I would like to clearify that both games are using imposter distancing, which means even thought you see the very far away parts, it is a 2 d back drop like if you make one of those shoe box scenes with a little whole and it has different layer to give it depth. It is a smart tool and it increases frames by not having to render the entire world. Imposters are used on very distant things and it give a beautiful effect.
This image shows it the best in vanguard , where the trees seem blurred , as you get closer to them they will render . Smart way for mmo's dev top give greater sense of depth
Actually you are wrong. The effect used in this screen is atmospheric distortion. I turn it off and turn the rendering distance for everything else... trees, animation, ect.. all the way up and you can see FOREVER, and it's all rendered.
I thought the same way some of you did, how LoTR graphics look awesome in those screenshots. I thought, well why don't I d/l the game and try the beta I got into. The graphics did not impress me at all. This is my rig if you'd like to know:
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I ran the game on Ultra High and got some lag in very populated cities, so I usually just ran on Very High.(1 step lower than Ultra) The game is very polished, but like someone else said on here, it doesn't feel like an mmo to me. When you first start out, your basically following a story line working together with some of the lores main characters, but it feels like a Single player rpg that has boundries. It got better when I came to the open lands, but it just doesn't give you that "epic" feeling that vanguard definately has. I would much rather play a game with as much room to improve as Vanguard than play one that is done like LoTR. Its a cool game. Nothing more than cool. but it just doesn't have the potential that Vanguard will live up to. Just my 2 cents...
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Anarchyart, that one with the dwarf is pretty nice, almost makes me want to take back a lot of what I've said
Look at the coloring, it's well chosen, not too gaudy or too bland, and details like the tree placement - in some areas, the trees are perfectly spaced apart, and look so phony for it, but there, you've got random looking clumps, which looks a lot more natural. I don't care about view distance so much, but really notice things like that.
Makes me wonder if Vanguard's problem is that they have such a huge art team, and so you've got some areas done really well, some that are just ok, and some that are just terrible. Like, the artists doing one area are pretty good, but those working on another area, not so much. Makes me wonder if it's a lack of overhead direction, someone in charge who should be firing those crappy artists, and going over portfolios to replace them, but doesn't have a good enough eye to see the difference.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Again i ask ... so if people dont give a shit ... then why do you care? Perhaps you should be enjoying yourself playing the Lotro beta/stress test instead of trolling about on the vanguard forums. I have been on stress test ... and it is pretty pretty but its not for me.. not yet anyway .. will give it a try though .. help with beta as much as i can ... but will i stay with Vanguard? Yes ... I have the game and station pass ... why not play it. Perhaps you should do something with your time.
So what if the trees are rendered? so what if not? does that make a bit of difference? Are you just looking for something to argue about so you can feel better about yourself?
So Vanguard has a bit of a long draw distance. It still doesn't make up for the lack of art in the game. That's my problem with games that try to touch reality, as an current art student myself, I want art, I want to see what the developers see....not what we see every day. Sure, Lotro doesn't have a whole lot of art direction, but it's miles better than vanguard....and wait till you see Warhammer. Now that game has creativity written all over it. Another thing, Vanguard's water isn't very reflective. Have you seen the water in lotro? Everything reflects off of it. The night sky, trees, building...everything! There is honestly no point to argue which graphic is better and which is worst. To me, they equal out the same.
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I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Sweet, so why don't you go to that forum, instead of making stupid posts about a game you dont care about. I don't mind your opinion but you are simply trolling this board trying to shy people away from this game for no reason. Go outside.
I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Again i ask ... so if people dont give a shit ... then why do you care? Perhaps you should be enjoying yourself playing the Lotro beta/stress test instead of trolling about on the vanguard forums. I have been on stress test ... and it is pretty pretty but its not for me.. not yet anyway .. will give it a try though .. help with beta as much as i can ... but will i stay with Vanguard? Yes ... I have the game and station pass ... why not play it. Perhaps you should do something with your time.
So what if the trees are rendered? so what if not? does that make a bit of difference? Are you just looking for something to argue about so you can feel better about yourself?
I'm playing lotro right now . why do I care. Because I was kicked out of "Grindhard" beta for bring up things like bugs and over all game play in public chat during the test. Apparently they would rather silence any feedback then actually making the game beetter. It is my duty to talk about this game on any forum. It is a simple discusscion and my choice of wword was bad, o nohz. Are the rtees rendered or impostered, did Sigil once again mislead people into buying the product ?
So you acted like an idiot during beta and got kicked out. You aren't telling the whole story because you don't get kicked out for negative feedback. Seriously, your little nerd crusade against Vanguard is pathetic.
Yeah, I really am liking the direction WAR is going. Esp. being able to take trophies from your victims and wear them, or that your character will actually change as you gain more power. Orcs get bigger, and meaner looking, etc.
