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Grinding... plain and simple. Grinding levels to the top and then being told to grind these dungeons for the gear needed to grind these dungeons so I can grind the next dungeon.
No meaningful pvp imo. Sure the pvp can be fun and I had great times doing it but with out risk pvp just became grinding to get rewards much like pve.
All in all it was just the grinding that killed it for me.
I think what it is mostly is WoW is a victim of its own marketing.
In most peoples eyes WoW is an extremely simple game that has borrowed from everything before it and not really advanced the genre besides its massive sales figures.
Kind of like Billy Ray Cyrus with Achy Breaky Heart. People that listen to a different genre that sells far fewer records are asking "How in the #$%@ is this guy selling so many records?"
Oh, very clever, replace one person's personal opinion with an extremely flawed point of view not at all grounded in reality. And the one fact he mentioned with a piece of pure bullshit.
By all means, argue for WOW's sake, there's plenty going for it. But trying to pass off something that is inherently false is not going to help.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Yes, and what do you say when those "whiners" turn out to be entirely correct? The fact is, WOW has some serious failings. All games do to one degree or another. You can like the game and admit its weak points to yourself and others, come on now, just try it.While you're busy hating, people are having fun. And one day WoW will close it doors permenantly as no game will last forever, but will the former players be angry? Nope, they'll have fond memories of the times they raided, pvp'ed and hanged out with their buddies. Meanwhile, you continue hating, telling the players leaving WoW that you "told them so," but they'll merely smile and ask you what game did you play that had the most influence on your life and was able to impact the world the way WoW did.
You'll think for a moment of course and realize none of the MMORPGs were able to wrap you up tightly it's world and making your forget there was world out there. You'll realize too late that WoW was the game for and it offer everything you want, but you were to selfish to realize it. You want the game to be exclusive to your need and you totally forgot that game is trying to everyone else too. Think about it, every time a MMORPG cames out, you wanted that game to hold a candle to WoW, offer the same feeling as WoW did all while having content exclusive to you. WoW was the game that motivate you to play other games, even if it was out of sheer hatred. And with WoW dead, you have nothing else to hate and no motivation to go on and other games. And with WoW gone, other games will have nothing to aspire to, resulting even worser MMORPGs than we have now.
You don't have to play WoW, but you shouldn't have WoW. It's waste of time since it's just a game. Rather than lingering on the negative aspect of the game, try focusing on the good qualities and the happy times you had to continue motivating you to play MMORPGs and hope for the future that other gaming companies will do their best to keep the dream WoW started. What dream you ask? To bring haters and fanboys together under website and it's forums to discuss their opinions and ideas to give future developers something to strive for
Nice speech, too bad it doesn't apply at all bub
[Insert game name here] offered nothing for me, from the very beginning I was highly disappointed, bored out of my mind, wanting to go back to [Insert game name here] or one of the other niche games that actually did appeal to me, offered some challenge, and didn't look like I was playing inside a [Insert type of graphics here]. No, [Insert game name here] was not the first MMORPG I played, no it did not inspire me in any way. And for the record, I tried it before I started frequenting forums like these and found out what the general opinion of [Insert game name here] actually was.
What good times were you reffering to? Perhaps the time I spent adding to my ignore list, untill finally the chat channels were eerily silent, but at least not filled with highly childish comments. Perhaps the time I spent deciding over what skills and attributes would benifit me the most, that is to say none at all, since its decided for you. Or maybe the time I spent grinding mobs exactly one level lower than me, each mob of course being a slight variation of the last one I faced. Or perhaps the craptastic quests with their highly innovative and dynamic storylines, all requesting that I do something as simplistically retarded as going out to kill 10 more of the same stupic creatures I just got done grinding on.
Everything you speak of here can be applied to just about every MMORPG here, which is why I change the name from WoW to insert name.
Any developers looking to [Insert game name here] for inspiration are taking a step backwards in development, the current harvest of MMORPGs proves that, nearly all of the games that were released since WOW were heavily "inspired" by it. Whenever a game comes out, I want it to have as little as possible in common with WOW, having niether the features, nor the massive crowd of immature subscribers.
And how is this WoW's fault? Because a company decides to copy WoW doesn't make it WoW's fault. WoW didn't inspire unoriginality, those companies don't care about their players enough to deliever something original. So you hate WoW for all the wrong reasons.
simple answer ... infact the first word is the issue with WoW ... simple. which can be a good thing and a bad thing.
first the simple that is good with WOW ... if you are new to the MMO industry, this game is perfect the game is laid out so simple that you don't even feel like you're grinding. Simple UI is also good as well as the quest system is very simple it moves you from zone to zone with ease.
now the bad ... the classes are VERY basic and simple. there is a Little customization to them but nothing great. for most MMoers they want more choices not less. the quest system is too simple "kill 14 of these, get 10 claws"
to me its TOO solo based, I mean I understand that its a very casual game and I am by no means a "OMG FORCED GROUPING" vanguard fanatic either. but grouping in WoW is more of a hinderance than help. I feel like im playing a single player RPG, in fact i just got Final Fantasy 12 and i get the same feeling from that as I do when i play WoW. to me thats a problem.
