Should have stopped right there. Yes, some players are better and gauging and handling danger. We like to play in third person and scan the horizon in dangerous situations to see all around us. If we must enter high level areas, we like making sure we have some kind of speed advantage. We like making macro's that automatically target tombstones and drag them so we don't have to get too close or waste time looting. We know when getting a single tombstone might not be worth the risk of dying 10 more times and when it might be wise to just go ahead and summon our corpses and be done with it. Some of us will bind our gear to ensure that we aren't naked and can better take damage after a death. Etc. etc.
Wow man you should make a strategy book or somthing. Thats some serious skill 3rd person and all, blew my mind ty for info I think I will sign back up for 10 years now.
"I'm sorry but your mmo has been diagnosed with EA and only has X number of days to live."
Wow man you should make a strategy book or somthing. Thats some serious skill 3rd person and all, blew my mind ty for info I think I will sign back up for 10 years now.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
Wow man you should make a strategy book or somthing. Thats some serious skill 3rd person and all, blew my mind ty for info I think I will sign back up for 10 years now.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
I believe Invidious
Elitism is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite— a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are mostly likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.
is calling you a newb.
A newbie is a newcomer to a particular field, the term being commonly used on the internet, where it might refer to new, inexperienced, or ignorant users of a game, a newsgroup, an operating system or the Internet itself. In many cases more experienced/knowledgeable people use it in purposes of negative reinforcement, urging "newbies" to learn more about the field or area in question.
I believe he is being elitist. I believe they do well in games. I believe the xp debt is too high. I believe you misunderstood my post. These are the things that I believe.
All you've learned since you started playing onliners and coming here are the words: newbie, troll and fanboy (I know I'm forgetting a few that are used way too much). You've also picked up how to write the dumbest posts, which is lovely! Can't help but read of a few of these every week though. Keep it up.
Good on the "topic" starter for leaving Vanguard. Would too if I didn't enjoy it, even if I wouldn't write a post but we're all different I guess.
Nothing that was written there really interested me, as I've played the game. Feel ya on some things, so what now? What's the big plan? Wanna have a get together and talk about it? (sounds fun, doesn't it?)
And you other people:
Played it and didn't like it? - You can come to the gathering as well.
Not going to play it? - Then why do you even bother?
"Waiting 6 months for it to get better"? - Go for it, will still be the same game with 2 bugs less and maybe an Inqu. class!
Want to be sure you don't waste a few coins buying a game you won't like? - Hope you don't have it that bad...
Are you a sad baby? (Highly possible that you fit here)
But thanks for the bull though guys, highly appreciated.
All you've learned since you started playing onliners and coming here are the words: newbie, troll and fanboy (I know I'm forgetting a few that are used way too much). You've also picked up how to write the dumbest posts, which is lovely! Can't help but read of a few of these every week though. Keep it up.
Good on the "topic" starter for leaving Vanguard. Would too if I didn't enjoy it, even if I wouldn't write a post but we're all different I guess.
Nothing that was written there really interested me, as I've played the game. Feel ya on some things, so what now? What's the big plan? Wanna have a get together and talk about it? (sounds fun, doesn't it?)
And you other people:
Played it and didn't like it? - You can come to the gathering as well.
Not going to play it? - Then why do you even bother?
"Waiting 6 months for it to get better"? - Go for it, will still be the same game with 2 bugs less and maybe an Inqu. class!
Want to be sure you don't waste a few coins buying a game you won't like? - Hope you don't have it that bad...
Are you a sad baby? (Highly possible that you fit here)
But thanks for the bull though guys, highly appreciated.
I think......that was one of the best posts I have read in awhile
I played beta and I didn't really leave, I just haven't picked up a retail copy yet, probuably will at summer when I have some free time.
I haven't read this entire thread, cause after 3-4 pages it seamlessly was the same thing over and over. Those who love it and those who don't. How does this differ from any other game on the market? It really doesn't. You have the right to like it or not.
