warhammer have been many years before wow..also from 1983.. remember warhammer action toys ? warhammer risk? warhammer trade cards? warhammer cartoons? well.. wow is boring crap with raiding sicknes ...but if you want it is ok to spend all your time on raids as i did... now i sold my wow account and it feels fantastic! im free:D anyway wow have stealed many many creatures from warhammer.....SPECIALY BURNING CRUSADE stealed all armor sets from warhammer/mortal combat! look on warlock set....looks almost same as chaos from war and if you see mask tier 3 rogue well? zub zero like???all new sets is ideas from other games.... wow is clone...and blizzard....they was very good...i loved them...they was the best...but.. now they only leaching money from theyr players....all about money now.. money money money they piss on you..they piss on theyr game...they licks theyr money ..when/if D3 coming ofc il buy it...but i hope blizzard stop this money leaching and start think about theyr game...theyr own fantasy.. so plz dont say warhammer is a clone of wow... that just making me sick ><
"EA/Mythic may not see the numbers that Blizzard had but after witnessing all of the immature children that have tainted the gameplay in WoW, I am positive that I don't want 7 million people playing WAR"
I'm with you on that one. I hope WAR keeps the kids away. I am sooo amped for the release of WAR it isn't even funny! I've been a fan of Warhammer since it's first title was released for the playstation in the mid - late 90's.
I've played WoW and I thought it was hilarious how peaceful the land is when you start off as an Orc or Troll. It was kind of hard to take the game seriously after seeing butterflies fluttering about. No matter what the WoW fanboi has to say, Warhammer has a huge fanbase going back at least a decade. People will play WAR by the masses because Mythic will give the warhammer diehards everything we'd hope for!
"EA/Mythic may not see the numbers that Blizzard had but after witnessing all of the immature children that have tainted the gameplay in WoW, I am positive that I don't want 7 million people playing WAR" I'm with you on that one. I hope WAR keeps the kids away. I am sooo amped for the release of WAR it isn't even funny! I've been a fan of Warhammer since it's first title was released for the playstation in the mid - late 90's. I've played WoW and I thought it was hilarious how peaceful the land is when you start off as an Orc or Troll. It was kind of hard to take the game seriously after seeing butterflies fluttering about. No matter what the WoW fanboi has to say, Warhammer has a huge fanbase going back at least a decade. People will play WAR by the masses because Mythic will give the warhammer diehards everything we'd hope for!
very very good said! myself i love warhammer series:) hope see ya ingame when game coming for us:)) stil long waiting time ;'(
I haven't really posted on the WAR forums before, and after seeing some of the responses to the OP in this thread...I was quite hesitant to. If those responses are at all telling about the Community that WAR will have, I'll definately be passing on it by that notion alone.
After saying that... I have questions.
Having read a number (but not all) of the responses and threads about the subject of "WoW Clone-ishness(ery)" the only responses I've seen are in terms of "Lore", "Feel", and "Who Coppied Who". My question is...what about the gameplay and mechanics? What about it's PvE concerns? Raiding? MUDflation mechanisms? etc Because quite frankly, this game could be based ont he godfather of all things that are fun, but if I'm standing in a Mountain City because it's the only one that has an auctionhouse, spamming General chat for LFG for an instance group because my guild can't raid due to a timer so I can't get leet purples...well. That's WoW no matter how you cut it....whether there are Orcs or Fluffy Bunnies.
How is this game bringing the Strategy Game feel of the franchise to life? Or is it abandoning it's roots (much like WoW did) in order to bring me a classically based, uninspired and uninventive MMORPG? (Something, I would note, that is delivered and prooven in other games)?
Is this a game on rails?
Is this a sandbox of small attractions or can I more or less do what I want?
I'm sure I have more questions, but I'm leaving work in a few minutes =P
I am looking forward to Warhammer...I did not look forward to WOW but I did play it for 6 months until you hit top level to find that endgame is equal to pure grinding for either items or faction.
level before the top one you had something to look forward to
Blizzard is largest mmoprg as far as the numbers but no where the best one out there
SW;G looked like a great game from it screen shots for it to turn out to be one of the worst games I ever played
Blizzard sold there product to more then one gaming group..MMOer and fans of there other products.
