You could argue that its a mental condition, like ahlzheimers(sp?). But really thats just how you perceive the situation. Its only a "mental condition" if you are a homophobe and have negative reaction to gay people, otherwise its just a different way of life. After all being gay is not a bad thing, and has no serious implications of health assiciated with it.
Au contraire (sp? Damn frenchies) your statement is totally flawed based on one HUGE assumption. People view people with mental conditions as 'lesser' people. I for one know that I am not one of those people. A sufferer from one such condition myself (bet you can't guess which one - and for the record, Liberalism ISN'T a mental condition, so don't even try that one Outofctrl), and with many friends with everything from depression to MPD to *can't remember the real name* wanting to change sex, I don't view a single one of them as having anything 'negative' about them. So basically, even if you have no negative feeling toward gay people at all, there's no reason that you couldn't consider it a mental condition, and as such, that's my belief.
And note, every time you hear someone say "They're born that way", every child with Autism, Downes etc. etc. was born that way, and it's no different.
I hate to break it to you, but there isn't really all that much difference between homosexuality and the others. (I'm not bashing homesexuality or anything, just trying to bring something to the light). The only real differences are that homosexuality is more acceptable in our culture than banging a horse, and the people behind it are organized and trying to do something. I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living. Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality. It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. Hell, give 'em a few decades and the organization, I'm sure at some point people'd make marriage with animals legal, too.
Except the fact that homosexuality exists within the same species and bestiality does not. Sorry, but fucking another human being that happens to be of the same sex as you and fucking your neighbor's dog are two very different things.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
Now you know what it's like to be a hommophobe. If you come up with a single reason other than "two very different things" I'll gladly argue the point with you.
A homophobe? Really not sure where you drew that conclusion but I'm quite aware I'm not one. And I just gave you one. Bestiality is a relationship between a human and another species. A homosexual relationship is between a human and another human, as is a heterosexual relationship. Are you going to argue that screwing your dog and another guy are one in the same? I'm saying they're different, like shooting your dog and shooting your friend would be. They may have similarities but in the end they are different situations.
Also to add, I wasn't aware animals had the ability to consent to sex with a person.
Originally posted by Draenor
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
Where have I said it was completely natural? I haven't even used the word natural in this this thread yet up until the previous sentence.
What I did say is that they are two different things, which they are.
and if i do yell that? whats it to you, lol. i dont, but if i did? me personality is obvious, everyone else gets it, your the only one that doesnt seem to be with the program, eh? pacha? Actually, it seems I'm the only one that gets annoyed by people who pretend to be someone else. this should prolly tell you something about yourself.
and its not a matter of feeling the need to respect me, its a matter of harassing me at every chance you get in every thread i post in, thats blatant disrespect. up till now, ive been pretty tolerant of it, but im coming to the end of me patience with your constant badgering. frankly, i think that your a stupidass white BOY from a rich family. i think that your a homo yourself and thats why you feel so much hositility toward me and me opinion, i also think that youve had everything handed to you all your life and dont have any ideas of your own. youre prolly around 16-18 years old, flunking alot of your classes in high school because you spend too much time on the net and forums. and yes, you are definitely coming out looking like an ass that cant get a clue. and by definition, "being open to other peoples opinions" means that you dont critize their opinions and call them names at every chance you get. it also means you respect them and their rights to said opinions. you are, by definition, not open to other peoples opinion. thats your problem, not mine. in fact, im highly amused by how much of a dumbass you are proving yourself to be by continuely responding with dumbass comments that only a flippin retard would agree with. Because it is disrespect, what part of "I do not feel any need to show respect to you" did you not understand? I do not care if you lose your patience, Because I frown upon you and your constant need to put homosexuality in a bad daylight.A rich family? Handed everything your entire life? flunking classes? What in HEAVENS name does that have ANYTHING to do with this? Is this a JOKE? I am open to other people's opinions, UNLESS they are offensive, I criticize them. If you don't wish for other people to criticize, DO NOT POST IT ON A FORUM!. Want me to say it again? I look down upon you and your opinion about homosexuality, its simply DISGUSTING that you think its a disease. You think I'm a dumbass? Sir, you think Homosexuality is a disease even though its FACT that its not. Also, I'm not homo in any way or form. That is fact. Ofcourse, you never let facts stand in your way.
actually, the joke is that you dont get that i was doing exactly to you what you were doing and continue to do to me, lol. Oo and btw, ive been reading some of the other posts that have come into the thread since the start and i would have to agree, its not a desease in the traditional sense, its a disorder, i believe that i even cleared that up, but it doesnt fit in with your plan to bash me so you ignored it. gj. and just cause you say its FACT 50 times in the same post doesnt mean that its a fact, lol. last i checked you werent God, meaning you dont hold authority on FACT, lol. notice that no one else has a problem with me having me own opinion. no one else is posting about it, you cant let it go, your ego wont let you, lol. im posting for amusement. youre posting to prove me an idiot. and since youre failing, youll prolly say something stupid like, im just posting for the same reason you are, or some shit like that.
