A public forum, also called an open forum, is open to all expression that is protected under the First Amendment. Seriously, you guys act like I just slapped your mother. I simply made a statement that I felt to be true. I'm not attacking your game, just making a personal observation. If you don't think it sucks, then go play your game. Obviously I've touched a nerve here...
Yeah....
Not living in the US, so not sure why this "first amendment" was directed at me
You still haven't given any details - one would expect a valid post to at least give to background into why they have stated their opinions.
No nerve touched. This is an open forum as you stated. People come here looking for views on games before purchasing, all you have done is to troll a game for the simple pleasure of getting replies. People could read your post and think "Hmmm, best i don't touch VG then", when it could of been the game for them and they have missed out of hours of enjoyment.
Again no nerve touched. However if you had actually expanded your post to reasons why you didn't like VG, then i would of respected you just a tad more and been willing to discuss and most possibly agree with you on certain points.
What I dont understand is why people feel the need to express there hate of a game. there is enough room on this planet for everyone to play the games they like. its not like with the realese of a new game the game they are playing is going to dissapear. I mean D&L is still around so people must be playing it. and that is argualbley the worst MMORPG ever made. So leave them be. Leave all the WoW players to there game. Leave all the DDO players to there dungens and the VG people to there new game. I have Beta tested EVERY major MMORPG realesed sence UO and I cant think of any game with a bug free realsese. There have been some smoother then others. CoH probably the best launch i have ever experenced. and Everquest 1 being the worst.
People express their dislikes, and/ or likes, of a game so that they can find others who feel the same. It's also a way to invoke thought and discussion about the game and the industry as a whole. What people should be concerned about is why is a product released when it's not finished? I'm not sure if you are in school or work full time, but tell me this: can you turn in incomplete homework, or an unfinshed project to a boss and expect a pat on the back? Feel free to flame me if you wish, but we all should be upset at any game that is released unfinshed and in poor shape. I've said my peace about Vanguard, and stick to my post. good luck to you all.
A public forum, also called an open forum, is open to all expression that is protected under the First Amendment. Seriously, you guys act like I just slapped your mother. I simply made a statement that I felt to be true. I'm not attacking your game, just making a personal observation. If you don't think it sucks, then go play your game. Obviously I've touched a nerve here...
Yeah....
Not living in the US, so not sure why this "first amendment" was directed at me
You still haven't given any details - one would expect a valid post to at least give to background into why they have stated their opinions.
No nerve touched. This is an open forum as you stated. People come here looking for views on games before purchasing, all you have done is to troll a game for the simple pleasure of getting replies. People could read your post and think "Hmmm, best i don't touch VG then", when it could of been the game for them and they have missed out of hours of enjoyment.
Again no nerve touched. However if you had actually expanded your post to reasons why you didn't like VG, then i would of respected you just a tad more and been willing to discuss and most possibly agree with you on certain points.
Trust me bro, they can read mine, and about 1500 other post about this game. I highly doubt they will read my lowly post and decide to forgoe buying Vanguard once and for all. God bless America.
What I dont understand is why people feel the need to express there hate of a game. there is enough room on this planet for everyone to play the games they like. its not like with the realese of a new game the game they are playing is going to dissapear. I mean D&L is still around so people must be playing it. and that is argualbley the worst MMORPG ever made. So leave them be. Leave all the WoW players to there game. Leave all the DDO players to there dungens and the VG people to there new game. I have Beta tested EVERY major MMORPG realesed sence UO and I cant think of any game with a bug free realsese. There have been some smoother then others. CoH probably the best launch i have ever experenced. and Everquest 1 being the worst.
People express their dislikes, and/ or likes, of a game so that they can find others who feel the same. It's also a way to invoke thought and discussion about the game and the industry as a whole. What people should be concerned about is why is a product released when it's not finished? I'm not sure if you are in school or work full time, but tell me this: can you turn in incomplete homework, or an unfinshed project to a boss and expect a pat on the back? Feel free to flame me if you wish, but we all should be upset at any game that is released unfinshed and in poor shape. I've said my peace about Vanguard, and stick to my post. good luck to you all.
But you are NOT discussing. You are stating an opinion [and to be frank a trolling opinion] without actually stating why on a open forum which discussions are made. Seriously, you might as well go and grab yourself a free homepage and build a site flaming VG - that way no one will be able to question your reasons why.
And again, as a poster above stated. Why VG? Why not include all the other MMORPG's released since the dawn of time? Why single out VG - give us something to discuss.
A public forum, also called an open forum, is open to all expression that is protected under the First Amendment. Seriously, you guys act like I just slapped your mother. I simply made a statement that I felt to be true. I'm not attacking your game, just making a personal observation. If you don't think it sucks, then go play your game. Obviously I've touched a nerve here...
Yeah....
Not living in the US, so not sure why this "first amendment" was directed at me
You still haven't given any details - one would expect a valid post to at least give to background into why they have stated their opinions.
No nerve touched. This is an open forum as you stated. People come here looking for views on games before purchasing, all you have done is to troll a game for the simple pleasure of getting replies. People could read your post and think "Hmmm, best i don't touch VG then", when it could of been the game for them and they have missed out of hours of enjoyment.