I've dabbled in MMOs for long while now, my main addiction was SWG. I've played others, done trails, always giving each a chance. I even did WoW for two months. Even went back, only stayed two weeks after that. Does that mean it's a horrible game? Not really, especially when you can argue about the user base shows it's not. Then, we can say crack is a hit, but doesn't mean it's good for you
I just started up tonight, logged at least 4 hours in the game. My initial response? No clue yet. Even though I played at least two years in SWG, I had no idea if I'd like it or not after only 4 hours or even 2 weeks of playing. Could be I only log maybe 1-5 hours a day if lucky towards an MMO, but I also dabble in playing other games, for I'm also an RTS fanatic. But I'm not going to give up so easily on it, especially after a 50$$ investment. I like the idea of a challenge though, as long as at some point the troubles reap some sort of rewards. I left WoW, cause I felt like I had no challenge at all. I felt like I was playing a glorified massive online version of the Diablo series, with nicer features. Again, my personal take on the game. For the love me of me, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get into it. And I love Warcraft! Like I said, I'm an RTS nut and Blizzard fan boy, it wasn't a lack of trying, that kept me playing that game.
Now, the thread starter mentions graphics. So far, I will admit, yes. It's no show stopper. Yet, it isn't garbage either. What do people expect, Crysis graphics on a stink en massive multiplayer? Take games like BF2/BF2142 which have pretty darn good graphics to most standards and if you don't have top notch rig, it's going to be hard to play a game on high settings, with just 32-64 people playing on a server. Now, obviously an MMO is going to be more than just double that, so think about it. But, that's where I give Blizzard props. They made a game that's still pleasing to the eye, yet will still work on a lot of machines out there. It's a very accessible game. And far as Vistas, I think that just varies person to person. And on the topic of graphics, in my humble opinion. I'd take other game aspects over graphics any day. I still love playing old RPGs on 8-bit graphics, hell I'd pay 50$ for a new game with 8-bit graphics as long as everything else was rawk on.
Far as the game mechanics of actually playing it? Again, honestly like WoW and others out there. Why will I try to press on? Again, I'm a whore. I'm using WoW too much as an example, maybe cause it's played by a lot and I just assume the people bashing Vanguard are WoW players // fanboys. Sorry, one should never assume =P Here's a question.
For the faults in this game (which I see on many of games) exactly how does it differ from them? Where's this perfect MMO I'm missing out on? Cause I'd love to be playing it, if someone would just tell me what it was. Cause I'm here hoping after a couple months it might be it.
Also, spell affects and animations. Okay, I'm sorry. I haven't seen much out there that screams, OMG WOW. Yes, in others might look a little bit more "pretty" but.. An MMO is basically a hack and slash game. Just, without repeatedly bashing your mouse to attack, you lock on and bush keys//macros.
And to Ayanel, I really do see your point. Nothing wrong with it at all. I agree with some, slightly disagree with others parts of it, and some just curious of why you (and others) feel that way.
My thing is: There's a game for everyone, for each of his or hers tastes. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be tons out there trying to fill that every so glowing void each gamer has when not playing a game.
I haven't read this entire thread, cause after 3-4 pages it seamlessly was the same thing over and over. Those who love it and those who don't. How does this differ from any other game on the market? It really doesn't. You have the right to like it or not.
I've dabbled in MMOs for long while now, my main addiction was SWG. I've played others, done trails, always giving each a chance. I even did WoW for two months. Even went back, only stayed two weeks after that. Does that mean it's a horrible game? Not really, especially when you can argue about the user base shows it's not. Then, we can say crack is a hit, but doesn't mean it's good for you
I just started up tonight, logged at least 4 hours in the game. My initial response? No clue yet. Even though I played at least two years in SWG, I had no idea if I'd like it or not after only 4 hours or even 2 weeks of playing. Could be I only log maybe 1-5 hours a day if lucky towards an MMO, but I also dabble in playing other games, for I'm also an RTS fanatic. But I'm not going to give up so easily on it, especially after a 50$$ investment. I like the idea of a challenge though, as long as at some point the troubles reap some sort of rewards. I left WoW, cause I felt like I had no challenge at all. I felt like I was playing a glorified massive online version of the DiabloWarcraft! Like I said, I'm an RTS nut and Blizzard fan boy, it wasn't a lack of trying, that kept me playing that game.