lastly, what are the norms, dumbass? someone has already pointed this out, there are no norms. you have nothing to base your blatant disrespect and childish behavior on, so you nitpick on me name, me personality, me writing style. anything else youd like to point out about me that proves that im stupid and not deserving of respect? God forbid that youd actually read me posts and respond to them, no, no, no, a thousand times no.....you gotta talk about me personality, sig, avatar, writing style, and/or name. thats way more important, lol, what a retard, IMHO. <----dont get offended, its just me opinion, lol. Your just a very sad little man who still is trying to put homosexuality in bad daylight while at the same time trying to get a fictional character to be your next personality. I think your retarded and you sir, should receive a good kick in the ass. and if that is truly your opinion, fine, youre entitled to it, dumbass, lol.
1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
Alcoholism: a chronic disorder characterized by dependence on alcohol, repeated excessive use of alcoholic beverages, the development of withdrawal symptoms on reducing or ceasing intake, morbidity that may include cirrhosis of the liver, and decreased ability to function socially and vocationally.
Alcoholism is not a disease, it's a weakness, and a "disorder" at most. A disorder is not the same as a disease. As you can read from the definition of disease, it is something characterzed by the disorder of of an organ, part, structure, or system of the body. A psychological addiction to something, such as alcohol, is not the result of a disfunctional organ or system of the body...it's a PSYCHOLOGICAL addiction, it's a result of mental weakness, not any kind of physical ailment. As the late Mitch Hedberg used to say..."Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only disease that you can get yelled at for having...Dammit Otto, you're an alcoholic, dammit Otto, you've got Lupis...one of those two does not work." Anyway, I don't believe that homosexuality is a disease either. There is not nearly enough actual evidence to support such a claim.
I was always told that alcoholism was a physical condition as well as a psychological one. There are several actually that would prevent detox. Hence why it can kill.
Personally I believe when you see someone go trough detox without help or medication you'll realize it doesn't really matter whether it's physical or mental.
I wonder why, when the vast majority of the psychiatric association took homosexuality from the disorder charts 30 years ago, kids should start to think they have the right to an opinion in the matter... when they dont have the expertise or even the knowledge, information and studies to contradict them.... When you don't know about something you just STFU and let the people who know best do the talking....
and if i do yell that? whats it to you, lol. i dont, but if i did? me personality is obvious, everyone else gets it, your the only one that doesnt seem to be with the program, eh? pacha? Actually, it seems I'm the only one that gets annoyed by people who pretend to be someone else. this should prolly tell you something about yourself.
and its not a matter of feeling the need to respect me, its a matter of harassing me at every chance you get in every thread i post in, thats blatant disrespect. up till now, ive been pretty tolerant of it, but im coming to the end of me patience with your constant badgering. frankly, i think that your a stupidass white BOY from a rich family. i think that your a homo yourself and thats why you feel so much hositility toward me and me opinion, i also think that youve had everything handed to you all your life and dont have any ideas of your own. youre prolly around 16-18 years old, flunking alot of your classes in high school because you spend too much time on the net and forums. and yes, you are definitely coming out looking like an ass that cant get a clue. and by definition, "being open to other peoples opinions" means that you dont critize their opinions and call them names at every chance you get. it also means you respect them and their rights to said opinions. you are, by definition, not open to other peoples opinion. thats your problem, not mine. in fact, im highly amused by how much of a dumbass you are proving yourself to be by continuely responding with dumbass comments that only a flippin retard would agree with. Because it is disrespect, what part of "I do not feel any need to show respect to you" did you not understand? I do not care if you lose your patience, Because I frown upon you and your constant need to put homosexuality in a bad daylight.A rich family? Handed everything your entire life? flunking classes? What in HEAVENS name does that have ANYTHING to do with this? Is this a JOKE? I am open to other people's opinions, UNLESS they are offensive, I criticize them. If you don't wish for other people to criticize, DO NOT POST IT ON A FORUM!. Want me to say it again? I look down upon you and your opinion about homosexuality, its simply DISGUSTING that you think its a disease. You think I'm a dumbass? Sir, you think Homosexuality is a disease even though its FACT that its not. Also, I'm not homo in any way or form. That is fact. Ofcourse, you never let facts stand in your way.
actually, the joke is that you dont get that i was doing exactly to you what you were doing and continue to do to me, lol. Oo and btw, ive been reading some of the other posts that have come into the thread since the start and i would have to agree, its not a desease in the traditional sense, its a disorder, i believe that i even cleared that up, but it doesnt fit in with your plan to bash me so you ignored it. gj. and just cause you say its FACT 50 times in the same post doesnt mean that its a fact, lol. last i checked you werent God, meaning you dont hold authority on FACT, lol. No you didn't sir, you did not point out that you changed your mind. Also, it has been proven by science.If there is evidence, its fact, simple like that.
