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  • SelothSeloth Member Posts: 388

    in rubutal:
    re:

    2) Can I drop a harvestor on a spot that is higher in resources than another spot?
    A: A windmill perhaps? I guess you don't want to actually head out and find rare resources yourself.

    node resource framing is a total pain in rear. As a pure crafting class the last thing you want is to have to deal with mobs and casual resources collectors, you want to focus on that which you enjoy..CRAFTING!

    3) Is there different qualities to resources that change each month or week? Making certain Items made with one batch better than another?
    A: Yep. You can always find rare resources if you know where to look, not to mention some of the best resources are high in the mountains and deep in swamps and other dangerous places.

    See above. Obviously you do not get it. finding resources to craft with is the preamble not the enjoyment.

    8) Can I quit being a Bard and become a Ranger?
    A: You cannot unlearn what you have learned. Am I the only one who thought it funny that in SWG every time I dropped a profession they washed my brain? How can you unlearn something you were once so skilled in? Buy there are 8 characters per server. Also, you can drop the crafting and harvesting professions. I also hear they may add an option to drop professions due to player feedback but have not seen such a statement for myself so who knows (or cares).

    Umm. Err. Peopel that enjoy a snadbox game do not enjoy being locked into a proffession template like you are describing. the freedom to change yoru mind and do somethign different was a key GOOD thing about SWG. you got bored with shooting thing? swtich no big deal. and obviously the guy that asked the question cares even if you do not.

    18) Is the game Crafting based or Loot based?
    A: The best items must be purchased from a player crafter. Also, there is item decay so you will eventually need to replace items as they wear out (when you repair items they loose overall quality just like in SWG). Welcome back to the days of keeping a special weapon at home because it means a lot to you.

    Strange brad musth have change the "vision" again. from all the faq's and dev chats, his position was that the best gear would be found mostly from team runs, with SOME crafting and raid gear being the kings of thier ladder.

    19) Can I craft a item that is on par, or in most cases, better than what is looted?
    A: Hell yes.

    See above

    22) A lil' less important (but not much less): Is it Sci-Fi?
    A: Technology in this world is based in Magic. I guess you could call that SCIENCE fiction.

    no, this is fantasy, nice try for a spin, best you can say is that it is MAGIC fiction.

    SOE is a publishing company. So some of your subscription fee goes toward them. But LucasArts is an independent company just like Sigil is. (in response to the question: Can I play without giving SOE any coin?).

    Lets be open here mate. SoE is the publisher..runs the servers...does the tech (NOT customer support), and the billing. Sigil is the creator and developer. Granted LA was not were even in the same ball park with swg for the most part.

    You are enjoying this game and that is wonderful, frankly I found it a rehash of EQ on seteriods.

    Telling those that enjoy a sandbox experience that this replace it is NOT enitrely accurate. some love it, some don't. But for this beta3 swg day one to nge vet this is not the new home.

  • FignarFignar Member CommonPosts: 417
    Originally posted by Seloth


    in rubutal:

    re:
    2) Can I drop a harvestor on a spot that is higher in resources than another spot?

    A: A windmill perhaps? I guess you don't want to actually head out and find rare resources yourself.
    node resource framing is a total pain in rear. As a pure crafting class the last thing you want is to have to deal with mobs and casual resources collectors, you want to focus on that which you enjoy..CRAFTING!
    3) Is there different qualities to resources that change each month or week? Making certain Items made with one batch better than another?

    A: Yep. You can always find rare resources if you know where to look, not to mention some of the best resources are high in the mountains and deep in swamps and other dangerous places.
    See above. Obviously you do not get it. finding resources to craft with is the preamble not the enjoyment.
    8) Can I quit being a Bard and become a Ranger?

    A: You cannot unlearn what you have learned. Am I the only one who thought it funny that in SWG every time I dropped a profession they washed my brain? How can you unlearn something you were once so skilled in? Buy there are 8 characters per server. Also, you can drop the crafting and harvesting professions. I also hear they may add an option to drop professions due to player feedback but have not seen such a statement for myself so who knows (or cares).
    Umm. Err. Peopel that enjoy a snadbox game do not enjoy being locked into a proffession template like you are describing. the freedom to change yoru mind and do somethign different was a key GOOD thing about SWG. you got bored with shooting thing? swtich no big deal. and obviously the guy that asked the question cares even if you do not.
    18) Is the game Crafting based or Loot based?

    A: The best items must be purchased from a player crafter. Also, there is item decay so you will eventually need to replace items as they wear out (when you repair items they loose overall quality just like in SWG). Welcome back to the days of keeping a special weapon at home because it means a lot to you.
    Strange brad musth have change the "vision" again. from all the faq's and dev chats, his position was that the best gear would be found mostly from team runs, with SOME crafting and raid gear being the kings of thier ladder.
    19) Can I craft a item that is on par, or in most cases, better than what is looted?