Now, the thread starter mentions graphics. So far, I will admit, yes. It's no show stopper. Yet, it isn't garbage either. What do people expect, Crysis graphics on a stink en massive multiplayer? Take games like BF2/BF2142 which have pretty darn good graphics to most standards and if you don't have top notch rig, it's going to be hard to play a game on high settings, with just 32-64 people playing on a server. Now, obviously an MMO is going to be more than just double that, so think about it. But, that's where I give Blizzard props. They made a game that's still pleasing to the eye, yet will still work on a lot of machines out there. It's a very accessible game. And far as Vistas, I think that just varies person to person. And on the topic of graphics, in my humble opinion. I'd take other game aspects over graphics any day. I still love playing old RPGs on 8-bit graphics, hell I'd pay 50$ for a new game with 8-bit graphics as long as everything else was rawk on.
Far as the game mechanics of actually playing it? Again, honestly like WoW and others out there. Why will I try to press on? Again, I'm a whore. I'm using WoW too much as an example, maybe cause it's played by a lot and I just assume the people bashing Vanguard are WoW players // fanboys. Sorry, one should never assume =P Here's a question.
For the faults in this game (which I see on many of games) exactly how does it differ from them? Where's this perfect MMO I'm missing out on? Cause I'd love to be playing it, if someone would just tell me what it was. Cause I'm here hoping after a couple months it might be it.
Also, spell affects and animations. Okay, I'm sorry. I haven't seen much out there that screams, OMG WOW. Yes, in others might look a little bit more "pretty" but.. An MMO is basically a hack and slash game. Just, without repeatedly bashing your mouse to attack, you lock on and bush keys//macros.
And to Ayanel, I really do see your point. Nothing wrong with it at all. I agree with some, slightly disagree with others parts of it, and some just curious of why you (and others) feel that way.
My thing is: There's a game for everyone, for each of his or hers tastes. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be tons out there trying to fill that every so glowing void each gamer has when not playing a game.
series, with nicer features. Again, my personal take on the game. For the love me of me, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get into it. And I love
Good post Xel42, enjoyed reading it.
Having played Wow for a couple of years, which I found fun in the main, I'm now spending time in Vanguard and the diversity is refreshing. I can adventure, craft or explore depending on what mood I'm in. The main thing I find is not to expect instant gratification! Watching the xp bar is boring, but to join a good team and to have an entertaining experience, brings back whispers of SWG/AO days, when enthusiasm for getting "quests" done was not based on xp and item rewards, but more on socializing and enjoyment of game.
Already in Vanguard I've had some unique moments which I haven't felt in game for a long time.
Starting areas make a difference in Vanguard as atmosphere really varies, a nice guild is important too.... Telon can be a big lonely world sometimes and its good to be able to share your adventures with friends. Also since I've updated my PC the world has become very beautiful, I often just stop and stare, some of the scenery is awesome!
It's hard to guess what the long term future of Vanguard will be like, but for now I'm definitely enjoying the freedom!
I disagree with ayanel completely, but you'd have to be naive to think that everyone is going to share your opinion of a game, right? The guys who are complaining about xp debt must not be paying attention to what they're doing. You lose 6% of your level xp when you die, but if you recover your tombstone, without summoning it at an altar, then you get 5% of that back. This leaves you with a net loss of 1% of your level, which is hardly a big deal.
took you two weeks to explore this vast huge game? im not even out of the starting city yet.. notice a difference? Its a game for people who like to play slow and enjoy immersiveness.
bye!.
