Ask some of the FIX and BoB guys how fast those HACs melt under the firepower of a 15 man gang. Even T1 battleships only last for a few seconds. So I guess I must be worthless out with my 0.0 corp since I never PVP in any T2 ship, and rarely will you see me in anything larger than a Battlecruiser. Guess I should take my 17mil SP and quit because I can't fly a capital ship or any T2 ships.
Never, understoof the big deal with T2 ships out side of the frigs(specifically covert ops and inty) well okay the 'dictors are pretty usefull. Dragon you come off as having the "I want to be the best at everything" attitude which doesn't fly in a team oriented game like EVE. Ask some of the FIX and BoB guys how fast those HACs melt under the firepower of a 15 man gang. Even T1 battleships only last for a few seconds. So I guess I must be worthless out with my 0.0 corp since I never PVP in any T2 ship, and rarely will you see me in anything larger than a Battlecruiser. Guess I should take my 17mil SP and quit because I can't fly a capital ship or any T2 ships.
Hell, I have 45m SP and I dont even own anything bigger then a battlecruiser right now.
Hell, I have 45m SP and I dont even own anything bigger then a battlecruiser right now. Well you must really suck... I'm not counting my capital alt. That only comes out for PoSwar though.
ahaha in this end this is a load of bs. Me as a new player I was piloting BC with 1.5 mil of sp i am non specialised jack of all trades. I am building the skills to fly BS atm and will have them by the time i hit the 3m skill mark. EVE is not abouty catching up itso ne of the gakmes were you dont have to worry about catching up. Combat is 25%sp 25% ship 50% skill and ship setup.
I have seen my friend in a dominix die to 2 riftyers yes you hjeard me and they hafd been playing for 3 moinths he for 1 year! I in my brutix have been killed by a rifter before. You know why? itas because the player had SKILLS he oprbited me quickly at very short range were my rail guns coulnot hit him. He new to pick of my drones first but next time i was in the area i had changed my setup and put a nosferatu on.. He found me but thios itme i was ready and i nabbed him. Thats eve try test gain in skill sp and ships are only partial. When i had 500k of SP before kali KOS recruited me into there fleet as a tackler. I trained the right skills for 1 wek and was flying a pimped up triastan with a mwd that could get me to 3000ms and rockets 2 blasters the whole deal. Like i said i can manufacture effecianetly pvp rat mission a bit pirate i fly mining barges also. The main problem with eve is thats theree SOOOO much for new players to do they almost get lost. Btw whoever said they can get a new player 100mil in 1 week please help me!! :
All this coming from someone who's been play for just over a year. Character Date of Birth 2005.12.16. I am just sick of the fan bois painting such a 'wonderful' picture and saying you 'only need 2-4million sp!!!11one'
I can understand some one having a massive rant like this after playing a few months.. but todo it after a whole year of playing... is beyond me.. and i dont even play this game... anymore.. i stoped few years back to try other things well with that being said.. Merry Xmas everyone have a good one
you are just one of those e-pixx-e-penixx-kids-of-the-grind, if you cant insta pwn anyone, you just cry a river.
i did pvp from day one, took my crap frigate, joined some corp and did my job there, that is webbing some larger ship and turning your AB on. my corp even had like 1000 crap frigates in theyr storrage, so i could loose as many as i want, they would just produce 300 new ones every day.
now please, go back to wow and grind your e-penixx, this will replace your non-existant skill. you dont even need to think while grinding that mob overthere, suits you perfectly id say.
It is unfortunate that a lot of you think I do not like the game. I have never said I do not like the game. I am past the 'hell' stage that I am referring to (other then the fact that this rant was directed at the people who come here claiming you can do anything with 2-4 million SP).
I love to PvP and I love the interaction between the other people that enjoy doing the same things I do. What is absurd are the forum warriors who come in here waving their e-peen and saying "oh well I can do this with 2-4 mill SP and so can you!!1 cept not really cause I am teh uber low sec pirate!11. I make millions kicking newbs like u around oops I mean plz come play so I can ransom u 2!!1 i mean EvE is teh ownage!!1".
To those who come in saying "Oh I am flying a BC with 1.5 million SP"; how well can you fly it? Just because you have level 2 in BC's does not mean you can really fly it well. If you want to survive you need much more then just two levels in battle cruiser unless you are doing level two missions. Without good weapon skills and tanking skills you may as well just put a sign up over your head saying "Easy Kill here". That is all fine and good if you enjoy being that two-second speed bump or if you are blobbing a gate. In small gang pvp you would be way more of a hassle then an asset. In the blob, anything is welcome, but that detracts a lot of fun out of the game, for me anyway.
