Why I don't want to play on the same server with Xbox controllers

gillvane1

The only way to make a controller as accurate as a mouse is to give it some sort of auto aim. Otherwise the mouse pwns the controller. Who wants to play on a server with someone that's got auto aim if you don't? I haven't seen any real way to make it purely equal if you have controllers and mice (or mouses) in the same game. Either one pwns, or the other one is given a little bit of help to even things out. But how much "help" is the right amount? None, IMO, if you want all things to be equal.



Here's what I'm talking about:



Controller vs. Mouse and Keyboard





The article pretty much explains why controllers and  mouses aren't equal when it comes to aiming. Then they go on to tell you how they fixed this problem. Bascially, they didn't. They just gave the controller enough advantage with coding till they thought it was about right, which seems like a pretty crappy solution to me.

hotwu

Originally posted by gillvane1

The only way to make a controller as accurate as a mouse is to give it some sort of auto aim. Otherwise the mouse pwns the controller. Who wants to play on a server with someone that's got auto aim if you don't? I haven't seen any real way to make it purely equal if you have controllers and mice (or mouses) in the same game. Either one pwns, or the other one is given a little bit of help to even things out. But how much "help" is the right amount? None, IMO, if you want all things to be equal.



Here's what I'm talking about:



Controller vs. Mouse and Keyboard





The article pretty much explains why controllers and  mouses aren't equal when it comes to aiming. Then they go on to tell you how they fixed this problem. Bascially, they didn't. They just gave the controller enough advantage with coding till they thought it was about right, which seems like a pretty crappy solution to me.

 

You initially state that controllers and mice are not equal, that the mouse "pwns" the controller. Then you proceed to comment that nothing should be done if you want to keep things equal. This is one of the most retarded comments I have ever read.

desnow

Computers and Xboxs will play on seperate servers from all the current known info.

gillvane1

Originally posted by hotwu

Originally posted by gillvane1

The only way to make a controller as accurate as a mouse is to give it some sort of auto aim. Otherwise the mouse pwns the controller. Who wants to play on a server with someone that's got auto aim if you don't? I haven't seen any real way to make it purely equal if you have controllers and mice (or mouses) in the same game. Either one pwns, or the other one is given a little bit of help to even things out. But how much "help" is the right amount? None, IMO, if you want all things to be equal.



Here's what I'm talking about:



Controller vs. Mouse and Keyboard





The article pretty much explains why controllers and  mouses aren't equal when it comes to aiming. Then they go on to tell you how they fixed this problem. Bascially, they didn't. They just gave the controller enough advantage with coding till they thought it was about right, which seems like a pretty crappy solution to me.

 

You initially state that controllers and mice are not equal, that the mouse "pwns" the controller. Then you proceed to comment that nothing should be done if you want to keep things equal. This is one of the most retarded comments I have ever read.

Obvioulsy you have not read many of my comments, since several of them are much more retarded than this one.



I might not have been clear. The only thing that's equal is controller vs controller, or mouse vs mouse. Anything else is some developers idea of how much help the controller should get to make it even with the mouse, and I don't think they can ever get it 100% right.

gillvane1

Originally posted by desnow

Computers and Xboxs will play on seperate servers from all the current known info.

In that case it's moot. Game on.

therain93

Originally posted by desnow

Computers and Xboxs will play on seperate servers from all the current known info.

Yeah but with Windows Live to debut this summer, the likelihood of crossover is still possible.

nikoliath

Originally posted by gillvane1

Originally posted by hotwu

Originally posted by gillvane1

The only way to make a controller as accurate as a mouse is to give it some sort of auto aim.



  Either one pwns, or the other one is given a little bit of help to even things out. But how much "help" is the right amount? None, IMO, if you want all things to be equal.



Here's what I'm talking about:



Controller vs. Mouse and Keyboard





The article pretty much explains why controllers and  mouses aren't equal when it comes to aiming. Then they go on to tell you how they fixed this problem. Bascially, they didn't. They just gave the controller enough advantage with coding till they thought it was about right, which seems like a pretty crappy solution to me.

