The only game that will affect WoW badly will be WAR.
LOTRO is just too similar to WOW and doesn't have PVP, AOC is simply not for everyone taste, like Vanguard either you ll like it or hate it (for different reasosns of course)
WAR RvR and PvP system together with the cartoonish graphic will win lots of people from WOW (and from others games).
There is no other blockbuster on the horizon apart for the Mythic game.
War hammer might, but judging by the information released so far, its a game aimed more at PvP. Not that i have a problem with that, PvP is the best part of any MMO; However, that will cost them some subscribers aswell. That being said, i doubt it will topple WoW unless the find a way to appeal to the PvE crowd aswell. Even on the PvP servers, outside of the random ganking and chance run ins with the enemy alliance, PvP doesn't play that big of a part of the game unless you specifically seek it out. That way someone who mostly enjoys PvE can still jump in and help his fellow alliance players, but isn't forced to PvP nearly as much as other pvp games, Particular games like L2 that are based around PvP.
Lord of the rings won't touch it, simple as that; It's a movie game, thats triple trouble for it. I enjoyed the movies, but im not a fanatic so i doubt id even bother to try the game; I didn't like them that much, and many others feel the same way. People who didn't like the movie or didn't see it probably won't even consider it at all.
Worst of all, games based on movies are notorius for being horrible. It would have to be absolutly steller to beat the bad rap its already gotten.
The probem with the LOTR games is that good or bad, they have alot of things going against them well before they are released. They are more for the niche' market than anything. If you enjoy them, thats great for you, but thats the truth of it. With any game based on a movie, you can only expect people who really enjoyed the movies to buy it, where as WoW appeals to a much much larger target audience. It may very well be a great game, but even so, its not going to beat out WoW. Thats just how the market works.
it would be a miracle if WAR KOed WoW because beyond the relatively small in-the-know MMO and roleplayer community WAR isnt well known, if at all. Ask 3/4 of WoW players what warhammer is and they most likely either wont know or will only have a slight idea. It isnt like WoW where everyone knew about blizzard and the warcraft series
How about this, i dont want anything to kill wow. I want wow to continue to reign supreme and to hold on to its community. With any luck it improves the communities of every other future game.
[quote]Turbine doesn't have the kind of pedigree games in it's stable that promotes consumer loyalty either. All but dead in 3 months is my bet.[/quote]
I'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is. Most posters here have Lotro all wrong. The polish, familiar gameplay, and brand name will boost this up to at least 1 million subscribers in the first 6 months. It's already the most preordered game on gamestop, and it's already on back order.
Forced grouping at higher levels will hurt LoTR. I would be highly suprised to see the game break 250k subscribers after 6 months
[quote]Turbine doesn't have the kind of pedigree games in it's stable that promotes consumer loyalty either. All but dead in 3 months is my bet.[/quote]
I'd like to see you put your money where your mouth is. Most posters here have Lotro all wrong. The polish, familiar gameplay, and brand name will boost this up to at least 1 million subscribers in the first 6 months. It's already the most preordered game on gamestop, and it's already on back order.
ArchLord also was the most pre-ordered game on gamestop way back. Pre-orders with a game like Lotro doesn't say anything. I think most people rather buy their game in the store on launch day then pre-order. But games like LOTRO offer so many benefits to pre-orders, that more people are willing to make the step to pre-order then with games who don't offer these benefits.
i think there needs to be some real mmorpgs like runescape were the game is actually good for a few long years like how i played it for 3 years and didnt get bored all it would need is some better graphics and a better enconamie and the people would be begging to play. im back again. its been along time and i hope to be here for another long time befor i go off on my mmorpg search again. but seriously. mmorpgs need to get their act up they have been pathetic for the last few months i mean look at last chaos it has nice graphics but the quests suck and the way the items work is pathetic cuz i can be lvl 1 wear the best gear in the game although it will give me a penalty it still isnt right
I won't read any bull$$ fanboy/flamer comments posted after your's. But I will reply with my own thoughts.
Let's face it, LOTRO??? Hell no, it won't be huge AT ALL. Sure many loved Lords of The Ring but that game.... just ... no. Maby good but NEVER huge, ever ever ever.
WAR will be the biggest WoW playerbase stealer for some time. It looks like the game most WoW players wants and it looks like how I thought WoW should have been like from the beginning.