Clearly you did not read my post. I did not explore this “huge world” in two weeks, because I have found nothing in the game during that time that makes me believe it is worth exploring.
The quests are straight out of any other MMO. The world graphics are ok but seem very poorly used. The spell effects are awful. You have to grind to see any of the lore. The animations are substandard. After picking your class and race there is little to no way to customize your character. If you think you can find depth in that more power to you.
Just seems to me that he's missing "The Hook". I've read quite a bit from many of the people that say they are leaving the game and it's a common element in all of them.
This game has no "Hook" at the early levels for many players. This is the point in the game when many people decide whether the game is for them or not. This "Well....things are so much better at level XX" doesn't work as a hook anymore. Brad is seriously living in the past if this is the way he's designed this game. And the population of the game will, unfortunately, suffer for it. As will the potential as their money dries up.
I always hate it when a game that shows such promise at the beginning (SW:G for one) doesn't live up to it's potential at launch or later on down the line.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
All you've learned since you started playing onliners and coming here are the words: newbie, troll and fanboy (I know I'm forgetting a few that are used way too much). You've also picked up how to write the dumbest posts, which is lovely! Can't help but read of a few of these every week though. Keep it up.
Good on the "topic" starter for leaving Vanguard. Would too if I didn't enjoy it, even if I wouldn't write a post but we're all different I guess.
Nothing that was written there really interested me, as I've played the game. Feel ya on some things, so what now? What's the big plan? Wanna have a get together and talk about it? (sounds fun, doesn't it?)
And you other people:
Played it and didn't like it? - You can come to the gathering as well.
Not going to play it? - Then why do you even bother?
"Waiting 6 months for it to get better"? - Go for it, will still be the same game with 2 bugs less and maybe an Inqu. class!
Want to be sure you don't waste a few coins buying a game you won't like? - Hope you don't have it that bad...
Are you a sad baby? (Highly possible that you fit here)
But thanks for the bull though guys, highly appreciated.
All you've learned since you started playing onliners and coming here are the words: newbie, troll and fanboy (I know I'm forgetting a few that are used way too much). You've also picked up how to write the dumbest posts, which is lovely! Can't help but read of a few of these every week though. Keep it up.
Good on the "topic" starter for leaving Vanguard. Would too if I didn't enjoy it, even if I wouldn't write a post but we're all different I guess.
Nothing that was written there really interested me, as I've played the game. Feel ya on some things, so what now? What's the big plan? Wanna have a get together and talk about it? (sounds fun, doesn't it?)
And you other people:
Played it and didn't like it? - You can come to the gathering as well.
Not going to play it? - Then why do you even bother?
"Waiting 6 months for it to get better"? - Go for it, will still be the same game with 2 bugs less and maybe an Inqu. class!
Want to be sure you don't waste a few coins buying a game you won't like? - Hope you don't have it that bad...
Are you a sad baby? (Highly possible that you fit here)
But thanks for the bull though guys, highly appreciated.
Fair assessment I suppose. But, my experience is that very few if any MMO remains static. I hope you will reconsider after a few months and reports come out about vastly improved things are. Especially those "uninspired" particle effects Hope to hear from you again soon and enjoy whatever endeavor you have chosen.
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
Now I know people are going to post that the game does not really begin until some arbitrary level and that I need to work to see anything worth seeing. And to this I have to reply why? A basic, and very well understood, principle of human psychology is that first impressions matter, a lot. The first 10 or so hours in a game is your chance to hook your audience and draw them into the world, to show them what your engine and design team are capable of. Make your starting areas breathtaking and I’ll search the world over for other sites. If your first quests are compelling and meaningful I’ll believe others will be as well. Give me the first half of an engaging story and I’ll spend hours trying to piece together the rest. But I’m not seeing any of that in Vanguard and I refuse to spend hundreds of hours grinding in the hope that someday I may.
