I cant remember clicking a "I AGREE" button anywhere either. I gave my details to mmorpg.com (not a legal agreement at that point, just some info) then i got an email with the username and pass.
I then downloaded the open to public beta client (no nda broke there), and logged in with my pass and username.
Unless there is some magic NDA small print then i dont think i "signed" for anything.
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To the person who quoted me... We never signed a contract, and if we did, the contract has to be specific in stating the fact of being of legal age in Korea, and no where in their legal documents does it state that.
HAH Good one. Well every game is worth beta testing, but the company needs to find the appropriate beta testers... People like myself, and many of you, who would rather beta a game that has a chance. Are not the beta testers this company needs. This company needs beta testers that have nothing else to do, and can spend countless hours on the way too many bugs... Bottem line... It should still be in alpha.
Not entirely sure why people are so down on this game, it definitely has problems, but even so it's alot better than certain things that people in these forums are ravin fanboi's over -cough- lineage2 -cough- this game has alot nicer graphics than many of the endless asian eq knock-offs- it's got some easy and fun sorta crafting elements I still only have a low level character but i'm not finding it to have the insane level-grind that a certain other game has... I don't think people are giving it a fair shot, wait and see how it looks when it goes commercial (or considering the MMORPG genre, should that be 6months/a year after launch?).
Another thing about complaining about the graphics... Just stop. Did you even look at the options. First, the high graphics mode is disabled right now and the game can only run at 800x600, the lowest resolution out there right now. Just allowing you to go up to 1600x1200 would significantly improve the game by cleaning up the textures and improving the overall look of the game. Although I do have to agree with the NPC riddle business... kinda wierd.
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Originally posted by Vesnar HAH Good one. Well every game is worth beta testing, but the company needs to find the appropriate beta testers... People like myself, and many of you, who would rather beta a game that has a chance. Are not the beta testers this company needs. This company needs beta testers that have nothing else to do, and can spend countless hours on the way too many bugs... Bottem line... It should still be in alpha.
your not a real *beta tester* ....real testers are actually in their company TESTING and reporting everything they find wrong in the game to the head office...your just a lucky winner who coould play this free game...so dont think your such a big shot that you are in a closed beta...
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Gosh..it's beta testing guys...you have to help out to make the game better...
About the translation...It's one of the most important thing you have to look at while beta testing. You have to write down what translation is not good and send it to the dev team.
Ok. Time for me to voice out straight and easy. WARNING! NOT FOR SOFT-HEARTED!
1. Translation : i know this is a really popular issuse between Malaysian(me) and you guys (US and other countries). I know it is funny to read those broken english that was translated. Do bare in mind. Translating a game is not as easy as translating a DOCUMENT. Games come out fantasy names and they need time to figure out the actual name before its TOO LATE. I know some of the NPC talk like riddlers and THIS is only a BETA TESTING... i repeat BETA TESTING and it is not an OPEN BETA.
2. Testing : what you call testing? Define out!. Our purpose is to TEST out the game, report bugs, help out in TRANSLATION. I know some of you RYL players were teasing Malaysian that we dont read english and speak english... if not i dont think i will know how to write this reply.
3. Reviews and sutff : I read all your reviews about this game. Everyone have a different taste of playing games. So please! stop saying this game (or others) have bad graphics. I can understand you guys demand high graphics, but dont you try out the high settings for the RYL? Did it say " This setting hasn't implemented into the game?". Why is it Tibia have good feedback on thier game where they have sucky top-down GFX? think that. The most important thing is thier storyline and the next is thier gameplay (quest, customization) nd the last is graphics. I know, some of you love 3D MMORPG but keep in mind, not all games can give you good GRAPHICS.. but they give you good STORYLINE and GAMEPLAY for you to stick on.
Thats all for now. I do play RYL and here is my review.
This game is still new to the English World but in the taiwan RYL, i felt that when there is no hackers around, the gameplay in the Arena is really interesting and real fun. Think of quake 3 and you will know what i mean. So far, the graphics is still bad due to the limitation of resolution and setting for the graphics where this game is only for testing purpose. Leveling up in RYL is realy fast if you party alot and be friendly to others. I did my character to level 18 in 1 and the half days.