    A: Hell yes.
    See above
    22) A lil' less important (but not much less): Is it Sci-Fi?

    A: Technology in this world is based in Magic. I guess you could call that SCIENCE fiction.
    no, this is fantasy, nice try for a spin, best you can say is that it is MAGIC fiction.
    SOE is a publishing company. So some of your subscription fee goes toward them. But LucasArts is an independent company just like Sigil is. (in response to the question: Can I play without giving SOE any coin?).
    Lets be open here mate. SoE is the publisher..runs the servers...does the tech (NOT customer support), and the billing. Sigil is the creator and developer. Granted LA was not were even in the same ball park with swg for the most part.
    You are enjoying this game and that is wonderful, frankly I found it a rehash of EQ on seteriods.
    Telling those that enjoy a sandbox experience that this replace it is NOT enitrely accurate. some love it, some don't. But for this beta3 swg day one to nge vet this is not the new home.
    lol you beat me to it I was going to post almost the exact same thing

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  • MinimumMinimum Member UncommonPosts: 236
    I could have sworn the OP said he was going away.....
  • ShadowLordsShadowLords Member Posts: 186
    Originally posted by Minimum

    I could have sworn the OP said he was going away.....
    He did ... he is a troll....... nuff said.
  • Nikoz78Nikoz78 Member UncommonPosts: 910
    Originally posted by ShadowLords

    Originally posted by Minimum

    I could have sworn the OP said he was going away.....
    He did ... he is a troll....... nuff said. "Nuff said". Hmm... stimulating. Thank you for that.



    How am I a troll when I played SWG from 2003 to 2005? I felt as much pain over first the CU and then the NGE. I have a right to be in this refuge... I know Vanguard is NOT Star Wars and all that jazz, just saying if MMORPG's are your hobby, then what else are you gonna play? No other EVEN COMES CLOSE to what we lost. Nothing.



    So don't play it I could care less. It's the folks here who did not jump into this flame nightmare you negative creeps have turned this good natured thread into that I care about. The ones who got the message that there is a new MMORPG that compares to the style of SWG. Notice not a single dude here has listed a game more like SWG.



    As if almost everyone here don't know it's because of the involvement with SOE and nothing else.



    My fellow vets will make their own minds up and you guys can't control that. I can tell some of you are desperate to sling mud on Vanguard to keep people from checking it out. You have failed.

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  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061
    Originally posted by Nikoz78

    Originally posted by ShadowLords

    Originally posted by Minimum

    I could have sworn the OP said he was going away.....
    He did ... he is a troll....... nuff said. "Nuff said". Hmm... stimulating. Thank you for that.



    How am I a troll when I played SWG from 2003 to 2005? I felt as much pain over first the CU and then the NGE. I have a right to be in this refuge... I know Vanguard is NOT Star Wars and all that jazz, just saying if MMORPG's are your hobby, then what else are you gonna play? No other EVEN COMES CLOSE to what we lost. Nothing.



    So don't play it I could care less. It's the folks here who did not jump into this flame nightmare you negative creeps have turned this good natured thread into that I care about. The ones who got the message that there is a new MMORPG that compares to the style of SWG. Notice not a single dude here has listed a game more like SWG.



    As if almost everyone here don't know it's because of the involvement with SOE and nothing else.



    My fellow vets will make their own minds up and you guys can't control that. I can tell some of you are desperate to sling mud on Vanguard to keep people from checking it out. You have failed.



    GIVE IT UP!! my God you are so irritating. Even if we put aside SOE's issue Vanguard is still a crappy game. I have been playing it since beta and now after playing the released version which is full of bugs i am canceling my subscription. Am i guilty for playing it being an ex-swg player? NO.. but i am pissed because this game is aweful? got the point? now please stop adverstising your beloved game.
  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    OP:

    Let me get this straight... VG is the new SWG vet home? What a ... joke... It's way off what SWG was back in the days.



    The most disturbing things I have with VG today are:

    1) No character personalities. You chose a class and that's it. No skill trees or attribute pools which you can truly modify for your own build. This is something we've been promised to be given thus right now it ... sucks.



    2) There is hardly any meaning to the PvP and the PvP servers are kinda empty :O Yup, why the hell should we bash eachothers heads? Cus it's fun? Might be, but in the long run? hardly... you gain a little money and maby some items (?) and that's about it. No fortress attackings like SWG had.



    3) It's level+item dependant. Unline SWG where levels didn't exist and items didn't tell you if you could win or not. In VG it's very basic and items matters so much, making the game just a stupid timesink.



    4) Unfinished. There are too many small bugs and even huge ones that not only are annoying, they are outright hellish... Even the smaller ones tend to become largely annoying in the long run...