Definately. I still wonder, does the game get better, or is that just what people tell eachother (and themselves?) Because if so, it was a horrible design decision- with so many MMOs on the market, players need to be hooked right away, and reviewers need to see what the game has to offer, within a reasonable time frame. Expecting a few hundred thousand loyal fans who'll be more persistant? I don't think so...
OTOH, and if the game doesn't actually get better, more epic, impressive, etc, well, that's just sad.
Why are you still in these forums ? I think everyone knows you opinoin now, you can leave. And to the op, sorry bro, but everytime I adventure out and over hills I see lots of stuff hidden away in the landscape. I have yet to found an area like you speak of. Maybe we have different playing styles, but I seem to find forts, castles and outpost all over the place. Which city did you start in ?
You are taking the wrong approach to enjoying this game. Just give it a couple years for the devs to put in what they hoped to have at release and you'll have the 2nd gen game they were promising.
You are taking the wrong approach to enjoying this game. Just give it a couple years for the devs to put in what they hoped to have at release and you'll have the 2nd gen game they were promising.
Yea, and in the meantime give them $15 a month to accomplish those things! Great idea!
You are taking the wrong approach to enjoying this game. Just give it a couple years for the devs to put in what they hoped to have at release and you'll have the 2nd gen game they were promising.
Yea, and in the meantime give them $15 a month to accomplish those things! Great idea!
I never said anything about it being a good idea, i certainly dont plan to do it. I was simply suggesting a way for players to brainwash themselves into liking a rushed and hollow game.
Wow man you should make a strategy book or somthing. Thats some serious skill 3rd person and all, blew my mind ty for info I think I will sign back up for 10 years now.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
"repeatedly doing something stupid" = logging into VG every day and thinking it will turn into a good game.
Wow man you should make a strategy book or somthing. Thats some serious skill 3rd person and all, blew my mind ty for info I think I will sign back up for 10 years now.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
"repeatedly doing something stupid" = logging into VG every day and thinking it will turn into a good game.
You forgot to mention that this is your opinion....
Repeatedly stating your opinions and believing them to be facts is the same thing as "repeatedly doing something stupid"....IN MY OPINION
You forgot to mention that this is your opinion.... Repeatedly stating your opinions and believing them to be facts is the same thing as "repeatedly doing something stupid"....IN MY OPINION
Let me rephrase this as a fact for ya Ted; VG is a bug-ridden steaming pile (fact) , and its this bugginess that is driving people off in droves. (fact).
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Should have stopped right there. Yes, some players are better and gauging and handling danger. We like to play in third person and scan the horizon in dangerous situations to see all around us. If we must enter high level areas, we like making sure we have some kind of speed advantage. We like making macro's that automatically target tombstones and drag them so we don't have to get too close or waste time looting. We know when getting a single tombstone might not be worth the risk of dying 10 more times and when it might be wise to just go ahead and summon our corpses and be done with it. Some of us will bind our gear to ensure that we aren't naked and can better take damage after a death. Etc. etc.
"I'm sorry but your mmo has been diagnosed with EA and only has X number of days to live."
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
I believe InvidiousElitism is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite— a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes — are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight; whose views and/or actions are mostly likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.
is calling you a newb.
A newbie is a newcomer to a particular field, the term being commonly used on the internet, where it might refer to new, inexperienced, or ignorant users of a game, a newsgroup, an operating system or the Internet itself. In many cases more experienced/knowledgeable people use it in purposes of negative reinforcement, urging "newbies" to learn more about the field or area in question.
"I'm sorry but your mmo has been diagnosed with EA and only has X number of days to live."
Check you guys out!
All you've learned since you started playing onliners and coming here are the words: newbie, troll and fanboy (I know I'm forgetting a few that are used way too much). You've also picked up how to write the dumbest posts, which is lovely! Can't help but read of a few of these every week though. Keep it up.
Good on the "topic" starter for leaving Vanguard. Would too if I didn't enjoy it, even if I wouldn't write a post but we're all different I guess.
Nothing that was written there really interested me, as I've played the game. Feel ya on some things, so what now? What's the big plan? Wanna have a get together and talk about it? (sounds fun, doesn't it?)