My recommendation? This game is for those who love strong teamwork and leadership. If you are a hardcore PvP player, i dont think this game is suitable for you. Trust me, when you are in the Arena, the fun is all there and you wont ever think of getting out of arena till you get a good points in fame.
Cmon fellas,its in the beta stage!!The reason for beta is not to get the best ever free MMORPG,but to try and make it a good,solid game.Thats why it is closed to people who take the survay and are supposed to be experienced players of MMORPGs,non-experienced players of MMORPGs,and newbies so they can get an all around reply from different audiences.
Also,if you didnt read the little wording when you first load the game,it says"please report any bugs OR SUGGESTIONS to this e-mail here".Meaning,you're encouraged to give ideas that are possible to put in the game to make it that much better.
Personnaly,i can see where the game has its vices and virtues,but its really not that bad of a game.
Graphics are always worse in beta than full versions.
Combat is real time,and its pretty fun.
Lvl system is quite similar to Diablo 2s.
Player enviorment is ok,most people talk.
Interface does need alot of work on it,as does the map.
PvE isnt the best,but PvP is not bad.
Really great guild abilitys!
Guys,u have to look at this game as a BETA rather than a FULL version.Give it the credit it deserves without pointing out every little aspec that it does/doesnt have.I think it will be a pretty good turn out on the full version with its unique feudal lord system.
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For those of you complaining about the game in this forum, STOP. I mean stop complaining in this forum, go the the RYL programmers and tell them your probs, that IS the point of Beta.
I have 2 complaints I already informed the programmers bout and that is the graphics and how to play the game (the game play and how to lvl is kinda vague). The graphics will improve after awhile and there may be additional cams, there is not even a launch date for the game so there is plenty of time for improvements.
you guys and girls have the chance to make a game better so do it, or these companies may get tired of all the freeloaders and Nay-sayers and stop giving away beta accounts and just start paying companies overseas or beta test with smaller groups. How would ya like that??
All I hope is that the instruction manual in the full release is really detailed.
you people that complain about RYL, the closed beta, and i repeat, the closed beta, DONT HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT A GOOD GAME IS
about graphics.. they are just cool for a medium performance.. lets wait for the high performance with geforce titanium or ati radeon 9400+ . I really dont like the graphics of EQ or some other "open beta" games and released games... they are just.. FALSE.. RYL graphics try to get as close as posible to what the real old times was, and its kinda close to get a 10 in MY rank
Have fun testing the beta, and if you don't like, just leave the beta or a little email to the gms of how to complete the game a little more . isn't it faster to write a msg to gms, than to read the whole forum looking if a gm is active the 24/7 ?
Yes, I was going to think that this will be a "bash up the game" thread until now.
Please stop commenting about how the game sucks and help out with the closed beta testing! If you really feel this game is not worth playing then why are u still holding on to the account? pass it to someone else who deserves it more.
I have quite a positive impression of this game since i started paying for it for the Taiwan version and trust me the new patch is good. ( those who played before will also agreee with me)
So the game jus needs some time to grow, let the economy mature, and let the community learn the culture within this game and lets just make some friiends. And you will view this game from another diffferent perspective.
Well I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person here who dislikes this game. Now I'm on a search for a good MMORPG...*sighs* So far no luck. I need a credit card bad...
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Originally posted by DeadThorn Well I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person here who dislikes this game. Now I'm on a search for a good MMORPG...*sighs* So far no luck. I need a credit card bad...
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wow..now we see that any other persons opinion that actually has a base argument and facts does not have any effect on you. Give somone your password you loser, and go play anotehr game to complain about.
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This board was created so people could actually REVIEW this game, good and bad. Just because I don't agree with you dosn't mean you have the right to be a rude neanderthal. Learn some Online Ettiquite, then come back to this board. I personally feel that the game has a horrible interface, lousy graphics, boring gameplay, and is completely unsocial what so ever. Thats my take on it, and odds are some of you don't agree with me. If you don't, fine. Just don't go and be dumbasses to people that happen to disagree with you.
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This board was created so people could actually REVIEW this game, good and bad. Just because I don't agree with you dosn't mean you have the right to be a rude neanderthal. Learn some Online Ettiquite, then come back to this board. I personally feel that the game has a horrible interface, lousy graphics, boring gameplay, and is completely unsocial what so ever. Thats my take on it, and odds are some of you don't agree with me. If you don't, fine. Just don't go and be dumbasses to people that happen to disagree with you.