notice that no one else has a problem with me having me own opinion. no one else is posting about it, you cant let it go, your ego wont let you, lol. im posting for amusement. youre posting to prove me an idiot. and since youre failing, youll prolly say something stupid like, im just posting for the same reason you are, or some shit like that.
lastly, what are the norms, dumbass? someone has already pointed this out, there are no norms. you have nothing to base your blatant disrespect and childish behavior on, so you nitpick on me name, me personality, me writing style. anything else youd like to point out about me that proves that im stupid and not deserving of respect? God forbid that youd actually read me posts and respond to them, no, no, no, a thousand times no.....you gotta talk about me personality, sig, avatar, writing style, and/or name. thats way more important, lol, what a retard, IMHO. <----dont get offended, its just me opinion, lol. Your just a very sad little man who still is trying to put homosexuality in bad daylight while at the same time trying to get a fictional character to be your next personality. I think your retarded and you sir, should receive a good kick in the ass. and if that is truly your opinion, fine, youre entitled to it, dumbass, lol. And thats comming from a person who believes in all kind of magical things *rolleyes*
The inability to reason from the homophobes on this thread is amazing. How does homosexuality (the attraction to adult members of your species of the same sex) have anything at all to do with bestiality (sexual intercourse with animals)?
By this logic, heterosexuality (an attraction to members of the opposite sex, within your species) is just as equal to bestiality.
Your argument, as illogical as it is, seems to be that-
Homosexuality is against nature.
Bestiality is against nature.
Therefore, homosexuality = bestiality.
Anyone with any ability to reason logically can explain to you how very incorrect this argument is.
As for the belief that homosexuality is against nature, it is found in every species studied. So you are left with only the argument that you and some other homophobes say it is against nature, without any proof whatsoever.
I wonder why, when the vast majority of the psychiatric association took homosexuality from the disorder charts 30 years ago, kids should start to think they have the right to an opinion in the matter... when they dont have the expertise or even the knowledge, information and studies to contradict them.... When you don't know about something you just STFU and let the people who know best do the talking.... /rant off
I hate to break it to you, but there isn't really all that much difference between homosexuality and the others. (I'm not bashing homesexuality or anything, just trying to bring something to the light). The only real differences are that homosexuality is more acceptable in our culture than banging a horse, and the people behind it are organized and trying to do something. I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living. Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality. It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. Hell, give 'em a few decades and the organization, I'm sure at some point people'd make marriage with animals legal, too.
Except the fact that homosexuality exists within the same species and bestiality does not. Sorry, but fucking another human being that happens to be of the same sex as you and fucking your neighbor's dog are two very different things.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
and if i do yell that? whats it to you, lol. i dont, but if i did? me personality is obvious, everyone else gets it, your the only one that doesnt seem to be with the program, eh? pacha? Actually, it seems I'm the only one that gets annoyed by people who pretend to be someone else. this should prolly tell you something about yourself.
and its not a matter of feeling the need to respect me, its a matter of harassing me at every chance you get in every thread i post in, thats blatant disrespect. up till now, ive been pretty tolerant of it, but im coming to the end of me patience with your constant badgering. frankly, i think that your a stupidass white BOY from a rich family. i think that your a homo yourself and thats why you feel so much hositility toward me and me opinion, i also think that youve had everything handed to you all your life and dont have any ideas of your own. youre prolly around 16-18 years old, flunking alot of your classes in high school because you spend too much time on the net and forums. and yes, you are definitely coming out looking like an ass that cant get a clue. and by definition, "being open to other peoples opinions" means that you dont critize their opinions and call them names at every chance you get. it also means you respect them and their rights to said opinions. you are, by definition, not open to other peoples opinion. thats your problem, not mine. in fact, im highly amused by how much of a dumbass you are proving yourself to be by continuely responding with dumbass comments that only a flippin retard would agree with. Because it is disrespect, what part of "I do not feel any need to show respect to you" did you not understand? I do not care if you lose your patience, Because I frown upon you and your constant need to put homosexuality in a bad daylight.A rich family? Handed everything your entire life? flunking classes? What in HEAVENS name does that have ANYTHING to do with this? Is this a JOKE? I am open to other people's opinions, UNLESS they are offensive, I criticize them. If you don't wish for other people to criticize, DO NOT POST IT ON A FORUM!. Want me to say it again? I look down upon you and your opinion about homosexuality, its simply DISGUSTING that you think its a disease. You think I'm a dumbass? Sir, you think Homosexuality is a disease even though its FACT that its not. Also, I'm not homo in any way or form. That is fact. Ofcourse, you never let facts stand in your way.