AoC will be great (maby) but even though it will be great it won't receive MASSIVE amounts of subscribers. All too many players are too weak for games like that and are just satisfied with the cake-walk WoW. Allthough there are only a few who really play WoW after end-game and have patience to do the extreme farming and raiding.
I am pretty sure WoW will be #1 for a year further on. But the more people start realizing there's other games to play the less WoW will be hyped. WAR will quiet pretty much of the WoW hype when it comes and everyone just gotta have to try it. Hopefully they will be stuck.
However I'm just gonna be glad if WAR doesn't receive the hype WoW has. Come on, who the hell want's that hype anyway? It's only annoying.
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i think there needs to be some real mmorpgs like runescape were the game is actually good for a few long years like how i played it for 3 years and didnt get bored all it would need is some better graphics and a better enconamie and the people would be begging to play. im back again. its been along time and i hope to be here for another long time befor i go off on my mmorpg search again. but seriously. mmorpgs need to get their act up they have been pathetic for the last few months i mean look at last chaos it has nice graphics but the quests suck and the way the items work is pathetic cuz i can be lvl 1 wear the best gear in the game although it will give me a penalty it still isnt right
I think Age of Conan and Warhammer online will be great games and they might steal some players away from WOW. Vanguard might also be a competator, but I haven't gotten the chance to play it yet so I really don't know. The games need to be more creative I think and although many of the new games have great graphics I would love to see a game with more overgrown forests and mystic lighting instead of realistic graphics. Thats where I think WOW has succeded, but imagine a mix between WOW's mystic graphics and the great effects of a new generation graphics engine. I'm gonna test em all if I can.
You make conclusion, without having anything to conclude from.
The mainstream people who play WoW now, have used tons of time on their characters and learned that game. Yes you might not think a 100day played is much, me neither. But for the first time MMO gamer, they wont just let go that easy.
I wont even comment on your ridicolous conclusion about LOTRO will be a succes. I can see potentiel in Warhammer, but i doubt they even will release this year.
I look forward for Huxley myself, just to see if it can bring back some of the spirit PlanetSide had.
Currently playing Vanguard, and i enjoy. But i really do hope there will be a bit more depths, as so far its just grinding. Still questioning if a non-sandbox game can overrule good 'ol SWG and UO ))
Originally posted by Razorback Hmm thats pretty bold. I happen to think, as a result of a ongoing conversation Ive been having via email with a nother regular poster here that the age of the cookie cutter MMO is just about past. So whilst I cant comment on WAR because I have no knowledge of it beyond the publically available information, I can say that LotRo is a pretty standard game that is unlikely to bleed too many experienced WoW players away from their substantial time investments in their current game of choice.
Yea, LotRO and WoW seem very similar from what I've played. I don't think people who are playing WoW are going to want to leave for another mmo that is pretty similar. They'll probably just keep playing WoW (probably be another expansion by the time they are bored).
My prediction... Lord of the Rings Online will be an insane success for Turbine. Better graphics then WOW. A huge, beloved Tolkien masterpiece loved by tens of millions is being made into an online game! And it is as smooth and just as polished as WOW with better graphics?? Look out Blizzard. Turbine will be stealing ATLEAST 1-2 million of your current WOW accounts within a years time. The second huge punch to the liver of WoW will come from Mythic/EA with Warhammer Online. This punch will KO Blizzard from the mmo leader in North America and Europe and about 3 or 4 other mmos such as Aion, Huxley, and SUN will start helping to steal the Asian market as well. I predicted quite a while back (little over a year ago) that WOW would be dead in 2 years. It may take just a little longer, and WOW probably won't be "dead", but it certainly will not still be sitting on top of the mmo market. The competition which is capable of KO'ing our current king is almost here. As I predicted and said quite a while back, the bigger they are... they harder they fall. And I fully expect World of Warcraft to take some HUGE subscriber hits in the next year or so. Granted, they will still enjoy a few million subscribers at this time next year.. but they will be surrendering millions of subscribers to some new contenders. Summer of 08 I expect the North American and Europe mmo market to look like this: LOTRO #1, Warhammer Online a close #2.. and WOW #3. I know flames are coming. Especially from all the people who love WOW. Fine. It's just a prediction folks. I could be wrong as hell. Time will tell.