Again no nerve touched. However if you had actually expanded your post to reasons why you didn't like VG, then i would of respected you just a tad more and been willing to discuss and most possibly agree with you on certain points.
Trust me bro, they can read mine, and about 1500 other post about this game. I highly doubt they will read my lowly post and decide to forgoe buying Vanguard once and for all. God bless America.
links then? Can you even be bothered to give me some links?
And i'm not religious, so again, you assume too much.
What I dont understand is why people feel the need to express there hate of a game. there is enough room on this planet for everyone to play the games they like. its not like with the realese of a new game the game they are playing is going to dissapear. I mean D&L is still around so people must be playing it. and that is argualbley the worst MMORPG ever made. So leave them be. Leave all the WoW players to there game. Leave all the DDO players to there dungens and the VG people to there new game. I have Beta tested EVERY major MMORPG realesed sence UO and I cant think of any game with a bug free realsese. There have been some smoother then others. CoH probably the best launch i have ever experenced. and Everquest 1 being the worst.
People express their dislikes, and/ or likes, of a game so that they can find others who feel the same. It's also a way to invoke thought and discussion about the game and the industry as a whole. What people should be concerned about is why is a product released when it's not finished? I'm not sure if you are in school or work full time, but tell me this: can you turn in incomplete homework, or an unfinshed project to a boss and expect a pat on the back? Feel free to flame me if you wish, but we all should be upset at any game that is released unfinshed and in poor shape. I've said my peace about Vanguard, and stick to my post. good luck to you all.
But you are NOT discussing. You are stating an opinion [and to be frank a trolling opinion] without actually stating why on a open forum which discussions are made. Seriously, you might as well go and grab yourself a free homepage and build a site flaming VG - that way no one will be able to question your reasons why.
And again, as a poster above stated. Why VG? Why not include all the other MMORPG's released since the dawn of time? Why single out VG - give us something to discuss.
A. I have no idea what a forum 'troll' is.
B. I single out VG becuase it's the last straw for me. I have several games that were hyped to be the 'end all' of MMOs. Yet they sit on my bookshelf collecting dust.
C. I expect more from consumer stand point. I spent my hard earned money on this piece of crap game. Sorry, but it's a piece of crap.
Expect more and you get more, settle for less and you get less.
D. I dont have the time, or the inclination to de-bug a game that has a budget in the tens of millions. That's why they have developers.
E. I'm talking about Vanguard because this game was hyped to be freedom from the already stale genre.
Trolling is simply throwing out statements on these forums which you don't even try to back up or explain at all. Statements like "Vanguard sucks" and "Vanguard is a piece of crap" are nothing but being a troll. After you have been asked nicely SEVERAL times to atleast try and explain yourself or backup your statements, all you do is throw out more troll work and back it up with stuff like "Vanguard is a piece of crap.. I'm sorry but it is". "I'm sorry but it is" does NOT explain anything.
You are certainly free to express your opinions. You have freedom of speech. But when you just throw out bones like you have done all through this thread with no explanation of anything or any of your reasons for why you feel "it sucks" then you will no doubt be labeled as a "troll" my most of the readers here and you and your opinion will get very little respect.
I'd think you'd have figured this out by now so far into your own thread. I really don't think I can spell this out for you or explain it much better at this point. If you continue to just say stuff like "Vangaurd is crap" and "Vanguard sucks" and still cannot talk logically about your opinions, then don't expect anyone to take you or your opinions seriously. And don't be surprised when others besides me call you nothing but a "troll".
I have not bought the game yet, and am still trying to decide if I want to fork out the money for it. Reading opinions like yours with no reasons as to your dissatisfaction and without telling us what you tried to make the game work better, what settings you tried to adjust etc really leave me thinking you didn't try very hard to like this game. Anyone can throw out wild opinions. That really does nothing to help potential buyers like myself trying to sort through all the reviews and opinions and decide if this might be a game I'll like or not.
Earthhawk... You STILL don't get it do you? Trolling is simply throwing out statements on these forums which you don't even try to back up or explain at all. Statements like "Vanguard sucks" and "Vanguard is a piece of crap" are nothing but being a troll. After you have been asked nicely SEVERAL times to atleast try and explain yourself or backup your statements, all you do is throw out more troll work and back it up with stuff like "Vanguard is a piece of crap.. I'm sorry but it is". "I'm sorry but it is" does NOT explain nothing. You are certainly free to express your opinions. You have freedom of speech. But when you just throw out bones like you have done all through this thread with no explanation of anything or any of your reasons for why you feel "it sucks" then you will no doubt be labeled as a "troll" my most of the readers here and you and your opinion will get very little respect. I'd think you'd have figured this out by now so far into your own thread. I really don't think I can spell this out for you or explain it much better at this point. If you continue to just say stuff like "Vangaurd is crap" and "Vanguard sucks" and still cannot talk logically about your opinions, then don't expect anyone to take you or your opinions seriously. And don't be surprised when others besides me call you nothing but a "troll". - Zaxx
Blah, blah, blah...this thread is done. But, the other troll, who uses big words, has her own thread going. Go over there and continue the conversation. Bye!
