Gameloading, normally your posts have some real sustanance. Now I really just want you to STFU. Your own arguments contradict eachother, plus your argument with PlanoMM is based on a flawed idea. Let me explain. You're complaining about PlanoMM having an opinion (which is his right) that offends people (though I see no reason for it to be offensive... I've never seen someone with cancer be offended to be told they have cancer... Diseases aren't insulting, they're medically based ideas. Having a disease doesn't make you anything less than anyone else). Yet you claim all religious people are clinically insane!!!!! And then that all religious people are silly!!!! Does that not strike you as 100% hypocritical?!?! If not, you need to re-evaluate... Well, life basically. Cancer and homosexuality are two complete diffrent things. If I would be a homosexual, I would take offense if someone said I was ill when its not a disease. Thats like saying someone who likes bungee jumping is ill because its not what other people like. I would personally take offense in that. I indeed think religious people are silly. To believe in something without a shred of evidence is in my eyes just plain silly.
People who like bungee jumping are not ill. But they do have a mental condition. It's called Thrill Seeking. Their mind needs LOTS of stimulation, such as a bungee jump or sky dive, to get the same release of adrenaline and endorphins that someone who was not a thrill seeker would get from something more simple like playing a computer game. This is the point I'm making. Noone would take offense at being told they have a mental condition which gives them a thrill seeking personality; you immediately assume though that a homosexual person would take offense at being told that the part of their brain that deals with sexual impulses requires those stimuli to come from someone of the same sex rather than the opposite sex for it to be pleasurable. Being right handed or left handed is also a mental condition. This is what you clearly don't understand. 'Mental condition' is used to describe any facet of the brain that works differently to that which another person possesses. Yet that is still something diffrent then it being called a "disease" or an "illness".
And you're arguing because you said he's allowed his opinion UNLESS it causes offense, but yet, you're allowed your opinion despite that it offends the very vast majority of humans on the planet??? How the f*ck does that work?? And there is evidence for their beliefs btw. It comes in the fact that there is no other explanation for such things as the creation of the world and the 'Sacred Ratio' (or whatever you like to call it). Also it comes in the eye-witness testimonys to evidence of religious significance (eye-witness testimony is evidence... And to an extent, is proof also, as otherwise your so-called 'facts' based on other people's studies are false by definition because they are based on eye-witness testimony). And there is also evidence surfacing now that it is a NATURAL PART OF THE HUMAN BRAIN (same as being gay or straight) to have faith in God/a greater being. It's by no means conclusive, but it's still there to an extent. Point is, please stop being hypocritical. He is fully allowed to post his opinion, but if that opinion is offensive to other people, then it is to be expected that people will take offense in it and will write a reply to his, which can be offensive. When I posted that part, I expect people to comment on it, post about it, or take offense from it. Thats why you don't see me post "Don't reply on it because its my opinion". I posted it,I made it public, and that was my decision. thats why I am open to it if people reply in an offensive manner to it. If I wanted people not to reply on it, I would not have posted it.
Now, your argument with PlanoMM fails on two counts. Firstly, that having a disease is NOT AN INSULTING TERM. I've never heard someone say "HAHAHAH! You F*CKING TARD! YOU HAVE LUNG CANCER!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!"... Having a disease is only bad medically (i.e. for your health), nothing else... And secondly... The fact that facts aren't facts. Nothing can be proven outright, and counter-evidence can always one day arrive and make us rewrite a 'law of science/nature' or a 'mathematical fact'. The only thing you can be sure of is that you are real. Even if from your perspective what is 'proven' is actually fact, that doesn't mean that it's not all been fixed to provide those results, or even that you're living in the Matrix. Get a f*cking clue! If you're gonna try and argue 'facts', you have to understand that NOTHING IS A FACT.