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Ehh na. No this forum was not created to Review the game (discussions on the game is limited due to the NDA) . It is mostly a place to discuss this game in general. And I believe that your disgust with the game should be passed along to the RYL programmers first and if the NDA permits you can post general comments about the game. All of your probs with the game can be fixed, so voice the issues to someone that can do something about it!! Do you think this is how the full release game is gonna be like? No. Do you think that the game is gonna get better? Yes.
To me most of you people are complaining about the game must have thought that you were getting free access to a full release game. This is a beta and there is no release date, the team at RYL knows there must be improvements so they are looking to us the beta testers to help.
I can see why there was so many beta accounts made available, cause out of the 1000 only about 50 actually are gonna TEST the game, while 950 will prolly b-tch and moan on how bad the graphics are. The 950 are just there to be place holders and test the servers. I dont know how good the game is gonna be, but I can appreciate new ideas that they are trying the make happen and I will be there when the programmers and beta testers make changes to the game.
1. Read the NDA
2. Submit your problems to the programmers
3. If you want a full release game for free---> go play Tic-Tac-Toe.
Originally posted by Solomon For those of you complaining about the game in this forum, STOP. I mean stop complaining in this forum, go the the RYL programmers and tell them your probs, that IS the point of Beta. I have 2 complaints I already informed the programmers bout and that is the graphics and how to play the game (the game play and how to lvl is kinda vague). The graphics will improve after awhile and there may be additional cams, there is not even a launch date for the game so there is plenty of time for improvements. you guys and girls have the chance to make a game better so do it, or these companies may get tired of all the freeloaders and Nay-sayers and stop giving away beta accounts and just start paying companies overseas or beta test with smaller groups. How would ya like that?? All I hope is that the instruction manual in the full release is really detailed.
I really didnt want to jump back into this but....
Your comment on the company taking their business elsewhere is ludicrous to say the least. Please understand economics before you shout your mouth off about something you blatantly know nothing about. I mean jesus you cant be so stupid not to understand some basic math can you?
Ok lets try and explain (yes just for your benefit):
1000 Beta testers = about 250 ish dedicated will play beta testers. Now lets take these 250 and say they each play the game/report bugs etc in a usual manner. Lets now say these 250 each play for a minimal 15 hrs per week.
Now these figures are probably way underestimates and the real values would be highly increases.
So lets begin some math:
250 people multiplied by 15 hrs a piece = 3750 hrs per week testing.
Now for your argument lets say the company did beta testing another way and EMPLOYES and PAID for 40 dedicated beta testers (no outside testing as u suggest):
40 x 40 working hrs (per week) = 1600 hrs.
Now lets do costing in the format : Startup costs (i.e costs that are paid and required to start) + (weekly costs):
Dedicated Paid Group: 0 dollars( initial cost is 0) + 40 x 140 dollars(a smittance of a wage for a beta tester)
So if my Math is correct 1000 Beta costs are 500 dollars, whereas Dedicated are 5600 dollars per week.
Now it doesnt take much intelligence to realise it is much more cost effective, much more effective in general to use FREE beta testers, remember we are testing this game for free that in fact people are paid to do the work we choose to do for free.
Finally to finalise the figures to really shock you.
Say the beta lasts for 3 months (not an unreasonable length of time) then that is approx 12 weeks.
Final Tallys are:
Free beta testers: 500 dollars
Paid Group: 67,200 Dollars.
Thats an amasing 134 times more for Paid beta testers than us unpaid beta testers.
Final Thought: These Companies NEED us beta testers, yes even the free loaders/nay-sayers otherwise the costs of creating a game would increase and perhaps we wouldnt see as many games hit the market.
Now please dont start saying my math is incorrect, because these figures are choosen of the top of my head, and have been grossly underestimated to provide the same effort as a 1000 beta testing team.
I apologise for going off at a rant at you, but your lack of basic intiution/knowledge or just the "think before you speak" caused my mathematical brain to go into overdrive.
The World is all about the money man, and we are doing the companies a favour by testing there game, even the beta players are by stress testing the servers.