"a troll is a person who enters an established community such as anonline discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others." B. I single out VG becuase it's the last straw for me. I have several games that were hyped to be the 'end all' of MMOs. Yet they sit on my bookshelf collecting dust. So which other games are sitting on your shelf? - See, this is called the beginning of a discussion. C. I expect more from consumer stand point. I spent my hard earned money on this piece of crap game. Sorry, but it's a piece of crap. Expect more and you get more, settle for less and you get less. Then have you thought about leaving the MMORPG genre for good? Or for at least while? Things ain't going to improve "bro". D. I dont have the time, or the inclination to de-bug a game that has a budget in the tens of millions. That's why they have developers. Again, which bugs did you encounter during your time in VG which made the game unplayable for you? Please, just name one, so we can at least have a clue here.
E. I'm talking about Vanguard because this game was hyped to be freedom from the already stale genre. Erm, i don't remember that. I surely remember the DEV's stating the same crap as every other DEV in every other game about how X game was going to do X or Y - though i guess that i stopped believing in hype long ago.
"Butter bean - not a bean or butter....discuss" I'd rather discuss the topic on which you began this thread - or can you changed the game again?
Blah, blah, blah...this thread is done. But, the other troll, who uses big words, has her own thread going. Go over there and continue the conversation. Bye!
You guys flaming op are ridiculous. op is right about VG - and his food analogy is apt.
How many years of development did they put into Vanguard? And this is the end result? Even the 'nice' graphics are just so so. Making pretty envrons with Unreal Engine is not a feat. The character models are horrible. Diplomacy is fine but holy crap is that all they came up with that was creative?
Making an interesting, creative and functional game is a feat (like Spellborn looks to be). Sigil fell a mile short of the finish line with this hugely mediocre game...
but maybe they weren't shooting for anything extraordinary - so whatever - after it gets out of paid beta they have succeeded in that.
Earthhawk... You STILL don't get it do you? Trolling is simply throwing out statements on these forums which you don't even try to back up or explain at all. Statements like "Vanguard sucks" and "Vanguard is a piece of crap" are nothing but being a troll. After you have been asked nicely SEVERAL times to atleast try and explain yourself or backup your statements, all you do is throw out more troll work and back it up with stuff like "Vanguard is a piece of crap.. I'm sorry but it is". "I'm sorry but it is" does NOT explain anything. You are certainly free to express your opinions. You have freedom of speech. But when you just throw out bones like you have done all through this thread with no explanation of anything or any of your reasons for why you feel "it sucks" then you will no doubt be labeled as a "troll" my most of the readers here and you and your opinion will get very little respect. I'd think you'd have figured this out by now so far into your own thread. I really don't think I can spell this out for you or explain it much better at this point. If you continue to just say stuff like "Vangaurd is crap" and "Vanguard sucks" and still cannot talk logically about your opinions, then don't expect anyone to take you or your opinions seriously. And don't be surprised when others besides me call you nothing but a "troll". I have not bought the game yet, and am still trying to decide if I want to fork out the money for it. Reading opinions like yours with no reasons as to your dissatisfaction and without telling us what you tried to make the game work better, what settings you tried to adjust etc really leave me thinking you didn't try very hard to like this game. Anyone can throw out wild opinions. That really does nothing to help potential buyers like myself trying to sort through all the reviews and opinions and decide if this might be a game I'll like or not.
- Zaxx
Funny, if your definition of trolling is true then positive views of a game without backup of some sort is considered trolling too...
His post was fair truthful imo, I love the game don't get me wrong but we are all being ripped off here, and the lame excuses just keep being thrown in our face.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Blah, blah, blah...this thread is done. But, the other troll, who uses big words, has her own thread going. Go over there and continue the conversation. Bye!
And he runs away.
Then I will take over in his stead.
What you've done is attempt to invalidate his perfectly valid opinion by snow balling him with oft used platitudes.
If your goal is to somehow preserve the Vanguard marketing campaign - you're actually causing the opposite effect.
You're making Vanguard players look like a bunch of snobby, elitist, belligerent, jerks who's epeen practically ejaculates all over those with opposing views.
Originally posted by 2hawks You guys flaming op are ridiculous. op is right about VG - and his food analogy is apt.
We are ridiculous for asking for more explanation of why someone says the game "sucks" and is "crap" other then those very general statements? Ummm, okay.
How many years of development did they put into Vanguard? And this is the end result?
I don't know how many years it has been in development, nor do I really care. If it takes them 1 year or 5 years to make the game. All I want is a new mmo game that is fun to play and has more challenge then the likes of WoW and so many others currently on the market.
Even the 'nice' graphics are just so so. Making pretty envrons with Unreal Engine is not a feat.
Which is it? First you say that the so called "nice" graphics are just so-so, then in your very next sentence, you seem to go against yourself and admit that they are pretty. Ummm, okay.
The character models are horrible.
Back to saying the graphics suck it looks like. Well I don't have the game yet, but I have seen tons of screenshots that say otherwise to me. The graphics and the characters models look great from my perspective.