actually, the joke is that you dont get that i was doing exactly to you what you were doing and continue to do to me, lol. Oo and btw, ive been reading some of the other posts that have come into the thread since the start and i would have to agree, its not a desease in the traditional sense, its a disorder, i believe that i even cleared that up, but it doesnt fit in with your plan to bash me so you ignored it. gj. and just cause you say its FACT 50 times in the same post doesnt mean that its a fact, lol. last i checked you werent God, meaning you dont hold authority on FACT, lol. No you didn't sir, you did not point out that you changed your mind. Also, it has been proven by science.If there is evidence, its fact, simple like that. never said i changed me mind, this is an exact quote from me third post in this thread, "you cant catch depression either, but according to doctors, its a desease. mental disorder, whatever you wanna call it."
i did indeed change the way i referred to it. but you continued to say that i was calling it a desease. notice that no one else has a problem with me having me own opinion. no one else is posting about it, you cant let it go, your ego wont let you, lol. im posting for amusement. youre posting to prove me an idiot. and since youre failing, youll prolly say something stupid like, im just posting for the same reason you are, or some shit like that.
lastly, what are the norms, dumbass? someone has already pointed this out, there are no norms. you have nothing to base your blatant disrespect and childish behavior on, so you nitpick on me name, me personality, me writing style. anything else youd like to point out about me that proves that im stupid and not deserving of respect? God forbid that youd actually read me posts and respond to them, no, no, no, a thousand times no.....you gotta talk about me personality, sig, avatar, writing style, and/or name. thats way more important, lol, what a retard, IMHO. <----dont get offended, its just me opinion, lol. Your just a very sad little man who still is trying to put homosexuality in bad daylight while at the same time trying to get a fictional character to be your next personality. I think your retarded and you sir, should receive a good kick in the ass. and if that is truly your opinion, fine, youre entitled to it, dumbass, lol. And thats comming from a person who believes in all kind of magical things *rolleyes* dont remember ever saying that i believed in all kinds of magical things, lol. now your just being silly.
Disclaimer: This is just a question and not meant to start any sort of bashing.
Why do so many (NOT ALL) gay, lesbian, alternative lifestyle, or whatever the PC term is want to announce to the world that they are living that type of life style.
I will expand this to include anyone who feels they need to let the world know how they act and what they believe in an overt manner. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with you if you are homosexual, have pride in your race or religion, but do I really need to know about it?
Some people are just like that; they seek attention. Others want to promote a cause and spread awareness of what they go through.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
I hate to break it to you, but there isn't really all that much difference between homosexuality and the others. (I'm not bashing homesexuality or anything, just trying to bring something to the light). The only real differences are that homosexuality is more acceptable in our culture than banging a horse, and the people behind it are organized and trying to do something. I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living. Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality. It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. Hell, give 'em a few decades and the organization, I'm sure at some point people'd make marriage with animals legal, too.
Except the fact that homosexuality exists within the same species and bestiality does not. Sorry, but fucking another human being that happens to be of the same sex as you and fucking your neighbor's dog are two very different things.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
So...you know all the ins and outs of evolution? You know what the purpose of all the nerves and organs are? What's the appendix for? Why do we have so much more brain than we actually use? Why are some people black and some white? What's the purpose of blue eyes versus brown eyes?
Point being, don't presume to use "homsexuality is not evolutionarily compatible" until you are ready to explain exactly why it is not. There are plenty of aspects of evolution that are not understood. Homosexuality may have had purposes we haven't figured out. Maybe not. Maybe it was a dead end. Who knows. I don't and you for damn sure don't either.
I hate to break it to you, but there isn't really all that much difference between homosexuality and the others. (I'm not bashing homesexuality or anything, just trying to bring something to the light). The only real differences are that homosexuality is more acceptable in our culture than banging a horse, and the people behind it are organized and trying to do something. I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living. Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality. It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. Hell, give 'em a few decades and the organization, I'm sure at some point people'd make marriage with animals legal, too.
Except the fact that homosexuality exists within the same species and bestiality does not. Sorry, but fucking another human being that happens to be of the same sex as you and fucking your neighbor's dog are two very different things.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
I did pay attention, and I did read it. However I am not satisfied with the answer,in a way that I'm not convinced.
It is natural to get pleasure from sex, If homosexuals get pleasure from sex with males, how is that unnatural?
so men that find pleasure with dogs and horses are natural as well, ummmm......
another thing, not related to the first part of my post but something that I think should also be taken in consideration:
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Many species in nature have been observed as exhibiting homosexual behavior. In some primate species, males who are denied mating opportunities by stronger, more dominant males or males who are sexually immature will often be seen performing sexual acts to each other. Some may even continue this behavior long into adulthood."
yeah, cause if animals do it we should to, right? so all the females should kill the males of the species right after sex, cause some insects do it?