 

You initially state that controllers and mice are not equal, that the mouse "pwns" the controller. Then you proceed to comment that nothing should be done if you want to keep things equal. This is one of the most retarded comments I have ever read.

Obvioulsy you have not read many of my comments, since several of them are much more retarded than this one.



I might not have been clear. The only thing that's equal is controller vs controller, or mouse vs mouse. Anything else is some developers idea of how much help the controller should get to make it even with the mouse, and I don't think they can ever get it 100% right. I think he was reffering to the RED part.



They are not equal, but no help rerquired "if you want all things to be equal. "   

desnow

Originally posted by therain93



Yeah but with Windows Live to debut this summer, the likelihood of crossover is still possible.

That will only be for Vista exclusives. I have not heard of AoC being Vista exclusive at this time. So I would doubt it highly. DX10 inclusiono is one thing, but VIsta only would kill off a fair amount of the potential player base, even some with high end machines.

therain93

Originally posted by desnow

Originally posted by therain93



Yeah but with Windows Live to debut this summer, the likelihood of crossover is still possible.

That will only be for Vista exclusives. I have not heard of AoC being Vista exclusive at this time. So I would doubt it highly. DX10 inclusiono is one thing, but VIsta only would kill off a fair amount of the potential player base, even some with high end machines.

Very good point  -- I was still in a shadowrun frame of mind ( ' ;

trinityNITRO

I don't understand what difference it will make.  I thought being better than someone was more about outsmarting them then how fast you can click on them.  You would think armor, weapons, and spellcasting would be strategic enough that clicking a little faster with auto-aim wouldn't really matter.  I would rather have a game where I have to outsmart my oponent then one where I outclick him.

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tfwarlord

I seme to have heard some where, i think it was in one the intervew vids, that there will be seperate servers and also some shared servers, so it would be the players own choice....



one thing is sure, i wont pick a xbox360 server... people will get in arguments of this excact topic....



besides i dont trust people with consoles.....

Sturmrabe

Originally posted by desnow

Computers and Xboxs will play on seperate servers from all the current known info.

Actually no dev has said anything of the sort one way or the other so that sheer talking out of your ass...

 

Also, using info from Shadowrun, (the biggest blasphemy in gaming in a decade), means ABSOLUTLY NOTHING in terms of AoC...

 

NOTHING.

 

Good job on alarmist posts and misinformation!

 

Also, maybe you guys arn't aware, but you CAN use gamepad controllers on a PC now...

gillvane1

It's official, the game is for controllers:



Here's the article (on this website) where a developer is showing off the game, and uses an Xbox controller.





I'm done with this game. No offense to the xbox crowd or console gamers. I just can't use the gamepads, and if the game is made for 'em I dont' have any intention of playing. Yes, you CAN play with a mouse and keyboard, but why would the dev CHOOSE a gamepad unless that was the best way to play?



I'll wait for WAR. I'm pretty sure it's being made for mouse and keyboard controls.

Sturmrabe

Well don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, but there is nothing NOTHING in that article to indicate anything other than that you CAN use a gamepad. Nothing like the original post where someone linked a Shadowrun site and whined about how they gave an advantage to consol users.

Small ya later!

kano71

Originally posted by gillvane1

It's official, the game is for controllers:



Here's the article (on this website) where a developer is showing off the game, and uses an Xbox controller.





I'm done with this game. No offense to the xbox crowd or console gamers. I just can't use the gamepads, and if the game is made for 'em I dont' have any intention of playing. Yes, you CAN play with a mouse and keyboard, but why would the dev CHOOSE a gamepad unless that was the best way to play?



I'll wait for WAR. I'm pretty sure it's being made for mouse and keyboard controls.

Becuase he was showing it could be played  with a controller my god get a grip. Zomg the dev using a controller the sky is falling!!!

Sturmrabe

Originally posted by kano71

Originally posted by gillvane1

It's official, the game is for controllers:



Here's the article (on this website) where a developer is showing off the game, and uses an Xbox controller.





I'm done with this game. No offense to the xbox crowd or console gamers. I just can't use the gamepads, and if the game is made for 'em I dont' have any intention of playing. Yes, you CAN play with a mouse and keyboard, but why would the dev CHOOSE a gamepad unless that was the best way to play?