Me? I cannot stand asking for money from other people, nor asking for ships, and I did not do missions, especially in 0.0, so I had to put SP in mining, industry, and balance for PvP as well, I could not just "specialize". It gets lame competing for spawns in belts in a big alliance. During prime time? Forget it, wouldn't even waste my time as I knew there were already 10 other people belt humping for spawns. I didn't and don't fly around low sec/borderline 0.0 raping newbie’s/haulers/miners for ransoms because to me it's lame (unless it's a macro miner) and really takes zero skill, and you're all right, it doesn't take 20 million SP to rape newbie’s/haulers/miners, just 1.5.
And I stand by my point. Being a newbie in EvE is hell. Thankfully though I weathered it, which not many do, because it gets good when you reach what you want to do.
And to the person who brought in the RL reference; don't even start. EvE is after all a game, not real life, and comparing the two is senseless and idiotic. People do not play games to be put through hell. It is supposed to be enjoyable, and in EvE, very few people find being new to EvE enjoyable. Many people do not continue playing a game that is not enjoyable from the beginning, which is why EvE's subscriber base isn't that of WoW nor even close to where it could be.
Maybe you need to stop whining and just find somehting that fit your mentality better, like some simple, unadvanced little MMO somewhere that wont give you a heart attack in your outrage that you cant be uber for free.
You really love to share your opinion about things, and you really seem to think your opinion matters more tha others, but the truth of the matter is. The game is too tough for you... That does not mean the game is broken. It means you can cut it there, and you like to whine about it. So drop the whining and just leave. Ok? Go away.... Find a game in your taste and let the adults enjoy their extremly wellmade game.
*sigh* I dont even play EVE, but I hate haters and bashers that just want to complain because its more advanced than WoW. They are turning the MMO market into Hello Kitty Online way too fast for my taste. Everyhting dumbed down into oblivion, ages 4-7.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
Maybe you need to stop whining and just find somehting that fit your mentality better, like some simple, unadvanced little MMO somewhere that wont give you a heart attack in your outrage that you cant be uber for free. You really love to share your opinion about things, and you really seem to think your opinion matters more tha others, but the truth of the matter is. The game is too tough for you... That does not mean the game is broken. It means you can cut it there, and you like to whine about it. So drop the whining and just leave. Ok? Go away.... Find a game in your taste and let the adults enjoy their extremly wellmade game. *sigh* I dont even play EVE, but I hate haters and bashers that just want to complain because its more advanced than WoW. They are turning the MMO market into Hello Kitty Online way too fast for my taste. Everyhting dumbed down into oblivion, ages 4-7.
It is unfortunate that a lot of you think I do not like the game. I have never said I do not like the game. I am past the 'hell' stage that I am referring to (other then the fact that this rant was directed at the people who come here claiming you can do anything with 2-4 million SP). I love to PvP and I love the interaction between the other people that enjoy doing the same things I do. What is absurd are the forum warriors who come in here waving their e-peen and saying "oh well I can do this with 2-4 mill SP and so can you!!1 cept not really cause I am teh uber low sec pirate!11. I make millions kicking newbs like u around oops I mean plz come play so I can ransom u 2!!1 i mean EvE is teh ownage!!1". To those who come in saying "Oh I am flying a BC with 1.5 million SP"; how well can you fly it? Just because you have level 2 in BC's does not mean you can really fly it well. If you want to survive you need much more then just two levels in battle cruiser unless you are doing level two missions. Without good weapon skills and tanking skills you may as well just put a sign up over your head saying "Easy Kill here". That is all fine and good if you enjoy being that two-second speed bump or if you are blobbing a gate. In small gang pvp you would be way more of a hassle then an asset. In the blob, anything is welcome, but that detracts a lot of fun out of the game, for me anyway. Me? I cannot stand asking for money from other people, nor asking for ships, and I did not do missions, especially in 0.0, so I had to put SP in mining, industry, and balance for PvP as well, I could not just "specialize". It gets lame competing for spawns in belts in a big alliance. During prime time? Forget it, wouldn't even waste my time as I knew there were already 10 other people belt humping for spawns. I didn't and don't fly around low sec/borderline 0.0 raping newbie’s/haulers/miners for ransoms because to me it's lame (unless it's a macro miner) and really takes zero skill, and you're all right, it doesn't take 20 million SP to rape newbie’s/haulers/miners, just 1.5. And I stand by my point. Being a newbie in EvE is hell. Thankfully though I weathered it, which not many do, because it gets good when you reach what you want to do. And to the person who brought in the RL reference; don't even start. EvE is after all a game, not real life, and comparing the two is senseless and idiotic. People do not play games to be put through hell. It is supposed to be enjoyable, and in EvE, very few people find being new to EvE enjoyable. Many people do not continue playing a game that is not enjoyable from the beginning, which is why EvE's subscriber base isn't that of WoW nor even close to where it could be.