I explained the first part of the second part of your post above. Counter evidence indeed can arrive, its a possibility. Yet its very slim, and there is very evidence right now, enough to claim it as a fact. A lack of counter-evidence does not make something fact. Everything is forever theoretical, and imho nothing should ever be expressed as fact outside of mathematics and semantics. When Steven Hawkin published his theory on Black Holes breaking the laws of Thermodynamics, all of his mathematics and science stood up to total scrutiny and were infallable. It was still a theory however, it wasn't fact just because noone could disprove it at the time. Since then, based on the quarrel over the laws of information conservation, his new theory on Multi-verses has been published, which is a counter-theory to that of his first theory. Neither are facts though, even though neither can be disproved mathematically, and noone voices them as fact either. With evidence like this, I believe it is silly to think otherwise when you have so many things go against it. But anyway, we're completely dragging this topic off-topic, and I have to prepare for work now. Discussion take too much time heh Damnit, must be in the wrong forum again! I thought this was the off-topic forum :P *sorry, couldn't resist*
Now that we've got that out the way, how about you two quit arguing and agree to disagree? PLEASE!
"I think your a friggin moron that should be shot. Do not take offense from it, because its my opinion. originally posted by Gameloading on page 3.
Thats why you don't see me post "Don't reply on it because its my opinion". originally posted by Gameloading on page 6.
ummmm.......just one of many circles you were talking yourself in. i gotta go to work as well, so i really am done now, but its so funny to read some of your posts. im just glad i wasnt the only one that caught on to it.
You're mixing two separate arguments. Homosexuality is deviant merely because it follows the definition of deviant.
Sure, we could argue whether it's deviant or not, but why? So what if it is deviant?
"a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm."
The accepted norm is popular opinion/belief based on culture, society, and religion. That does NOT make it the truth.
This is exactly my point and what I was trying to express earlier.
Then aren't most of us deviant? I certainly do a number of things in life that aren't the accepted norm. I used to sleep without a pillow for years. That isn't in the majority, and isn't the accepted norm. My father eats mac and cheese with ketchup. That's certainly different and not the accepted norm. So we're both deviants. Heck, I'm sure you're a deviant yourself. And before you say mac and cheese is different than homosexuality, I'll say to you that you stated something is deviant, "merely because it follows the definition of deviant."
Well then, I most certainly am a deviant then in that case.
So what's that supposed to mean? We're all different (and deviants) in our own ways so what's your point?
Without deviance the world would be static. No one would ever step out of line, and no one would ever try to change how we see things. We'd all go about our lives in the same way, every day. Anything else would just be deviant and we certainly wouldn't want that, would we?
"I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living."
According to religion. There's no concrete facts for either side of the coin when it comes to religion so you can't use that as an argument if you want to discuss facts. This is why I'm agnostic (not to be confused with an atheist.)
Humans over the years (if you've noticed) have realized that it can be used as more. It's a way to both receive and give pleasure to someone, and you don't have to go into it with the plan to have children. Not to mention the health benefits that include reduced stress, increase in oxidation, reduced chances of depression and heart disease, and reduced cholesterol. You say evolution says it should be a certain way, but I clearly pointed out earlier that the anus is an erogenous zone so how exactly does that make sense if evolution dictates what is natural and what isn't?
"Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality."
Last I checked homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society than bestiality.
"It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. "
No, religion and parts of society said homosexuality is bad. Then some of us woke up and realized that it's not the end of the world and it's not a simple black and white issue for anyone to disregard. Hence the reason society has shifted and become more accepting of homosexuals over time.
I also brought up the point that I wasn't aware animals could consent to sex with humans like other humans could.
Originally posted by necrotherion Originally posted by WantsumBier Disclaimer: This is just a question and not meant to start any sort of bashing. Why do so many (NOT ALL) gay, lesbian, alternative lifestyle, or whatever the PC term is want to announce to the world that they are living that type of life style. I will expand this to include anyone who feels they need to let the world know how they act and what they believe in an overt manner. Dont get me wrong, I have no problem with you if you are homosexual, have pride in your race or religion, but do I really need to know about it?
Some people are just like that; they seek attention. Others want to promote a cause and spread awareness of what they go through.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
That's good to hear. As long as it's unwelcomed, maybe gays will get the hint to just stay in the U.S. and UK. At least Russia isn't jumping on the latest liberal trend.
If those guys that stomped that parade have a website, e-mail it to me, I donate my money to these efforts. Thanks.
You're mixing two separate arguments. Homosexuality is deviant merely because it follows the definition of deviant.
Sure, we could argue whether it's deviant or not, but why? So what if it is deviant?
"a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm."
The accepted norm is popular opinion/belief based on culture, society, and religion. That does NOT make it the truth.