Diplomacy is fine but holy crap is that all they came up with that was creative?
Hmmm, can you name one thing about World of Warcraft that was even close to being as original as the diplomacy in Vanguard? WOW didn't do anything outside the box what-so-ever and look where it's at! Where is Blizzards creativity if you think creativity is so damn important??
Making an interesting, creative and functional game is a feat (like Spellborn looks to be). Sigil fell a mile short of the finish line with this hugely mediocre game... but maybe they weren't shooting for anything extraordinary - so whatever - after it gets out of paid beta they have succeeded in that.
Again just like the OP... nothing more then very general opinions. Nothing of what you said makes myself as a person still trying to decide if I wanna buy this game come any closer to a decision.
Blah, blah, blah...this thread is done. But, the other troll, who uses big words, has her own thread going. Go over there and continue the conversation. Bye!
And he runs away.
I'm still here, but got tired of trying to defend my opinion. I wish everyone who enjoys Vanguard the best of luck!
Vanguard sucks. There, I did it. Before you decide to flame me and tell me how stupid I am, wait a second. Take a step back and look at the game. Can you be honest to yourself and say that this game is worth $50 upfront, and another $16 a every month? Is it really better than any other game out there? I know some of you like it, and will continue to play no matter how unplayable or how much you have to upgrade your computer. That's like going out to eat, ordering a prime steak ,and getting fajita meat. Now, if you want steak you can pay to upgrade your meat and get the real thing. Of course the fajita meat is edible, but it's not steak. But you go ahead and eat it with a fake smile, and proceed tell everyone at the table how delicous your fajita-steak is. I tip my hat to those of you who are willing to endure the bugs, lag, poor graphics, etc of Vanguard. I don't know about you, but giving up 17k in MB for a crappy game is kinda crazy. Enjoy
I hate to say this but...
You are a troll. There, I did it. Before you decide to respond and tell me how much of a fanboy I am, wait a second. Take a step back and look at the game. Can you be honest to yourself and say that this game doesn't have any value at all? Is it really worse then every other game out there? I know some of you like to flame games that you don't like or don't have the hardware to run and that you'll continue to flame any game that isn't "your game" no matter how good they may actually be. That's like going out to eat, ordering a prime steak, and getting exactly that. A Prime steak. Now if you didn't want that prime steak, you should have just ordered what you wanted. Ofcourse the steak is going to be what it is, not fajita meat. But you go ahead and curse and whine and tell everyone that the steakhouse sucks because you really wanted a fajita. I tip my hat to all of you who are so willing to share your misery and hatred to any game that isn't WoW or your fav game. I don't know about you, but giving up on potential great games because they have a few bugs or they aren't exactly like WOW is kinda crazy. Enjoy hating.
- Zaxx
Wow... Next time when you responded to my post, and copy 90% of my content in your in response, try copying the full 100%? Oh wait, you play Vanguard, your are use to things being incomplete. There, I said it. *throws poo*
Common man, that was a funny response even though I tend to agree with you!
I think part of the reason for alot of venom is that Vanguard was clearly overhyped. Anytime you set expectations that high and can't deliver, you see this response.
To top it off the game was forced to launch early and not complete or polished. So alot of uninformed people who were not aware of the state of Vanguard buy the game expecting a finished very high quality game and there expectations are not met. To vent there frustrations they come to a site like this and blast the game looking to let others know of their experience.
All in All you get the same from both sides because there are people posting that this game is the greatest thing since sliced bread and won't even acknowldge that the game may have 1 or 2 flaws.
You guys flaming op are ridiculous. op is right about VG - and his food analogy is apt.
We are ridiculous for asking for more explanation of why someone says the game "sucks" and is "crap" other then those very general statements? Ummm, okay.
[quote][b]How many years of development did they put into Vanguard? And this is the end result?[/b/][/quote]
I don't know how many years it has been in development, nor do I really care. If it takes them 1 year or 5 years to make the game. All I want is a new mmo game that is fun to play and has more challenge then the likes of WoW and so many others currently on the market.
Even the 'nice' graphics are just so so. Making pretty envrons with Unreal Engine is not a feat.
Which is it? First you say that the so called "nice" graphics are just so-so, then in your very next sentence, you seem to go against yourself and admit that they are pretty. Ummm, okay.
The character models are horrible.
Back to saying the graphics suck it looks like. Well I don't have the game yet, but I have seen tons of screenshots that say otherwise to me. The graphics and the characters models look great from my perspective.
Diplomacy is fine but holy crap is that all they came up with that was creative?
Hmmm, can you name one thing about World of Warcraft that was even close to being as original as the diplomacy in Vanguard? WOW didn't do anything outside the box what-so-ever and look where it's at! Where is Blizzards creativity if you think creativity is so damn important??
Making an interesting, creative and functional game is a feat (like Spellborn looks to be). Sigil fell a mile short of the finish line with this hugely mediocre game...
but maybe they weren't shooting for anything extraordinary - so whatever - after it gets out of paid beta they have succeeded in that.
Again just like the OP... nothing more then very general opinions. Nothing of what you said makes myself as a person still trying to decide if I wanna buy this game come any closer to a decision.