Warhammer has a huge none pc fan base plus fans of the Dawn of War game. I can only hope they build on what WOW did right, As WOW built on what EQ did right.
I haven't really posted on the WAR forums before, and after seeing some of the responses to the OP in this thread...I was quite hesitant to. If those responses are at all telling about the Community that WAR will have, I'll definately be passing on it by that notion alone. After saying that... I have questions.
Having read a number (but not all) of the responses and threads about the subject of "WoW Clone-ishness(ery)" the only responses I've seen are in terms of "Lore", "Feel", and "Who Coppied Who". My question is...what about the gameplay and mechanics? What about it's PvE concerns? Raiding? MUDflation mechanisms? etc Because quite frankly, this game could be based ont he godfather of all things that are fun, but if I'm standing in a Mountain City because it's the only one that has an auctionhouse, spamming General chat for LFG for an instance group because my guild can't raid due to a timer so I can't get leet purples...well. That's WoW no matter how you cut it....whether there are Orcs or Fluffy Bunnies.
How is this game bringing the Strategy Game feel of the franchise to life? Or is it abandoning it's roots (much like WoW did) in order to bring me a classically based, uninspired and uninventive MMORPG? (Something, I would note, that is delivered and prooven in other games)?
Is this a game on rails?
Is this a sandbox of small attractions or can I more or less do what I want?
I'm sure I have more questions, but I'm leaving work in a few minutes =P
Venge
See, it's this kind of stuff that irritates me because you should have read about gameplay instead of worrying about it's relation to WoW. But anyway, the main thing WAR brings to the table is RvR. In Everquest you hunt monsters, in WoW you defend your civilization against all kinds of convoluted threats. There's none of that bull in WAR. It's just about two armies who want to wipe each other off the face of the earth.
That adds another feature: Persistance. No matter how many quests you fail in other MMOs the world will never end. That's not the case in WAR. If all the Dwarves don't sign on for a month, their civilization can die and evil can win. They'll return to find their beloved NPCs friends being eaten by Orcs, while they're great works are raised in fire and deficated on. See why people get upset when you compare WAR's features to WoW's features? WoW just a watered down clone of everything before it that blizzard used to make money. It has no actual ambition like WAR.
As far as Combat Gameplay, WAR is sort of sticking to the old ways. Not much has been said but it seems to be sticking to current gen stuff. But while games like AoC and TCoS seem to be trying new things, that could go either way. WAR seems to be trying to make the old MMO button pushing style more interesting and strategic.
The Advancement in WAR is laterial. You won't be getting "Fireball 1>Fireball 2>Greater Fireball", it's more like CoH where your bag of tricks getts bigger and not just higher numbered. Or like the old Star Wars Galaxies System I hear.
What exactly are your PvE concerns?
Raiding? You'll never be forced to PvE raid. They've already said that you can PvP the entire game without PvE or vice versa. Meanwhile, you have the Endgame which consists of Capitial Raids, which are sort of hybrid PvP and PvE in the form of RvR. You'll get your high level gear from these as you crush your hated enemy into the ground. Mythic knows what it's doing because they're vets, especially to the MMO industry, unlike Blizzard who's made it's money ripping off other people's ideas(Diablo was just the old dugeon crawling games+graphics to begin with).
Mudflation? Economy? If that's what you mean then it's a bit early to talk about it. I mean, just by lore Orcs and Chaos shouldn't have a money economy. So no one really knows what's what.
As far as LFG, there's a few solutions to this so far. The first is the public quests. With these, everyone in the zone that's on your side can co-opperate to do a single giant quest. The first example we've gotten is that in the Marshes of Madness(I think it was), there's a Giant and he's being attacked by Squig Monsters. Your faction(The Greenskins, who have an affinity for Giants because both Greenies and Giants are both dim witted and violent), is supposed to go kill the Squigs. Afterwards, the Giant is thirsy from running, so you have to get him beer. Afterwards, not only do you get regular style quest rewards, but the Giant goes and attacks your enemy in a drunken rage :P
Then there's PvP Skirmishing, which you can usually find a group of your allies fighting a group of your enemies at any given time.