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I really didnt want to jump back into this but.... Your comment on the company taking their business elsewhere is ludicrous to say the least. Please understand economics before you shout your mouth off about something you blatantly know nothing about. I mean jesus you cant be so stupid not to understand some basic math can you? Ok lets try and explain (yes just for your benefit): 1000 Beta testers = about 250 ish dedicated will play beta testers. Now lets take these 250 and say they each play the game/report bugs etc in a usual manner. Lets now say these 250 each play for a minimal 15 hrs per week. Now these figures are probably way underestimates and the real values would be highly increases. So lets begin some math: 250 people multiplied by 15 hrs a piece = 3750 hrs per week testing. Now for your argument lets say the company did beta testing another way and EMPLOYES and PAID for 40 dedicated beta testers (no outside testing as u suggest): 40 x 40 working hrs (per week) = 1600 hrs. Now lets do costing in the format : Startup costs (i.e costs that are paid and required to start) + (weekly costs): 1000 Beta tester group: 500 dollars (for giving details to mmorpg.com/small admin costs) + 0 (weekly FEE) Dedicated Paid Group: 0 dollars( initial cost is 0) + 40 x 140 dollars(a smittance of a wage for a beta tester) So if my Math is correct 1000 Beta costs are 500 dollars, whereas Dedicated are 5600 dollars per week. Now it doesnt take much intelligence to realise it is much more cost effective, much more effective in general to use FREE beta testers, remember we are testing this game for free that in fact people are paid to do the work we choose to do for free. Finally to finalise the figures to really shock you. Say the beta lasts for 3 months (not an unreasonable length of time) then that is approx 12 weeks. Final Tallys are: Free beta testers: 500 dollars Paid Group: 67,200 Dollars. Thats an amasing 134 times more for Paid beta testers than us unpaid beta testers. Final Thought: These Companies NEED us beta testers, yes even the free loaders/nay-sayers otherwise the costs of creating a game would increase and perhaps we wouldnt see as many games hit the market. Now please dont start saying my math is incorrect, because these figures are choosen of the top of my head, and have been grossly underestimated to provide the same effort as a 1000 beta testing team. I apologise for going off at a rant at you, but your lack of basic intiution/knowledge or just the "think before you speak" caused my mathematical brain to go into overdrive. The World is all about the money man, and we are doing the companies a favour by testing there game, even the beta players are by stress testing the servers.
Kinda like the smiley above, the money and paying for beta testers was not the point of my post. I admit I pulled that comment about paying to beta test out of a hat and really did not do the math at first, but I did not mean on the scale you were using. I did say smaller groups, right. (not the 1000 that were in your calculations) I meant more like 10ppl at $9/hr or 10 ppl over seas at $4/hr (reasonable wage)on a 40hr work week and they would be assigned to test for maybe 2-3 games from one company. Lets say the beta would run for 4 months one group would run $432,000 and the over seas group would run $192,000. After the intial beta test that got out the bugs then they prolly would have an open beta to test the servers for a month. Yeah those amounts may seem steep but in business they can be quickly made back up if they raised the price per month or added to the cost to the initial purchase of the game.
Lets say they added $2 to the monthly fee and for sake of the argument 6000 subscribers. Thats $12,000 per month and in 8 months that would be $96,000. Now do not forget that they tested 2-3 games. So lets multiply by 2. and that is $192,000 they completely made up for the cost to have the game tested by overseas ppl. Oh my!! And that is only if they released 2 games.
Neas, math does not shock me, you can make the numbers say what you want them to say as long as you know what you want to be said. You may have a mathematical brain but the this is business and business makes no sense. All businesses need is an Analyst to tell them that the beta testing would be more efficient overseas and that would be it for all the early betas.
Now it may not be plausible for the companies to pay for beta testers, but it is feasible and it may happen if the beta testers do not play the game and help get the bugs out.
Back to my point, I am just trying to give my opinions on ppl who should not write "reviews" for beta games and how ppl that complain about this game should actually voice their complaints in a fashion that would benefit all. This is not the place for us beta testers to post complaints on this game. These probs with the game can and prolly will be fixed in a patch or several.
