what a load of crap..

mikael159 · April 2007

I dont know whats wrong with this game but something is wrong

WSIMike · April 2007

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by rshandlon

I hope you do realize that Gameloading is just a forum junkie and has been for as long as I have been coming here. He constantly pushes his opinion on EVERYONE and that has not changed since the first time I saw one of his posts. I think he just picks a new game forum each month to enter and try and bully everyone out of.

Actually I give a voice to my opinion and I debate with people about it who disagree with me. you know, the things forums are for? Just because I actually stand and debate does not mean I am pushing my opinion on everyone

But you don't debate, GL. You strong-arm and speak in absolutes and dismiss people's opinions wholesale based on your own home-grown "standard" of what a valid opinion is.

Here's an example of what a debate would be:

Poster: This game sucks! It's the worst game ever!

Debater: Well, what sucks about it? What parts of it don't you like that you think makes it the worst game ever?

Poster: Everything! The whole game is a joke!

Debater: Everything? So you've played the entire game and are commenting on every part of it? How much of it did you actually play?

Poster: I got to level 10, but I can tell already it sucks.

Debater: Okay, so you can't say the whole game sucks since you only got to level 10. So what about the game up to level 10 do you think is a joke? I'm looking for specifics here. Battle system? Quests? Gear? What?

Unforuntatly, it is impossible to debate with someone who does not know what he is talking about. I'm sorry to inform you that I'm in my right to chose what I consider a valid opinion. Played the game for a good amount of time? Experienced most of the content? Then you can debate over a game, but not when someone only played a part of the game and the rest of the game is speculation for him.
Wow. You know, I consider myself a fairly intelligent person with a good grasp of the English language and an ability to convey what I'm trying to say... But you are rendering me completely dumbfounded. I've never experienced this kind of thick-headedness. Ever.
If someone has played a game for the first 10 levels, then they absolutely can know what they're talking about for those first 10 levels. Absolutely. They played it. They experienced it. Just like you did. And if that's all they're commenting on - then their opinion is perfectly valid - whether you agree with it or not. If they decide that based on that early experience, the game really isn't good enough *to them* to continue playing - then that is completely valid.. again, whether you think so or not. Or are you now going to argue that your opinion of the first few levels of a game are meaningless if you haven't gotten to end-game? At this point it wouldn't surprise me.
The more I read your responses to this idea, the more it occurs to me why you refuse to qualify people's opinions and find out exactly what they're talking about, instead of assuming. Because if you did actually qualify them, it might actually require you to accept and, heaven forbid, respect an opinion you disagree with.
.. and on and on...

Debating someone is getting them to qualify and defend and back-up their points-of-view. In doing that, often times you'll reveal if they actually even have a clue of what they're talking about. Someone in the Anarchy Online forums posted such a thing, stating that he got to level 300 as a way to prove he'd played the game. Ironically, the game only goes to level 220. So he was obviously full of it. I call that shutting someone down, and it's a hell of a lot of fun to do. In all, though, obviously *something* about the game made them think what they do. You don't dismiss them outright for not having played the whole game, but you certainly call them on what they have. Another thing I see you do is make assumptions of people and then respond to them. You assume someone didn't really play 'til end game. Do you ask them? No. Do you qualify their comments to see if they really know what they're talking about? No. You just assume they didn't, and try to shush them accordingly.

Because again, I actually played the game. Those who played the game can easily pick out those who actually played it, and those that didn't get further then the first few levels. your AO example is a perfect example.
Okay... So have you ever qualified someone in a debate in that manner? I've yet to see it. I've yet to see you ask someone to specify exactly *what* they didn't like. I've seen you say that someone couldn't have gotten to end-game because they said in an earlier post that they wouldn't play it. That doesn't mean they didn't go on to play it anyway. Hell.. I've quit FFXI several times "for good". Guess what I'm playing at the moment? People's words often reflect their thoughts *at that moment*; they're not etched in stone for all eternity. Again, qualifying someone who says they played 'til end game will sort out whether they're telling the truth or not. I've yet to see you do that. Your comment was simply, "You obviously never played until end-game". Again.. no qualifiers. No probing questions to see exactly what they did or didn't experience. Just your own assumptions based on opinions you don't like or agree with.

