Think about it: in 1900 or so years Christians have been thinking the same ideas on how the world was created. When held up to accepted scientific scrutiny, it falls apart - nearly all of it.
Christians argue that scientists haven't proved everytihng or cannot prove anything.
My answer to that is: not yet.
There's no doubt in my mind that one day all religious dogma will be disproven permanently and then mankind can get on with the job of being the intelligent lifeform that they are and consign superstitious beliefs to history.
It'll happen. Humans will grow out of resorting to religious beliefs as a substitute for reality.
Think about it: in 1900 or so years Christians have been thinking the same ideas on how the world was created. When held up to accepted scientific scrutiny, it falls apart - nearly all of it. Christians argue that scientists haven't proved everytihng or cannot prove anything. My answer to that is: not yet. There's no doubt in my mind that one day all religious dogma will be disproven permanently and then mankind can get on with the job of being the intelligent lifeform that they are and consign superstitious beliefs to history. It'll happen. Humans will grow out of resorting to religious beliefs as a substitute for reality.
I would love for that to be the case, but society has pretty much proven that this won't happen, at least any time soon. Each and every time something taken as fact in the bible or other such scriptures is proven false, that particular idea becomes something "not to be taken literally", and people fall for it. This has happened time and time again throughout history, and it has definately sped up some recently, with no real impact on the theists.
Think about it: in 1900 or so years Christians have been thinking the same ideas on how the world was created. When held up to accepted scientific scrutiny, it falls apart - nearly all of it. Christians argue that scientists haven't proved everytihng or cannot prove anything. My answer to that is: not yet. There's no doubt in my mind that one day all religious dogma will be disproven permanently and then mankind can get on with the job of being the intelligent lifeform that they are and consign superstitious beliefs to history. It'll happen. Humans will grow out of resorting to religious beliefs as a substitute for reality.
I would love for that to be the case, but society has pretty much proven that this won't happen, at least any time soon. Each and every time something taken as fact in the bible or other such scriptures is proven false, that particular idea becomes something "not to be taken literally", and people fall for it. This has happened time and time again throughout history, and it has definately sped up some recently, with no real impact on the theists.
Good point. I'm thinking if we(humans) come up with a solid, backed answer to the origins of the universe, though, that there will be no crutch to lean on. Or what if we master the ability to create matter? We insignificant humans would become our own "God." Would we worship ourselves then?
Both of these are purely hypothetical, but I see a distinct chance of both happening in the near future.
Good point. I'm thinking if we(humans) come up with a solid, backed answer to the origins of the universe, though, that there will be no crutch to lean on. Or what if we master the ability to create matter? We insignificant humans would become our own "God." Would we worship ourselves then? Both of these are purely hypothetical, but I see a distinct chance of both happening in the near future.
It's inevitable. This universe is far too big to entertain and accomodate egocentrisms like God created the world.
Like I wrote somewhere else, we are so insignificant compared to what starts 50 kilometres above us, any and all religious theories cease to make sense.
Hawking and Sagan are right, and one day we will all know that.
someone has probably mentioned this,haven't read the whole thread.
we think the universe started with a singularity.we think black holes have singularities at their core.we think there are lots of black holes in our universe.imo time/space/whatever has always and will always be
someone has probably mentioned this,haven't read the whole thread.
we think the universe started with a singularity.we think black holes have singularities at their core.we think there are lots of black holes in our universe.imo time/space/whatever has always and will always be
That's pretty much what I tried to explain in my original post and how some believe that singularity came about.
To the bible basher saying god is not a theory I say all religion is based on 100% belief 0% evidence/fact, science however starts with belief and works towards evidence then fact. Whereas religion has stayed in the belief corner since it began.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
someone has probably mentioned this,haven't read the whole thread.
we think the universe started with a singularity.we think black holes have singularities at their core.we think there are lots of black holes in our universe.imo time/space/whatever has always and will always be
That's pretty much what I tried to explain in my original post and how some believe that singularity came about.