Then you have capitial raids, which are where everyone is supposed to be where everyone will be at endgame. If it's anything like Mythic is playing it up to be, then you should have no problem finding a group.
Aside from that, nothing's been said yet about the LFG system.
No timers. Capitial Raids take place in regular zones. Raids are broken up into objectives, which they've said can be handled by small groups, ie: not fourty people minimums.
They're staying true the RvRness of WAR. Also, a lot of the flavor and detials from the Tabeltop. If you look at the screenshots, everything looks like it was made by a hobbiest. Once again, I have to ask, what exactly do think would bring the franchise to life?
3. No. You should do research for yourself but it's neither 'on rails' in the Guild Wars sense(The Pysics of WAR look similar to CoH's. Including flight.) or the WoW sense where you're being shifted down a pre-defined linear plot. The plot of Warhammer is pretty much constant struggle, and every part of the IP is just telling a different side to the story. It's not like LoTR where you have one enemy to beat and then everything's happily ever after. In WAR as soon as you beat back the undead, the skaven are knocking on your door. Mythic seems to want to stay true this. Wether they do or not is yet to be seen.
4. A Sandbox Game is a game where you can do what you want. What are you asking?
I am really looking forward to WAR too. I don't know why pple said this is gonna be WOW clone. The game is not even out for beta yet. Judging by simply comparing the graphic? This is plain childish. Also said won't leave wow ... blah blah blah. I am thinking pple start "loyal" to a game? I have been play a lot of the games warhammer 40k, warhammer fantasy, mininature Napoleonic wars, online games like eq, daoc and wow. No matter how good was the game you will get bored one day and move on.
I hope they stay in their childish, ignorent comunitties honestly. I doubt that they'll be missed in community or profit. Most of them are die-hard craft fans and I'd really rather them be replaced by die hard Warhammer fans, who are generally way more cool.
Craft Fans can talk leet. Warhammer fans are often hobbiests who can sculpt, paint, tell stories or at least lead armies thanks to the stratagy of the game :P. I'll take WH fans over those losers any day.
i have to say i played WoW to level 40....and it was really boring. and ive played warhammer 40k...never warhammer but i know enough history to understand that warhammer in no way is ripping off WoW Warhammer has been around alot longer. they may improve on some of WoWs shortcomings but from what ive heard and seen it seems more closely related to DAoC than anything. WoW fans always say this game ripped off WoW or that game, but yoy never stop to think what WoW took from previous games. a friend of mine has been playing MMOs since Ultima an from what he tells me WoW did nothing but simplify a system that has been done countless times before.
currently playing: Guitar Hero, Guitar Hero 2. Waiting for: Warhammer:Age Of Reckoning, A good Star Wars MMO Retired From: WoW 40 Ne Rogue/40 Tauren war/40 BE Hunter, SWG 72 Bothan Medic, CoV 40 DM/Regen stalker, GW 20 W/R 14 E/M 14 W/R, DAoC 20 Vampiir 20 BM 20 BD 20 Thane.
WoW clone? lol, I have the original Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay source books from 1983 and the artwork from there is almost identical to that being produced for WAR. If anything WoW is a Warhammer clone and Blizzard didn't think that Games Workshop would enter the MMO feild after the last attempt at Warhammer online crashed and burned just beofre the closed beta started.
Why are you wasting your time posting these types of things on a forum for a game that you apparently want nothing to do with? Next time you get the urge to do something like this punch yourself in the crotch....
I've been following this for a while, and I know the differences in the two games. I also understand the differences in the lore. So don't worry, I'm not joining the "It's a WoW clone" crowd.
However, I do find it interesting that many of you equate WoW with childishness, and expect a more mature crowd in WAR. I've been playing MMOs for a long time, and PvPers have the highest ratio of immaturity over any other demographic. Explorers, raiders, and all the other types. They all have their share of idiots and childish jerks. Yet it is PvP that seems to bring out the most asshats.
I love PvP, and I enjoy Realm v. Realm. But I'm not going to lie to myself about how the community is going to be.
Seriously. It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
sorry guys but this is a WoW clone dont expect any huge number in this one as they will not be leaving WoW to come here. Also with D3 on the horizon this games gonna fail.
go ahead and give us out here a reason why this games not any different than WoW? and why we should buy it?