I hate to break it to you, but there isn't really all that much difference between homosexuality and the others. (I'm not bashing homesexuality or anything, just trying to bring something to the light). The only real differences are that homosexuality is more acceptable in our culture than banging a horse, and the people behind it are organized and trying to do something. I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living. Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality. It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. Hell, give 'em a few decades and the organization, I'm sure at some point people'd make marriage with animals legal, too.
Except the fact that homosexuality exists within the same species and bestiality does not. Sorry, but fucking another human being that happens to be of the same sex as you and fucking your neighbor's dog are two very different things.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.I did pay attention, and I did read it. However I am not satisfied with the answer,in a way that I'm not convinced.
It is natural to get pleasure from sex, If homosexuals get pleasure from sex with males, how is that unnatural?
another thing, not related to the first part of my post but something that I think should also be taken in consideration:
"
Many species in nature have been observed as exhibiting homosexual behavior. In some primate species, males who are denied mating opportunities by stronger, more dominant males or males who are sexually immature will often be seen performing sexual acts to each other. Some may even continue this behavior long into adulthood."People like bringing that up. You do realize we've established that homosexuality is at least deviant, and that's not what I'm arguing correct? And yes, by a biological standpoint, anyone (male or female) getting pleasure from someone sticking something up their bum isn't all that natural. You've missed my point completely, though. I'm not arguing about homosexuality being different, I'm arguing that it's no more or less different than bestiality or anything else.
Disclaimer: This is just a question and not meant to start any sort of bashing.
Why do so many (NOT ALL) gay, lesbian, alternative lifestyle, or whatever the PC term is want to announce to the world that they are living that type of life style.
I will expand this to include anyone who feels they need to let the world know how they act and what they believe in an overt manner. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with you if you are homosexual, have pride in your race or religion, but do I really need to know about it?
Some people are just like that; they seek attention. Others want to promote a cause and spread awareness of what they go through.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
The parade you are referring to was in Russia. Are you saying we in the West need to be more like Russia?
and if i do yell that? whats it to you, lol. i dont, but if i did? me personality is obvious, everyone else gets it, your the only one that doesnt seem to be with the program, eh? pacha? Actually, it seems I'm the only one that gets annoyed by people who pretend to be someone else. this should prolly tell you something about yourself.
and its not a matter of feeling the need to respect me, its a matter of harassing me at every chance you get in every thread i post in, thats blatant disrespect. up till now, ive been pretty tolerant of it, but im coming to the end of me patience with your constant badgering. frankly, i think that your a stupidass white BOY from a rich family. i think that your a homo yourself and thats why you feel so much hositility toward me and me opinion, i also think that youve had everything handed to you all your life and dont have any ideas of your own. youre prolly around 16-18 years old, flunking alot of your classes in high school because you spend too much time on the net and forums. and yes, you are definitely coming out looking like an ass that cant get a clue. and by definition, "being open to other peoples opinions" means that you dont critize their opinions and call them names at every chance you get. it also means you respect them and their rights to said opinions. you are, by definition, not open to other peoples opinion. thats your problem, not mine. in fact, im highly amused by how much of a dumbass you are proving yourself to be by continuely responding with dumbass comments that only a flippin retard would agree with. Because it is disrespect, what part of "I do not feel any need to show respect to you" did you not understand? I do not care if you lose your patience, Because I frown upon you and your constant need to put homosexuality in a bad daylight.A rich family? Handed everything your entire life? flunking classes? What in HEAVENS name does that have ANYTHING to do with this? Is this a JOKE? I am open to other people's opinions, UNLESS they are offensive, I criticize them. If you don't wish for other people to criticize, DO NOT POST IT ON A FORUM!. Want me to say it again? I look down upon you and your opinion about homosexuality, its simply DISGUSTING that you think its a disease. You think I'm a dumbass? Sir, you think Homosexuality is a disease even though its FACT that its not. Also, I'm not homo in any way or form. That is fact. Ofcourse, you never let facts stand in your way.
actually, the joke is that you dont get that i was doing exactly to you what you were doing and continue to do to me, lol. Oo and btw, ive been reading some of the other posts that have come into the thread since the start and i would have to agree, its not a desease in the traditional sense, its a disorder, i believe that i even cleared that up, but it doesnt fit in with your plan to bash me so you ignored it. gj. and just cause you say its FACT 50 times in the same post doesnt mean that its a fact, lol. last i checked you werent God, meaning you dont hold authority on FACT, lol. No you didn't sir, you did not point out that you changed your mind. Also, it has been proven by science.If there is evidence, its fact, simple like that. never said i changed me mind, this is an exact quote from me third post in this thread, "you cant catch depression either, but according to doctors, its a desease. mental disorder, whatever you wanna call it."
