The number of players online doesn't tell me so much about subscriber/subscription loss. My questions are, how many of those other 120,000 active accounts that are not logged in are still around (150,000 minus 30,000 = 120,000)? Also, how many subscribers are playing all of those subscriptions online at once? Also, out of those subscribers, how many of them are paying as much or more in real currency, and how many are playing more accounts than they pay for in real currency, because of GTC sales? How many of the people who pay are leaving, as opposed to the people who play without paying using GTCs? You won't get any idea of the ramifications to the game with just the number online.
Think of it this way a typical day is split into 5 timezones this represents the 5 parts of the planet earth as it spins around in a 24 hour period. Now The online subscriber numbers wont stay at 30k in all those timezones [after all EvE is a predomanantly european game]. So here is a rough subsciber number for each part of the 24 hour period.
Zone 1 - 14k
Zone 2 - 16k
Zone 3 - 24k
Zone 4 - 31k
Zone -5 17k
This is all a rough estimate but it should help illistrate the point imabout to make.
Now to work out a rough estimate of how many of the 150k subscribers still play you do the following 14k + 16k + 24k +31k + 17k = 102k
So by that idea the number of peple who are online that day was roughly 102k.
Now where you went wrong was to say ,"oh it says 31k people online so thats all thats been online in one day "[in other words those people have been on 24 hours]. Also another mistake yuo made was not to take into account timezones which leads back to your first mistake.
It's not worth getting into a huge debate with him over, Sepiroth.... Beatnik has shown time and time again that he has no aptitude for statistical analysis and just harps on the same tired points every time he posts about EVE.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
In excess of 2000 people have canceled...but their time has to run out.
People with time left are loging in to change skills and play out what they paid for, but they have canceled.
Look at cold front, and unless you are blind, there is a drop in the logins, all corolating to the scandal exposure...
BS
Prove it or admit you're pulling numbers out of thin air. Where are you getting "in excess of 2000 players have cancelled" from?
I don't buy it. Makhai alliance is over 300 members... not a single person quit over this. Hydra alliance is over 700 members... again... not a single person left over this.
So out of 1000 players ZERO have left EVE over it, that's a *fact*. I'm not saying NOBODY has left the game... but I'm not buying that 2,000+ have left either. Even if that site is accurate, which I don't think it is,... 2,000 out of 170,000 is peanuts.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
In excess of 2000 people have canceled...but their time has to run out.
People with time left are loging in to change skills and play out what they paid for, but they have canceled.
Look at cold front, and unless you are blind, there is a drop in the logins, all corolating to the scandal exposure...
BS
Prove it or admit you're pulling numbers out of thin air. Where are you getting "in excess of 2000 players have cancelled" from?
look at cold front...
I don't buy it. Makhai alliance is over 300 members... not a single person quit over this. Hydra alliance is over 700 members... again... not a single person left over this.
So out of 1000 players ZERO have left EVE over it, that's a *fact*. I'm not saying NOBODY has left the game... but I'm not buying that 2,000+ have left either. Even if that site is accurate, which I don't think it is,... 2,000 out of 170,000 is peanuts.
Well gee, you didn't quit, nor did your little buddies...so NOBODY has huh, so there is no way that out of over 120k accounts, 2000+ have quit....darwin was right, and you are proof.
Now lets recap some things you omit or choose to ignore;
people pay in advance....but have canceled their subs....
people will login to sort matters until their time runs out, but still have quit.
Just because your group (most likely benefactors of ccp cheats or you are ccp damage control) says it isnt so, won't work for those that can see the nice graphical showing of logins...and odd things such as an artificaly inflated and stable login one day, after ccp discovered a thread about the low numbers on coldfront...but there are still several thousand less a week in the game....so 2000 subs canceled is a conservitive number, I would say there are far more canceled.
Me, I have one last active account, only due to buying gtc's with isk, it is playable for a few more months...haven't paid a dime to ccp since I discovered ccp was in fact in high ranking positions in BoB during the summer (yes, there are spies in BoB too)....gtc's for one account, canceld them all and sold the toons off the other accounts (all legal too, via ccp controlled methods).
Now to ccp's credit, they do seem to feel the heat from those numbers diving so fast, and many *CLICKS* on the cancel button...and have been making changes to the better....but still not enough was done to remove the favoritism shown to their buddies that violated the same rules that got non-bob players banned in the past, and at the same time... (S**m****....still in game, but he violated a rule that has gotten many banned...)...not to mention those that knew they were benefactors of a cheat and exploit that did not get punished...
CCP is learning to put up or STFU when it comes to rules and customer trust relations...they are learning due to those with the PAIR big enough to actual cancel due to principal over the matter, instead of acting like sheep with head shoved up wooly butts (or oblivious to the whole issue).