Ehh I've learned that you never should compare ANYTHING with WoW because IT IS NOT WORTH IT!!! Why should we play this game? Why should we play WoW? It's all theoreticly and built upon opinions! Stop the flaming!
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Whoa deja vu, I could have sworn I just saw this post in the LOTRO section um...or was that the Vanguard section. Why respond seriously to this? It's ridiculous. As for immaturity levels, I really don't see a difference between MMOs or any other "male dominated" hobby. Oops, that was probably a sexist comment. Guess I'm being immature. Oh well.
I`m getting really irriated that you WoW fan boys call basicly every single fantasy mmo a *clone*. WoW is just on of around thouands of mmos out there. Just because it`s at it`s prime doesn`t meen it will last forever and anyways on my server when i played it only spazzy little kids played it. W.A.R has depth and good lore WoW is just a shallow. Uberknot just to let you know, lots of people who play the table top which exceeds WoW will probley play W.A.R. . And thats my two cents.
Well the only thing we can compare right now is gfx. The game uses a similar gfx style to WoW just as VG and EQ2 use a same gfx style. Argue who copied who but blizz was first our of the starting gate and did a fantasic job, thus WAR is compared to WoW.
WoW has as many kids (percentage wise) as any other MMO, WAR will have the same percentage too, in my experince kids PvP more than any other age group.
Just because ppl play the table top game does not mean they will play the computer game. And will players of WH40,000k be tempted to play as dwarfs and orks after shooting lazer guns for the last 3 years?
A quote from gameswork shop page:
At the heart of the Hobby are the millions of gamers aged 12 upwards, who spend many of their waking hours collecting, creating, painting, and building up the armies that they will go on to command on a carefully prepared tabletop battlefield.
The problem with this WoW vs WAR topic, it will never end it seems. People dont realise they are two different worlds of their own game. It doesnt matter who did this first and who did that last. We can see that WoW itself being on the MMO out there first is recognised by many people and even to those that just started their first ever MMO. WoW appeals to them and people are enjoying and seeing this to be the great game out there. So we all know WoW itself is a big game and has a big market for people to enjoy.
So as time goes by , finally Warhammer being popular on its old type of games such as the classic Warhammer RTS , Dark Omen and even the Table Top game from Games workshop its huge and its big. People do recognise all of that and now finally they make it to an MMO which we all could see that there are similiarities to WoW because of some layouts such as UI and even characters seeing Orcs and Dwarfs . But it can't be helped how an orc is to look like an orc and they are called orcs , what else is Warhammer IP going to call them and how they look when they are just putting in what Games Workshop designed them to be. There is no other way , they can't change the colour of orcs or looks all because World of Warcraft made an orc and they may seem a bit similiar. This applies to dwarfs as well and so we see people that are shallow will just say , WoW clone because they dont bother to think and realise that WAR is coming into an MMO community to be recognised in " IT's " own right.
People should just see that the difference that WAR will make is that they will create an RVR experience for raids and people will be involved in either side of whomever fights whom to which the World and field of play will be moved by how people are involved to those that create success against others . People work together to fight against one another purely and their rewards are given for what they done.
WoW we can see that people get their Best Tier set no. # from mainly the PvE aspects of raids of facing NPC bosses for their best rewards.
In the end we just hope people would not just judge a game by the looks and say this is the same when each game has their goals which are set different. WAR is for a RvR experience and WoW is for PvE experience mainly to set their targets different. We will also notice that the classes in WAR will be different from how WoW plays so they are not clones but 2 seperate games altogether. I hope this clarifies enough for people to understand and somehow people would just end this rant this clone or that. Just enjoy the wait or if not interested then dont bother but for those that do anticipate the game like myself. I cant wait and hope to see what the end result would be like once WAR finally comes out.
You asked why you should play WAR and not WoW. I´ll tell you why. Eventhou Warhammer is pretty geeky, even geekier than WoW (probably because of the plastic doll thing they have been doing for years), Blizzard is totally fucking up their own game. Warhammer is perhaps for the ones who have chosen to not play WoW anymore because they are unhappy about the changes of the game and think Blizzard have become lazyasses who can do nothing good at all but still get payed. But like I said, it´s still too geeky to suit my taste, so I´ll wait for the next huge release that will draw over two million players in Europe.