And you other people:
Played it and didn't like it? - You can come to the gathering as well.
Not going to play it? - Then why do you even bother?
"Waiting 6 months for it to get better"? - Go for it, will still be the same game with 2 bugs less and maybe an Inqu. class!
Want to be sure you don't waste a few coins buying a game you won't like? - Hope you don't have it that bad...
Are you a sad baby? (Highly possible that you fit here)
But thanks for the bull though guys, highly appreciated.
I played beta and I didn't really leave, I just haven't picked up a retail copy yet, probuably will at summer when I have some free time.
Also....2 less bugs will rock!
My opinion matters to everyone...
I've dabbled in MMOs for long while now, my main addiction was SWG. I've played others, done trails, always giving each a chance. I even did WoW for two months. Even went back, only stayed two weeks after that. Does that mean it's a horrible game? Not really, especially when you can argue about the user base shows it's not. Then, we can say crack is a hit, but doesn't mean it's good for you
I just started up tonight, logged at least 4 hours in the game. My initial response? No clue yet. Even though I played at least two years in SWG, I had no idea if I'd like it or not after only 4 hours or even 2 weeks of playing. Could be I only log maybe 1-5 hours a day if lucky towards an MMO, but I also dabble in playing other games, for I'm also an RTS fanatic. But I'm not going to give up so easily on it, especially after a 50$$ investment. I like the idea of a challenge though, as long as at some point the troubles reap some sort of rewards. I left WoW, cause I felt like I had no challenge at all. I felt like I was playing a glorified massive online version of the Diablo series, with nicer features. Again, my personal take on the game. For the love me of me, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get into it. And I love Warcraft! Like I said, I'm an RTS nut and Blizzard fan boy, it wasn't a lack of trying, that kept me playing that game.
Now, the thread starter mentions graphics. So far, I will admit, yes. It's no show stopper. Yet, it isn't garbage either. What do people expect, Crysis graphics on a stink en massive multiplayer? Take games like BF2/BF2142 which have pretty darn good graphics to most standards and if you don't have top notch rig, it's going to be hard to play a game on high settings, with just 32-64 people playing on a server. Now, obviously an MMO is going to be more than just double that, so think about it. But, that's where I give Blizzard props. They made a game that's still pleasing to the eye, yet will still work on a lot of machines out there. It's a very accessible game. And far as Vistas, I think that just varies person to person. And on the topic of graphics, in my humble opinion. I'd take other game aspects over graphics any day. I still love playing old RPGs on 8-bit graphics, hell I'd pay 50$ for a new game with 8-bit graphics as long as everything else was rawk on.
Far as the game mechanics of actually playing it? Again, honestly like WoW and others out there. Why will I try to press on? Again, I'm a whore. I'm using WoW too much as an example, maybe cause it's played by a lot and I just assume the people bashing Vanguard are WoW players // fanboys. Sorry, one should never assume =P Here's a question.
For the faults in this game (which I see on many of games) exactly how does it differ from them? Where's this perfect MMO I'm missing out on? Cause I'd love to be playing it, if someone would just tell me what it was. Cause I'm here hoping after a couple months it might be it.
Also, spell affects and animations. Okay, I'm sorry. I haven't seen much out there that screams, OMG WOW. Yes, in others might look a little bit more "pretty" but.. An MMO is basically a hack and slash game. Just, without repeatedly bashing your mouse to attack, you lock on and bush keys//macros.
And to Ayanel, I really do see your point. Nothing wrong with it at all. I agree with some, slightly disagree with others parts of it, and some just curious of why you (and others) feel that way.
My thing is: There's a game for everyone, for each of his or hers tastes. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be tons out there trying to fill that every so glowing void each gamer has when not playing a game.
I haven't read this entire thread, cause after 3-4 pages it seamlessly was the same thing over and over. Those who love it and those who don't. How does this differ from any other game on the market? It really doesn't. You have the right to like it or not.