I had no idea there were some trully fastidious ppl in this forum like Neas. Please do not pick on this math thing and no grammar police, aight.
Originally posted by DeadThorn Well I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person here who dislikes this game. Now I'm on a search for a good MMORPG...*sighs* So far no luck. I need a credit card bad...
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I dont really like guys liku you, because u missed a POINT of BETA.Its not only about well another beta its chance to play game for free and when i find 1st bug then i go to forum and put a mess on the game it is whole of bug dont play it!! You should tell it to developers because beta is about bugs that need to be checked out.Its not final product!!!!
Its like when your friend ask u for comment his new page and i didnt think that u tell him its piece of shit when it isnt perfect but u can tell him mmh not bad but u should change this and maybe add this and change background becoz its awfull atc.This is like beta.Its about helping to improve the product.
I am sorry but I really have to laugh at the people that are complaining about our complaining of the game so give me one moment. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA okay done.
Now seriously... First off we have every right to complain... America idiot! So as long as we have the right to complain, we may exercise it. Second, yes this is a beta... And yes beta generally are worse then full version... But the big point is, this game isnt even ready for beta, it shouldnt have left alpha 'yet'.
And do the person who said we dont know what a good game is... Get the hell out of this forum, we dont need you. A good game doesnt rely on graphics, you are right there. Even though without graphics the chances of a good game being successful are greatly reduced (Ultima Online 'was' one of the best games in my opinion) and they had pretty rough graphics. A good game however does reflect from story line, game play, captivity of the mind and heart, and for MMORPG's, the ease of use.
The story line was rather weak. And what story line it had, was poorly followed thus far.
The game play was just terrible. Like I said in my first post, game play sucks, but they do have good concepts, like the battle system. They just didnt have the money or power to back it.
Captivity of the mind and heart. This is a huge one. What in a good game makes the player want to come back again and again? What makes the player for just that one moment stretch a smile across his or her face and feel a warm tug at their heart when they just got done with a role playing sernario? A sense of success, that they actualy contributed to the story line (I do understand that since this is a beta, this item 9 times out of a 10 will be left out, so I am not complaining about this part until the game goes Gold, if it does).
Captivity of the mind but not the heart still should have been acomplished as early as the install screens with the screen shots. Game companies need to keep even their beta testers entertained enough to want to stick with working with a game. Do you go to work and sit in a cubicle with plain walls, with no color and poor attitudes all around you? No, I bet theres at least motivational posters, and a neet screen saver on your computer. That is work... But it is doctored up so you feel happier when you are 'working'.
Now please only post in this forum if you have logical arguements... Not just to argue, if that is the case head over to go-gaia...
WE KNOW THIS IS A BETA!!! SO LEAVE US ALONE. WE REPORT TO THE PROGRAMMERS WHAT IS WRONG, AND WE RANT HERE!!! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT READ IT. THIS THREAD NAME IS, 'MY REVIEW OF RYL' REVIEW, YA HEAR THAT? REVIEW! IF YOU FEEL WE DONT REPORT TO THE PROGRAMMERS ENOUGH, SEND THEM A LINK TO THIS THREAD!
I dont really like guys liku you, because u missed a POINT of BETA.Its not only about well another beta its chance to play game for free and when i find 1st bug then i go to forum and put a mess on the game it is whole of bug dont play it!! You should tell it to developers because beta is about bugs that need to be checked out.Its not final product!!!!
Its like when your friend ask u for comment his new page and i didnt think that u tell him its piece of shit when it isnt perfect but u can tell him mmh not bad but u should change this and maybe add this and change background becoz its awfull atc.This is like beta.Its about helping to improve the product.
The only way to make this game better is to start over and make a completely different game with originality and thought; fire all the programmers, artists, and translators and start over. How you gonna put that in a bug report?
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I cant remember clicking a "I AGREE" button anywhere either. I gave my details to mmorpg.com (not a legal agreement at that point, just some info) then i got an email with the username and pass.
I then downloaded the open to public beta client (no nda broke there), and logged in with my pass and username.
Unless there is some magic NDA small print then i dont think i "signed" for anything.
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Gosh..it's beta testing guys...you have to help out to make the game better...
About the translation...It's one of the most important thing you have to look at while beta testing. You have to write down what translation is not good and send it to the dev team.