While I'm not going to say WoW is a great game, I will say that Blizzard isn't screwing up their own game. They constantly look for ways to make it better. Look at BC. They changed the way PvP ranks worked, removing a painful grind. They made raids segmented and smaller, making it easier for their primary playerbase (casual players) to run them. They constantly make changes to the classes, always imporving and rarely nerfing. Flying mounts. My point is, most things that they do, the players like.
Probably the only thing they have done that was questionable was the origin story for the Dranei. It was so ridiculous, they had to change it after a player outcry. Used to be space ships, changed it to dimentional ships. Still not acceptable to the Warcraft lore. They should have just come through from Outland like the Blood Elves.
Seriously. It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
While I'm not going to say WoW is a great game, I will say that Blizzard isn't screwing up their own game. They constantly look for ways to make it better. Look at BC. They changed the way PvP ranks worked, removing a painful grind. They made raids segmented and smaller, making it easier for their primary playerbase (casual players) to run them. They constantly make changes to the classes, always imporving and rarely nerfing. Flying mounts. My point is, most things that they do, the players like.
Probably the only thing they have done that was questionable was the origin story for the Dranei. It was so ridiculous, they had to change it after a player outcry. Used to be space ships, changed it to dimentional ships. Still not acceptable to the Warcraft lore. They should have just come through from Outland like the Blood Elves.
Maybe, but it is still the same old game. Now you can get to 70, and instead of raiding in a 40 man, raid in a 25 man to get a whole new epic set. Then, you wait till the next dungeon is released and do it all over again. Blizzard isn't messing their game up per se, but they sure aren't doing a lot to keep players such as myself and (I assume) Damillion. Same old gear grind, same old faction grind... same ole same ole. As for the PvP? Samething just dressed up differently now.
I'm not a WoW hater like some people here are, I had fun while it lasted... but I'm not gonna let Blizz milk me for more money when they are still doing the same thing, so I'm looking for something new and hopefully WAR will be better. I was looking at Age of Conan also, but their early minimum requirements kick my computer's ass . So, hopefully WAR is gonna be kick ass and a bit more brutal than WoW was.
If you are such a idiot thinks that warhammer is a clone of WoW then you need to read up.
Warhammer online where thoght of two years before WoW was even an idea.
And its also so that every race (exept for the froghuman thingies) is taken from warhammer, because warhammer is the begining of it all so don't say it's a copy because if you do you are just a worthles fat WoW nerd who thinks hes smart but realy isn't
It began with warhammer and it will end with warhammer
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Well the only thing we can compare right now is gfx. The game uses a similar gfx style to WoW
I suppose you could say that they're both cartoonish, but beyond that, taking into account that Warhammer gave us green orcs to begin with, can you really say that these are similar - or more similar than they are to, say, DAOK avatars or EQ avatars?
Edit: I suppose the fact that they're both based on warhammer tabletop minitaures can be pointed to, but beyond the basics - a Dwarf being a Dwarf, a Human being a Human - the difference in artistic style is staggering. Seems that someone would have to be pretty determined to claim they were more similar to to WoW avatars than they are to DAOK or EQ.
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"EA/Mythic may not see the numbers that Blizzard had but after witnessing all of the immature children that have tainted the gameplay in WoW, I am positive that I don't want 7 million people playing WAR"
I'm with you on that one. I hope WAR keeps the kids away. I am sooo amped for the release of WAR it isn't even funny! I've been a fan of Warhammer since it's first title was released for the playstation in the mid - late 90's.
I've played WoW and I thought it was hilarious how peaceful the land is when you start off as an Orc or Troll. It was kind of hard to take the game seriously after seeing butterflies fluttering about. No matter what the WoW fanboi has to say, Warhammer has a huge fanbase going back at least a decade. People will play WAR by the masses because Mythic will give the warhammer diehards everything we'd hope for!
very very good said! myself i love warhammer series:) hope see ya ingame when game coming for us:)) stil long waiting time ;'(
I haven't really posted on the WAR forums before, and after seeing some of the responses to the OP in this thread...I was quite hesitant to. If those responses are at all telling about the Community that WAR will have, I'll definately be passing on it by that notion alone.