- Zaxx
Lord of the Rings Online = polished version of Dungeons & Dragons Online. It will make as big a dent in WoW as DDO did.
Age of Conan will make a bigger dent then LOTR Online.
Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising will have a similar impact on WoW as LOTR Online.
Warhammr Online will make the biggest impact on WoW and will most likley take the most subscriptions away from WoW than anyother MMORPG coming out this year.
The reason...
WoW = casual PvE that dables in PvP
WAR = casual PvP that dables in PvE
"Whosoever shed last blood By man shall his blood be shed For immunity of God make he the man Destroy all that which is evil So that which is good may flourish And I shall count thee among my favored sheep And you shall have the protection of all the angels in Heaven."
I agree 100% with the original poster about LOTR and War taking top spots next year but they will only put a dent in WoW's figures. I'm thinking WoW will lose 2 mill in subs by the end of 2007- but that's only a dent:)
As long as WoW has PC requirements that a 4 yr old PC off the shelf can handle- it won't ever be toppled. Probably 50% of WoW's subs are under the age of 18 and they aren't just gonna be able to play any 2007 games without spending a few hundred dollars on 2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range card.
My guess is LOTR and WAR are both going to hit a million in subs next year- and do it EASILY!!.
And I hate PvP and I'd rather eat bugs than read the Lord of The Ring books- so I'm no fanbois of either genre. And WAR will directly pull it's million from WoW whereas LOTR will pull it's million from many other games( but not WoW) - at least that's my feeling. I think Age of Conan will pull subs directly from WoW too- that M rating and the blood and bimbos will be a big lure for the lil WoW boys LOL!!
I don't understand the haters of LOTR and how dismissive they are of the viabilty of this game being successful. I am not narrow minded enough to dismiss a PvP based game like Warhammer because I don't like PvP- I see how much people like that aspect and I know that War will be a hit next year cus of it. Why are the PvP crowd so disdainful of LOTR - because it is a gentler and dignified kind of world? Because it isn't flashy and trashy like the current MMO's?
The sales of LOTR are huge already- it's taken the number 1 spot on EB and Gamestop now for a straight month- even with Vanguard being newly released by the way. People in this business are predicting it to hit a million and I think it'll hit that BEFORE it's release date on April 24th in total world sales.
They just added different content and reused and rehashed everything else from DDO.
One has to wonder what they have done with their development time since they took litterally everything from DDO. They then pretty much copied everything else from WoW. I forsee content complaints coming very quickly as well. Which adds more to the question if they took so much from DDO what have they been doing ??
No LOTRO will not touch WoW not even close. It will do ok but it wont make WoW even yip a little bit.
My prediction... Lord of the Rings Online will be an insane success for Turbine. Better graphics then WOW. A huge, beloved Tolkien masterpiece loved by tens of millions is being made into an online game! And it is as smooth and just as polished as WOW with better graphics?? Look out Blizzard. Turbine will be stealing ATLEAST 1-2 million of your current WOW accounts within a years time. The second huge punch to the liver of WoW will come from Mythic/EA with Warhammer Online. This punch will KO Blizzard from the mmo leader in North America and Europe and about 3 or 4 other mmos such as Aion, Huxley, and SUN will start helping to steal the Asian market as well. I predicted quite a while back (little over a year ago) that WOW would be dead in 2 years. It may take just a little longer, and WOW probably won't be "dead", but it certainly will not still be sitting on top of the mmo market. The competition which is capable of KO'ing our current king is almost here. As I predicted and said quite a while back, the bigger they are... they harder they fall. And I fully expect World of Warcraft to take some HUGE subscriber hits in the next year or so. Granted, they will still enjoy a few million subscribers at this time next year.. but they will be surrendering millions of subscribers to some new contenders. Summer of 08 I expect the North American and Europe mmo market to look like this: LOTRO #1, Warhammer Online a close #2.. and WOW #3. I know flames are coming. Especially from all the people who love WOW. Fine. It's just a prediction folks. I could be wrong as hell. Time will tell.