- Zaxx
Would you say a movie review requires the scientific fuckin method to be valid? No? This is no different.
Take it or leave it just don't be a douche about it.
dude, zaxtor, stop bashing World of Warcraft, no matter how unoriginal you think it is or "easy", it still draws millions of subscribers, what is it now, 8 million? It is successful because Blizzard made an amazing game that appealed to the masses. I don't care about Vanguard, my computer can't handle it, so I have no opinion. But stop comparing Vanguard to WoW. They aren't even close in respects to gameplay and graphics->(Vanguards are better, just to clear that up before you flame me about it), again, STOP
Multiple bugs, forced grouping, and a vocal player community sensitive to criticism currently keep players looking for an easygoing adventuring experience at arm's length.
Gamespot's review summed up this game's current state pretty well, I just thought I'd share one of the most obvious of facts.
Originally posted by kedoremos Would you say a movie review requires the scientific fuckin method to be valid? No? This is no different.Take it or leave it just don't be a douche about it.
Hmmm, thanks for resorting to name calling.
But let's also take a look at what you have said.
Let's say that a new movie you are thinking about seeing comes out. None of your friends or family have seen it yet. So you buy a newspaper and pull out the entertainment section and take a look at the movie reviews for that movie. The review simply says "The movie sucks." and nothing more. Nothing as to why it sucks whether its bad acting, a lame plot, or any examples of why it "sucks". The same would go if the review said "It's great!" and nothing more. You'd be wondering WHY! Well, I would HOPE you would anyhow!
Curse and swear some more and call me a few more names, lol. Whatever. I still feel that both the OP and you now are nothing but being trolls. I am simply trying to get a little more intelligence out of your responses then what I have witnessed to this point.
But you're right, if this is as mature and intelligent and both you and the OP can be, then I will look elsewhere for intelligent reviews and statements about Vanguard as this is getting very boring trying to communicate with you two.
So, someone said why is that Vanguard is getting flamed so badly. Heck, I recall other MMOs getting flamed hard when released with bugs, etc. Another poster noted some games that took a long time to get it right and become good and that is true as well. MMOs are released too early for the most part to begin with.
I am playing Vanguard and enjoying it though I do find it buggy still and often stop to go play something else like the LOTRO beta or, last night, Half Life 2 single player but I am still playing VG.
I think the reason it is getting attacked so much is simple....They over promised and under delivered. I don't think this would be up to debate even amongst die hard VG players. I would also say other MMOs have done the same. Not launching with key features like SWG not have vehicles and space flight when it launched (not to get starte on that one but you get the idea). VG was being held, at the prompting of Sigil Developers, to a high, high standard. It has delivered on some things. It is clearly a successor to EQ, it has a vast world with lots of depth, it has mounts at level 10, it has good graphics if you have the hardware to support them. It is also very hard as it was was intended to be and is much better played in groups then solo after a certain level.
It falls short in performance at times and seems unpolished. I give you an example. When launching there is no movie and the character screen appears but when it does it starts all choppy and with your toon in pieces (floating eye balls) all the while the sound stutters and sputers while it loads. This is not a big deal and the sound is fine when it starts but this is an example of the unfinished feel of it.
When in game there is a little rubber banding when "zoning" and if you get to close to a wall you can see through your toons head. Occasionally, when I have died and released I have appeared somewhere I am not bound. Again, does not sound like a big deal but gives the game that unfinished feel.
I am guessing over time much of this will be taken care of but after the launch of so many MMOs you might think they would get out the door more ready for prime time. I can tell you that LOTR (love it or hate it ) is already much more stable and polished looking then most MMOs are at launch. This is not to debate it against VG, just to point out the stability that can be achieved.
I think people just had such high expectations of the game due to the hype that it was a big let down for many when it did not exactly live up to what people thought it would be. It may still get there though.
I have this expectation of AoC and will be dissapointed severely if it is not excellent and reasonably stable out of the shoot.
Blah, blah, blah...this thread is done. But, the other troll, who uses big words, has her own thread going. Go over there and continue the conversation. Bye!
And he runs away.
Then I will take over in his stead.
What you've done is attempt to invalidate his perfectly valid opinion by snow balling him with oft used platitudes.
Valid post? Explain please. BMW's suck. Not to tell you why, but they suck ok? - And i'll post this comment on a car forum, lets see the responses i get.
Firstly, i asked numerous times simply for more details, did i get anything back? Nope, nothing. Regardless on your views, the fact he simply couldn't even give more to his opinion, after numerous posts states quite simply he was trolling. Hell, in the end the guy ran away from the thread. If he had valid reasons, then why not post them? This is what this forum is for isn' it? A discussion forum?
If your goal is to somehow preserve the Vanguard marketing campaign - you're actually causing the opposite effect.
Again, it's the VG effect. Again people seem to believe that all i am is defending VG, when all i am asking for is a more detailed reason as to why it sucks. I know i has problems, i know it has bugs, i know it isn't the 2nd coming if christ. But surely for the benefit of people using this forum as a resource to determine whether a game is attractive to them, then don't you think more reasoned out reviews would be more beneficial?