This is exactly my point and what I was trying to express earlier.
Then aren't most of us deviant? I certainly do a number of things in life that aren't the accepted norm. I used to sleep without a pillow for years. That isn't in the majority, and isn't the accepted norm. My father eats mac and cheese with ketchup. That's certainly different and not the accepted norm. So we're both deviants. Heck, I'm sure you're a deviant yourself. And before you say mac and cheese is different than homosexuality, I'll say to you that you stated something is deviant, "merely because it follows the definition of deviant."
Well then, I most certainly am a deviant then in that case.
So what's that supposed to mean? We're all different (and deviants) in our own ways so what's your point?
Without deviance the world would be static. No one would ever step out of line, and no one would ever try to change how we see things. We'd all go about our lives in the same way, every day. Anything else would just be deviant and we certainly wouldn't want that, would we?
"I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living."
According to religion. There's no concrete facts for either side of the coin when it comes to religion so you can't use that as an argument if you want to discuss facts. This is why I'm agnostic (not to be confused with an atheist.)
Humans over the years (if you've noticed) have realized that it can be used as more. It's a way to both receive and give pleasure to someone, and you don't have to go into it with the plan to have children. Not to mention the health benefits that include reduced stress, increase in oxidation, reduced chances of depression and heart disease, and reduced cholesterol. You say evolution says it should be a certain way, but I clearly pointed out earlier that the anus is an erogenous zone so how exactly does that make sense if evolution dictates what is natural and what isn't?
"Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality."
Last I checked homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society than bestiality.
"It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. "
No, religion and parts of society said homosexuality is bad. Then some of us woke up and realized that it's not the end of the world and it's not a simple black and white issue for anyone to disregard. Hence the reason society has shifted and become more accepting of homosexuals over time.
I also brought up the point that I wasn't aware animals could consent to sex with humans like other humans could.
Yet again, my point has nothing to do with what else is deviant. And, with "homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society" is part of the point I was trying to get at. Also part of my original point, homosexuals actually doing something about it and making it apparant that there are alot of them, and make it more accepted. I'd go on all night about consent and what exactly it means, but I'm tired, and frankly, bored of arguing with you. Goodnight.
Yet again, my point has nothing to do with what else is deviant. And, with "homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society" is part of the point I was trying to get at. Also part of my original point, homosexuals actually doing something about it and making it apparant that there are alot of them, and make it more accepted. I'd go on all night about consent and what exactly it means, but I'm tired, and frankly, bored of arguing with you. Goodnight.
Consent - to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield: He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented.
If you want to debate the definition feel free to.
"I'm not arguing about homosexuality being different, I'm arguing that it's no more or less different than bestiality or anything else."
So once again, how is a human-human sexual relationship more or less the same thing as a human-horse sexual relationship? Still waiting for a good answer to that one.
I'm simply discussing the matter, sharing my thoughts, bringing up your points and responding to them. We were having what you call a conversation. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and elaborate on where I'm coming from. So please don't disregard all of that with the old "I'm tired and bored" routine. I've seen it enough and used it in the past to know it's just a silly way to get out of a conversation.
Yet again, my point has nothing to do with what else is deviant. And, with "homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society" is part of the point I was trying to get at. Also part of my original point, homosexuals actually doing something about it and making it apparant that there are alot of them, and make it more accepted. I'd go on all night about consent and what exactly it means, but I'm tired, and frankly, bored of arguing with you. Goodnight.
Consent - to permit, approve, or agree; comply or yield: He consented to the proposal. We asked her permission, and she consented.
If you want to debate the definition feel free to.
"I'm not arguing about homosexuality being different, I'm arguing that it's no more or less different than bestiality or anything else."
So once again, how is a human-human sexual relationship more or less the same thing as a human-horse sexual relationship? Still waiting for a good answer to that one.
I'm simply discussing the matter, sharing my thoughts, bringing up your points and responding to them. We were having what you call a conversation. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and elaborate on where I'm coming from. So please don't disregard all of that with the old "I'm tired and bored" routine. I've seen it enough and used it in the past to know it's just a silly way to get out of a conversation.
More or less the same thing? Well some people literally love their animals more than they love other human beings. Some people develop stronger feelings toward the animal kingdom and less towards the human race. It happens but I don't want to know why or how personally. You would be better off asking a pyschologist, unless you are a Scientologist, then you could get about 3 billion ours of auditing to help you love the human race again.