After saying that... I have questions.
I'm sure I have more questions, but I'm leaving work in a few minutes =P
Venge
I am looking forward to Warhammer...I did not look forward to WOW but I did play it for 6 months until you hit top level to find that endgame is equal to pure grinding for either items or faction.
level before the top one you had something to look forward to
Blizzard is largest mmoprg as far as the numbers but no where the best one out there
SW;G looked like a great game from it screen shots for it to turn out to be one of the worst games I ever played
Blizzard sold there product to more then one gaming group..MMOer and fans of there other products.
Warhammer has a huge none pc fan base plus fans of the Dawn of War game. I can only hope they build on what WOW did right, As WOW built on what EQ did right.
See, it's this kind of stuff that irritates me because you should have read about gameplay instead of worrying about it's relation to WoW. But anyway, the main thing WAR brings to the table is RvR. In Everquest you hunt monsters, in WoW you defend your civilization against all kinds of convoluted threats. There's none of that bull in WAR. It's just about two armies who want to wipe each other off the face of the earth.
That adds another feature: Persistance. No matter how many quests you fail in other MMOs the world will never end. That's not the case in WAR. If all the Dwarves don't sign on for a month, their civilization can die and evil can win. They'll return to find their beloved NPCs friends being eaten by Orcs, while they're great works are raised in fire and deficated on. See why people get upset when you compare WAR's features to WoW's features? WoW just a watered down clone of everything before it that blizzard used to make money. It has no actual ambition like WAR.
As far as Combat Gameplay, WAR is sort of sticking to the old ways. Not much has been said but it seems to be sticking to current gen stuff. But while games like AoC and TCoS seem to be trying new things, that could go either way. WAR seems to be trying to make the old MMO button pushing style more interesting and strategic.
The Advancement in WAR is laterial. You won't be getting "Fireball 1>Fireball 2>Greater Fireball", it's more like CoH where your bag of tricks getts bigger and not just higher numbered. Or like the old Star Wars Galaxies System I hear.
What exactly are your PvE concerns?
Raiding? You'll never be forced to PvE raid. They've already said that you can PvP the entire game without PvE or vice versa. Meanwhile, you have the Endgame which consists of Capitial Raids, which are sort of hybrid PvP and PvE in the form of RvR. You'll get your high level gear from these as you crush your hated enemy into the ground. Mythic knows what it's doing because they're vets, especially to the MMO industry, unlike Blizzard who's made it's money ripping off other people's ideas(Diablo was just the old dugeon crawling games+graphics to begin with).
Mudflation? Economy? If that's what you mean then it's a bit early to talk about it. I mean, just by lore Orcs and Chaos shouldn't have a money economy. So no one really knows what's what.
As far as LFG, there's a few solutions to this so far. The first is the public quests. With these, everyone in the zone that's on your side can co-opperate to do a single giant quest. The first example we've gotten is that in the Marshes of Madness(I think it was), there's a Giant and he's being attacked by Squig Monsters. Your faction(The Greenskins, who have an affinity for Giants because both Greenies and Giants are both dim witted and violent), is supposed to go kill the Squigs. Afterwards, the Giant is thirsy from running, so you have to get him beer. Afterwards, not only do you get regular style quest rewards, but the Giant goes and attacks your enemy in a drunken rage :P
Then there's PvP Skirmishing, which you can usually find a group of your allies fighting a group of your enemies at any given time.
Then you have capitial raids, which are where everyone is supposed to be where everyone will be at endgame. If it's anything like Mythic is playing it up to be, then you should have no problem finding a group.
Aside from that, nothing's been said yet about the LFG system.
No timers. Capitial Raids take place in regular zones. Raids are broken up into objectives, which they've said can be handled by small groups, ie: not fourty people minimums.
They're staying true the RvRness of WAR. Also, a lot of the flavor and detials from the Tabeltop. If you look at the screenshots, everything looks like it was made by a hobbiest. Once again, I have to ask, what exactly do think would bring the franchise to life?