So as a last suggestion, if you place your hands firmly on both cheeks and push real hard, your head WILL pop out sooner or later.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
The number of players online doesn't tell me so much about subscriber/subscription loss. My questions are, how many of those other 120,000 active accounts that are not logged in are still around (150,000 minus 30,000 = 120,000)? Also, how many subscribers are playing all of those subscriptions online at once? Also, out of those subscribers, how many of them are paying as much or more in real currency, and how many are playing more accounts than they pay for in real currency, because of GTC sales? How many of the people who pay are leaving, as opposed to the people who play without paying using GTCs? You won't get any idea of the ramifications to the game with just the number online.
Think of it this way a typical day is split into 5 timezones this represents the 5 parts of the planet earth as it spins around in a 24 hour period. Now The online subscriber numbers wont stay at 30k in all those timezones [after all EvE is a predomanantly european game]. So here is a rough subsciber number for each part of the 24 hour period.
Zone 1 - 14k
Zone 2 - 16k
Zone 3 - 24k
Zone 4 - 31k
Zone -5 17k
This is all a rough estimate but it should help illistrate the point imabout to make.
Now to work out a rough estimate of how many of the 150k subscribers still play you do the following 14k + 16k + 24k +31k + 17k = 102k
So by that idea the number of peple who are online that day was roughly 102k.
Now where you went wrong was to say ,"oh it says 31k people online so thats all thats been online in one day "[in other words those people have been on 24 hours]. Also another mistake yuo made was not to take into account timezones which leads back to your first mistake.
It's not worth getting into a huge debate with him over, Sepiroth.... Beatnik has shown time and time again that he has no aptitude for statistical analysis and just harps on the same tired points every time he posts about EVE.Yea i know just felt like pointing out the obvious.
Been playing EVE for a year now and even after this 'scandal' I wont quit. Why you might ask?
There is no reason to. The Developers caught the cheating, removed the materials and employees involved and that was that. I can't name one person I know in the game who is quitting because of this.
Some people need to stop taking games so serriously.
BTW! ASCN didn't quit. The only person I know of who quit was CYVOK and thats because he was stupid and logged off with an aggression counter.
(1997) UO --> EQ -> Runescape -> DAoC -> WoW -> EVE + WAR (2008)
Cold Front and EVE are two different games completely. Subscriber numbers keep growing for EVE and many new people have since joined the game. The scandal is MONTHS old. If people were really pissed and quit the game, we would have seen the decline in subscribers much earlier than now.
Look at things from another point. Many people have been caught cheating on WoW (including their own employees). Why doesn't WoW get bashed at all? Oh, thats right. Because small games are much easier to bash then games with over 8million subs. Riiight...ok.
Do you even know what the scandal really was? Contrary to what people think, it was not because of a Tech II BPO being given. Infact, their system deletes Tech II BPOs which are not supposed to be there. So if a BPO was given to a BoB member, it would have been deleted the next day when the system does a scan and the employee found.
The scandal is the fact that it was revealed that CCP employees are in the major alliances (BoB got picked on this one). Wow...Since when was it bad that developers played their own games?
The only real thing people could make a logical argument for leaving for is bugs and glitches as a result of revelations. They are fixing those now.
(1997) UO --> EQ -> Runescape -> DAoC -> WoW -> EVE + WAR (2008)
Good! I'm glad the subscriptions are not going down.
EVE in it's prime was around 34K-35K it's at 32K now...
I'm sure CCP is fixing things, they aren't exactly ones to completely slack off on things. You can check the numbers and server activity on the EVE Homepage.
Bawldy, Cold Front and EVE are two different games completely. Subscriber numbers keep growing for EVE and many new people have since joined the game. The scandal is MONTHS old. If people were really pissed and quit the game, we would have seen the decline in subscribers much earlier than now.
People are still pissed, not so much that they caught a dev cheating, that that ccp covered it up, and left the BPO's in the game for over 6 months, allowed some to violate rules others are banned for....DUHHHHHHHHHH
Look at things from another point. Many people have been caught cheating on WoW (including their own employees). Why doesn't WoW get bashed at all? Oh, thats right. Because small games are much easier to bash then games with over 8million subs. Riiight...ok.
WHY the F look at it any other way then for what it was, a slap in the face to all those that paid for a fair chance to play the game, not to be pawns and targets for a cheat-enabled-group favored by ccp...but if you want to compair CCP to WoW, 120k playerbase vs millions... go for it...
Do you even know what the scandal really was? Contrary to what people think, it was not because of a Tech II BPO being given. Infact, their system deletes Tech II BPOs which are not supposed to be there. So if a BPO was given to a BoB member, it would have been deleted the next day when the system does a scan and the employee found.