Its basically about attention. If people dont get the response they feel they deserve they lash out and claim everyone hates them.
Its like yelling fire in a crowded theater, if noone pays attention to them and continues watching the movie they get pissed. If they start getting in peoples faces and yelling fire then people have no choice but to try to defend themselves. Some would stay and keep arguing with the person and others would just leave the movie theater.
I don't care if you just came out of the closet or some portal from another dimension. Get over yourself, you are a human being just like everybody else but if you constantly are telling me your business in my face its just TMI.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
"I think your a friggin moron that should be shot. Do not take offense from it, because its my opinion. originally posted by Gameloading on page 3. Thats why you don't see me post "Don't reply on it because its my opinion". originally posted by Gameloading on page 6. ummmm.......just one of many circles you were talking yourself in. i gotta go to work as well, so i really am done now, but its so funny to read some of your posts. im just glad i wasnt the only one that caught on to it.
You REALLY couldn't see that first part was an example of your behavior? it was an example, as it is the same thing as you posting"I think all homosexuals are sick. Don't take offense out of it because its my opinion" Wow man...you REALLY didn't get it, do you? Why do you think I put it between """ ?
A word of advice to you. Don't call people dumbass, especialy when you can't even see something simple as this. its just hilarious actually.
the first part was your opinion of me, reread it, dumbass. go back to page 3 and reread your own comments, i took nothing out of context. me bahavior hasnt changed throughout the entire thread, yours has. and i never posted "i think all homosexuals are sick", show me where i posted that anywhere. and i never said, "Dont take offence out of it because its my opinion". you said that, not me. i figured that it might offend some people, thats why i didnt want to get into it. but you couldnt let it go, you just had to drag this convo out and make it all about it being a desease that you could catch, which btw, ive never said. and the second one you put in "" because you were saying that you never posted whats between the quotes, but you did, that was me point. youve been talking in circles the entire thread, and im not the only one that noticed it. youve even been called on it by someone else, and you argued with him for 2 pages about it as well.......see the pattern?
and as far as your advice, you are the last person on this forum that should be giving out advice.......................dumbass. and yes this arguement is hilarious, this is the most fun ive had in days.
"I think your a friggin moron that should be shot. Do not take offense from it, because its my opinion. originally posted by Gameloading on page 3. Thats why you don't see me post "Don't reply on it because its my opinion". originally posted by Gameloading on page 6. ummmm.......just one of many circles you were talking yourself in. i gotta go to work as well, so i really am done now, but its so funny to read some of your posts. im just glad i wasnt the only one that caught on to it.
You REALLY couldn't see that first part was an example of your behavior? it was an example, as it is the same thing as you posting"I think all homosexuals are sick. Don't take offense out of it because its my opinion" Wow man...you REALLY didn't get it, do you? Why do you think I put it between """ ?
A word of advice to you. Don't call people dumbass, especialy when you can't even see something simple as this. its just hilarious actually.
the first part was your opinion of me, reread it, dumbass. go back to page 3 and reread your own comments, i took nothing out of context. me bahavior hasnt changed throughout the entire thread, yours has. and i never posted "i think all homosexuals are sick", show me where i posted that anywhere. and i never said, "Dont take offence out of it because its my opinion". you said that, not me. i figured that it might offend some people, thats why i didnt want to get into it. but you couldnt let it go, you just had to drag this convo out and make it all about it being a desease that you could catch, which btw, ive never said. and the second one you put in "" because you were saying that you never posted whats between the quotes, but you did, that was me point. youve been talking in circles the entire thread, and im not the only one that noticed it. youve even been called on it by someone else, and you argued with him for 2 pages about it as well.......see the pattern?
and as far as your advice, you are the last person on this forum that should be giving out advice.......................dumbass. and yes this arguement is hilarious, this is the most fun ive had in days.
wow, i cant compete with your arguements so ill just call you dumb and moron and such to make myself feel better about me.
thats what i thought, lol.
btw, you werent being sarcastic, you were being a dick, plain and simple. everyone knows it, you even know it.
I never understand why people get so worked up over these topics?
Who cares what gay people are doing?