    That's what I think about it so far... it has potencial (like SWG) but it truly just feels like EQ3 to me.

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  • dcopeukdcopeuk Member Posts: 24

     





    That's what I think about it so far... it has potencial (like SWG) but it truly just feels like EQ3 to me.

    is it just me or is did ppl not used to call SWG "Everquest in Space"??

    Im currently enoying a mmo for first time since i left post nge.

    YMMV

    Dcopeuk

  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866
    Let me just say to the OP that if you think any of us pre-cu vets are going to forgive SOE for what they've done just because they've brought up this 'fancy' new game that uses Everquest's old 'updated' engine (why do you think they put classic servers back on the original?) then you sir are a moron. I will never play anything made by, published or even endorsed by SOE because it'll always turn out bullcrap in the end, flame US all you want, but if you came here expecting praise and glorification for saying that Vanguard is great your wrong, SOE has a reputation and they've pretty much lived up to it with every game they meet, it's either buy it out and turn it into a cash cow or but it out from a decent developer and ruin it. Frankly i'm sick of seeing big publishers muscle their way in and i'm glad that there are more MMORPG's in development that are being run by smaller developers, gives more opportunies and choices for people who want jobs in the industry and don't want to be smack talked by $OE haters like me :D



    Oh and i'd like to add, there is no game similar to SWG, it's a whole other franchies and oh, here's a hint.... IT'S SCI-FI NOT FANTASY don't try to make a bloody comparison to something that isn't even there and as many people have said SWG was a skill based system not a level based system, it was a truely unique MMORPG and everytime I think about it it makes me want to assassinate John Smedley because of what he's done.

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • nakumanakuma Member UncommonPosts: 1,310
    Originally posted by Nikoz78

    Originally posted by Harafnir

    Just relax, kiddo.... In six months, you will have a different opinion, and I will have the same as I have today. Just children and crows are dazzled by a shiny box, and i am sure you are not a bird. That is not an insult, you just take it as one.
    I'm always relaxed.



    And where are you coming from telling me what I'll think in the future?  You can't be serious. You have a mad ego don't you. Hmmm... I know your type. Call me silly names (like 'kiddo') all you want, I mean you ARE hiding behind your keyboard right? If your what 'mature' is defined as, damn.... In fact, you just might be the most immature (supposidly) 41 year old I've ever come across. No kidding.



    More power to you Roger Isby from Sweden.



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    dude let me know if u need any kneepads, and a drink to wet your throat,cause your seriously slobbing SOE down something fierce lol. am i too assume they paying you good for your "services"?? i played the vanguard beta up to just before retail and I never seen someone verbally leghump a game like you just did. the I can state plenty of reasons someone shouldnt play Vanguard, but everyone has stated it already. i am also a swg veteran since july 2003 and im sorry this game isnt a refuge for me so dont speak for me  and trying to jones me into thinking this game is the answer, my prayer, i think its vile, decietful, and downrighty pitiful your doing your utmost best to "convert" people in here to play this game.

     

    Its obvious you have some alterior motive to your need to "covert" convince or otherwise have people come to this game. I am wise to these notions, and I know all that is needed to know about the game, and about SOE's involvement as i played with SWG, Ever yawn 2, and Vanbuggard:SAGA of BUGS. I am hip to your deciet. move on, and stop preaching , worse than a jehovah witness knocking at my door 8 am on a saturday morning offering watchtower magazines.

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  • War_DancerWar_Dancer Member Posts: 941
    Originally posted by dcopeuk


     




    That's what I think about it so far... it has potencial (like SWG) but it truly just feels like EQ3 to me.

    is it just me or is did ppl not used to call SWG "Everquest in Space"??

    Im currently enoying a mmo for first time since i left post nge.

    YMMV

    Dcopeuk

    Maybe you heard it differently to me but I remember alot of people saying it wasn't Everquest in Space and they never wanted it to be.

    I'm glad your having fun with it but that doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

  • dcopeukdcopeuk Member Posts: 24

     

     

    Originally posted by War_Dancer

    Originally posted by dcopeuk


     




    That's what I think about it so far... it has potencial (like SWG) but it truly just feels like EQ3 to me.

    is it just me or is did ppl not used to call SWG "Everquest in Space"??

    Im currently enoying a mmo for first time since i left post nge.

    YMMV

    Dcopeuk

    Maybe you heard it differently to me but I remember alot of people saying it wasn't Everquest in Space and they never wanted it to be.

    I'm glad your having fun with it but that doesn't make it any more appealing to me.