I'll wait for WAR. I'm pretty sure it's being made for mouse and keyboard controls.

Becuase he was showing it could be played  with a controller my god get a grip. Zomg the dev using a controller the sky is falling!!!

LOL, exactly!

RemyVorender

Originally posted by gillvane1



Obvioulsy you have not read many of my comments, since several of them are much more retarded than this one.

*Blows coffee out of his nose*

-Pawn-

This topic is pointless about Xbox vs PC.. You can use the Xbox 360 Controller on the PC and they already said that the game works better on the controller for the PC then the Mouse and Keyboard. So either way your going be playing vs people who have a controller regardless if its a PC or Xbox.

Sturmrabe

Is it really this common for people to make irrational assumptions, based on info from other games/no source at all/wild speculations, and constant "the sky is falling" panic? 

 

Speaking of baseless assumptions, they have, at NO TIME, EVER said that it works BETTER on the controller than the KVM setup... yet here someone goes and says that stupid shit again.

-Pawn-

yes they said it in one of there game play interviews on video in Las Vegas here recently. Its one of the CES Videos and they say real quick its easier to play with the controller.  I'll find the proof. But that's besides the point it doesn't matter.. PC you will beable to play with Controller or Mouse and Keyboard. No way to stop people from doing it. Hell there is a guy that posted a program so you can play WOW with the 360 controller. Doesn't make a difference its just the preference of the person.

tfwarlord

-Pawn-  first of iv read tons of interviews and i have never seen once that the devs have said that gamers are better of using a game pad, on a pc instead off a keybaord of mouse.... and if they did, that gotta be the biggest betrayal to pc gamers....... 90% of the pc gamers prefer to use a keyboard and mouse, and 2nd off i would  say 30% of all pc gamers cant use a controller..... if if they would butcher this game so much so it would be an advatage using gamepad instead of a keyboard and a mouse, that would be true blasfamy, and Funcom would get its place right besides SOE as companies iv totally boycuttet (i boycuttet soe due to they dummed down SWG with the NEG so it would work in a console)..... if this trens will continue, the pc gamers would get, lets say abit ANGRY..... i mean i love gaming, but its means i would always be in 2nd row as a true pc gamer (keyboard and mouse), instead of console cotrole users, fine i dont need that then...(

i would rather let that extremist feek to jack tompson win and let him burn the gaming indutry to the ground that let that happen...) and i would proerly save money, since iv wouldent need high perfermance CPU/GPUs anymore.... i dont think funcom is that stupid, that they would accualy make a MMORPG game on a pc, so it would be an advantage using a gamepad...

-Pawn-

why is it so hard to believe?  Look at Oblivion! The PC version is a Port from the xbox 360.. Everyone rasied hell about it when it was released.  There is no difference in Oblivion PC version then the 360 version besides being able to Mod on the PC version.. All windows and buttons all look the same.  Are you so Sure Funcom wont do the same to AOC.   I'm still looking for that video once i find it you'll see.

tfwarlord

plz replie on what based on your first coments... you said that it was an advantage using a gamepad on a pc versus a keyboard and mouse.... that wasent the case on oblivion ON THE PC..... i give a rats ass what the case is on the console...... im talking about the PC..

i wouldent even mind if they where equal...... i would just never accept that a company would make a game to the pc where it would be an direct Advantage to use  a gamepad instead of a keyboard and mouse..

-Pawn-

this is what I remember the guy saying. He was showing how to use the combos in AOC by moving the mouse in different direction. Then he commented that its easier on the 360 controller if you decide to use the controller on the PC cause of the analog controls.   Its was some 3rd party Website that went to the CES few weeks ago, somone posted it here.

In my opion. The game combat system looks like Fable if you ever played that game on the xbox. I would also think that kind of combat would be easier on the controller.  Now if the Ranged combat is like FPS style then yes the mouse and keyboard are better.

All boils down to the players prefrence.

tfwarlord

prove or it dident happen... if it did, they have betryed the main part of the pc gamers and we should boycut them..