Who cares what anyone is doing?
Do you think it's gross? Great, but why does that give you a right to deny them their feelings?
I think it's gross that people eat squid but I'm not going to tell them they can't eat it.
That's the problem with this world, people spend too much of their time and energy telling other people what they can and can't do.
I say WHO CARES!
If doesn't change my life or the way I live so why should I care?
If someone wanted to marry their horse by all means let them do it. I doesn't matter, it's not my business what these people do with each other.
If they want to get married let them get married. It doesn't make your marriage any less valid.
If it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you have to approve of it. You just have to tolerarte it. Not everyone has your belief, and not everyone is going to approve of your lifestyle. We all just have to be civil with each other, that doesn't mean we have to like each other.
If you don't like pride parades, ignore them!
I don't care if you're Irish, Spanish, Black, Italian, Chinese, Greek or gay - march all you want.
I never understand why people get so worked up over these topics? Who cares what gay people are doing? Who cares what anyone is doing? Do you think it's gross? Great, but why does that give you a right to deny them their feelings? I think it's gross that people eat squid but I'm not going to tell them they can't eat it. That's the problem with this world, people spend too much of their time and energy telling other people what they can and can't do. I say WHO CARES! If doesn't change my life or the way I live so why should I care? If someone wanted to marry their horse by all means let them do it. I doesn't matter, it's not my business what these people do with each other. If they want to get married let them get married. It doesn't make your marriage any less valid. If it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you have to approve of it. You just have to tolerarte it. Not everyone has your belief, and not everyone is going to approve of your lifestyle. We all just have to be civil with each other, that doesn't mean we have to like each other. If you don't like pride parades, ignore them! I don't care if you're Irish, Spanish, Black, Italian, Chinese, Greek or gay - march all you want.
But, why do they have to distrupt people and publically say theyre gay? like what you said about people who like squid. but, They dont go around screaming throughout teh restaurant "I love squid! I love squid!!" They simply order it and eat it.
I never understand why people get so worked up over these topics? Who cares what gay people are doing? Who cares what anyone is doing? Do you think it's gross? Great, but why does that give you a right to deny them their feelings? I think it's gross that people eat squid but I'm not going to tell them they can't eat it. That's the problem with this world, people spend too much of their time and energy telling other people what they can and can't do. I say WHO CARES! If doesn't change my life or the way I live so why should I care? If someone wanted to marry their horse by all means let them do it. I doesn't matter, it's not my business what these people do with each other. If they want to get married let them get married. It doesn't make your marriage any less valid. If it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you have to approve of it. You just have to tolerarte it. Not everyone has your belief, and not everyone is going to approve of your lifestyle. We all just have to be civil with each other, that doesn't mean we have to like each other. If you don't like pride parades, ignore them! I don't care if you're Irish, Spanish, Black, Italian, Chinese, Greek or gay - march all you want.
I never understand why people get so worked up over these topics? Who cares what gay people are doing? Who cares what anyone is doing? Do you think it's gross? Great, but why does that give you a right to deny them their feelings? I think it's gross that people eat squid but I'm not going to tell them they can't eat it. That's the problem with this world, people spend too much of their time and energy telling other people what they can and can't do. I say WHO CARES! If doesn't change my life or the way I live so why should I care? If someone wanted to marry their horse by all means let them do it. I doesn't matter, it's not my business what these people do with each other. If they want to get married let them get married. It doesn't make your marriage any less valid. If it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you have to approve of it. You just have to tolerarte it. Not everyone has your belief, and not everyone is going to approve of your lifestyle. We all just have to be civil with each other, that doesn't mean we have to like each other. If you don't like pride parades, ignore them! I don't care if you're Irish, Spanish, Black, Italian, Chinese, Greek or gay - march all you want.
But, why do they have to distrupt people and publically say theyre gay? like what you said about people who like squid. but, They dont go around screaming throughout teh restaurant "I love squid! I love squid!!" They simply order it and eat it.
What's funny is I have never heard about or seen a gay pride parade and I live in New York. The only way you'll really hear about it is if you go out of your way to look for it. It seems every day there is another parade for something, and if someone wants to be proud of who they are whether it be Hispanic, Jewish, Chinese or Irish then by all means go ahead and march. It happens once a year - for me that isn't a big deal.