My prediction... Lord of the Rings Online will be an insane success for Turbine. Better graphics then WOW. A huge, beloved Tolkien masterpiece loved by tens of millions is being made into an online game! And it is as smooth and just as polished as WOW with better graphics?? Look out Blizzard. Turbine will be stealing ATLEAST 1-2 million of your current WOW accounts within a years time. The second huge punch to the liver of WoW will come from Mythic/EA with Warhammer Online. This punch will KO Blizzard from the mmo leader in North America and Europe and about 3 or 4 other mmos such as Aion, Huxley, and SUN will start helping to steal the Asian market as well. I predicted quite a while back (little over a year ago) that WOW would be dead in 2 years. It may take just a little longer, and WOW probably won't be "dead", but it certainly will not still be sitting on top of the mmo market. The competition which is capable of KO'ing our current king is almost here. As I predicted and said quite a while back, the bigger they are... they harder they fall. And I fully expect World of Warcraft to take some HUGE subscriber hits in the next year or so. Granted, they will still enjoy a few million subscribers at this time next year.. but they will be surrendering millions of subscribers to some new contenders. Summer of 08 I expect the North American and Europe mmo market to look like this: LOTRO #1, Warhammer Online a close #2.. and WOW #3. I know flames are coming. Especially from all the people who love WOW. Fine. It's just a prediction folks. I could be wrong as hell. Time will tell.
- Zaxx
My prediction, Wow on top, War and LOTRO duking it out for second, Vanguard will have the hardcore following. AoC looks like it might be a competator, if its good, Im guessing it would be up in the top 3, if its not, well not the top 3.
WoW wont be trumped any time soon as far as i'm concerned.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
They just added different content and reused and rehashed everything else from DDO.[/quote]
What the heck are you talking about? It's more like WoW with a Lotro skin. Let's break it down.
DDO is basically a city with quests in it. No exploring. Lotro is a full fledged world with lots of exploring.
DDO is twitch based combat and a more arcade like feel. Lotro is your standard WoW feel to the world.
DDO loot mildly resembles old Asheron's Call loot. Lotro loot is the WoW system.
And that's just to get me started. Very little was taken from DDO. Funnily, the quests in DDO might be better because of the traps and puzzles. Just the other stuff more than makes up for it.
As long as WoW has PC requirements that a 4 yr old PC off the shelf can handle- it won't ever be toppled. Probably 50% of WoW's subs are under the age of 18 and they aren't just gonna be able to play any 2007 games without spending a few hundred dollars on 2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range card.
I agree about low system specs being an issue. My friend does not join me for new releases but continues with WoW, he frequently cites the expense of buying a new computer as the reason. FYI he is 38 years old.
Hardware scaleability is one of WoW's strengths and technical achievements.
The average age of a WoW player is 24, making 50% of all WoW players under the age of 24.
There must only be a very small percentage under the age of 18. I doubt if it is in double figures.
They just added different content and reused and rehashed everything else from DDO.[/quote]
What the heck are you talking about? It's more like WoW with a Lotro skin. Let's break it down.
DDO is basically a city with quests in it. No exploring. Lotro is a full fledged world with lots of exploring.
DDO is twitch based combat and a more arcade like feel. Lotro is your standard WoW feel to the world.
DDO loot mildly resembles old Asheron's Call loot. Lotro loot is the WoW system.
And that's just to get me started. Very little was taken from DDO. Funnily, the quests in DDO might be better because of the traps and puzzles. Just the other stuff more than makes up for it.
Armor taken from DDO
Char creation exact duplicate from DDO minus the D&D Char stats section
Char models exactly the same as in DDO
In game models and scenery copies from various DDO quests I have seen and participated in
Combat is even the same minus a few adjustments
UI is based on WoW's
Its DDO with a WoW UI with middle earth thrown in as content. It still will make an ok game but its not going to break any records. Turbine will realize profit from this title and a return on the heavy invesments they recieved to buy the D&D and LOTROI IP's.
Too many subscribers have already hit 70 since the expansion and are back to the raid grind. With the next expansion at least a year away I predict that the players wont hang around that long if there is something else to play. I believe LOTRO and WAR will both be getting a large portion of WOW's veteran fanbase and perhaps if VG can get its act together it might even pull a portion of that number.
We americans tend to have short attention spans. We are the A.D.D capitol of the universe so I dont see WOW holding the North American subscribers for another year or more with that sorry attempt at an expansion that was too small and took too long to get here.
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Char creation exact duplicate from DDO minus the D&D Char stats section
Char models exactly the same as in DDO
In game models and scenery copies from various DDO quests I have seen and participated in
Combat is even the same minus a few adjustments
UI is based on WoW's
Its DDO with a WoW UI with middle earth thrown in as content. It still will make an ok game but its not going to break any records. Turbine will realize profit from this title and a return on the heavy invesments they recieved to buy the D&D and LOTROI IP's.