Sometimes asking probing questions like that might reveal that they misunderstood a part of the game, or weren't aware of it - well now you've got the opportunity to educate someone on something that might well turn their opinion around once they know about it. I've seen that happen many times as well.

Now in your case, what I see you do quite often could be summed up like this:

Poster: This game sucks! It's the biggest joke ever!

You: You obviously didn't play the game enough to see what it's like at the end-game, so your opinion means nothing. You're of no use here, so leave.

That's obviously a very condensed version of what I've seen you do... but it pretty much summarizes it. That is not debating. That is not qualifying. That is just outright telling someone they're wrong, their opinion doesn't count and basically telling them to leave.

You at least admit its a very condendsed version. let me fix that, its an EXTREMELY condensed version of what actually happens. not going to write a detailed response to that.
Oh, let's not get intellectually dishonest now, GL. I've read post after post after post after post by you. They're all the same. They can be so well summed up because you never deviate from the same tactic. You dismiss the opinions of anyone if they disagree with your own.

Anything negative expressed about the game results in your telling the person they obviously didn't play long enough and so their opinion doesn't count.

Again, far from the truth. It would be wise if you would actually read all of my posts instead of just looking in one thread and judge all my posts on that.
lol.. I've been, inadverdantly, following your posts for some time, and not only in this thread.. hell, not even in this game's forum. I've seen you on the same soap-box in the LII forums as well. It's not far from the truth. It's a recognizable pattern. If there's a negative post about any game you're interested in, 99% chance you're going to be represented in there, telling the OP their opinion doesn't matter because they obviously didn't play enough of the game.

I've seen you do that time and again. And again, I've never seen you do this to people who post rave reviews of it after not playing it 'til end game. How can someone really say it's a great game if they haven't played 'til end game? I've only seen you pounce on the negative posts, which does make you seem very biased and not at all consistent in your judgement.

Seriously, read my posts. its really annoying now, I have already explained why I don't write replies such as that at them.

And by the by... you *do* bully people. I myself have debated you in the past on telling people to stop posting if they don't like the game. You'd even said once that you'd be sticking around until the people who didn't like the game stopped posting in the forums and let the people who did enjoy it discuss it. Which is, of course, not only unrealistic, but also a ridiculous thing to expect. This isn't "1984" and we certainly aren't sharing an Orwellian society on a message forum where people are censored from voicing negative views. Forums are intended to host opinions of all kinds - positive or negative.. or otherwise.

Thats hardly bullying, Please look up what the word actually means.

Moving on, its a Game. just a game. if you don't like it, move on.

Where do I say that's why you go from game to game? I'm sure you go game to game because it happens to interest you. The bullying is just what happens once you've made yourself at home there. As for the meaning of "bully".. please, spare me the semantics. I may think you're incredibly narrow-minded and ignorant... but I know you're not stupid. Anyone reading it in the context of the comment it's used in would get the meaning of it, as I'm sure you did as well.

I have to admit, I've seen you on other games' forums pretty much rallying up the same type of dialog. Telling people their opinions are invalid and attempting to shoo them out of the forums if they disagree with you.

Yes, and I'm sure this thread has not helped you get an unbiased view of my posts. Let me clear it up for you, the ONLY other games of which I said "Play for a reasonable amount of time" in concerning sections are Lineage 2 and to a certain extent RF Online, thats it and all. I do not move from "Forum to forum" with the intention to bully people out, thats simply a downright lie. there is no arguement, its fact.

And again, nowhere do I say that 's your sole reason for going forum to forum; it's just what you do once you get there. Stop putting words in my mouth. How can anyone get an unbiased view of your posts when your posts aren't unbiased in the first place? You do not allow any negative opinions about a game you like to go un-dismissed. You've told me this *yourself*. And if you want to call me a "liar" on that, I will dig back into the past posts and find and quote your exact words for you; even link to the post itself. You do not want to see negative posts about a game and will not rest until people with negative opinions stop posting in them; that's a paraphrase of what you once said. And what is "a reasonable amount of time", to you, is "'til end-game". You've said this yourself as well; no one can voice an opinion of a game if they didn't see all the game has to offer. On the other end of things, you won't accept that someone might only be speaking about the 10 levels they played and assume they *must* be talking about the entire game - to the point that you won't even attempt to qualify that for yourself.