To the bible basher saying god is not a theory I say all religion is based on 100% belief 0% evidence/fact, science however starts with belief and works towards evidence then fact. Whereas religion has stayed in the belief corner since it began.
I think you mean bible thumper, if not I don't follow what you're saying.
Religious folk say faith defies logic, so it makes evidence irrelevant. A personal experience with God might be cited for evidence, or miracles. Que sera, we will find out who is right when we die.
time/space/whatever has always been,or god did it.
there's no 3rd option
That's not necissarily true. Just because we can't comprehend an answer deeper than "infinity" doesn't mean there is no third option. We know zilch about such things as eternity. Hell, we can't even fathom the idea. We think things must have a beginning and an end. I can't even begin to think about the origin of the universe or God because both have to start somewhere. All this line of thought shows is how ignorant the human race is.
time/space/whatever has always been,or god did it.
there's no 3rd option
That's not necissarily true. Just because we can't comprehend an answer deeper than "infinity" doesn't mean there is no third option. We know zilch about such things as eternity. Hell, we can't even fathom the idea. We think things must have a beginning and an end. I can't even begin to think about the origin of the universe or God because both have to start somewhere. All this line of thought shows is how ignorant the human race is. ..i can't think of a 3rd option
i can however conceptualize eternity..*shrug* ,i think eternity is more likely than something appearing out of nothing
time/space/whatever has always been,or god did it.
there's no 3rd option
That's not necissarily true. Just because we can't comprehend an answer deeper than "infinity" doesn't mean there is no third option. We know zilch about such things as eternity. Hell, we can't even fathom the idea. We think things must have a beginning and an end. I can't even begin to think about the origin of the universe or God because both have to start somewhere. All this line of thought shows is how ignorant the human race is...i can't think of a 3rd option
i can however conceptualize eternity..*shrug* ,i think eternity is more likely than something appearing out of nothing
I'm not really disagreeing with you on this matter, but I'm pulling the bs card on your ability to conceptualize eternity. The human race is bound by our current set of laws, and eternity is an unfathomable concept. Do you have any possible explanations as to how this eternal universe came into existence? You would have to go past the third dimension to explain it, but we can't confidently explain further dimensions. This makes eternity very possible, but it isn't feasible to us currently. And how is eternity more likely than something randomly appearing? Both are foreign to us. So unless you are the only human to evolve to a higher state, I really can't see how you can say any of this with any credibility.
I'm not really disagreeing with you on this matter, but I'm pulling the bs card on your ability to conceptualize eternity. The human race is bound by our current set of laws, and eternity is an unfathomable concept. Do you have any possible explanations as to how this eternal universe came into existence?
well no,but that's my point really.when ppl tried to explain religion to me when i was a kid i always just thought the universe was eternal,and couldn't understand their attempts to "explain it" to me
how is eternity more likely than something randomly appearing?
something randomly appearring when other things already exist seems feasible,just not when nothing exists
You know it may well be possible for a human to briefly gain insight into huge, deep concepts of infinity and different dimensions beyond those we currently know and gain knowledge of how the universe works, but I wouldn't want to be the poor bugger trying to put such things into human language to explain to anyone else
I would go along with that article pretty much I think. I don't think the 6000 years can be right, and I'm glad there are theologists who are suggesting the Bible doesn't insist that was the case. I also believe in some of the aspects of evolution. That all still leaves plenty of room for a creator God in my mind.
How would anyone know the origins of our universe unless they were there to witness it first hand? The only thing we can do now is use our intellect and observe what is around us to come up with some kind of hypothesis. But nobody can claim to know for certain. That's the only true thing that can come out of these discussions.
We were born into this universe to ride it out like a surfer on a universal wave. Where that wave came from, only the galactic ocean knows.
well what if we where just here...or the materials to make us where then over millions of years two molicules combined to make life remember that this universe is older than we can imagine. It can be possible that we were just conceived an acident and just happen to become the most dominent
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
Personally I think more resources and brain power could be better served into finding out where we are going instead of were we came from.