Read my posts again, all i have asked for is more details.
You're making Vanguard players look like a bunch of snobby, elitist, belligerent, jerks who's epeen practically ejaculates all over those with opposing views.
Now with this part i couldn't really care. VG players will get an image whether i post or not. WoW have the kiddies image, EQ2 players have the loser image - honestly image based on what game i play on an internet forum is the last thing i would care about - and again, it's an image being placed on me, simply because i wanted to know more details.
Want to do Vanguard a solid? Quit fuckin posting.
Or not bother reading my posts and spending time to reply?
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- Not living in the US, so not sure why this "first amendment" was directed at me
- You still haven't given any details - one would expect a valid post to at least give to background into why they have stated their opinions.
- No nerve touched. This is an open forum as you stated. People come here looking for views on games before purchasing, all you have done is to troll a game for the simple pleasure of getting replies. People could read your post and think "Hmmm, best i don't touch VG then", when it could of been the game for them and they have missed out of hours of enjoyment.
- Again no nerve touched. However if you had actually expanded your post to reasons why you didn't like VG, then i would of respected you just a tad more and been willing to discuss and most possibly agree with you on certain points.
Trust me bro, they can read mine, and about 1500 other post about this game. I highly doubt they will read my lowly post and decide to forgoe buying Vanguard once and for all. God bless America.But you are NOT discussing. You are stating an opinion [and to be frank a trolling opinion] without actually stating why on a open forum which discussions are made. Seriously, you might as well go and grab yourself a free homepage and build a site flaming VG - that way no one will be able to question your reasons why.
And again, as a poster above stated. Why VG? Why not include all the other MMORPG's released since the dawn of time? Why single out VG - give us something to discuss.
- Not living in the US, so not sure why this "first amendment" was directed at me
- You still haven't given any details - one would expect a valid post to at least give to background into why they have stated their opinions.
- No nerve touched. This is an open forum as you stated. People come here looking for views on games before purchasing, all you have done is to troll a game for the simple pleasure of getting replies. People could read your post and think "Hmmm, best i don't touch VG then", when it could of been the game for them and they have missed out of hours of enjoyment.
- Again no nerve touched. However if you had actually expanded your post to reasons why you didn't like VG, then i would of respected you just a tad more and been willing to discuss and most possibly agree with you on certain points.
Trust me bro, they can read mine, and about 1500 other post about this game. I highly doubt they will read my lowly post and decide to forgoe buying Vanguard once and for all. God bless America.links then? Can you even be bothered to give me some links?
And i'm not religious, so again, you assume too much.
But you are NOT discussing. You are stating an opinion [and to be frank a trolling opinion] without actually stating why on a open forum which discussions are made. Seriously, you might as well go and grab yourself a free homepage and build a site flaming VG - that way no one will be able to question your reasons why.
And again, as a poster above stated. Why VG? Why not include all the other MMORPG's released since the dawn of time? Why single out VG - give us something to discuss.
A. I have no idea what a forum 'troll' is.
B. I single out VG becuase it's the last straw for me. I have several games that were hyped to be the 'end all' of MMOs. Yet they sit on my bookshelf collecting dust.
C. I expect more from consumer stand point. I spent my hard earned money on this piece of crap game. Sorry, but it's a piece of crap.
Expect more and you get more, settle for less and you get less.
D. I dont have the time, or the inclination to de-bug a game that has a budget in the tens of millions. That's why they have developers.
E. I'm talking about Vanguard because this game was hyped to be freedom from the already stale genre.
"Butter bean - not a bean or butter....discuss"
this is the only post in the whole damn thread, that isn't just yadda yadda yadda.
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Earthhawk...
You STILL don't get it do you?
Trolling is simply throwing out statements on these forums which you don't even try to back up or explain at all. Statements like "Vanguard sucks" and "Vanguard is a piece of crap" are nothing but being a troll. After you have been asked nicely SEVERAL times to atleast try and explain yourself or backup your statements, all you do is throw out more troll work and back it up with stuff like "Vanguard is a piece of crap.. I'm sorry but it is". "I'm sorry but it is" does NOT explain anything.
You are certainly free to express your opinions. You have freedom of speech. But when you just throw out bones like you have done all through this thread with no explanation of anything or any of your reasons for why you feel "it sucks" then you will no doubt be labeled as a "troll" my most of the readers here and you and your opinion will get very little respect.
I'd think you'd have figured this out by now so far into your own thread. I really don't think I can spell this out for you or explain it much better at this point. If you continue to just say stuff like "Vangaurd is crap" and "Vanguard sucks" and still cannot talk logically about your opinions, then don't expect anyone to take you or your opinions seriously. And don't be surprised when others besides me call you nothing but a "troll".
I have not bought the game yet, and am still trying to decide if I want to fork out the money for it. Reading opinions like yours with no reasons as to your dissatisfaction and without telling us what you tried to make the game work better, what settings you tried to adjust etc really leave me thinking you didn't try very hard to like this game. Anyone can throw out wild opinions. That really does nothing to help potential buyers like myself trying to sort through all the reviews and opinions and decide if this might be a game I'll like or not.