In the beta when me and my brother tried it we literally got bored after 3 hours but i think we forced ourselves to play like 10 hours or so. I think we experienced the entire game within the first 30 min though. kill 10 wolf... kill 20 grey wofls... kill 30 black wolfs... bring back 5 bird claws...
There are no quests worth doing... fetch and delivery quests are such a joke. Where are the puzzles and stories?
There is no pvp in that game... no item loss, no experience loss and (from what i read on their website) unbalanced classes. What is the point in killing someone?
The "crafting skills" also suck as they have no impact or use in the game... they are also tacked on and useless.
So the question is... why would you play WOW when there are games 5+ years old that are better then WOW at everything except graphics. I have come to the conclusion that people only play WOW because they are casuals and have not played enough other MMO's to realise how lacking this game is... OR all their friends play and playing a game without their friends would be very boring so they just stick with it.
How do you make a name for yourself in this game? Where is the fear and excitment from killing people and taking everything they own and watching them beg you in pm's for it back? Or getting jumped by a huge group and managing to escape them. Or have a huge clan battle where you risk everything you have for your clan and what they stand for. The only way to make a name for yourself in WOW is to have no life and play 24/7 to have the best gear. But even then no one will remember your name.
When i think back to the games ive played there were always famous people... famous crafters, famous pkers, influential community figures and I remember all of them even after 5 years. There is no RPG aspect to WOW, no way to have a role in the game community. Your greatest memory from WOW will be... "guys remember when we played for 60 hours straight and got that epic gear... wow that was awesome"
just because a game doesn't have open PVP and full loot, does not mean its bad and has no pvp.
it just doesn't have the PVP you like.
man i can't believe i just defended wow
That is almost completely untrue. I've defended many games in the past, because I like MMORPGs in general, and I'm an experienced MMO gamer - and WoW is bashed the most unfairly - mainly due to it's popularity. It's called the "macdonalds" of MMOs, only played by "kids", it's just "one big cartoon", and "has no depth", also "has no PvP", which are baseless arguments with easily accessible information to refute them all.
'McDonalds of mmos'- is referring to it's mainstreamness
'kids'- WoW does gain audiences of both, but WoW has typically gained a high number of kids, but also adults. Its the kids aspect people dwell on.
'one big cartoon'- not sure what this is referring to, but I would say with a cartoonish environment, for me it is not as serious an experience as some other mmorpgs.
'has no depth' -WoW is very accessible, it isn't as indepth as some other mmorpgs.
'has no pvp' - well it does, but some other mmorpgers see pvp as more of a world thing with more of a hardcore consequence.
So not sure I would say baseless, I see where they're coming from. But I'm fine with that as I know and acknowledge WoW for what it is. An accessible, game-based mmorpg.
Case in point
Its very very seldom you see the McDonalds reference when it isnt in direct response to someone claiming WoW is the the best game because it has the most accounts.
There are many many examples of things that are highly popular without being anywhere close to being the best so its non-sequitur (non-sequitur = It does not follow) to suggest that because something is the most popular it is also the best. To debunk such an argument its perfectly acceptable to highlight cases where it clearly isnt true. As long as the person isnt extending the argument to say the most popular is never the best its a 100% valid comment.
Despite the fact that its 100% valid if used correctly (which is almost always is) WoW fanbois almost always call it bashing.
Similarly people complain about the number of kids in WoW.
WoW DOES have a higher percentage of kids and teenagers playing then other games. This is readily apparent to anyone who has every played it, and it detracts from the game for a great many people. Even people who really like WoW laugh at its chat channels. When people point this out as a reason for not likeling WoW they are inevitably greeted by a fanboi saying Im 36 and love playing WoW so you must be full of it.
This doesnt have a thing to do with the post they are responding to. The fact that many older players play WoW was never in dispute and never raised. Its the percentage of young or immature players that the person was complaining about, so giving examples of older players is totally irrelevant to the discussion. This completely irrelevant comment, however, will be used to justify saying the OP is bashing WoW.
I could go on and on, the same pattern repeats itself over and over. Any time someone posts a perfectly legitimat criticisim of WoW some fanboi will jump in and say that person is "bashing" WoW even though the original criticism was perfectly formed and perfectly valid.
1) Serial gamers who are unstable players meaning they can't commit to just on one video game. (Like a serial dater or a serial killer)
or
2) Anti-social. These people display selfishness and wish the game to be exclusive to them.