The only parade that drives me crazy is that damn Thanksgiving Day parade - the entire city has to shut down for it.
That's what I don't like about some gays. It's not what they do in the bedroom(it's really non of my buisness), but it's that they have to be so in your face about it, and when you express discomfort about it being like that, you're a homophobe neo-nazi prejudistic bastard.
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"a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm."
The accepted norm is popular opinion/belief based on culture, society, and religion. That does NOT make it the truth.
"I think your a friggin moron that should be shot. Do not take offense from it, because its my opinion. originally posted by Gameloading on page 3.
Thats why you don't see me post "Don't reply on it because its my opinion". originally posted by Gameloading on page 6.
ummmm.......just one of many circles you were talking yourself in. i gotta go to work as well, so i really am done now, but its so funny to read some of your posts. im just glad i wasnt the only one that caught on to it.
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"a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm."
The accepted norm is popular opinion/belief based on culture, society, and religion. That does NOT make it the truth.
This is exactly my point and what I was trying to express earlier.
"a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm."
The accepted norm is popular opinion/belief based on culture, society, and religion. That does NOT make it the truth.
This is exactly my point and what I was trying to express earlier.
Then aren't most of us deviant? I certainly do a number of things in life that aren't the accepted norm. I used to sleep without a pillow for years. That isn't in the majority, and isn't the accepted norm. My father eats mac and cheese with ketchup. That's certainly different and not the accepted norm. So we're both deviants. Heck, I'm sure you're a deviant yourself. And before you say mac and cheese is different than homosexuality, I'll say to you that you stated something is deviant, "merely because it follows the definition of deviant."
Well then, I most certainly am a deviant then in that case.
So what's that supposed to mean? We're all different (and deviants) in our own ways so what's your point?
Without deviance the world would be static. No one would ever step out of line, and no one would ever try to change how we see things. We'd all go about our lives in the same way, every day. Anything else would just be deviant and we certainly wouldn't want that, would we?
"I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living."
According to religion. There's no concrete facts for either side of the coin when it comes to religion so you can't use that as an argument if you want to discuss facts. This is why I'm agnostic (not to be confused with an atheist.)
Humans over the years (if you've noticed) have realized that it can be used as more. It's a way to both receive and give pleasure to someone, and you don't have to go into it with the plan to have children. Not to mention the health benefits that include reduced stress, increase in oxidation, reduced chances of depression and heart disease, and reduced cholesterol. You say evolution says it should be a certain way, but I clearly pointed out earlier that the anus is an erogenous zone so how exactly does that make sense if evolution dictates what is natural and what isn't?
"Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality."
Last I checked homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society than bestiality.
"It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. "
No, religion and parts of society said homosexuality is bad. Then some of us woke up and realized that it's not the end of the world and it's not a simple black and white issue for anyone to disregard. Hence the reason society has shifted and become more accepting of homosexuals over time.
I also brought up the point that I wasn't aware animals could consent to sex with humans like other humans could.
But is it worth causing a parade to disconvienience others? NO. Learn OTHER forms of getting to people. Actually, I'd be happy if they STFU altogether. Christmas parades are allright in NA because most of the population is Christian and would therefore appreciate such a celebration. Gay parades reach out to a few, inconvenience everyone, and some people are downright scared of gays. They should not be allowed to take place.
To back that, in Europe recently, an attempt at a gay parade was shut down as a bunch of skinheads tore the place up and gangbeat a few of the would-be participants. (This parade was illegal as all applications for an official one had been turned down).
No one wants to know about random people's sexual preferences. Not only does it bring downright nasty images to mind for most people, it also inconveniences everyone.
Putting race and religion aside (as that's something to actually be proud of, no matter what race or religion you are), no, we don't need to know, and we don't want to know, so stfu before we throw off your wussy little parades that appeal to pre-pubescent girls obsessed with yaoi and gay little boys.
That's good to hear. As long as it's unwelcomed, maybe gays will get the hint to just stay in the U.S. and UK. At least Russia isn't jumping on the latest liberal trend.
If those guys that stomped that parade have a website, e-mail it to me, I donate my money to these efforts. Thanks.
"a person or thing that deviates or departs markedly from the accepted norm."
The accepted norm is popular opinion/belief based on culture, society, and religion. That does NOT make it the truth.