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
that is true,but all the same why worry about either-if you think about it we aren't the best race. Other races would simply focus on surviving while we worry about pointless theriories
My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
that is true,but all the same why worry about either-if you think about it we aren't the best race. Other races would simply focus on surviving while we worry about pointless theriories
That's because we have a sense of superiority for having the ability to worry about said pointless theories.
There is no need for a "god" because the universe is only a product of random vacuum fluctuations in hyperspace, and actually happens quite often, so there is no need for a “god” to start the reaction, it just happened because in eternity, everything happen after a while, so our universe is the product of the perpetuity of hyperspace.
I agree with that.That would solve where we go.And if you do fear the place you go when you die,why.Why does it matter? The best thing I believe you could wish for after death is rotting in the ground.
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Think about it: in 1900 or so years Christians have been thinking the same ideas on how the world was created. When held up to accepted scientific scrutiny, it falls apart - nearly all of it.
Christians argue that scientists haven't proved everytihng or cannot prove anything.
My answer to that is: not yet.
There's no doubt in my mind that one day all religious dogma will be disproven permanently and then mankind can get on with the job of being the intelligent lifeform that they are and consign superstitious beliefs to history.
It'll happen. Humans will grow out of resorting to religious beliefs as a substitute for reality.
Good point. I'm thinking if we(humans) come up with a solid, backed answer to the origins of the universe, though, that there will be no crutch to lean on. Or what if we master the ability to create matter? We insignificant humans would become our own "God." Would we worship ourselves then?
Both of these are purely hypothetical, but I see a distinct chance of both happening in the near future.
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It's inevitable. This universe is far too big to entertain and accomodate egocentrisms like God created the world.
Like I wrote somewhere else, we are so insignificant compared to what starts 50 kilometres above us, any and all religious theories cease to make sense.
Hawking and Sagan are right, and one day we will all know that.
Edit: typing > me
we think the universe started with a singularity.we think black holes have singularities at their core.we think there are lots of black holes in our universe.imo time/space/whatever has always and will always be
That's pretty much what I tried to explain in my original post and how some believe that singularity came about.
To the bible basher saying god is not a theory I say all religion is based on 100% belief 0% evidence/fact, science however starts with belief and works towards evidence then fact. Whereas religion has stayed in the belief corner since it began.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
time/space/whatever has always been,or god did it.
there's no 3rd option
That's pretty much what I tried to explain in my original post and how some believe that singularity came about.
To the bible basher saying god is not a theory I say all religion is based on 100% belief 0% evidence/fact, science however starts with belief and works towards evidence then fact. Whereas religion has stayed in the belief corner since it began.
I think you mean bible thumper, if not I don't follow what you're saying.
Religious folk say faith defies logic, so it makes evidence irrelevant. A personal experience with God might be cited for evidence, or miracles. Que sera, we will find out who is right when we die.
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i can however conceptualize eternity..*shrug* ,i think eternity is more likely than something appearing out of nothing
i can however conceptualize eternity..*shrug* ,i think eternity is more likely than something appearing out of nothing
I'm not really disagreeing with you on this matter, but I'm pulling the bs card on your ability to conceptualize eternity. The human race is bound by our current set of laws, and eternity is an unfathomable concept. Do you have any possible explanations as to how this eternal universe came into existence? You would have to go past the third dimension to explain it, but we can't confidently explain further dimensions. This makes eternity very possible, but it isn't feasible to us currently. And how is eternity more likely than something randomly appearing? Both are foreign to us. So unless you are the only human to evolve to a higher state, I really can't see how you can say any of this with any credibility.
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I would go along with that article pretty much I think. I don't think the 6000 years can be right, and I'm glad there are theologists who are suggesting the Bible doesn't insist that was the case. I also believe in some of the aspects of evolution. That all still leaves plenty of room for a creator God in my mind.
We were born into this universe to ride it out like a surfer on a universal wave. Where that wave came from, only the galactic ocean knows.
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
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My mind has changed so much. Yet I'm still acting like I'm the same.
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