You do realize Turbine made DDO, so there will be a simularity?
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LOTRO is just too similar to WOW and doesn't have PVP, AOC is simply not for everyone taste, like Vanguard either you ll like it or hate it (for different reasosns of course)
WAR RvR and PvP system together with the cartoonish graphic will win lots of people from WOW (and from others games).
There is no other blockbuster on the horizon apart for the Mythic game.
Watch this space
Lord of the rings won't touch it, simple as that; It's a movie game, thats triple trouble for it. I enjoyed the movies, but im not a fanatic so i doubt id even bother to try the game; I didn't like them that much, and many others feel the same way. People who didn't like the movie or didn't see it probably won't even consider it at all.
Worst of all, games based on movies are notorius for being horrible. It would have to be absolutly steller to beat the bad rap its already gotten.
The probem with the LOTR games is that good or bad, they have alot of things going against them well before they are released. They are more for the niche' market than anything. If you enjoy them, thats great for you, but thats the truth of it. With any game based on a movie, you can only expect people who really enjoyed the movies to buy it, where as WoW appeals to a much much larger target audience. It may very well be a great game, but even so, its not going to beat out WoW. Thats just how the market works.
lotr has made my prefered list already.
there are only 3 other games on that list in order of greatness.
DAOC
WOW
EQ
i think there needs to be some real mmorpgs like runescape were the game is actually good for a few long years like how i played it for 3 years and didnt get bored all it would need is some better graphics and a better enconamie and the people would be begging to play. im back again. its been along time and i hope to be here for another long time befor i go off on my mmorpg search again. but seriously. mmorpgs need to get their act up they have been pathetic for the last few months i mean look at last chaos it has nice graphics but the quests suck and the way the items work is pathetic cuz i can be lvl 1 wear the best gear in the game although it will give me a penalty it still isnt right
OP:
I won't read any bull$$ fanboy/flamer comments posted after your's. But I will reply with my own thoughts.
Let's face it, LOTRO??? Hell no, it won't be huge AT ALL. Sure many loved Lords of The Ring but that game.... just ... no. Maby good but NEVER huge, ever ever ever.
WAR will be the biggest WoW playerbase stealer for some time. It looks like the game most WoW players wants and it looks like how I thought WoW should have been like from the beginning.
AoC will be great (maby) but even though it will be great it won't receive MASSIVE amounts of subscribers. All too many players are too weak for games like that and are just satisfied with the cake-walk WoW. Allthough there are only a few who really play WoW after end-game and have patience to do the extreme farming and raiding.
I am pretty sure WoW will be #1 for a year further on. But the more people start realizing there's other games to play the less WoW will be hyped. WAR will quiet pretty much of the WoW hype when it comes and everyone just gotta have to try it. Hopefully they will be stuck.
However I'm just gonna be glad if WAR doesn't receive the hype WoW has. Come on, who the hell want's that hype anyway? It's only annoying.
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You make conclusion, without having anything to conclude from.
The mainstream people who play WoW now, have used tons of time on their characters and learned that game. Yes you might not think a 100day played is much, me neither. But for the first time MMO gamer, they wont just let go that easy.
I wont even comment on your ridicolous conclusion about LOTRO will be a succes. I can see potentiel in Warhammer, but i doubt they even will release this year.
I look forward for Huxley myself, just to see if it can bring back some of the spirit PlanetSide had.
Currently playing Vanguard, and i enjoy. But i really do hope there will be a bit more depths, as so far its just grinding. Still questioning if a non-sandbox game can overrule good 'ol SWG and UO
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Lord of the Rings Online = polished version of Dungeons & Dragons Online. It will make as big a dent in WoW as DDO did.
Age of Conan will make a bigger dent then LOTR Online.
Gods & Heroes: Rome Rising will have a similar impact on WoW as LOTR Online.
Warhammr Online will make the biggest impact on WoW and will most likley take the most subscriptions away from WoW than anyother MMORPG coming out this year.
The reason...