3. No. You should do research for yourself but it's neither 'on rails' in the Guild Wars sense(The Pysics of WAR look similar to CoH's. Including flight.) or the WoW sense where you're being shifted down a pre-defined linear plot. The plot of Warhammer is pretty much constant struggle, and every part of the IP is just telling a different side to the story. It's not like LoTR where you have one enemy to beat and then everything's happily ever after. In WAR as soon as you beat back the undead, the skaven are knocking on your door. Mythic seems to want to stay true this. Wether they do or not is yet to be seen.
4. A Sandbox Game is a game where you can do what you want. What are you asking?
I am really looking forward to WAR too. I don't know why pple said this is gonna be WOW clone. The game is not even out for beta yet. Judging by simply comparing the graphic? This is plain childish. Also said won't leave wow ... blah blah blah. I am thinking pple start "loyal" to a game? I have been play a lot of the games warhammer 40k, warhammer fantasy, mininature Napoleonic wars, online games like eq, daoc and wow. No matter how good was the game you will get bored one day and move on.
I hope they stay in their childish, ignorent comunitties honestly. I doubt that they'll be missed in community or profit. Most of them are die-hard craft fans and I'd really rather them be replaced by die hard Warhammer fans, who are generally way more cool.
Craft Fans can talk leet. Warhammer fans are often hobbiests who can sculpt, paint, tell stories or at least lead armies thanks to the stratagy of the game :P. I'll take WH fans over those losers any day.
currently playing: Guitar Hero, Guitar Hero 2.
Waiting for: Warhammer:Age Of Reckoning, A good Star Wars MMO
Retired From: WoW 40 Ne Rogue/40 Tauren war/40 BE Hunter, SWG 72 Bothan Medic, CoV 40 DM/Regen stalker, GW 20 W/R 14 E/M 14 W/R, DAoC 20 Vampiir 20 BM 20 BD 20 Thane.
how about a nice tall glass of STFU
And WoW is just a trumped up EQ clone.
Why are you wasting your time posting these types of things on a forum for a game that you apparently want nothing to do with? Next time you get the urge to do something like this punch yourself in the crotch....
I`m getting really irriated that you WoW fan boys call basicly every single fantasy mmo a *clone*. WoW is just on of around thouands of
mmos out there. Just because it`s at it`s prime doesn`t meen it will last forever and anyways on my server when i played it only spazzy little
kids played it. W.A.R has depth and good lore WoW is just a shallow. Uberknot just to let you know, lots of people who play the table top
which exceeds WoW will probley play W.A.R. . And thats my two cents.
Warhammer wont be a pure loot based item farm game like wow
searching for the next DAoC....
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I've been following this for a while, and I know the differences in the two games. I also understand the differences in the lore. So don't worry, I'm not joining the "It's a WoW clone" crowd.
However, I do find it interesting that many of you equate WoW with childishness, and expect a more mature crowd in WAR. I've been playing MMOs for a long time, and PvPers have the highest ratio of immaturity over any other demographic. Explorers, raiders, and all the other types. They all have their share of idiots and childish jerks. Yet it is PvP that seems to bring out the most asshats.
I love PvP, and I enjoy Realm v. Realm. But I'm not going to lie to myself about how the community is going to be.
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
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WoW has as many kids (percentage wise) as any other MMO, WAR will have the same percentage too, in my experince kids PvP more than any other age group.
As to wow haivng no lore, heres a summery of the lore en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_and_alternate_timelines_for_the_Warcraft_lore thers also 6 novels I think and even a movie in the works, many ppl as wil happen in WAR will skip the lore.
Just because ppl play the table top game does not mean they will play the computer game. And will players of WH40,000k be tempted to play as dwarfs and orks after shooting lazer guns for the last 3 years?
A quote from gameswork shop page:
At the heart of the Hobby are the millions of gamers aged 12 upwards, who spend many of their waking hours collecting, creating, painting, and building up the armies that they will go on to command on a carefully prepared tabletop battlefield.