i did indeed change the way i referred to it. but you continued to say that i was calling it a desease. Yet your standpoint is still the same, as you proved here. again, i never claimed to change me standpoint, nor will i. so give it up.
notice that no one else has a problem with me having me own opinion. no one else is posting about it, you cant let it go, your ego wont let you, lol. im posting for amusement. youre posting to prove me an idiot. and since youre failing, youll prolly say something stupid like, im just posting for the same reason you are, or some shit like that.
lastly, what are the norms, dumbass? someone has already pointed this out, there are no norms. you have nothing to base your blatant disrespect and childish behavior on, so you nitpick on me name, me personality, me writing style. anything else youd like to point out about me that proves that im stupid and not deserving of respect? God forbid that youd actually read me posts and respond to them, no, no, no, a thousand times no.....you gotta talk about me personality, sig, avatar, writing style, and/or name. thats way more important, lol, what a retard, IMHO. <----dont get offended, its just me opinion, lol. Your just a very sad little man who still is trying to put homosexuality in bad daylight while at the same time trying to get a fictional character to be your next personality. I think your retarded and you sir, should receive a good kick in the ass. and if that is truly your opinion, fine, youre entitled to it, dumbass, lol. And thats comming from a person who believes in all kind of magical things *rolleyes* dont remember ever saying that i believed in all kinds of magical things, lol. now your just being silly. Really? I thought you were religious? lmao, so now all religious people believe in magic. youre just digging a huge hole for yourself. not that its going to matter, cause you just wanna argue, but believing in a supreme being != believing in magic fireballs, or healing spells and the like. but it doesnt matter, you just have to get your arguement fix, so go ahead, kid. make me day.
Disclaimer: This is just a question and not meant to start any sort of bashing.
Why do so many (NOT ALL) gay, lesbian, alternative lifestyle, or whatever the PC term is want to announce to the world that they are living that type of life style.
I will expand this to include anyone who feels they need to let the world know how they act and what they believe in an overt manner. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with you if you are homosexual, have pride in your race or religion, but do I really need to know about it?
Some people are just like that; they seek attention. Others want to promote a cause and spread awareness of what they go through.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
The parade you are referring to was in Russia. Are you saying we in the West need to be more like Russia?
I'm Russian and was in Russia visiting relatives when it happened. No, nowhere have I said that the West needs to be more like Russia, I am personally of the opinion that Russia needs to be more like the West.
The point of my thread was to show that people do not like being inconvenienced over bullshit. Would YOU like to plan an alternative route to class (or work) and waste your valuable time because of a gay parade? I know that I wouldn't. We don't need to know, I restate it again.
Disclaimer: This is just a question and not meant to start any sort of bashing.
Why do so many (NOT ALL) gay, lesbian, alternative lifestyle, or whatever the PC term is want to announce to the world that they are living that type of life style.
I will expand this to include anyone who feels they need to let the world know how they act and what they believe in an overt manner. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with you if you are homosexual, have pride in your race or religion, but do I really need to know about it?
Some people are just like that; they seek attention. Others want to promote a cause and spread awareness of what they go through.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
The parade you are referring to was in Russia. Are you saying we in the West need to be more like Russia?
I'm Russian and was in Russia visiting relatives when it happened. No, nowhere have I said that the West needs to be more like Russia, I am personally of the opinion that Russia needs to be more like the West.
The point of my thread was to show that people do not like being inconvenienced over bullshit. Would YOU like to plan an alternative route to class (or work) and waste your valuable time because of a gay parade? I know that I wouldn't. We don't need to know, I restate it again.ROFL...I'm sorry you had to plan a new route to work. Hope the skinheads don't kill too many gays this year. But as long as you get to work on time, I guess it'll be OK.
I hate to break it to you, but there isn't really all that much difference between homosexuality and the others. (I'm not bashing homesexuality or anything, just trying to bring something to the light). The only real differences are that homosexuality is more acceptable in our culture than banging a horse, and the people behind it are organized and trying to do something. I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living. Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality. It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. Hell, give 'em a few decades and the organization, I'm sure at some point people'd make marriage with animals legal, too.
Except the fact that homosexuality exists within the same species and bestiality does not. Sorry, but fucking another human being that happens to be of the same sex as you and fucking your neighbor's dog are two very different things.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
So...you know all the ins and outs of evolution? You know what the purpose of all the nerves and organs are? What's the appendix for? Why do we have so much more brain than we actually use? Why are some people black and some white? What's the purpose of blue eyes versus brown eyes?
Point being, don't presume to use "homsexuality is not evolutionarily compatible" until you are ready to explain exactly why it is not. There are plenty of aspects of evolution that are not understood. Homosexuality may have had purposes we haven't figured out. Maybe not. Maybe it was a dead end. Who knows. I don't and you for damn sure don't either.