The fact is that you are wrong. I know MANY "new" players (under 3 months old) who are out in 0.0 with our alliance and having an absolute BLAST. Several already have multiple killmails in, etc. No they aren't solo PVP gods, nor should they be. But they absolutely DO contribute to fleet ops extremely well.
You seem to be hung up on the "a new player can't fight solo against a vet" issue. Which just isn't true. In EQUAL ships they couldn't but if a lone "newbie" in a combat ship (frig, cruiser, battlecruiser, Battleship) catches a lone "VET" in a hauler or even in a slightly weaker ship (which happens a lot more than folks realize) they will be able to win. Sure not every time and sure it's not EASY but the fact of the matter is that they are CAPABLE of killing vets. In EVE it's not really about solo combat anyway, it's about being part of something bigger than yourself and working with others. A T1 frig with a prototype cloak on it is an AWESOME set of 'eyes' to have in a neighboring system when at war. T1 battlecruiser pilots (or even cruiser pilots) add a decent DPS to any fleet and are always welcomed. T1 Battleships make up the vast majority of ships in any 0.0 combat fleet as well. Sure having a T2 ship is nice but it's hardly necessary.
As for how 'effectively' someone with 1.5mil SP can fly a BC? It depends on the BC.... A Ferox or Drake can be VERY effective with only 1.5 mil SP (ever flown one? It is very easy to fit them). Hell you can even mount a pretty decent shield tank on one with that few skill points. (Note: 1.5mil SP is less than a month of playing now, you start with 810k) A 3 month old player averages 2-3 million SP which is more than enough to very effectively fly a Battlecruiser. (And, JFYI: At 1.5mil SP I had BC at 4, not 2. Not everyone puts 2 million SP into learning skills right away, in fact most don't unless it's a vet training up a 2nd account.)
As for your comments about belt spawns and competing for them in 0.0:
Again not true. I am part of a large alliance and my entire income is from ratting. I have NEVER had a problem finding places to hunt in near our base of operations (within a 3-4 jump radius) even though we are a larger alliance and there are several friendly alliances in our area as well. I play during prime time and always have for the most part. I don't typically run missions though I *have* managed to get up to level 4 agents for one corp in Minmatar space (odd since I'm caldari but owell) though I prefer ratting to mission running.
By the time I had 3mil SP I had VERY basic mining skills (just enough to fit miner II's on an osprey) and the rest purely in combat or support skills (nav/engineering/mechanic/etc). ( think that about 1.5 of the 3mil SP were in learning and about 700k or so in spaceship command skills (bc was at 4, frigs at 4, cruisers 3... something like that). I was able to solo anything up to 950k Tripple BS spawns w/o any trouble in a properly fitted ferox (now newbs can use the drake and do 1.4-1.5mil BS's with ease) and was making over 20mil ISK a day ratting. I participated in fleet ops and was considered a good asset as I was able to follow directions and did everything I could to learn the best roles for my caracal (I didn't fly the ferox in PVP) in those combat ops. At 4mil I had started specializing in EWAR and flew blackbirds instead and was regarded as a very good Electronics Warfare pilot even though I was 'only a newbie' by most standards.
Now I fly Scorpions, Drakes or even my Raven in PVP and have a ball. I have numerous solo kills to my name and I am by no means a "vet" with just over 6mil SP (Don't let character age fool you, I took a couple very long vacations from EVE due to RL commitments or other games I was playing) but I have a ball in the game and always have. I'm training up to fly interdictors because it fits with my EWAR role I have chosen. Eventually I'll be in a Force Recon ship and be using T2 ships for PvP but that's several months away. Right now? I have a ball flying my T1 battlecruisers, cruisers and battleships in PVP. And always have. You can claim that newbies can't contribute and you can claim that they are nothing more than a 'speedbump'. But you would be wrong. I've been enjoying my time in EVE despite being a 'newb' myself up till just a very short time ago. I guess now I'd be what most MMO's consider a 'mid-leveller' and am having even MORE fun. Hopefully when I reach "vet" status I'll still be having as much, or more, fun as I am now.