So as time goes by , finally Warhammer being popular on its old type of games such as the classic Warhammer RTS , Dark Omen and even the Table Top game from Games workshop its huge and its big. People do recognise all of that and now finally they make it to an MMO which we all could see that there are similiarities to WoW because of some layouts such as UI and even characters seeing Orcs and Dwarfs . But it can't be helped how an orc is to look like an orc and they are called orcs , what else is Warhammer IP going to call them and how they look when they are just putting in what Games Workshop designed them to be. There is no other way , they can't change the colour of orcs or looks all because World of Warcraft made an orc and they may seem a bit similiar. This applies to dwarfs as well and so we see people that are shallow will just say , WoW clone because they dont bother to think and realise that WAR is coming into an MMO community to be recognised in " IT's " own right.
People should just see that the difference that WAR will make is that they will create an RVR experience for raids and people will be involved in either side of whomever fights whom to which the World and field of play will be moved by how people are involved to those that create success against others . People work together to fight against one another purely and their rewards are given for what they done.
WoW we can see that people get their Best Tier set no. # from mainly the PvE aspects of raids of facing NPC bosses for their best rewards.
In the end we just hope people would not just judge a game by the looks and say this is the same when each game has their goals which are set different. WAR is for a RvR experience and WoW is for PvE experience mainly to set their targets different. We will also notice that the classes in WAR will be different from how WoW plays so they are not clones but 2 seperate games altogether. I hope this clarifies enough for people to understand and somehow people would just end this rant this clone or that. Just enjoy the wait or if not interested then dont bother but for those that do anticipate the game like myself. I cant wait and hope to see what the end result would be like once WAR finally comes out.
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While I'm not going to say WoW is a great game, I will say that Blizzard isn't screwing up their own game. They constantly look for ways to make it better. Look at BC. They changed the way PvP ranks worked, removing a painful grind. They made raids segmented and smaller, making it easier for their primary playerbase (casual players) to run them. They constantly make changes to the classes, always imporving and rarely nerfing. Flying mounts. My point is, most things that they do, the players like.
Probably the only thing they have done that was questionable was the origin story for the Dranei. It was so ridiculous, they had to change it after a player outcry. Used to be space ships, changed it to dimentional ships. Still not acceptable to the Warcraft lore. They should have just come through from Outland like the Blood Elves.
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
While I'm not going to say WoW is a great game, I will say that Blizzard isn't screwing up their own game. They constantly look for ways to make it better. Look at BC. They changed the way PvP ranks worked, removing a painful grind. They made raids segmented and smaller, making it easier for their primary playerbase (casual players) to run them. They constantly make changes to the classes, always imporving and rarely nerfing. Flying mounts. My point is, most things that they do, the players like.
Probably the only thing they have done that was questionable was the origin story for the Dranei. It was so ridiculous, they had to change it after a player outcry. Used to be space ships, changed it to dimentional ships. Still not acceptable to the Warcraft lore. They should have just come through from Outland like the Blood Elves.
Maybe, but it is still the same old game. Now you can get to 70, and instead of raiding in a 40 man, raid in a 25 man to get a whole new epic set. Then, you wait till the next dungeon is released and do it all over again. Blizzard isn't messing their game up per se, but they sure aren't doing a lot to keep players such as myself and (I assume) Damillion. Same old gear grind, same old faction grind... same ole same ole. As for the PvP? Samething just dressed up differently now.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Metallica8589/videos?view=0
Warhammer online where thoght of two years before WoW was even an idea.
And its also so that every race (exept for the froghuman thingies) is taken from warhammer, because warhammer is the begining of it all so don't say it's a copy because if you do you are just a worthles fat WoW nerd who thinks hes smart but realy isn't
It began with warhammer and it will end with warhammer
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And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
I suppose you could say that they're both cartoonish, but beyond that, taking into account that Warhammer gave us green orcs to begin with, can you really say that these are similar - or more similar than they are to, say, DAOK avatars or EQ avatars?
Edit: I suppose the fact that they're both based on warhammer tabletop minitaures can be pointed to, but beyond the basics - a Dwarf being a Dwarf, a Human being a Human - the difference in artistic style is staggering. Seems that someone would have to be pretty determined to claim they were more similar to to WoW avatars than they are to DAOK or EQ.