Ok. Time for me to voice out straight and easy. WARNING! NOT FOR SOFT-HEARTED!
1. Translation : i know this is a really popular issuse between Malaysian(me) and you guys (US and other countries). I know it is funny to read those broken english that was translated. Do bare in mind. Translating a game is not as easy as translating a DOCUMENT. Games come out fantasy names and they need time to figure out the actual name before its TOO LATE. I know some of the NPC talk like riddlers and THIS is only a BETA TESTING... i repeat BETA TESTING and it is not an OPEN BETA.
2. Testing : what you call testing? Define out!. Our purpose is to TEST out the game, report bugs, help out in TRANSLATION. I know some of you RYL players were teasing Malaysian that we dont read english and speak english... if not i dont think i will know how to write this reply.
3. Reviews and sutff : I read all your reviews about this game. Everyone have a different taste of playing games. So please! stop saying this game (or others) have bad graphics. I can understand you guys demand high graphics, but dont you try out the high settings for the RYL? Did it say " This setting hasn't implemented into the game?". Why is it Tibia have good feedback on thier game where they have sucky top-down GFX? think that. The most important thing is thier storyline and the next is thier gameplay (quest, customization) nd the last is graphics. I know, some of you love 3D MMORPG but keep in mind, not all games can give you good GRAPHICS.. but they give you good STORYLINE and GAMEPLAY for you to stick on.
Thats all for now. I do play RYL and here is my review.
This game is still new to the English World but in the taiwan RYL, i felt that when there is no hackers around, the gameplay in the Arena is really interesting and real fun. Think of quake 3 and you will know what i mean. So far, the graphics is still bad due to the limitation of resolution and setting for the graphics where this game is only for testing purpose. Leveling up in RYL is realy fast if you party alot and be friendly to others. I did my character to level 18 in 1 and the half days.
My recommendation? This game is for those who love strong teamwork and leadership. If you are a hardcore PvP player, i dont think this game is suitable for you. Trust me, when you are in the Arena, the fun is all there and you wont ever think of getting out of arena till you get a good points in fame.
Sorry if i am too straight forward.
Cmon fellas,its in the beta stage!!The reason for beta is not to get the best ever free MMORPG,but to try and make it a good,solid game.Thats why it is closed to people who take the survay and are supposed to be experienced players of MMORPGs,non-experienced players of MMORPGs,and newbies so they can get an all around reply from different audiences.
Also,if you didnt read the little wording when you first load the game,it says"please report any bugs OR SUGGESTIONS to this e-mail here".Meaning,you're encouraged to give ideas that are possible to put in the game to make it that much better.
Personnaly,i can see where the game has its vices and virtues,but its really not that bad of a game.
Graphics are always worse in beta than full versions.
Combat is real time,and its pretty fun.
Lvl system is quite similar to Diablo 2s.
Player enviorment is ok,most people talk.
Interface does need alot of work on it,as does the map.
PvE isnt the best,but PvP is not bad.
Really great guild abilitys!
Guys,u have to look at this game as a BETA rather than a FULL version.Give it the credit it deserves without pointing out every little aspec that it does/doesnt have.I think it will be a pretty good turn out on the full version with its unique feudal lord system.
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For those of you complaining about the game in this forum, STOP. I mean stop complaining in this forum, go the the RYL programmers and tell them your probs, that IS the point of Beta.
I have 2 complaints I already informed the programmers bout and that is the graphics and how to play the game (the game play and how to lvl is kinda vague). The graphics will improve after awhile and there may be additional cams, there is not even a launch date for the game so there is plenty of time for improvements.
All I hope is that the instruction manual in the full release is really detailed.
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you people that complain about RYL, the closed beta, and i repeat, the closed beta, DONT HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT A GOOD GAME IS
about graphics.. they are just cool for a medium performance.. lets wait for the high performance with geforce titanium or ati radeon 9400+
. I really dont like the graphics of EQ or some other "open beta" games and released games... they are just.. FALSE.. RYL graphics try to get as close as posible to what the real old times was, and its kinda close to get a 10 in MY rank 
Have fun testing the beta, and if you don't like, just leave the beta or a little email to the gms of how to complete the game a little more
. isn't it faster to write a msg to gms, than to read the whole forum looking if a gm is active the 24/7 ?
not worth it to complain of a closed beta
by a PvP Master
by a PvP Master
Yes, I was going to think that this will be a "bash up the game" thread until now.