I concede to not knowing this for a fact, but I belong to the school of logic, and, although it can't be proven without being omniprescient, it is a logical assumption. If you come up with a better reason, let me know.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.
Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
I did pay attention, and I did read it. However I am not satisfied with the answer,in a way that I'm not convinced.
It is natural to get pleasure from sex, If homosexuals get pleasure from sex with males, how is that unnatural?
so men that find pleasure with dogs and horses are natural as well, ummmm......
you have a point, but there is one diffrence. Horses don't have sex for pleasure, humans do
sooooo, its only natural if you get pleasure from it? some seriel killers expressed that they got pleasure from killing their victims, does that make it natural? or does your referance only apply to sex? also, how do you know they dont get pleasure from it, why do they hump your leg then? it sure as hell isnt to reproduce.
another thing, not related to the first part of my post but something that I think should also be taken in consideration:
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Many species in nature have been observed as exhibiting homosexual behavior. In some primate species, males who are denied mating opportunities by stronger, more dominant males or males who are sexually immature will often be seen performing sexual acts to each other. Some may even continue this behavior long into adulthood."
yeah, cause if animals do it we should to, right? so all the females should kill the males of the species right after sex, cause some insects do it?
My point was that we are not the only specie who shows signs of homosexuality.
and me point is that you cant use that arguement, because if you did, you would have to apply all the other things that animals do.
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Au contraire (sp? Damn frenchies) your statement is totally flawed based on one HUGE assumption. People view people with mental conditions as 'lesser' people. I for one know that I am not one of those people. A sufferer from one such condition myself (bet you can't guess which one - and for the record, Liberalism ISN'T a mental condition, so don't even try that one Outofctrl), and with many friends with everything from depression to MPD to *can't remember the real name* wanting to change sex, I don't view a single one of them as having anything 'negative' about them. So basically, even if you have no negative feeling toward gay people at all, there's no reason that you couldn't consider it a mental condition, and as such, that's my belief.
And note, every time you hear someone say "They're born that way", every child with Autism, Downes etc. etc. was born that way, and it's no different.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
Also to add, I wasn't aware animals had the ability to consent to sex with a person.
Where have I said it was completely natural? I haven't even used the word natural in this this thread yet up until the previous sentence.
What I did say is that they are two different things, which they are.
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I wonder why, when the vast majority of the psychiatric association took homosexuality from the disorder charts 30 years ago, kids should start to think they have the right to an opinion in the matter... when they dont have the expertise or even the knowledge, information and studies to contradict them.... When you don't know about something you just STFU and let the people who know best do the talking....
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The inability to reason from the homophobes on this thread is amazing. How does homosexuality (the attraction to adult members of your species of the same sex) have anything at all to do with bestiality (sexual intercourse with animals)?
By this logic, heterosexuality (an attraction to members of the opposite sex, within your species) is just as equal to bestiality.
Your argument, as illogical as it is, seems to be that-
Homosexuality is against nature.
Bestiality is against nature.
Therefore, homosexuality = bestiality.
Anyone with any ability to reason logically can explain to you how very incorrect this argument is.
As for the belief that homosexuality is against nature, it is found in every species studied. So you are left with only the argument that you and some other homophobes say it is against nature, without any proof whatsoever.
I was exactly the same.
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I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
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But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
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I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
So...you know all the ins and outs of evolution? You know what the purpose of all the nerves and organs are? What's the appendix for? Why do we have so much more brain than we actually use? Why are some people black and some white? What's the purpose of blue eyes versus brown eyes?
Point being, don't presume to use "homsexuality is not evolutionarily compatible" until you are ready to explain exactly why it is not. There are plenty of aspects of evolution that are not understood. Homosexuality may have had purposes we haven't figured out. Maybe not. Maybe it was a dead end. Who knows. I don't and you for damn sure don't either.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
I did pay attention, and I did read it. However I am not satisfied with the answer,in a way that I'm not convinced.
It is natural to get pleasure from sex, If homosexuals get pleasure from sex with males, how is that unnatural?
so men that find pleasure with dogs and horses are natural as well, ummmm......
another thing, not related to the first part of my post but something that I think should also be taken in consideration:
"
Many species in nature have been observed as exhibiting homosexual behavior. In some primate species, males who are denied mating opportunities by stronger, more dominant males or males who are sexually immature will often be seen performing sexual acts to each other. Some may even continue this behavior long into adulthood."
yeah, cause if animals do it we should to, right? so all the females should kill the males of the species right after sex, cause some insects do it?
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I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.I did pay attention, and I did read it. However I am not satisfied with the answer,in a way that I'm not convinced.