I've dabbled in MMOs for long while now, my main addiction was SWG. I've played others, done trails, always giving each a chance. I even did WoW for two months. Even went back, only stayed two weeks after that. Does that mean it's a horrible game? Not really, especially when you can argue about the user base shows it's not. Then, we can say crack is a hit, but doesn't mean it's good for you
I just started up tonight, logged at least 4 hours in the game. My initial response? No clue yet. Even though I played at least two years in SWG, I had no idea if I'd like it or not after only 4 hours or even 2 weeks of playing. Could be I only log maybe 1-5 hours a day if lucky towards an MMO, but I also dabble in playing other games, for I'm also an RTS fanatic. But I'm not going to give up so easily on it, especially after a 50$$ investment. I like the idea of a challenge though, as long as at some point the troubles reap some sort of rewards. I left WoW, cause I felt like I had no challenge at all. I felt like I was playing a glorified massive online version of the DiabloWarcraft! Like I said, I'm an RTS nut and Blizzard fan boy, it wasn't a lack of trying, that kept me playing that game.
Now, the thread starter mentions graphics. So far, I will admit, yes. It's no show stopper. Yet, it isn't garbage either. What do people expect, Crysis graphics on a stink en massive multiplayer? Take games like BF2/BF2142 which have pretty darn good graphics to most standards and if you don't have top notch rig, it's going to be hard to play a game on high settings, with just 32-64 people playing on a server. Now, obviously an MMO is going to be more than just double that, so think about it. But, that's where I give Blizzard props. They made a game that's still pleasing to the eye, yet will still work on a lot of machines out there. It's a very accessible game. And far as Vistas, I think that just varies person to person. And on the topic of graphics, in my humble opinion. I'd take other game aspects over graphics any day. I still love playing old RPGs on 8-bit graphics, hell I'd pay 50$ for a new game with 8-bit graphics as long as everything else was rawk on.
Far as the game mechanics of actually playing it? Again, honestly like WoW and others out there. Why will I try to press on? Again, I'm a whore. I'm using WoW too much as an example, maybe cause it's played by a lot and I just assume the people bashing Vanguard are WoW players // fanboys. Sorry, one should never assume =P Here's a question.
For the faults in this game (which I see on many of games) exactly how does it differ from them? Where's this perfect MMO I'm missing out on? Cause I'd love to be playing it, if someone would just tell me what it was. Cause I'm here hoping after a couple months it might be it.
Also, spell affects and animations. Okay, I'm sorry. I haven't seen much out there that screams, OMG WOW. Yes, in others might look a little bit more "pretty" but.. An MMO is basically a hack and slash game. Just, without repeatedly bashing your mouse to attack, you lock on and bush keys//macros.
And to Ayanel, I really do see your point. Nothing wrong with it at all. I agree with some, slightly disagree with others parts of it, and some just curious of why you (and others) feel that way.
My thing is: There's a game for everyone, for each of his or hers tastes. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be tons out there trying to fill that every so glowing void each gamer has when not playing a game.
series, with nicer features. Again, my personal take on the game. For the love me of me, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get into it. And I love
Good post Xel42, enjoyed reading it.
Having played Wow for a couple of years, which I found fun in the main, I'm now spending time in Vanguard and the diversity is refreshing. I can adventure, craft or explore depending on what mood I'm in. The main thing I find is not to expect instant gratification! Watching the xp bar is boring, but to join a good team and to have an entertaining experience, brings back whispers of SWG/AO days, when enthusiasm for getting "quests" done was not based on xp and item rewards, but more on socializing and enjoyment of game.
Already in Vanguard I've had some unique moments which I haven't felt in game for a long time.
Starting areas make a difference in Vanguard as atmosphere really varies, a nice guild is important too.... Telon can be a big lonely world sometimes and its good to be able to share your adventures with friends. Also since I've updated my PC the world has become very beautiful, I often just stop and stare, some of the scenery is awesome!