This is exactly my point and what I was trying to express earlier.
Then aren't most of us deviant? I certainly do a number of things in life that aren't the accepted norm. I used to sleep without a pillow for years. That isn't in the majority, and isn't the accepted norm. My father eats mac and cheese with ketchup. That's certainly different and not the accepted norm. So we're both deviants. Heck, I'm sure you're a deviant yourself. And before you say mac and cheese is different than homosexuality, I'll say to you that you stated something is deviant, "merely because it follows the definition of deviant."
Well then, I most certainly am a deviant then in that case.
So what's that supposed to mean? We're all different (and deviants) in our own ways so what's your point?
Without deviance the world would be static. No one would ever step out of line, and no one would ever try to change how we see things. We'd all go about our lives in the same way, every day. Anything else would just be deviant and we certainly wouldn't want that, would we?
"I mean, sex exists for the race to mix up the line, and continue living."
According to religion. There's no concrete facts for either side of the coin when it comes to religion so you can't use that as an argument if you want to discuss facts. This is why I'm agnostic (not to be confused with an atheist.)
Humans over the years (if you've noticed) have realized that it can be used as more. It's a way to both receive and give pleasure to someone, and you don't have to go into it with the plan to have children. Not to mention the health benefits that include reduced stress, increase in oxidation, reduced chances of depression and heart disease, and reduced cholesterol. You say evolution says it should be a certain way, but I clearly pointed out earlier that the anus is an erogenous zone so how exactly does that make sense if evolution dictates what is natural and what isn't?
"Regarding this, homosexuality is as deviant as bestiality."
Last I checked homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society than bestiality.
"It seems drastically different, but that's only because how we've all been taught that bestiality is a horrible thing to do. "
No, religion and parts of society said homosexuality is bad. Then some of us woke up and realized that it's not the end of the world and it's not a simple black and white issue for anyone to disregard. Hence the reason society has shifted and become more accepting of homosexuals over time.
I also brought up the point that I wasn't aware animals could consent to sex with humans like other humans could.
Yet again, my point has nothing to do with what else is deviant. And, with "homosexuality is a lot more accepted in society" is part of the point I was trying to get at. Also part of my original point, homosexuals actually doing something about it and making it apparant that there are alot of them, and make it more accepted. I'd go on all night about consent and what exactly it means, but I'm tired, and frankly, bored of arguing with you. Goodnight.
If you want to debate the definition feel free to.
"I'm not arguing about homosexuality being different, I'm arguing that it's no more or less different than bestiality or anything else."
So once again, how is a human-human sexual relationship more or less the same thing as a human-horse sexual relationship? Still waiting for a good answer to that one.
I'm simply discussing the matter, sharing my thoughts, bringing up your points and responding to them. We were having what you call a conversation. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and elaborate on where I'm coming from. So please don't disregard all of that with the old "I'm tired and bored" routine. I've seen it enough and used it in the past to know it's just a silly way to get out of a conversation.
If you want to debate the definition feel free to.
"I'm not arguing about homosexuality being different, I'm arguing that it's no more or less different than bestiality or anything else."
So once again, how is a human-human sexual relationship more or less the same thing as a human-horse sexual relationship? Still waiting for a good answer to that one.
I'm simply discussing the matter, sharing my thoughts, bringing up your points and responding to them. We were having what you call a conversation. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from and elaborate on where I'm coming from. So please don't disregard all of that with the old "I'm tired and bored" routine. I've seen it enough and used it in the past to know it's just a silly way to get out of a conversation.
More or less the same thing? Well some people literally love their animals more than they love other human beings. Some people develop stronger feelings toward the animal kingdom and less towards the human race. It happens but I don't want to know why or how personally. You would be better off asking a pyschologist, unless you are a Scientologist, then you could get about 3 billion ours of auditing to help you love the human race again.
Its basically about attention. If people dont get the response they feel they deserve they lash out and claim everyone hates them.
Its like yelling fire in a crowded theater, if noone pays attention to them and continues watching the movie they get pissed. If they start getting in peoples faces and yelling fire then people have no choice but to try to defend themselves. Some would stay and keep arguing with the person and others would just leave the movie theater.