It is natural to get pleasure from sex, If homosexuals get pleasure from sex with males, how is that unnatural?
another thing, not related to the first part of my post but something that I think should also be taken in consideration:
"
Many species in nature have been observed as exhibiting homosexual behavior. In some primate species, males who are denied mating opportunities by stronger, more dominant males or males who are sexually immature will often be seen performing sexual acts to each other. Some may even continue this behavior long into adulthood."People like bringing that up. You do realize we've established that homosexuality is at least deviant, and that's not what I'm arguing correct? And yes, by a biological standpoint, anyone (male or female) getting pleasure from someone sticking something up their bum isn't all that natural. You've missed my point completely, though. I'm not arguing about homosexuality being different, I'm arguing that it's no more or less different than bestiality or anything else.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
The parade you are referring to was in Russia. Are you saying we in the West need to be more like Russia?
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But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
The parade you are referring to was in Russia. Are you saying we in the West need to be more like Russia?
I'm Russian and was in Russia visiting relatives when it happened. No, nowhere have I said that the West needs to be more like Russia, I am personally of the opinion that Russia needs to be more like the West.
The point of my thread was to show that people do not like being inconvenienced over bullshit. Would YOU like to plan an alternative route to class (or work) and waste your valuable time because of a gay parade? I know that I wouldn't. We don't need to know, I restate it again.
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But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
The parade you are referring to was in Russia. Are you saying we in the West need to be more like Russia?
I'm Russian and was in Russia visiting relatives when it happened. No, nowhere have I said that the West needs to be more like Russia, I am personally of the opinion that Russia needs to be more like the West.
The point of my thread was to show that people do not like being inconvenienced over bullshit. Would YOU like to plan an alternative route to class (or work) and waste your valuable time because of a gay parade? I know that I wouldn't. We don't need to know, I restate it again.ROFL...I'm sorry you had to plan a new route to work. Hope the skinheads don't kill too many gays this year. But as long as you get to work on time, I guess it'll be OK.
I would tend to disagree. While I don't put homosexuals on the same level as people who practice beastiality, both of them clearly go against what one could easily see is intended by nature. Just because homosexuality exists within the same species doesn't mean that it doesn't go against nature.
Yes, I'm saying that homosexuality is unnatural. You won't find me jumping onto the "God hates gays" bandwagon, because those people are morons. BUT, from both an evolutionary, and religious standpoint, homosexuality is unnatural. If you think that I need to explain why, then ask your parents to buy you a book on human anatomy...and then buy a book about natural selection.
I disagree with that. There is much more to sex then just producing babies. Pleasure, for example. or love. It only goes against one part of nature, and thats having babies.Homosexuality is simply a normal variation in the human condition. It occurs in every culture, in every age, and although a majority are heterosexual, just as some people are left handed, a minority is homosexual in their orientation
If you were paying attention, I already addressed the fact that we get pleasure out of it because of the fact that it prolongs our lineage. Evolution put those nerve endings there for a reason.
So...you know all the ins and outs of evolution? You know what the purpose of all the nerves and organs are? What's the appendix for? Why do we have so much more brain than we actually use? Why are some people black and some white? What's the purpose of blue eyes versus brown eyes?
Point being, don't presume to use "homsexuality is not evolutionarily compatible" until you are ready to explain exactly why it is not. There are plenty of aspects of evolution that are not understood. Homosexuality may have had purposes we haven't figured out. Maybe not. Maybe it was a dead end. Who knows. I don't and you for damn sure don't either.
I concede to not knowing this for a fact, but I belong to the school of logic, and, although it can't be proven without being omniprescient, it is a logical assumption. If you come up with a better reason, let me know.
I did pay attention, and I did read it. However I am not satisfied with the answer,in a way that I'm not convinced.
It is natural to get pleasure from sex, If homosexuals get pleasure from sex with males, how is that unnatural?
so men that find pleasure with dogs and horses are natural as well, ummmm......
you have a point, but there is one diffrence. Horses don't have sex for pleasure, humans do
sooooo, its only natural if you get pleasure from it? some seriel killers expressed that they got pleasure from killing their victims, does that make it natural? or does your referance only apply to sex? also, how do you know they dont get pleasure from it, why do they hump your leg then? it sure as hell isnt to reproduce.
another thing, not related to the first part of my post but something that I think should also be taken in consideration:
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Many species in nature have been observed as exhibiting homosexual behavior. In some primate species, males who are denied mating opportunities by stronger, more dominant males or males who are sexually immature will often be seen performing sexual acts to each other. Some may even continue this behavior long into adulthood."
yeah, cause if animals do it we should to, right? so all the females should kill the males of the species right after sex, cause some insects do it?
My point was that we are not the only specie who shows signs of homosexuality.
and me point is that you cant use that arguement, because if you did, you would have to apply all the other things that animals do.
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