This means the opinions and fact they (haters) bring to table are sckewed because of their bias views or their lack of knowledge of what a good game is. Those who are displaced often promote games and are the first people to play the games when the beta open or when the game comes out. However, they are the first people to get disinterest and leave. Those who lack social skills often nominate themselves expert gamers who know what a good game is and they are often the ones picking fights with those that oppose them. They only understand one style of gaming and anytime they give their expert opinion about what a real game is, they'll give description of the game they are playing now or had played in past. Lastly, these types of people have tendency to exclude others, not caring whether everyone else agrees with their view on what a good gameplay is.
Basically, the WoW haters on this forums opinions can be taken seriously because their facts and opinions are fueld and based on their vendatta.
"By the data to date, there is only one animal in the Galaxy dangerous to man, man himself. So he must supply his own indispensable competition. He has no enemy to help him." -Lazarus Long
"Well, seeing as they can't stick with one MMORPG, it only means they either are...
1) Serial gamers who are unstable players meaning they can't commit to just on one video game. (Like a serial dater or a serial killer) or
2) Anti-social. These people display selfishness and wish the game to be exclusive to them. "
1) Yeah, and I have to commit to one game why exactly? It's not like im in a long term relationship or plan on marrying WOW. Maybe you do, but's that your prerogative. I actual believe in sampling everything out there until i find a game that bests suits me and my personal playing preference. It's great to hear that you will be playing WOW forever though, good luck with that.
2) Yup, where'd you pull this theory from? Any proof to help back this up?
You seriously are in denial. Listen, not everyone has the same TASTES as you. If someone dislikes WOW it doesn't mean they are wrong. If someone likes WOW it doesn't mean they are right. There is no right or wrong when you are dealing with opinions - as it is simply a matter of taste. DEAL WITH IT.
"Lack of knowledge of what a good game is" - don't make me laugh. First you say that anyone who has played 3 MMORPG's is a serial gamer (even though MMORPG's have been out for what....10+ years) and then go on to say these same people lack the knowledge to know what a good game is? So which one is it?
Seriously...your arguments are fit for a troll, nothing more.
Some peoples need more from an MMORPG, like WoW ...
Deal with it , because you are a WoW addict for that period of your life, dont ask why everybody isnt like you ...
Owned. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Though replying to his posts is pretty pointless, he will just reply with contradictory, hollow statements with no merit. Remember, he's the one who said WOW would be better suited for an item looting ruleset becase "equipment is abundant and more accessible" yet in the next sentence he uses examples of why item looting won't work in any MMORPG because he had bad experiences with the honor system in WOW and got ganked in NWN, LMAO. Not to mention he stated that he believes fighting AI opponents is just as unpredictable and exciting as fighting AI.
Sounds to me he is either a troll, a TRUE carebear, or he simply can't handle the fact that some people dislike his precious WOW and that not everyone has the same tastes as him.
/ignore him, it does wonders for your sanity.
A.) Not true, for the above I am speaking from my personal experiences. And the names I provided fit perfectly, with few substitutes allowable. I suppose you could have switched out for example Shadowbane for WOW in some of the cases, SWG in others, or EVE for AO, but those wouldn't fit nearly as well.
B.) Plenty of games do not have, embody, or allow the poor qualities I spoke of. They all however have their own problems, such as a lack of polish, or outdated graphics. This is mostly because the by far majority of them were released before WOW, which brings us to point B.
C.) In praising WOW, you stated that future game developers should look to it as the standard for development. My argument was simply that if there is to be any forward progress in the MMORPG market, developers should look to innovation and their own willingness to try new things and not an outside source for inspiration. No, it is not WOW's fault that devs do this, and I don't "hate" it for that reason. It does not however change the fact that WOW's success has negatively changed MMORPG development, almost crippling it through the dollar signs in every development companies eyes.
D.) At no point in time, have I ever stated that I hate WOW. I personally dislike the game, and will seriously urge a brand new gamer to have a look around before buying it. In discussions like this, I will even strenuously argue against people like yourself who refuse to see the inherent flaws in the game you love. You like the game, sure, thats perfectly fine. But by damn, don't come in and tell the rest of us that we are collectively comeplete idiots for not enjoying the kind of game experience WOW offers.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
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+1 to pay raise!
Just kidding
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Thank you.
WoW was a fine game, i played it, for a very long time actually, but then i moved on because i got burned out, not the games fault. but it WAS the games fault that once i went back into the market to look for a new MMO, that i couldn't find anything different from what i had just been playing, and was burned out on.
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+1 to pay raise!
Just kidding
My pay raise is maxxed out until I level
Laura "Taera" Genender
Community Manager
MMORPG.com