It's hard to guess what the long term future of Vanguard will be like, but for now I'm definitely enjoying the freedom!
I agree with the OP,but not in the terms of environmental POI's. More in terms of 'lack of players around'.
Still,this will make a good time-filler until Darkfall comes out.
Clearly you did not read my post. I did not explore this “huge world” in two weeks, because I have found nothing in the game during that time that makes me believe it is worth exploring.
The quests are straight out of any other MMO. The world graphics are ok but seem very poorly used. The spell effects are awful. You have to grind to see any of the lore. The animations are substandard. After picking your class and race there is little to no way to customize your character. If you think you can find depth in that more power to you.
Just seems to me that he's missing "The Hook". I've read quite a bit from many of the people that say they are leaving the game and it's a common element in all of them.
This game has no "Hook" at the early levels for many players. This is the point in the game when many people decide whether the game is for them or not. This "Well....things are so much better at level XX" doesn't work as a hook anymore. Brad is seriously living in the past if this is the way he's designed this game. And the population of the game will, unfortunately, suffer for it. As will the potential as their money dries up.
I always hate it when a game that shows such promise at the beginning (SW:G for one) doesn't live up to it's potential at launch or later on down the line.
Never be afraid of choices. More choices are always good things.
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All you've learned since you started playing onliners and coming here are the words: newbie, troll and fanboy (I know I'm forgetting a few that are used way too much). You've also picked up how to write the dumbest posts, which is lovely! Can't help but read of a few of these every week though. Keep it up.
Good on the "topic" starter for leaving Vanguard. Would too if I didn't enjoy it, even if I wouldn't write a post but we're all different I guess.
Nothing that was written there really interested me, as I've played the game. Feel ya on some things, so what now? What's the big plan? Wanna have a get together and talk about it? (sounds fun, doesn't it?)
And you other people:
Played it and didn't like it? - You can come to the gathering as well.
Not going to play it? - Then why do you even bother?
"Waiting 6 months for it to get better"? - Go for it, will still be the same game with 2 bugs less and maybe an Inqu. class!
Want to be sure you don't waste a few coins buying a game you won't like? - Hope you don't have it that bad...
Are you a sad baby? (Highly possible that you fit here)
But thanks for the bull though guys, highly appreciated.
Brilliant!!!
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Just gimme some truth
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Definately. I still wonder, does the game get better, or is that just what people tell eachother (and themselves?) Because if so, it was a horrible design decision- with so many MMOs on the market, players need to be hooked right away, and reviewers need to see what the game has to offer, within a reasonable time frame. Expecting a few hundred thousand loyal fans who'll be more persistant? I don't think so...
OTOH, and if the game doesn't actually get better, more epic, impressive, etc, well, that's just sad.
Why are you still in these forums ? I think everyone knows you opinoin now, you can leave. And to the op, sorry bro, but everytime I adventure out and over hills I see lots of stuff hidden away in the landscape. I have yet to found an area like you speak of. Maybe we have different playing styles, but I seem to find forts, castles and outpost all over the place. Which city did you start in ?
Yea, and in the meantime give them $15 a month to accomplish those things! Great idea!
Yea, and in the meantime give them $15 a month to accomplish those things! Great idea!
I never said anything about it being a good idea, i certainly dont plan to do it. I was simply suggesting a way for players to brainwash themselves into liking a rushed and hollow game.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
"repeatedly doing something stupid" = logging into VG every day and thinking it will turn into a good game.
Common stuff. It's how some people die far less than others. You can check the VG boards for kill vs. death ratio. Lots of that is just about who is being careful and who isn't. I mean, I die all the time, but it never sets me back several days. You'd have to be repeatedly doing something stupid for that to happen.
"repeatedly doing something stupid" = logging into VG every day and thinking it will turn into a good game.
You forgot to mention that this is your opinion....
Repeatedly stating your opinions and believing them to be facts is the same thing as "repeatedly doing something stupid"....IN MY OPINION