You have your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but your opinion is not the only one. And it certainly isn't the only valid one.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
.... I am past the 'hell' stage that I am referring to (other then the fact that this rant was directed at the people who come here claiming you can do anything with 2-4 million SP). I love to PvP and I love the interaction between the other people that enjoy doing the same things I do. What is absurd are the forum warriors who come in here waving their e-peen and saying "oh well I can do this with 2-4 mill SP and so can you!!1 cept not really cause I am teh uber low sec pirate!11. I make millions kicking newbs like u around oops I mean plz come play so I can ransom u 2!!1 i mean EvE is teh ownage!!1"......
Well, I've been playing for a couple of years so my 2 characters both have over 25 Million SP. One specializes in Trade/Industry and the other in PVP. My 18 year old son decided to go ahead and try the game, so we carefully put together a Caldari Character for him that was pretty much able to use a Kestrel with Scramblers right out of the box. We got him some decent insurance bought him the best ship we could and immediately headed for 0.0 space. I showed him how to tackle, and we started taking out some reds, trying to get into our space, by his SECOND DAY. This is with a character with LESS than 1 million SP. True, he can't fly a carrier yet, but hell, I've been playing for 2 years and I can't either, didn't want to go down that road. Even so, not everyone can be in such an overpowered ship, otherwise what's there to look forward to. Oh and BTW, it would take both of us about the same amount of time to train up to Titans, just simply because as I've said before, I've chosen a different path with my characters. What makes EVE unique is that there are so many different paths to follow, that you can start off now, and still be able to beat the best player in the game, within 4 to 6 months. Mostly because every strength in this game also has it's weakness. You may be good at ranged attacks, but I may be good at up close and personal combat. You may have an excellent Kinetic screen, but I may be carrying Explosive missiles. You may have a great set of Lasers, but my NOS may deny your use of them. You may be in a massive Ship, but my tiny ship with a Warp Scrambler, can stop you cold. You might have just stopped me cold, but I might have Small Scout Drones that will destroy you fairly quickly. This is probably one of the best balanced games that you will ever play, where every class has an advantage AND a disadvantage., However, you do have to play the game, not with the opinion that "once you get to whatever level" you will "WIN", but you have to look at it in terms of "OK, what can I do with my current skills, and setup to stop those guys?" Once you stop to think in those terms, you'll find enjoyment in this game, no matter what your level is. As my son found out yesterday, with the right strategy, anyone can PWN and OWN in this game.
.... I am past the 'hell' stage that I am referring to (other then the fact that this rant was directed at the people who come here claiming you can do anything with 2-4 million SP). I love to PvP and I love the interaction between the other people that enjoy doing the same things I do. What is absurd are the forum warriors who come in here waving their e-peen and saying "oh well I can do this with 2-4 mill SP and so can you!!1 cept not really cause I am teh uber low sec pirate!11. I make millions kicking newbs like u around oops I mean plz come play so I can ransom u 2!!1 i mean EvE is teh ownage!!1"......
Well, I've been playing for a couple of years so my 2 characters both have over 25 Million SP. One specializes in Trade/Industry and the other in PVP. My 18 year old son decided to go ahead and try the game, so we carefully put together a Caldari Character for him that was pretty much able to use a Kestrel with Scramblers right out of the box. We got him some decent insurance bought him the best ship we could and immediately headed for 0.0 space. I showed him how to tackle, and we started taking out some reds, trying to get into our space, by his SECOND DAY. This is with a character with LESS than 1 million SP. True, he can't fly a carrier yet, but hell, I've been playing for 2 years and I can't either, didn't want to go down that road. Even so, not everyone can be in such an overpowered ship, otherwise what's there to look forward to. Oh and BTW, it would take both of us about the same amount of time to train up to Titans, just simply because as I've said before, I've chosen a different path with my characters. What makes EVE unique is that there are so many different paths to follow, that you can start off now, and still be able to beat the best player in the game, within 4 to 6 months. Mostly because every strength in this game also has it's weakness. You may be good at ranged attacks, but I may be good at up close and personal combat. You may have an excellent Kinetic screen, but I may be carrying Explosive missiles. You may have a great set of Lasers, but my NOS may deny your use of them. You may be in a massive Ship, but my tiny ship with a Warp Scrambler, can stop you cold. You might have just stopped me cold, but I might have Small Scout Drones that will destroy you fairly quickly. This is probably one of the best balanced games that you will ever play, where every class has an advantage AND a disadvantage., However, you do have to play the game, not with the opinion that "once you get to whatever level" you will "WIN", but you have to look at it in terms of "OK, what can I do with my current skills, and setup to stop those guys?" Once you stop to think in those terms, you'll find enjoyment in this game, no matter what your level is. As my son found out yesterday, with the right strategy, anyone can PWN and OWN in this game.