Please stop commenting about how the game sucks and help out with the closed beta testing! If you really feel this game is not worth playing then why are u still holding on to the account? pass it to someone else who deserves it more.
I have quite a positive impression of this game since i started paying for it for the Taiwan version and trust me the new patch is good. ( those who played before will also agreee with me)
So the game jus needs some time to grow, let the economy mature, and let the community learn the culture within this game and lets just make some friiends. And you will view this game from another diffferent perspective.
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Here we go, the world is spining, when it stops, its just beging, sun comes up, we laugh and cry, so goes down, and we all die...-Samara Morgan "The Ring"
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People say I'm weird for being a proud Nerd. I say people are weird for being proudly normal. FREAKS!
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This board was created so people could actually REVIEW this game, good and bad. Just because I don't agree with you dosn't mean you have the right to be a rude neanderthal. Learn some Online Ettiquite, then come back to this board. I personally feel that the game has a horrible interface, lousy graphics, boring gameplay, and is completely unsocial what so ever. Thats my take on it, and odds are some of you don't agree with me. If you don't, fine. Just don't go and be dumbasses to people that happen to disagree with you.
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Here we go, the world is spining, when it stops, its just beging, sun comes up, we laugh and cry, so goes down, and we all die...-Samara Morgan "The Ring"
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People say I'm weird for being a proud Nerd. I say people are weird for being proudly normal. FREAKS!
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Here we go, the world is spining, when it stops, its just beging, sun comes up, we laugh and cry, so goes down, and we all die...-Samara Morgan "The Ring"
Ehh na. No this forum was not created to Review the game (discussions on the game is limited due to the NDA) . It is mostly a place to discuss this game in general. And I believe that your disgust with the game should be passed along to the RYL programmers first and if the NDA permits you can post general comments about the game. All of your probs with the game can be fixed, so voice the issues to someone that can do something about it!! Do you think this is how the full release game is gonna be like? No. Do you think that the game is gonna get better? Yes.
To me most of you people are complaining about the game must have thought that you were getting free access to a full release game. This is a beta and there is no release date, the team at RYL knows there must be improvements so they are looking to us the beta testers to help.
I can see why there was so many beta accounts made available, cause out of the 1000 only about 50 actually are gonna TEST the game, while 950 will prolly b-tch and moan on how bad the graphics are. The 950 are just there to be place holders and test the servers. I dont know how good the game is gonna be, but I can appreciate new ideas that they are trying the make happen and I will be there when the programmers and beta testers make changes to the game.
1. Read the NDA
2. Submit your problems to the programmers
3. If you want a full release game for free---> go play Tic-Tac-Toe.
RYL--Its all up hill from here.
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level 36 Fire/Ice Tanker
Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, EverQuest 2 World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
Kinda like the smiley above, the money and paying for beta testers was not the point of my post. I admit I pulled that comment about paying to beta test out of a hat and really did not do the math at first, but I did not mean on the scale you were using. I did say smaller groups, right. (not the 1000 that were in your calculations) I meant more like 10ppl at $9/hr or 10 ppl over seas at $4/hr (reasonable wage)on a 40hr work week and they would be assigned to test for maybe 2-3 games from one company. Lets say the beta would run for 4 months one group would run $432,000 and the over seas group would run $192,000. After the intial beta test that got out the bugs then they prolly would have an open beta to test the servers for a month. Yeah those amounts may seem steep but in business they can be quickly made back up if they raised the price per month or added to the cost to the initial purchase of the game.
Lets say they added $2 to the monthly fee and for sake of the argument 6000 subscribers. Thats $12,000 per month and in 8 months that would be $96,000. Now do not forget that they tested 2-3 games. So lets multiply by 2. and that is $192,000 they completely made up for the cost to have the game tested by overseas ppl.
Oh my!! And that is only if they released 2 games.
Neas, math does not shock me, you can make the numbers say what you want them to say as long as you know what you want to be said. You may have a mathematical brain but the this is business and business makes no sense. All businesses need is an Analyst to tell them that the beta testing would be more efficient overseas and that would be it for all the early betas.