But honnestly, I'm tired of you Mike. You have proven again and again that you barely understand any of my points, Nor do you understand anything of my posting behavior, and you have thrown in a couple of lies to further back up your arguement.

You will be added to my block list from now on, My advice to you is to carefully read what other postsers post next time you want to go into a discussion with someone
Translation:

"You're calling BS on me and making points that I can't counter because a fair perusal of my posting history bears out everything you've said. Therefor, I'm going to deny what I said, accuse you of misconstruing and lying, even when you haven't, and then block you so I can't see any further rebuttal from you. Ignorance is bliss, after all."

Good luck with that crusade
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I move to a new game forum each month to enter and try to bully everyone out? Thats just a horrible lie.

Nabatam · April 2007

For all that is sacred in a MMO.... you guys are all giving me a headache with so many colors and massive replies.

Come on, with all the posts you guys have you should have realized by now that people won't read such lengthy blocks of mostly useless drivel.

WSIMike · April 2007

Originally posted by Nabatam

For all that is sacred in a MMO.... you guys are all giving me a headache with so many colors and massive replies.

Come on, with all the posts you guys have you should have realized by now that people won't read such lengthy blocks of mostly useless drivel.

1. We were reading/responding.

2. You read it. No one forced you to.

3. You responded to it. No one forced you to.

As the saying goes... If you don't like what's on the radio, change the station. No one's making you listen to it.

Nabatam · April 2007

But unlike the radio, there are more people here than just the talk show host, so we are free to talk too.

If you don't like others participating, then you can go to private tells....

WSIMike · April 2007

Originally posted by Nabatam

But unlike the radio, there are more people here than just the talk show host, so we are free to talk too.

If you don't like others participating, then you can go to private tells....

I have no problem with others participating. None what-so-ever.

However, you didn't post to "participate". You posted to complain, about how the "colorful" and long posts are "giving you a headache". That's not participation and you added nothing to the discussion. Once again, if you find something unsatisfactory, then don't read it. No one is forcing you to.

Seriously... If it gives you a headache - then *skip it*. Staring straight into the sun gives me a headache... Here's a revelation for you... Since I greatly dislike headaches, I don't stand around looking straight into the sun. I hope that isn't surprising.

Another alternative is ignoring the long colorful/annoying posts and just share your own thoughts on the thread in general - mine and GLs posts are not the entire thread.

Failing that, I'm sure you could find *some* other threads in these forums to read that wouldn't offend you.

I have the right to post long messages in different colors, in order to differentiate my comments from someone else's.. and you have the right to not read them. It's really very simple.

Ginaz · May 2007

It only takes me about an hour or so to tell if I'm going to like a game. The early game experience is just as important as the stuff further on. A noob experience thats lacking is just laziness/incompetence on the part of the devs. If a game doesn't hook me right off the bat then I'm out. Why should I keep playing a game and hope that it will get better. Besides, every reputable gaming magazine and web site has pretty much said AL is crap.

KrymsonSykke · May 2007

Now sorry to all the AL lovers but I am agreeing with the others in this post, I played AL for about two months and it is crap sorry to say...So I picked up FFIX which I have always been a FF fan for atleast 13 years or so and it is like a 100 times better than AL...So I will say it again and this is pointed towards Gameloading or what ever your name is the game sucks I gave it a chance and I just didn't get hooked...

Gameloading · May 2007

"whatever your name is" ? first of all, you had it right. not only that, but you could have re-read my name to see if it was right, but I guess saying "whatever your name is" is a cool thing to say.

Second of all, why is it pointed at me? Oh, you think the game sucks, good for you, am I supposed to quit now, or did you had any effect in mind? You point at me , saying "the game sucks". If you can't be bothered to go into detail why you don't like the game, then I really don't care about your post.

jellojuice · May 2007

tried the game twice...not a piece of crap but not the greatest....about just right for a free to play game

Ninix · May 2007

Originally posted by erinys

Well i was hoping to play this evening ;(

i just bought the game, downloaded the client, and setup the key with my cogaccount, all without a problem.

but the game client keeps bitching about my password not being correct.. /sigh

i changed it, tried again.. no luck

now i filed a support ticket.. any clue how long that will take? hope not days. bought the game to play it this weekend.