Sure if you focus your character as a fighting character only, then sure you will be able to handle ur self perfectly allright if you don't try to multitask to much within the different area's Eve has to offer you.
...As my son found out yesterday, with the right strategy, anyone can PWN and OWN in this game.
Sure if you focus your character as a fighting character only, then sure you will be able to handle ur self perfectly allright if you don't try to multitask to much within the different area's Eve has to offer you. The point I'm trying to make is that you can specialize wherever you want. Every game has specializations to some extent, are you saying that All characters should be the same with the same abilities? I think that would ruin the game. I have a character that I use for PVP, but in all honesty, I don't really use it that much, because I like to focus on the crafting aspect of the game. My son likes the PVP action, that's not really my style. Some people in the game like the Marketing aspect, some like to play support roles in fights, some like to fly nothing but Cruisers, others only like the PvE aspect of the game, others like Agent running, exploring, mining, Building POS's and other structures, Moon mining, complex reactions, chemistry, drug running, drug using, Modding and Rigs, Salvaging, the list goes on and on, sure a lot of it has just recently been added, but this is why EVE keeps growing, it's doubled it's player base over the past year, because they keep adding, but I"m sorry no ONE character should be able to specialize in ALL areas, unless they've put in their time, and even then, you have to pick what's most important to you, unless you want to open up multiple accounts to specialize in all areas.
Gotta agree with Reborn Dragon...all the ads and high ratings on this site make one believe that the game is awesome, but once you get in there the learning curve in itself made me drop out. Not only that, but I was so bored I thought I'd died.
And only cause I know I am going to get flamed because I don't agree with all the fanboys of this game....It should die a painful death and go the way of AC2.
And only cause I know I am going to get flamed because I don't agree with all the fanboys of this game....It should die a painful death and go the way of AC2.
You only deserve to get flamed for that quote, out of all you said. I can't stand WoW and got bored out of my mind but doesn't mean I think it should die. Grow up and realize that there are other people in the world with different tastes and your not the only person in the world that needs to be pleased.
EVE will not hand you everything (or anything, pretty much) on a silver platter, and since it has about 25X the depth of a game like WoW it does have a considerable learning curve.
But EVE is a game that is much more limited by the imagination of the player than any constraint put on the player by the game, which is why I think the game is AWESOME!
EVE is not for everyone, granted, but for anyone willing to tackle its challenges there is a huge, deep, and satisfying game to be found. I am glad I found it!
Originally posted by RabidBowman
Gotta agree with Reborn Dragon...all the ads and high ratings on this site make one believe that the game is awesome, but once you get in there the learning curve in itself made me drop out. Not only that, but I was so bored I thought I'd died.
And only cause I know I am going to get flamed because I don't agree with all the fanboys of this game....It should die a painful death and go the way of AC2.
The OP obviously does not play EVE Online. Creation of character does not mean anything. I have a 1 year old character that only had 5k skill points prior to latest update to character creation.
Tens of millions of skill points are needed? That must be why I have fun and do a great job every time I log in since I currently have about 13m. Any excuses to why I made more in my first 3-4 months of game play then I have in the last 6 months?
Players who even bother mentioning "fan bois" are the first sign of someone who does not belong. EVE will not reward those with a name calling mentality. It is for the big kids.
I laugh at the arguement of how you can't be this or that since older players always have the upper hand. This claim is nothing more then beating the dead horse.
Chess or checkers. EVE Online gamers are more prone to play Chess. World of Warcraft fans are more likely to lose at checkers. This should be obvious for most...
Originally posted by RebornDragon
(99% of the time are frigates, unless of course you are blob ganking, which btw will be the only thing you can do till you have those 10's of millions of SP is tackling) get targeted first, then cruisers, blah blah blah, not pretty in the end for you till you have millions upon millions of SP. EvE is a sick joke to anyone starting new. I would not advise it unless you have the patients of a rock and then some All this coming from someone who's been play for just over a year. Character Date of Birth 2005.12.16. I am just sick of the fan bois painting such a 'wonderful' picture and saying you 'only need 2-4million sp!!!11one'
Why do u EvE fan-boyz need to drag WoW into your arguments.. always with the "go play a dumb mmo like WoW you need no skills for that, go play with the kids"
You all act like a 14 year-old boy who keeps picking on that girl at the back of the class cus your secretly fancy her but you dont want ya mates to know... get a grip and keep it EvE.