    Twas a long time ago now, so memory may not be right about the exact terms used, it just rang in a few brain cells, i was in pre cu SWG for me the main wow factor was the long vistas the idea if you can see it you can get to it, type of attitude, tbh swg was dying for me even before the nge, that just killed it off. Now i have those vistas back and and if i can see it, i should be able to get to it, if i can find a way through the landscape, which i much prefer to swg walking up vertical cliffs. the elves/orcs thing isnt a plus or minus, the mechanics underneath and my ranger reminds my gaming bones of my old rifles/pike combo :)

    A plus is being in at the start of things aswell, everyone learning etc.This isnt to say i havent learned anything or forgiven SOE, ill be keeping an eye out and this time ill know to bail when ive had enough, and move on.

  • subbobsubbob Member Posts: 36

    >> a SWG vet does not jump into another SOE product that easy.

    That SO much sums up how I feel.  If I've hired a contractor or service person that screwed me, I'm very unlikely to ever hire that person again.  In fact, I would NEVER hire that person again.

    I can not think of ANY circumstance in which I would ever play another SOE game.  I've extended my animosity towards all Sony products.

  • healz4uhealz4u Member Posts: 1,065
    Originally posted by Shari

    I loved swg for 3 years and I dont remember forced grouping and raids in swg at all, it was all about living in a star wars universe
    Wow.





    I wish I would have played the game; I think at the time of its release I was a die-hard EQ fan. 
  • iskareotiskareot Member Posts: 2,143
    Originally posted by subbob


    >> a SWG vet does not jump into another SOE product that easy.


    That SO much sums up how I feel.  If I've hired a contractor or service person that screwed me, I'm very unlikely to ever hire that person again.  In fact, I would NEVER hire that person again.
    I can not think of ANY circumstance in which I would ever play another SOE game.  I've extended my animosity towards all Sony products.



    Wise wise statement....

    Yet some do not get this concept.... it is amazing.   As a consumer, I know it takes all kinds of people in the world to make it go round' but still at the same time it is sad to see what people accept vs expect.

    Just sad..

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  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866
    GRR!!!! Just let this bloody thread die! A bloody troll is a bloody troll! you don't have to have played pre-cu or be however many years old in order to not be one I'm so sick of these idiots trying to recruit us to their game when they know for a fact that we won't touch any SOE product whatsoever! STOP ACTING LIKE BLOODY DOOR TO DOOR SALESMEN IT'S DRIVING ME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WORLD OF WARCRAFT PLAYERS DO THIS TOO!!!!!



    There, just had to let out a rant..... I feel better now....

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • Nikoz78Nikoz78 Member UncommonPosts: 910
    Originally posted by 0k21

    Let me just say to the OP that if you think any of us pre-cu vets are going to forgive SOE for what they've done just because they've brought up this 'fancy' new game that uses Everquest's old 'updated' engine (why do you think they put classic servers back on the original?) then you sir are a moron. 
    I am a pre-cu vet (2003 vet).  Don't speak for everyone because it makes you sound like the "moron."




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  • Nikoz78Nikoz78 Member UncommonPosts: 910
    Originally posted by 0k21

    GRR!!!! Just let this bloody thread die! 
    Have to agree with this statement.



    I was wrong about Vanguard and I apologize.



    I admitted such in this thread I posted in the VG forum: mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/126508



    /peace



    P.S. I still think some of you guys need therapy!! (seriously...)

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  • FikusOfAhaziFikusOfAhazi Member Posts: 1,835
    Originally posted by Nikoz78

    Originally posted by 0k21

    GRR!!!! Just let this bloody thread die! 
    Have to agree with this statement.



    I was wrong about Vanguard and I apologize.



    I admitted such in this thread I posted in the VG forum: mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/126508



    /peace



    P.S. I still think some of you guys need therapy!! (seriously...)



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  • suskesuske Member Posts: 714
    the game hath the taint of soe upon it. verily it doth bloweth big wind.
  • DvolDvol Member Posts: 273
    Originally posted by Nikoz78

    Originally posted by 0k21

    GRR!!!! Just let this bloody thread die! 
    Have to agree with this statement.



    I was wrong about Vanguard and I apologize.



    I admitted such in this thread I posted in the VG forum: mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/126508



    /peace



    P.S. I still think some of you guys need therapy!! (seriously...)

    Dont you post the same drival about the NGE you did for vanguard? Wonderfull positive things? Nothing has changed in the NGE or vanguard they both have tons of issues that never get addressed or appeal but to a small fan base..Something about paying for broke games that not many enjoy due to crappy game mechanics,over promised vaporware..I hope you enjoy both they deserve some praise right?
  • PyscoJuggaloPyscoJuggalo Member UncommonPosts: 1,114
    Originally posted by suske

    the game hath the taint of soe upon it. verily it doth bloweth big wind.




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  • GenwaGenwa Member Posts: 156
    Vanguard doesn't feel or look like PreCU.



    If you think it's close to "SWG", yes it's close to NGE. Plus, you have to grind way too much. It's like making jedi 3 times in PreCU.
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