I don't care if you just came out of the closet or some portal from another dimension. Get over yourself, you are a human being just like everybody else but if you constantly are telling me your business in my face its just TMI.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
A word of advice to you. Don't call people dumbass, especialy when you can't even see something simple as this. its just hilarious actually.
the first part was your opinion of me, reread it, dumbass. go back to page 3 and reread your own comments, i took nothing out of context. me bahavior hasnt changed throughout the entire thread, yours has. and i never posted "i think all homosexuals are sick", show me where i posted that anywhere. and i never said, "Dont take offence out of it because its my opinion". you said that, not me. i figured that it might offend some people, thats why i didnt want to get into it. but you couldnt let it go, you just had to drag this convo out and make it all about it being a desease that you could catch, which btw, ive never said. and the second one you put in "" because you were saying that you never posted whats between the quotes, but you did, that was me point. youve been talking in circles the entire thread, and im not the only one that noticed it. youve even been called on it by someone else, and you argued with him for 2 pages about it as well.......see the pattern?
and as far as your advice, you are the last person on this forum that should be giving out advice.......................dumbass. and yes this arguement is hilarious, this is the most fun ive had in days.
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A word of advice to you. Don't call people dumbass, especialy when you can't even see something simple as this. its just hilarious actually.
the first part was your opinion of me, reread it, dumbass. go back to page 3 and reread your own comments, i took nothing out of context. me bahavior hasnt changed throughout the entire thread, yours has. and i never posted "i think all homosexuals are sick", show me where i posted that anywhere. and i never said, "Dont take offence out of it because its my opinion". you said that, not me. i figured that it might offend some people, thats why i didnt want to get into it. but you couldnt let it go, you just had to drag this convo out and make it all about it being a desease that you could catch, which btw, ive never said. and the second one you put in "" because you were saying that you never posted whats between the quotes, but you did, that was me point. youve been talking in circles the entire thread, and im not the only one that noticed it. youve even been called on it by someone else, and you argued with him for 2 pages about it as well.......see the pattern?
and as far as your advice, you are the last person on this forum that should be giving out advice.......................dumbass. and yes this arguement is hilarious, this is the most fun ive had in days.
wow, i cant compete with your arguements so ill just call you dumb and moron and such to make myself feel better about me.
thats what i thought, lol.
btw, you werent being sarcastic, you were being a dick, plain and simple. everyone knows it, you even know it.
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I never understand why people get so worked up over these topics?
Who cares what gay people are doing?
Who cares what anyone is doing?
Do you think it's gross? Great, but why does that give you a right to deny them their feelings?
I think it's gross that people eat squid but I'm not going to tell them they can't eat it.
That's the problem with this world, people spend too much of their time and energy telling other people what they can and can't do.
I say WHO CARES!
If doesn't change my life or the way I live so why should I care?
If someone wanted to marry their horse by all means let them do it. I doesn't matter, it's not my business what these people do with each other.
If they want to get married let them get married. It doesn't make your marriage any less valid.
If it's against your religion, it doesn't mean you have to approve of it. You just have to tolerarte it. Not everyone has your belief, and not everyone is going to approve of your lifestyle. We all just have to be civil with each other, that doesn't mean we have to like each other.
If you don't like pride parades, ignore them!
I don't care if you're Irish, Spanish, Black, Italian, Chinese, Greek or gay - march all you want.
QFE
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What's funny is I have never heard about or seen a gay pride parade and I live in New York. The only way you'll really hear about it is if you go out of your way to look for it. It seems every day there is another parade for something, and if someone wants to be proud of who they are whether it be Hispanic, Jewish, Chinese or Irish then by all means go ahead and march. It happens once a year - for me that isn't a big deal.
The only parade that drives me crazy is that damn Thanksgiving Day parade - the entire city has to shut down for it.
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You already have one, they just march under a different name - it's called neo-nazism
You already have one, they just march under a different name - it's called neo-nazism
what the hell!? where do you get that im a neo-nazi? i said white straight CHRISTIAN. think your trying to start something here.
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You already have one, they just march under a different name - it's called neo-nazism
what the hell!? where do you get that im a neo-nazi? i said white straight CHRISTIAN. think your trying to start something here.
I wasn't being serious. Sorry if my sarcasm was lost.
I just meant your typical white-supremacist is a straight white christian man.