- Zaxx
You guys flaming op are ridiculous. op is right about VG - and his food analogy is apt.
How many years of development did they put into Vanguard? And this is the end result? Even the 'nice' graphics are just so so. Making pretty envrons with Unreal Engine is not a feat. The character models are horrible. Diplomacy is fine but holy crap is that all they came up with that was creative?
Making an interesting, creative and functional game is a feat (like Spellborn looks to be). Sigil fell a mile short of the finish line with this hugely mediocre game...
but maybe they weren't shooting for anything extraordinary - so whatever - after it gets out of paid beta they have succeeded in that.
Funny, if your definition of trolling is true then positive views of a game without backup of some sort is considered trolling too...
His post was fair truthful imo, I love the game don't get me wrong but we are all being ripped off here, and the lame excuses just keep being thrown in our face.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Then I will take over in his stead.
What you've done is attempt to invalidate his perfectly valid opinion by snow balling him with oft used platitudes.
If your goal is to somehow preserve the Vanguard marketing campaign - you're actually causing the opposite effect.
You're making Vanguard players look like a bunch of snobby, elitist, belligerent, jerks who's epeen practically ejaculates all over those with opposing views.
Want to do Vanguard a solid? Quit fuckin posting.
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
We are ridiculous for asking for more explanation of why someone says the game "sucks" and is "crap" other then those very general statements? Ummm, okay.
I don't know how many years it has been in development, nor do I really care. If it takes them 1 year or 5 years to make the game. All I want is a new mmo game that is fun to play and has more challenge then the likes of WoW and so many others currently on the market.
Which is it? First you say that the so called "nice" graphics are just so-so, then in your very next sentence, you seem to go against yourself and admit that they are pretty. Ummm, okay.
Back to saying the graphics suck it looks like. Well I don't have the game yet, but I have seen tons of screenshots that say otherwise to me. The graphics and the characters models look great from my perspective.
Hmmm, can you name one thing about World of Warcraft that was even close to being as original as the diplomacy in Vanguard? WOW didn't do anything outside the box what-so-ever and look where it's at! Where is Blizzards creativity if you think creativity is so damn important??
Again just like the OP... nothing more then very general opinions. Nothing of what you said makes myself as a person still trying to decide if I wanna buy this game come any closer to a decision.
- Zaxx
I'm still here, but got tired of trying to defend my opinion. I wish everyone who enjoys Vanguard the best of luck!
I hate to say this but...
You are a troll. There, I did it. Before you decide to respond and tell me how much of a fanboy I am, wait a second. Take a step back and look at the game. Can you be honest to yourself and say that this game doesn't have any value at all? Is it really worse then every other game out there? I know some of you like to flame games that you don't like or don't have the hardware to run and that you'll continue to flame any game that isn't "your game" no matter how good they may actually be. That's like going out to eat, ordering a prime steak, and getting exactly that. A Prime steak. Now if you didn't want that prime steak, you should have just ordered what you wanted. Ofcourse the steak is going to be what it is, not fajita meat. But you go ahead and curse and whine and tell everyone that the steakhouse sucks because you really wanted a fajita. I tip my hat to all of you who are so willing to share your misery and hatred to any game that isn't WoW or your fav game. I don't know about you, but giving up on potential great games because they have a few bugs or they aren't exactly like WOW is kinda crazy. Enjoy hating.
Wow... Next time when you responded to my post, and copy 90% of my content in your in response, try copying the full 100%? Oh wait, you play Vanguard, your are use to things being incomplete. There, I said it. *throws poo*- Zaxx
Common man, that was a funny response even though I tend to agree with you!
I think part of the reason for alot of venom is that Vanguard was clearly overhyped. Anytime you set expectations that high and can't deliver, you see this response.
To top it off the game was forced to launch early and not complete or polished. So alot of uninformed people who were not aware of the state of Vanguard buy the game expecting a finished very high quality game and there expectations are not met. To vent there frustrations they come to a site like this and blast the game looking to let others know of their experience.
All in All you get the same from both sides because there are people posting that this game is the greatest thing since sliced bread and won't even acknowldge that the game may have 1 or 2 flaws.
We are ridiculous for asking for more explanation of why someone says the game "sucks" and is "crap" other then those very general statements? Ummm, okay.
[quote][b]How many years of development did they put into Vanguard? And this is the end result?[/b/][/quote]
I don't know how many years it has been in development, nor do I really care. If it takes them 1 year or 5 years to make the game. All I want is a new mmo game that is fun to play and has more challenge then the likes of WoW and so many others currently on the market.
Which is it? First you say that the so called "nice" graphics are just so-so, then in your very next sentence, you seem to go against yourself and admit that they are pretty. Ummm, okay.
Back to saying the graphics suck it looks like. Well I don't have the game yet, but I have seen tons of screenshots that say otherwise to me. The graphics and the characters models look great from my perspective.
Hmmm, can you name one thing about World of Warcraft that was even close to being as original as the diplomacy in Vanguard? WOW didn't do anything outside the box what-so-ever and look where it's at! Where is Blizzards creativity if you think creativity is so damn important??