Nothing really to say about the water thing in Vanguard. I think it's just that reflections, for whatever reason, are disabled, or just not working. There is a slider for reflective surfaces in the options, but I've never seen any actual reflective surfaces. At night, though, it does look like there is a reflection of the clouds on the water, but it's very wonky looking, and might just be something to do with the "texture" of the water itself.
Ultimately, I really don't care much about the graphics of this game, or that. Gameplay > Graphics. I still enjoy playing Shining Force and Shadowrun on a genesis emulator, and compared to modern pc games, their graphics are crap. Hell, the old Infocom games were fun as hell, and they had no graphics at all.
I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
There aren't any imposter options in Vanguard because everything is rendered. Why do you think it is such a system hog? And it is very playable thank you very much. Sigil did an amazing job of creating a WORLD. I am glad you found a game you adore but it doesn't compare to Vanguard, they are just far too different.
And how is LotRO surpassing Vanguard? It isn't released yet lol man give it a rest. Face it, although beautiful to look at, LotRO graphics are just not as advanced as Vanguards. Lots of people will look at LotR graphics and think they are better than Vanguards, but that is just personal taste. Neither is better, both are very very different in almost every way. Glad you found one you like.
Pretty sure the trees invanguards distance is imposter placements
Sorry, they just aren't. Everything in Vanguard is rendered. No 2d backgrounds.
ya the screeny this guy posted claiming the background was being drawn in 2d looked the way it did because of the "atmospheric distortion" setting being turned on.. and if i had to guess set higher than standard based off the look of it.
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I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Again i ask ... so if people dont give a shit ... then why do you care? Perhaps you should be enjoying yourself playing the Lotro beta/stress test instead of trolling about on the vanguard forums. I have been on stress test ... and it is pretty pretty but its not for me.. not yet anyway .. will give it a try though .. help with beta as much as i can ... but will i stay with Vanguard? Yes ... I have the game and station pass ... why not play it. Perhaps you should do something with your time.
So what if the trees are rendered? so what if not? does that make a bit of difference? Are you just looking for something to argue about so you can feel better about yourself?
I'm playing lotro right now . why do I care. Because I was kicked out of "Grindhard" beta for bring up things like bugs and over all game play in public chat during the test. Apparently they would rather silence any feedback then actually making the game beetter. It is my duty to talk about this game on any forum. It is a simple discusscion and my choice of wword was bad, o nohz. Are the rtees rendered or impostered, did Sigil once again mislead people into buying the product ?
So you acted like an idiot during beta and got kicked out. You aren't telling the whole story because you don't get kicked out for negative feedback. Seriously, your little nerd crusade against Vanguard is pathetic. Points II said in open chat :
Poor character animatioms
No rag doll physics
Poor weapon contact animation
Poor Quest finding
Poor combat animation : that one I went on about how is basically just standing vertical and my arms moved around sum,, kind of went overbooard on that one lol.
The Crashed to desk top , but I wasnt the only one who said that when they liogged in , it was a constant stream of "crashed" "crashed" "crash"
"crashed" .. .and so on and so forth
A lot people started to agree so they clipped me in the bud .
Dude you have had no idea how much musch I was looking forward to a "real" mmo style game. Read and kept going to vanguard website , waiting and waiting. I was like "wohho Sigil rawr" and now all that iis wiped away with bad community moderating, bad in game community , bad forum community and over all just bad. Maybe in a few years when the future comes I will give another look , but as is , they get exactly what they deserve. Mediocre scores for mediocre game.Thank god you don't play anymore. Your sweeping generalizations make you look dumb, thanks for saving me the time.
I've beta tested both, and honestly Vanguard's graphic engine truly shines in interiors where the details on objects really stand out. It's too bad that mechanic doesn't translate as well to exterior landscapes. Conversely, though I think LOTRO landscapes are far more beautiful, once you get into the confines of an interior space the graphics engine isn't so great.
To me that is the main difference. If you truly want to show off Vanguard graphics compared to LOTRO, compare interior shots. That's my opinion anyway.
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Please! Show me 1 Vanguard Player Screen (of course NO Sigil screen) with this view distance and graphic quality. Look the near Tree leaves quality! and attention how much trees and other objects you can view in this distance!
- Water quality in LOTRO!!!
OK! See the Water quality, All objects are reflect in the Water, if is night the water relfect the starts and the moon!! Please Show me 1 Vanguard Screen with this Water quality or better, please!
- Special Effects in LOTRO!!!
Ok, please if Vanguard have special Effects show me 1 screen with a Special Effect better than LOTRO!
- Interior in LOTRO!!!
Ok, i dunno interiors in vanguard but here u can see a lotro interior screen, a hobbit house.