/rant off

You downloaded the client? Have you even thought about installing the game from the cd u get? As far as i know... The client you can download is the formor "trial" client. Wich wont work with ur cg account. Its 2 different clients.... And you dont know if the game is crap yet.. The game is ok... Tot very very good graphics. And boring grinding at low lvl's. But if u hang in there the game gets better. Like all games... Low lvl = crap, medium lvl = ok cool, high = supream. ;

Regarts Simon Eriksen

WSIMike · May 2007

Originally posted by Ninix

Originally posted by erinys

Well i was hoping to play this evening ;(

i just bought the game, downloaded the client, and setup the key with my cogaccount, all without a problem.

but the game client keeps bitching about my password not being correct.. /sigh

i changed it, tried again.. no luck

now i filed a support ticket.. any clue how long that will take? hope not days. bought the game to play it this weekend.

/rant off

You downloaded the client? Have you even thought about installing the game from the cd u get? As far as i know... The client you can download is the formor "trial" client. Wich wont work with ur cg account. Its 2 different clients.... And you dont know if the game is crap yet.. The game is ok... Tot very very good graphics. And boring grinding at low lvl's. But if u hang in there the game gets better. Like all games... Low lvl = crap, medium lvl = ok cool, high = supream. ;

Regarts Simon Eriksen

The full account will work fine with the dl'd/trial client. That's how I did it and I didn't have to download or install anything additional to play.

SteveIrwin · May 2007

I played this game for many months and have learned that it is a piece of garbage. This game takes 0 skill and that's why the fanbois defend it so persistently. Thet need this game because they cant hack it in REAL games

WSIMike · May 2007

Originally posted by SteveIrwin

I played this game for many months and have learned that it is a piece of garbage. This game takes 0 skill and that's why the fanbois defend it so persistently. Thet need this game because they cant hack it in REAL games

Well I think that's a bit unfair of a statement to make. There's something for everyone, and no one should be mocked or insulted for their choice of what they want to play.

After playing the game for some time, I have come to the conclusion that, like Lineage II and its ilk, Archlord is exactly what I thought it would be - a grind-centric Korean-style MMO. Everything about the game is geared toward grinding - the frequent clustering of mobs, the fast kill-rate, the ridiculously fast respawn rate.... it's a classic grind game. Yes there are other things to do in the game, but the core of the game is based on grinding, plain and simple.

I'm already growing bored with it because, frankly, I find grinding to be an incredibly boring activity. it's just not my thing. But that's not me, I'm not going to slam others who do enjoy it though...

Let people enjoy whatever they enjoy, and you enjoy what you enjoy... and everyone's happy

.

Ninix · May 2007

If ur looking for a game without an uber grindfeast, u should try lotro u kinda cant lvl by killing mobs :P. Well yes you can, but it takes ages. Lotro is all about questing solving deeds like finding old tombs all around the world, earning traits 2 evolve your char, and the graphics are exelent. But then again, yes every1 should be alowed 2 play wich ever the game they wanna play

Reagards Simon Eriksen

ronan32 · May 2007

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by mehhem

You should've read some reviews on this site before you bought it. I think everyone and their mother knew this game was total crap before it was even released. I beta tested it too and it sucked. I played for an hour and was done.

Oh, so you played for a whole hour? wow, now you can fully judge the ENTIRE game eh?

Either play the game for a reasonable amount of time first or accept that your oppinion of the game should not be taken seriously.

everybody and their mother "knew" (should be thought) the game was total crap? go tell that to the thousands of people playing the game right now. why waste time playing something you dont like, life is too short.....if i dont like something after an hour im not going sit and play for the chance it might get better in 50 lvls time.....if the game designers cant catch your attention from the get go then its a poorly designed game...like all asian mmo's in my opinion....really boring pointless grindfests , full of horrible cheating people.

ronan32 · May 2007

[quote]Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by SteveIrwin
<Mod edit>

gameloading you are always looking for a fight.

beowulf2014 · May 2007

Well, my wife and I played it through beta on 4 months into live and it DOES suck. Bored to tears with it. Oh, and our toons were in the low 30s so dont tell me we didnt give it a chance. GAME SUCKS.

xenex413 · June 2007

I can't believe I read all this wow loving crap, stop comparing games and actually play before commenting, if your any level below 40 you can't really say anythign about the game because level 40 can be achieved in less than a day.