EvE players are NOT superior or more mature than WoW players.. there just as many kids who play EvE its just with ya massive 100,000 subs you dont run into as many. Because WoW is easy to play (PvE) and does not make you sit through a 3 hours tutorial does not make a dumb down game.
EvE is one of the only MMO's that growing, I even think WoW is dropping in Europe, mainly due to taking 2 years to release an expansion, but i expect a boost in the 16th when the expansion is relased.
But the attiutde of most EvE players here thinking they are superior and above others who play games like WoW or EQ realy is not helping, you talk of a good community in EvE but all I see are EvE players with big heads looking down on others. I intend to try EvE again soon (this time I wont quit 2 hours into the tutorial - I hope it changed) and I hope players in EvE are more pleasent than most who troll this forum.
I am sorry if my comparison to WoW offended you, but for someone such as myself who has played at least a dozen different MMO games, comparisons to other games are inevitable.
I did not mean to demean WoW players, and my comparison was not with the players, but with the game. I stand by the 25X more depth, because, the fact is, EVE does have more depth than just about any other game, and a lot more depth than some. The only game (that I am aware of) that comes even close is The Sage of Ryzom, IMO.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
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EvE is a planning game. If you read about how the training system works, decide on a goal and focus on it you can progress very quickly and within 2-3 months usually get to a short term goal and be able to do some frig PVP or such. Considering how long it takes to get to a really playable point in most other games that is average to a little shorter (with offline training and all).
Problem is people are poor at math and skip the various reading on the game until they have an issue r start feeling cornered because they didn't understand fitting and learnign skill etc.
If EvE interests you read up on it first, please. When my corp dissolved I left though. Higher end PvP felt more like being a peon in a RTS game than what I wanted out of it and hauling was rather boring to me.
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As you are a confirmed WoW fanboy and a rival for the mmo prize for 2006 and you only have 4 stars your opinion doesant really count for much.
Same really goes for Eternal dragon really heh i remember his past posts on the eve forums he is just one big carebear if what i see is accurate.
I have seen my friend in a dominix die to 2 riftyers yes you hjeard me and they hafd been playing for 3 moinths he for 1 year! I in my brutix have been killed by a rifter before. You know why? itas because the player had SKILLS he oprbited me quickly at very short range were my rail guns coulnot hit him. He new to pick of my drones first but next time i was in the area i had changed my setup and put a nosferatu on.. He found me but thios itme i was ready and i nabbed him. Thats eve try test gain in skill sp and ships are only partial. When i had 500k of SP before kali KOS recruited me into there fleet as a tackler. I trained the right skills for 1 wek and was flying a pimped up triastan with a mwd that could get me to 3000ms and rockets 2 blasters the whole deal. Like i said i can manufacture effecianetly pvp rat mission a bit pirate i fly mining barges also. The main problem with eve is thats theree SOOOO much for new players to do they almost get lost. Btw whoever said they can get a new player 100mil in 1
week please help me!! :
you are just one of those e-pixx-e-penixx-kids-of-the-grind, if you cant insta pwn anyone, you just cry a river.
i did pvp from day one, took my crap frigate, joined some corp and did my job there, that is webbing some larger ship and turning your AB on. my corp even had like 1000 crap frigates in theyr storrage, so i could loose as many as i want, they would just produce 300 new ones every day.
now please, go back to wow and grind your e-penixx, this will replace your non-existant skill. you dont even need to think while grinding that mob overthere, suits you perfectly id say.
It is unfortunate that a lot of you think I do not like the game. I have never said I do not like the game. I am past the 'hell' stage that I am referring to (other then the fact that this rant was directed at the people who come here claiming you can do anything with 2-4 million SP).
I love to PvP and I love the interaction between the other people that enjoy doing the same things I do. What is absurd are the forum warriors who come in here waving their e-peen and saying "oh well I can do this with 2-4 mill SP and so can you!!1 cept not really cause I am teh uber low sec pirate!11. I make millions kicking newbs like u around oops I mean plz come play so I can ransom u 2!!1 i mean EvE is teh ownage!!1".
To those who come in saying "Oh I am flying a BC with 1.5 million SP"; how well can you fly it? Just because you have level 2 in BC's does not mean you can really fly it well. If you want to survive you need much more then just two levels in battle cruiser unless you are doing level two missions. Without good weapon skills and tanking skills you may as well just put a sign up over your head saying "Easy Kill here". That is all fine and good if you enjoy being that two-second speed bump or if you are blobbing a gate. In small gang pvp you would be way more of a hassle then an asset. In the blob, anything is welcome, but that detracts a lot of fun out of the game, for me anyway.