Geeeeeee I guess you never read up on the post I've made, nor have you pulled head from ccp ass long enough to get a clue huh....the BPO's were left in the hands of BoB for over 6months...the people are pissed not so much for the cheats, but the way it was handled, and some people allowed to violate rules that got others not in the favor of ccp to be banned permanently...so much for your coverup attempt...
I do know, and KNEW what ccp was doing before June...even said so on these forums...
The scandal is the fact that it was revealed that CCP employees are in the major alliances (BoB got picked on this one). Wow...Since when was it bad that developers played their own games?
head still pucking ccp ass huh...I have said that do need to play...but they do not need to use cheats, exploits, and coverup for those they show favoritism for ....
The only real thing people could make a logical argument for leaving for is bugs and glitches as a result of revelations. They are fixing those now.
Now that you have been slapped with a reality and your misguided flame/spin/ccp-dmg-control attempt has been obliterated, what next....excuss for why it is ok that ccp lied, cheated, covered up the whole thing (still doing so, try to ask on a EO forum why cccp covered up the whole bpo thing for over 6 months while they left those bpos in the hands of BoD and allowed SirMolle and other ccp favored scum to post personal info...the same rule(s) that got others banned for life...
Now ask yourself if YOU have a clue on what the F really happened ....
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
I didn't drop EVE because of the dev/GM scandal. It is somewhat true that EVE encourages scammers, griefers and theft ingame, so why not also among the devs/GM's
Many of us left the game because the dev's seem stuck on this idea that exploration is going to be the new key to
most areas of the game. Mining, missions, invention and a lot of the other new stuffs that came with Revelation.
Invention is broken at this time, there are multiple threads on the forum about that. Salvaging hasn't been fixed until recently,
and it is still a pain in the butt to do it, since it has more or less become the new hot griefing area.
Exploration takes too long time to be of much interest for the casual players, and I could keep writing about this.
EVE IS a nice game, but since they introduced Revelations, they have been unable to make an enjoyable game.
There are too many broken things, and annoying bugs atm, that some of us feel that at the present time is not much fun playing EVE.
We may come back again later, but not until they make a more "stable" build of Revelation.
I kind of agree with some of yourpoints tho they introduce alot of new content regully if it comes out partly broken such as contracts for example it can take a while before the problem is sorted. However i am wondering if yuo are worrying too much about revelations -1 , After all it is only part 1 of 3 and the other parts apparently complete things revelation wise. My advice is to take a short break from eve then return and play eve till sometime after revilations - 3 to see how it goes.
After playing more than 3 years I do know that they introduce new stuff and "nerf" old stuff all the time
It is not the first time I take a break from EVE, but what kicked me into leaving this time ,was the 2 last devblogs from Oveur.
Missions are being nerfed a lot, the lottery is going to be totally replaced by Invention - and Invention is still a broken new feature.
I had a research POS running, and was getting ready to try on Invention, but when I discovered you have to do some serious amount of exploration - that takes ages - I stopped. Being mostly a scientist they killed most of the game for me
To take a break from EVE from time to time is a sound idea, but somehow I doubt I will come back this time.
The numbers will not go down. Some (a fair few) long time players have quit but most people buy 3+ months subscription at a time. Don't underestimate the power of EBAY, those accounts proabably won't go to waste. Some long term players have probably set long skills and may well start playing again once they have cooled off. There is always a high turn over of accounts usually after 8-12 months - people get bored (not hard to do). The publicity has attracted a hell of alot more players ! Alot more people play MMOs (thanks mainly to WoW) and many of them are looking at other games (EVE free trial anyone?) People really don't seem to give a damn if Devs/GMs/players cheat - EVE pretty much encourages that exact behaviour.
I don't have anything against the game and actually like seeing "the little guy" do well in MMO's but this kills me. I understand cheating happens in mmo's but to simply accept that the devs have cheated on multiple occasions and dismiss it as everyone cheats because the system encourages it is exactly why things won't change. If you really care about EVE don't simply let it pass as if its the norm. I've played mmo's where cheating does occur and it's generally not the devs, but once I know its occuring on a large scale thats it for me. Why would I want to play a game that has the playing field slanted in the favor of the people that make the damn game. I know I know its only some of the dev team but the community has stated that multiple devs are in the corp in question.
mm I havent seen anyone quited EvE more like its coming more and more people in thats the trend .. CCP have a good product and,well see, In my base of eve friends it's been talk's about ccp thats one thing but, we are getting more and more players into eve now.
mm I havent seen anyone quited EvE more like its coming more and more people in thats the trend .. CCP have a good product and,well see, In my base of eve friends it's been talk's about ccp thats one thing but, we are getting more and more players into eve now.
oh wow, you didn't see it so it isn't soo huh?
Were you on the moon when we landed there...no..so it did not happen because you did not see it in person...
less and less are logging in....