I am lvl 68 Elementalist started towards the end of January and love the game and lead one of the most active guilds in it, I have played WoW, Rose Online, Eve Online, Guild Wars, LOTR Online and a few others and I can tell you all games have problems and turn offs and until you achieve a decent level in all of them to actually enjoy the game you will say the game sucks so please stop flaming games if you don't like it put the game back in the box and go return it to the store for store credit, simple.

Damge53074 · June 2007

Sorry, but the game takes about two (2) days to reach level 30. Maybe you did try the game, but we all have our own opinions. This game was made for those who love to be in power AKA Player Vs Player (PVP). You can fight anyone just about anywhere except towns. The first two sets of armor may not look that interesting, but later on about level 40 your armor starts to get really thick and huge with spikes and from on there it just continues to get huger. If you are a fan of pvp and good looking armor and weapons this is the game for you. There is an auto potion use system so you don't have to worry about your health. It is very hard to make money in this game. It gets to the point where you have to buy gold from some kind of mmosite unless you take time to do potion quest runs. The attack spells look great its not your average smacking skill. Lighting bolts coming from the sky to strike your enemy to much more. I strongly recommend that you play Brumaheart server since Gaiahon has hardly anyone in it. The game has no monthly fees, but this website shows no retail price. The game cost around $20-$30 for a CD key. After you buy a CD key you are done with payments for life. I don't know why the game got a 7 for the graphics. It should personally be much higher than 7. Your character doesn't look that real at first, but once that armor hits you the game graphics come to life. Everyone is unique from buffing up your armor or from adding stones to your armor. The game isnt just a pure physical/power fighting game. There are slots you can add it your weapons/armors such as elemental stones ( wind, fire, water, magic, physical, dust, earth, ect) over all I am very addicted to the game It deserves a higher rating than 6.8. There are thousands of monsters in the game and the maps are extremely huge. Be sure to train in dungeons for you get 10 X more Exp than training outside on monsters. The game is full of action from fighting guild vs guild battles right in the middle of the town. All you have to spend is $20 and you can try this game you won't be upset with your choice. I heard there was a 7 day trail CD key somewhere on the website. If your really interested you can look for it www.archlordgame.com

nakuma · June 2007

Originally posted by boognish75

lol, nge sux ass dude , you have to admit that, i played nge swg, and it sux compared to ol' skool swg, but obraik will swear up n down its the funnest thing since silly puddy.Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by calubob

Call it what you want. The game is still crap there are many others who agree with me, in fact it is so bad they had to make it f2p believe me they didn't make that decision because the game is a winner.

And since when does playerbase even slightly hint towards a game quality? That would mean Saga of Ryzom and Asherons Call are poor games as well. The game is only crap in your opinion, which is based on VERY little experience of the game. Its like going to a theme park, check one ride, and then yell the entire theme park sucks.

Originally posted by boognish75

gameloading is to archlord as obraik is to swg.

Correct, People who actually PLAY the full game.

haha yeah boognish,i agree, obraik is halarious at times. when that dude picks a lost cause he reallllly commits. but there is an old saying....one man's garbage is another man's treasure. lol ill leave it like that , let it simmer for a few.

Im definitely a firm believer that 1st impressions are everything. From the UI, the questing, the combat system, character customization/creation, how your character moves. etc.i played archlord, and needless to say, when i played that game,it was such a horrific experience, it would make the baby jesus cry lol.

as far as im concerend its a budget, low quality, wanna be Lineage2. I played Lineage2 til my upper 50's as a DA. its a grind that borders on masochistic tendencies , but even that game has more appeal that AC will ever have. and its Economy is pooched but still offers far more than AC will ever offer.

AC is like Lineage 2's retarded younger brother.

Damge53074 · June 2007

Anyway lets try to get this game to a 7.0 guys

Damge53074 · June 2007

stupid gameim keeps spamming gold sales man keeps remaking accounts

SteveIrwin · June 2007

Im goin right now to give Archlord the lowest possible rating since its my opinion this game is utter garbage

shalldoom · June 2007

I'v been playing this game for over a week and i think the game is good for a F2P MMo. The worst thing about this game is the lvling as it took me about a week to reach lvl 15, dono how ppl say you can get lvl30 in 2 days, i play for 5 hours everyday.... anyways im playing till i hit 40 to see the new cool armors and mounts and stuff like that. If im not impressed its ALT+F4 for AL.

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