Me? I cannot stand asking for money from other people, nor asking for ships, and I did not do missions, especially in 0.0, so I had to put SP in mining, industry, and balance for PvP as well, I could not just "specialize". It gets lame competing for spawns in belts in a big alliance. During prime time? Forget it, wouldn't even waste my time as I knew there were already 10 other people belt humping for spawns. I didn't and don't fly around low sec/borderline 0.0 raping newbie’s/haulers/miners for ransoms because to me it's lame (unless it's a macro miner) and really takes zero skill, and you're all right, it doesn't take 20 million SP to rape newbie’s/haulers/miners, just 1.5.
And I stand by my point. Being a newbie in EvE is hell. Thankfully though I weathered it, which not many do, because it gets good when you reach what you want to do.
And to the person who brought in the RL reference; don't even start. EvE is after all a game, not real life, and comparing the two is senseless and idiotic. People do not play games to be put through hell. It is supposed to be enjoyable, and in EvE, very few people find being new to EvE enjoyable. Many people do not continue playing a game that is not enjoyable from the beginning, which is why EvE's subscriber base isn't that of WoW nor even close to where it could be.
Maybe you need to stop whining and just find somehting that fit your mentality better, like some simple, unadvanced little MMO somewhere that wont give you a heart attack in your outrage that you cant be uber for free.
You really love to share your opinion about things, and you really seem to think your opinion matters more tha others, but the truth of the matter is. The game is too tough for you... That does not mean the game is broken. It means you can cut it there, and you like to whine about it. So drop the whining and just leave. Ok? Go away.... Find a game in your taste and let the adults enjoy their extremly wellmade game.
*sigh* I dont even play EVE, but I hate haters and bashers that just want to complain because its more advanced than WoW. They are turning the MMO market into Hello Kitty Online way too fast for my taste. Everyhting dumbed down into oblivion, ages 4-7.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
You seem to be hung up on the "a new player can't fight solo against a vet" issue. Which just isn't true. In EQUAL ships they couldn't but if a lone "newbie" in a combat ship (frig, cruiser, battlecruiser, Battleship) catches a lone "VET" in a hauler or even in a slightly weaker ship (which happens a lot more than folks realize) they will be able to win. Sure not every time and sure it's not EASY but the fact of the matter is that they are CAPABLE of killing vets. In EVE it's not really about solo combat anyway, it's about being part of something bigger than yourself and working with others. A T1 frig with a prototype cloak on it is an AWESOME set of 'eyes' to have in a neighboring system when at war. T1 battlecruiser pilots (or even cruiser pilots) add a decent DPS to any fleet and are always welcomed. T1 Battleships make up the vast majority of ships in any 0.0 combat fleet as well. Sure having a T2 ship is nice but it's hardly necessary.
As for how 'effectively' someone with 1.5mil SP can fly a BC? It depends on the BC.... A Ferox or Drake can be VERY effective with only 1.5 mil SP (ever flown one? It is very easy to fit them). Hell you can even mount a pretty decent shield tank on one with that few skill points. (Note: 1.5mil SP is less than a month of playing now, you start with 810k) A 3 month old player averages 2-3 million SP which is more than enough to very effectively fly a Battlecruiser. (And, JFYI: At 1.5mil SP I had BC at 4, not 2. Not everyone puts 2 million SP into learning skills right away, in fact most don't unless it's a vet training up a 2nd account.)
As for your comments about belt spawns and competing for them in 0.0:
Again not true. I am part of a large alliance and my entire income is from ratting. I have NEVER had a problem finding places to hunt in near our base of operations (within a 3-4 jump radius) even though we are a larger alliance and there are several friendly alliances in our area as well. I play during prime time and always have for the most part. I don't typically run missions though I *have* managed to get up to level 4 agents for one corp in Minmatar space (odd since I'm caldari but owell) though I prefer ratting to mission running.