WoW = casual PvE that dables in PvP
WAR = casual PvP that dables in PvE
"Whosoever shed last blood
By man shall his blood be shed
For immunity of God make he the man
Destroy all that which is evil
So that which is good may flourish
And I shall count thee among my favored sheep
And you shall have the protection of all the angels in Heaven."
As long as WoW has PC requirements that a 4 yr old PC off the shelf can handle- it won't ever be toppled. Probably 50% of WoW's subs are under the age of 18 and they aren't just gonna be able to play any 2007 games without spending a few hundred dollars on 2 gigs of RAM and a mid-range card.
My guess is LOTR and WAR are both going to hit a million in subs next year- and do it EASILY!!.
And I hate PvP and I'd rather eat bugs than read the Lord of The Ring books- so I'm no fanbois of either genre. And WAR will directly pull it's million from WoW whereas LOTR will pull it's million from many other games( but not WoW) - at least that's my feeling. I think Age of Conan will pull subs directly from WoW too- that M rating and the blood and bimbos will be a big lure for the lil WoW boys LOL!!
I don't understand the haters of LOTR and how dismissive they are of the viabilty of this game being successful. I am not narrow minded enough to dismiss a PvP based game like Warhammer because I don't like PvP- I see how much people like that aspect and I know that War will be a hit next year cus of it. Why are the PvP crowd so disdainful of LOTR - because it is a gentler and dignified kind of world? Because it isn't flashy and trashy like the current MMO's?
The sales of LOTR are huge already- it's taken the number 1 spot on EB and Gamestop now for a straight month- even with Vanguard being newly released by the way. People in this business are predicting it to hit a million and I think it'll hit that BEFORE it's release date on April 24th in total world sales.
That's just my prediction:)
They just added different content and reused and rehashed everything else from DDO.
One has to wonder what they have done with their development time since they took litterally everything from DDO. They then pretty much copied everything else from WoW. I forsee content complaints coming very quickly as well. Which adds more to the question if they took so much from DDO what have they been doing ??
No LOTRO will not touch WoW not even close. It will do ok but it wont make WoW even yip a little bit.
rofl - god I almost feel bad for the op now...
yep you could be right zaxx...
*cough*
WoW wont be trumped any time soon as far as i'm concerned.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
They just added different content and reused and rehashed everything else from DDO.[/quote]
What the heck are you talking about? It's more like WoW with a Lotro skin. Let's break it down.
DDO is basically a city with quests in it. No exploring. Lotro is a full fledged world with lots of exploring.
DDO is twitch based combat and a more arcade like feel. Lotro is your standard WoW feel to the world.
DDO loot mildly resembles old Asheron's Call loot. Lotro loot is the WoW system.
And that's just to get me started. Very little was taken from DDO. Funnily, the quests in DDO might be better because of the traps and puzzles. Just the other stuff more than makes up for it.
I agree about low system specs being an issue. My friend does not join me for new releases but continues with WoW, he frequently cites the expense of buying a new computer as the reason. FYI he is 38 years old.
Hardware scaleability is one of WoW's strengths and technical achievements.
The average age of a WoW player is 24, making 50% of all WoW players under the age of 24.
There must only be a very small percentage under the age of 18. I doubt if it is in double figures.
Aoc may not take much from wow, but it will really be interesting to see how the console version does and what affect it has on the mmo industry!
Personally, I think wow will fade over time rather than be killed by any one game. I will play both AoC and WAR, not yet sure about lotro.....
Armor taken from DDO
Char creation exact duplicate from DDO minus the D&D Char stats section
Char models exactly the same as in DDO
In game models and scenery copies from various DDO quests I have seen and participated in
Combat is even the same minus a few adjustments
UI is based on WoW's
Its DDO with a WoW UI with middle earth thrown in as content. It still will make an ok game but its not going to break any records. Turbine will realize profit from this title and a return on the heavy invesments they recieved to buy the D&D and LOTROI IP's.
WOW will die regardless...............
Too many subscribers have already hit 70 since the expansion and are back to the raid grind. With the next expansion at least a year away I predict that the players wont hang around that long if there is something else to play. I believe LOTRO and WAR will both be getting a large portion of WOW's veteran fanbase and perhaps if VG can get its act together it might even pull a portion of that number.
We americans tend to have short attention spans. We are the A.D.D capitol of the universe so I dont see WOW holding the North American subscribers for another year or more with that sorry attempt at an expansion that was too small and took too long to get here.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.