Now it may not be plausible for the companies to pay for beta testers, but it is feasible and it may happen if the beta testers do not play the game and help get the bugs out.
Back to my point, I am just trying to give my opinions on ppl who should not write "reviews" for beta games and how ppl that complain about this game should actually voice their complaints in a fashion that would benefit all. This is not the place for us beta testers to post complaints on this game. These probs with the game can and prolly will be fixed in a patch or several.
I had no idea there were some trully fastidious ppl in this forum like Neas. Please do not pick on this math thing and no grammar police, aight.
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I dont really like guys liku you, because u missed a POINT of BETA.Its not only about well another beta its chance to play game for free and when i find 1st bug then i go to forum and put a mess on the game it is whole of bug dont play it!!
You should tell it to developers because beta is about bugs that need to be checked out.Its not final product!!!!
Its like when your friend ask u for comment his new page and i didnt think that u tell him its piece of shit when it isnt perfect but u can tell him mmh not bad but u should change this and maybe add this and change background becoz its awfull atc.This is like beta.Its about helping to improve the product.
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I am sorry but I really have to laugh at the people that are complaining about our complaining of the game so give me one moment. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA okay done.
Now seriously... First off we have every right to complain... America idiot! So as long as we have the right to complain, we may exercise it. Second, yes this is a beta... And yes beta generally are worse then full version... But the big point is, this game isnt even ready for beta, it shouldnt have left alpha 'yet'.
And do the person who said we dont know what a good game is... Get the hell out of this forum, we dont need you. A good game doesnt rely on graphics, you are right there. Even though without graphics the chances of a good game being successful are greatly reduced (Ultima Online 'was' one of the best games in my opinion) and they had pretty rough graphics. A good game however does reflect from story line, game play, captivity of the mind and heart, and for MMORPG's, the ease of use.
The story line was rather weak. And what story line it had, was poorly followed thus far.
The game play was just terrible. Like I said in my first post, game play sucks, but they do have good concepts, like the battle system. They just didnt have the money or power to back it.
Captivity of the mind and heart. This is a huge one. What in a good game makes the player want to come back again and again? What makes the player for just that one moment stretch a smile across his or her face and feel a warm tug at their heart when they just got done with a role playing sernario? A sense of success, that they actualy contributed to the story line (I do understand that since this is a beta, this item 9 times out of a 10 will be left out, so I am not complaining about this part until the game goes Gold, if it does).
Captivity of the mind but not the heart still should have been acomplished as early as the install screens with the screen shots. Game companies need to keep even their beta testers entertained enough to want to stick with working with a game. Do you go to work and sit in a cubicle with plain walls, with no color and poor attitudes all around you? No, I bet theres at least motivational posters, and a neet screen saver on your computer. That is work... But it is doctored up so you feel happier when you are 'working'.
Now please only post in this forum if you have logical arguements... Not just to argue, if that is the case head over to go-gaia...
Thanks for your time I know the post is long.
Oh, and one last this *ahem*
WE KNOW THIS IS A BETA!!! SO LEAVE US ALONE. WE REPORT TO THE PROGRAMMERS WHAT IS WRONG, AND WE RANT HERE!!! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT READ IT. THIS THREAD NAME IS, 'MY REVIEW OF RYL' REVIEW, YA HEAR THAT? REVIEW! IF YOU FEEL WE DONT REPORT TO THE PROGRAMMERS ENOUGH, SEND THEM A LINK TO THIS THREAD!
*clears throat and sits back down* Thank you
I dont really like guys liku you, because u missed a POINT of BETA.Its not only about well another beta its chance to play game for free and when i find 1st bug then i go to forum and put a mess on the game it is whole of bug dont play it!!
You should tell it to developers because beta is about bugs that need to be checked out.Its not final product!!!!
Its like when your friend ask u for comment his new page and i didnt think that u tell him its piece of shit when it isnt perfect but u can tell him mmh not bad but u should change this and maybe add this and change background becoz its awfull atc.This is like beta.Its about helping to improve the product.
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The only way to make this game better is to start over and make a completely different game with originality and thought; fire all the programmers, artists, and translators and start over. How you gonna put that in a bug report?
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