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Originally posted by Soulflyx OK lets go!- View distance in LOTRO!!!Please! Show me 1 Vanguard Player Screen (of course NO Sigil screen) with this view distance and graphic quality. Look the near Tree leaves quality! and attention how much trees and other objects you can view in this distance!STUFF OK and REMEMBER! This screens was take with a geforce 7600 GS 256mb
Alright, you win. Clearly all of us that play(ed) Vanguard were wrong and should have played LotRO instead. If only a good samaritan such as yourself had just come along 3 weeks ago to show us the error of our ways.
Or maybe all this is just pointless dickwaving. For a group of people that spends as much time talking about the poor quality of the WoW community, there sure as hell are a lot of people here doing their best to emulate them.
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Pretty sure from these two shots anyone can see that Vanguard has a much farther view distance.
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Sorry, they just aren't. Everything in Vanguard is rendered. No 2d backgrounds.
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I ran the game on Ultra High and got some lag in very populated cities, so I usually just ran on Very High.(1 step lower than Ultra) The game is very polished, but like someone else said on here, it doesn't feel like an mmo to me. When you first start out, your basically following a story line working together with some of the lores main characters, but it feels like a Single player rpg that has boundries. It got better when I came to the open lands, but it just doesn't give you that "epic" feeling that vanguard definately has. I would much rather play a game with as much room to improve as Vanguard than play one that is done like LoTR. Its a cool game. Nothing more than cool. but it just doesn't have the potential that Vanguard will live up to. Just my 2 cents...
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Anarchyart, that one with the dwarf is pretty nice, almost makes me want to take back a lot of what I've said
Look at the coloring, it's well chosen, not too gaudy or too bland, and details like the tree placement - in some areas, the trees are perfectly spaced apart, and look so phony for it, but there, you've got random looking clumps, which looks a lot more natural. I don't care about view distance so much, but really notice things like that.
Makes me wonder if Vanguard's problem is that they have such a huge art team, and so you've got some areas done really well, some that are just ok, and some that are just terrible. Like, the artists doing one area are pretty good, but those working on another area, not so much. Makes me wonder if it's a lack of overhead direction, someone in charge who should be firing those crappy artists, and going over portfolios to replace them, but doesn't have a good enough eye to see the difference.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
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I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Again i ask ... so if people dont give a shit ... then why do you care? Perhaps you should be enjoying yourself playing the Lotro beta/stress test instead of trolling about on the vanguard forums. I have been on stress test ... and it is pretty pretty but its not for me.. not yet anyway .. will give it a try though .. help with beta as much as i can ... but will i stay with Vanguard? Yes ... I have the game and station pass ... why not play it. Perhaps you should do something with your time.
So what if the trees are rendered? so what if not? does that make a bit of difference? Are you just looking for something to argue about so you can feel better about yourself?
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I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Sweet, so why don't you go to that forum, instead of making stupid posts about a game you dont care about. I don't mind your opinion but you are simply trolling this board trying to shy people away from this game for no reason. Go outside.
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I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Again i ask ... so if people dont give a shit ... then why do you care? Perhaps you should be enjoying yourself playing the Lotro beta/stress test instead of trolling about on the vanguard forums. I have been on stress test ... and it is pretty pretty but its not for me.. not yet anyway .. will give it a try though .. help with beta as much as i can ... but will i stay with Vanguard? Yes ... I have the game and station pass ... why not play it. Perhaps you should do something with your time.
So what if the trees are rendered? so what if not? does that make a bit of difference? Are you just looking for something to argue about so you can feel better about yourself?
I'm playing lotro right now . why do I care. Because I was kicked out of "Grindhard" beta for bring up things like bugs and over all game play in public chat during the test. Apparently they would rather silence any feedback then actually making the game beetter. It is my duty to talk about this game on any forum. It is a simple discusscion and my choice of wword was bad, o nohz. Are the rtees rendered or impostered, did Sigil once again mislead people into buying the product ?So you acted like an idiot during beta and got kicked out. You aren't telling the whole story because you don't get kicked out for negative feedback. Seriously, your little nerd crusade against Vanguard is pathetic.
Yeah, I really am liking the direction WAR is going. Esp. being able to take trophies from your victims and wear them, or that your character will actually change as you gain more power. Orcs get bigger, and meaner looking, etc.
Nothing really to say about the water thing in Vanguard. I think it's just that reflections, for whatever reason, are disabled, or just not working. There is a slider for reflective surfaces in the options, but I've never seen any actual reflective surfaces. At night, though, it does look like there is a reflection of the clouds on the water, but it's very wonky looking, and might just be something to do with the "texture" of the water itself.
Ultimately, I really don't care much about the graphics of this game, or that. Gameplay > Graphics. I still enjoy playing Shining Force and Shadowrun on a genesis emulator, and compared to modern pc games, their graphics are crap. Hell, the old Infocom games were fun as hell, and they had no graphics at all.