Again just like the OP... nothing more then very general opinions. Nothing of what you said makes myself as a person still trying to decide if I wanna buy this game come any closer to a decision.
- Zaxx
Would you say a movie review requires the scientific fuckin method to be valid? No? This is no different.
Take it or leave it just don't be a douche about it.
Life of an MMORPG "addict"
For 7 years, proving that if you quote "fuck" you won't get banned.
Gamespot's review summed up this game's current state pretty well, I just thought I'd share one of the most obvious of facts.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/vanguard/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&page=1
Hmmm, thanks for resorting to name calling.
But let's also take a look at what you have said.
Let's say that a new movie you are thinking about seeing comes out. None of your friends or family have seen it yet. So you buy a newspaper and pull out the entertainment section and take a look at the movie reviews for that movie. The review simply says "The movie sucks." and nothing more. Nothing as to why it sucks whether its bad acting, a lame plot, or any examples of why it "sucks". The same would go if the review said "It's great!" and nothing more. You'd be wondering WHY! Well, I would HOPE you would anyhow!
Curse and swear some more and call me a few more names, lol. Whatever. I still feel that both the OP and you now are nothing but being trolls. I am simply trying to get a little more intelligence out of your responses then what I have witnessed to this point.
But you're right, if this is as mature and intelligent and both you and the OP can be, then I will look elsewhere for intelligent reviews and statements about Vanguard as this is getting very boring trying to communicate with you two.
{sighs}
- Zaxx
So, someone said why is that Vanguard is getting flamed so badly. Heck, I recall other MMOs getting flamed hard when released with bugs, etc. Another poster noted some games that took a long time to get it right and become good and that is true as well. MMOs are released too early for the most part to begin with.
I am playing Vanguard and enjoying it though I do find it buggy still and often stop to go play something else like the LOTRO beta or, last night, Half Life 2 single player but I am still playing VG.
I think the reason it is getting attacked so much is simple....They over promised and under delivered. I don't think this would be up to debate even amongst die hard VG players. I would also say other MMOs have done the same. Not launching with key features like SWG not have vehicles and space flight when it launched (not to get starte on that one but you get the idea). VG was being held, at the prompting of Sigil Developers, to a high, high standard. It has delivered on some things. It is clearly a successor to EQ, it has a vast world with lots of depth, it has mounts at level 10, it has good graphics if you have the hardware to support them. It is also very hard as it was was intended to be and is much better played in groups then solo after a certain level.
It falls short in performance at times and seems unpolished. I give you an example. When launching there is no movie and the character screen appears but when it does it starts all choppy and with your toon in pieces (floating eye balls) all the while the sound stutters and sputers while it loads. This is not a big deal and the sound is fine when it starts but this is an example of the unfinished feel of it.
When in game there is a little rubber banding when "zoning" and if you get to close to a wall you can see through your toons head. Occasionally, when I have died and released I have appeared somewhere I am not bound. Again, does not sound like a big deal but gives the game that unfinished feel.
I am guessing over time much of this will be taken care of but after the launch of so many MMOs you might think they would get out the door more ready for prime time. I can tell you that LOTR (love it or hate it ) is already much more stable and polished looking then most MMOs are at launch. This is not to debate it against VG, just to point out the stability that can be achieved.
I think people just had such high expectations of the game due to the hype that it was a big let down for many when it did not exactly live up to what people thought it would be. It may still get there though.
I have this expectation of AoC and will be dissapointed severely if it is not excellent and reasonably stable out of the shoot.
Just my 2 cents.
Then I will take over in his stead.
What you've done is attempt to invalidate his perfectly valid opinion by snow balling him with oft used platitudes.
Valid post? Explain please. BMW's suck. Not to tell you why, but they suck ok? - And i'll post this comment on a car forum, lets see the responses i get.
Firstly, i asked numerous times simply for more details, did i get anything back? Nope, nothing. Regardless on your views, the fact he simply couldn't even give more to his opinion, after numerous posts states quite simply he was trolling. Hell, in the end the guy ran away from the thread. If he had valid reasons, then why not post them? This is what this forum is for isn' it? A discussion forum?
If your goal is to somehow preserve the Vanguard marketing campaign - you're actually causing the opposite effect.
Again, it's the VG effect. Again people seem to believe that all i am is defending VG, when all i am asking for is a more detailed reason as to why it sucks. I know i has problems, i know it has bugs, i know it isn't the 2nd coming if christ. But surely for the benefit of people using this forum as a resource to determine whether a game is attractive to them, then don't you think more reasoned out reviews would be more beneficial?
Read my posts again, all i have asked for is more details.
You're making Vanguard players look like a bunch of snobby, elitist, belligerent, jerks who's epeen practically ejaculates all over those with opposing views.
Now with this part i couldn't really care. VG players will get an image whether i post or not. WoW have the kiddies image, EQ2 players have the loser image - honestly image based on what game i play on an internet forum is the last thing i would care about - and again, it's an image being placed on me, simply because i wanted to know more details.
Want to do Vanguard a solid? Quit fuckin posting.
Or not bother reading my posts and spending time to reply?