By the time I had 3mil SP I had VERY basic mining skills (just enough to fit miner II's on an osprey) and the rest purely in combat or support skills (nav/engineering/mechanic/etc). ( think that about 1.5 of the 3mil SP were in learning and about 700k or so in spaceship command skills (bc was at 4, frigs at 4, cruisers 3... something like that). I was able to solo anything up to 950k Tripple BS spawns w/o any trouble in a properly fitted ferox (now newbs can use the drake and do 1.4-1.5mil BS's with ease) and was making over 20mil ISK a day ratting. I participated in fleet ops and was considered a good asset as I was able to follow directions and did everything I could to learn the best roles for my caracal (I didn't fly the ferox in PVP) in those combat ops. At 4mil I had started specializing in EWAR and flew blackbirds instead and was regarded as a very good Electronics Warfare pilot even though I was 'only a newbie' by most standards.
Now I fly Scorpions, Drakes or even my Raven in PVP and have a ball. I have numerous solo kills to my name and I am by no means a "vet" with just over 6mil SP (Don't let character age fool you, I took a couple very long vacations from EVE due to RL commitments or other games I was playing) but I have a ball in the game and always have. I'm training up to fly interdictors because it fits with my EWAR role I have chosen. Eventually I'll be in a Force Recon ship and be using T2 ships for PvP but that's several months away. Right now? I have a ball flying my T1 battlecruisers, cruisers and battleships in PVP. And always have. You can claim that newbies can't contribute and you can claim that they are nothing more than a 'speedbump'. But you would be wrong. I've been enjoying my time in EVE despite being a 'newb' myself up till just a very short time ago. I guess now I'd be what most MMO's consider a 'mid-leveller' and am having even MORE fun. Hopefully when I reach "vet" status I'll still be having as much, or more, fun as I am now.
You have your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but your opinion is not the only one. And it certainly isn't the only valid one.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
List of SOE lies
Sure if you focus your character as a fighting character only, then sure you will be able to handle ur self perfectly allright if you don't try to multitask to much within the different area's Eve has to offer you.
List of SOE lies
Sure if you focus your character as a fighting character only, then sure you will be able to handle ur self perfectly allright if you don't try to multitask to much within the different area's Eve has to offer you. The point I'm trying to make is that you can specialize wherever you want. Every game has specializations to some extent, are you saying that All characters should be the same with the same abilities? I think that would ruin the game. I have a character that I use for PVP, but in all honesty, I don't really use it that much, because I like to focus on the crafting aspect of the game. My son likes the PVP action, that's not really my style. Some people in the game like the Marketing aspect, some like to play support roles in fights, some like to fly nothing but Cruisers, others only like the PvE aspect of the game, others like Agent running, exploring, mining, Building POS's and other structures, Moon mining, complex reactions, chemistry, drug running, drug using, Modding and Rigs, Salvaging, the list goes on and on, sure a lot of it has just recently been added, but this is why EVE keeps growing, it's doubled it's player base over the past year, because they keep adding, but I"m sorry no ONE character should be able to specialize in ALL areas, unless they've put in their time, and even then, you have to pick what's most important to you, unless you want to open up multiple accounts to specialize in all areas.
And only cause I know I am going to get flamed because I don't agree with all the fanboys of this game....It should die a painful death and go the way of AC2.
From someone with ~1.5 million SP:
EVE will not hand you everything (or anything, pretty much) on a silver platter, and since it has about 25X the depth of a game like WoW it does have a considerable learning curve.
But EVE is a game that is much more limited by the imagination of the player than any constraint put on the player by the game, which is why I think the game is AWESOME!
EVE is not for everyone, granted, but for anyone willing to tackle its challenges there is a huge, deep, and satisfying game to be found. I am glad I found it!
You all act like a 14 year-old boy who keeps picking on that girl at the back of the class cus your secretly fancy her but you dont want ya mates to know... get a grip and keep it EvE.
EvE players are NOT superior or more mature than WoW players.. there just as many kids who play EvE its just with ya massive 100,000
EvE is one of the only MMO's that growing, I even think WoW is dropping in Europe, mainly due to taking 2 years to release an expansion, but i expect a boost in the 16th when the expansion is relased.
But the attiutde of most EvE players here thinking they are superior and above others who play games like WoW or EQ realy is not helping, you talk of a good community in EvE but all I see are EvE players with big heads looking down on others. I intend to try EvE again soon (this time I wont quit 2 hours into the tutorial - I hope it changed) and I hope players in EvE are more pleasent than most who troll this forum.
coffee,
I am sorry if my comparison to WoW offended you, but for someone such as myself who has played at least a dozen different MMO games, comparisons to other games are inevitable.
I did not mean to demean WoW players, and my comparison was not with the players, but with the game. I stand by the 25X more depth, because, the fact is, EVE does have more depth than just about any other game, and a lot more depth than some. The only game (that I am aware of) that comes even close is The Sage of Ryzom, IMO.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?