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There aren't any imposter options in Vanguard because everything is rendered. Why do you think it is such a system hog? And it is very playable thank you very much. Sigil did an amazing job of creating a WORLD. I am glad you found a game you adore but it doesn't compare to Vanguard, they are just far too different.
And how is LotRO surpassing Vanguard? It isn't released yet lol man give it a rest. Face it, although beautiful to look at, LotRO graphics are just not as advanced as Vanguards. Lots of people will look at LotR graphics and think they are better than Vanguards, but that is just personal taste. Neither is better, both are very very different in almost every way. Glad you found one you like.
Sorry, they just aren't. Everything in Vanguard is rendered. No 2d backgrounds.
ya the screeny this guy posted claiming the background was being drawn in 2d looked the way it did because of the "atmospheric distortion" setting being turned on.. and if i had to guess set higher than standard based off the look of it.
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I was in closed beta for a few weeks, and I am pretty sure if every tree is rendered then it would be unplayable on any system, check your user options and see if they have any options for use imposters. The ridiculous part of this is why would it matter is a tree 50 miles a way is rendered . Makes little sense to me, just sounds like bragging rights xD. As well as that seems a lot of people really don't give a shit either cause LoTRO is alreay surpassing this title.
Again i ask ... so if people dont give a shit ... then why do you care? Perhaps you should be enjoying yourself playing the Lotro beta/stress test instead of trolling about on the vanguard forums. I have been on stress test ... and it is pretty pretty but its not for me.. not yet anyway .. will give it a try though .. help with beta as much as i can ... but will i stay with Vanguard? Yes ... I have the game and station pass ... why not play it. Perhaps you should do something with your time.
So what if the trees are rendered? so what if not? does that make a bit of difference? Are you just looking for something to argue about so you can feel better about yourself?
I'm playing lotro right now . why do I care. Because I was kicked out of "Grindhard" beta for bring up things like bugs and over all game play in public chat during the test. Apparently they would rather silence any feedback then actually making the game beetter. It is my duty to talk about this game on any forum. It is a simple discusscion and my choice of wword was bad, o nohz. Are the rtees rendered or impostered, did Sigil once again mislead people into buying the product ?So you acted like an idiot during beta and got kicked out. You aren't telling the whole story because you don't get kicked out for negative feedback. Seriously, your little nerd crusade against Vanguard is pathetic. Points II said in open chat :
Poor character animatioms
No rag doll physics
Poor weapon contact animation
Poor Quest finding
Poor combat animation : that one I went on about how is basically just standing vertical and my arms moved around sum,, kind of went overbooard on that one lol.
The Crashed to desk top , but I wasnt the only one who said that when they liogged in , it was a constant stream of "crashed" "crashed" "crash"
"crashed" .. .and so on and so forth
A lot people started to agree so they clipped me in the bud .
Dude you have had no idea how much musch I was looking forward to a "real" mmo style game. Read and kept going to vanguard website , waiting and waiting. I was like "wohho Sigil rawr" and now all that iis wiped away with bad community moderating, bad in game community , bad forum community and over all just bad. Maybe in a few years when the future comes I will give another look , but as is , they get exactly what they deserve. Mediocre scores for mediocre game.Thank god you don't play anymore. Your sweeping generalizations make you look dumb, thanks for saving me the time.
I've beta tested both, and honestly Vanguard's graphic engine truly shines in interiors where the details on objects really stand out. It's too bad that mechanic doesn't translate as well to exterior landscapes. Conversely, though I think LOTRO landscapes are far more beautiful, once you get into the confines of an interior space the graphics engine isn't so great.
To me that is the main difference. If you truly want to show off Vanguard graphics compared to LOTRO, compare interior shots. That's my opinion anyway.
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- View distance in LOTRO!!!
Please! Show me 1 Vanguard Player Screen (of course NO Sigil screen) with this view distance and graphic quality. Look the near Tree leaves quality! and attention how much trees and other objects you can view in this distance!
- Water quality in LOTRO!!!
OK! See the Water quality, All objects are reflect in the Water, if is night the water relfect the starts and the moon!! Please Show me 1 Vanguard Screen with this Water quality or better, please!
- Special Effects in LOTRO!!!
Ok, please if Vanguard have special Effects show me 1 screen with a Special Effect better than LOTRO!
- Interior in LOTRO!!!
Ok, i dunno interiors in vanguard but here u can see a lotro interior screen, a hobbit house.
OK and REMEMBER! This screens was take with a geforce 7600 GS 256mb
Alright, you win. Clearly all of us that play(ed) Vanguard were wrong and should have played LotRO instead. If only a good samaritan such as yourself had just come along 3 weeks ago to show us the error of our ways.
Or maybe all this is just pointless dickwaving. For a group of people that spends as much time talking about the poor quality of the WoW community, there sure as hell are a lot of people here doing their best to emulate them.
Some nice screen shots. I like the first 3.
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