Many people have resources others do not, and have been reporting to this forum what has been happening...dismiss what you wish...but risk looking like a fool later...
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Well gee, you didn't quit, nor did your little buddies...so NOBODY has huh, so there is no way that out of over 120k accounts, 2000+ have quit....darwin was right, and you are proof.
So you say 2% have left?
That is actually believable, I think I see a very slight decline in the user numbers that are reported at login. Might be 2% or so.
That will not kill EVE, but it should show CCP that they have to watch out for cheating employees. Which is exactly what I hope for. I don't want EVE to die, but I want a level playing field when my char finally reaches a skill level suitable for alliance wars
Well gee, you didn't quit, nor did your little buddies...so NOBODY has huh, so there is no way that out of over 120k accounts, 2000+ have quit....darwin was right, and you are proof.
So you say 2% have left?
That is actually believable, I think I see a very slight decline in the user numbers that are reported at login. Might be 2% or so.
That will not kill EVE, but it should show CCP that they have to watch out for cheating employees. Which is exactly what I hope for. I don't want EVE to die, but I want a level playing field when my char finally reaches a skill level suitable for alliance wars about 2% is what seem to have quit and had no time left to waste....some still have time left and are selling off their stuff beore they can't login (I have time left on gtc and have played just to use it up, gtc from isk)...how many have actualy sen their last login is something only ccp can say (as if they would)
I do agree, 2% will not kill eve, but just 2000 accounts is $360k a year...not a little thing...
ccp is feeling the pain of lost revenue, and do seem to have gotten a clue, but still have yet to handle the non-employee exploit/rule-breaking players issue.
I hope you do get to see a level field...I doubt it will ever happen, but I can hope
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
The whole idea behind the skill system is, "it will be fun later", really doesn't sell. You aren't part of a huge alliance? Too bad. Can't fly a ship worth a damn in a fleet battle until you have been playing a year+, too bad. I mean, this is probably the only MMO I've ever played that you can play AFK.
So to get back to the original point. This game won't be around when any other MMO offers similar PvP without a time based skill system.
I'm not so sure about this. First, I don't think you really have to be around for a long time to have fun or be useful. Sure if you want to be able to fly a titan you will have to put the time in, but that only makes sense. Most MMOs require some sort of time commitment to be good (except for Guild Wars of course ) Anyway, I've only been playing EVE for a little over two weeks now and I don't feel at all handicapped by the system and I am on track to be doing exactly what I want to do. I think it will take me about two months to get there.
Second, and more importantly for me, I think the real time skill progression is genius, especially for someone who does not have a lot of time (grad school ) The fact that I can set a skill in the morning and then later in the day, as it is about to complete, quickly log in so that I can change it then go back to what I was doing makes for a very very pleasant MMO experience. I can see how someone who had a lot of time to play an MMO would want to be rewarded for their time invested, but for me that doesn't jive so I'm glad I have EVE. Also, I think the isk reward of actually playing makes the time put in worth valuable. You don't make $ when you're not working for it (unless you're a trader hehehe )
Yea eve is very good fore those with a life unlike the standard grind games like WoW everquest etc where yuo have to be on a long time just to grind to those usefull levels.
I have been playing EVE from early 2004 & have 4 accounts and I enjoy playing eve ..its not the end all of mmo`s ..when ever a new game comes out I generally drop an account or 2 & go play the other game ..but I always keep 2 accounts training even when I am on another game ...this is the beauty of the skill system ..when I return its like a whole new game as I now can do something I couldn't before ...
The scandal that so many have posted has led into the biggest war in eve history ..that is going to completely rewrite the 00 space map for a long time ..the eve community is taking its anger out on those who benefited by not only the bpo`s but by having gm/dev types playing & holding high lv offices in these corps ..hell bob had game dev`s running there fleet ops ...now you know why they were so successful they are the kings of game mechanics exploits ..
old alliances like LV & ISS and their sister corps have been defeated and are being pushed back to empire ..Fix would have already been defeated if it wasn't for bob constantly coming to there rescue with there cap fleet ...Bob or as many call them now BoD will not be able to continue to fight on 3 fronts ..esp now that lv is decimated & ragoons & friends are running amok in old LV space ..
ccp has made many mistakes & I don't think eve will ever be more than a niche game ..if they ever get to the point were they combine space & land game play like in (SWG) were you can fly around in space & run around in stations & planets then EvE might actually move into the mainstream mmo market ....till then all we have is pew pew
bawldy we know you dont like eve so why dont you just stay off the eve forums here? why interact with a community you obviously dislike?
and changing the perspective doesnt work... 320k is alot... not when compared to 30.6mill
hmm, geeee, "we" as in who? you?
Now show me one place that I said I dislike the game or the community.
I DO have a dislike for the way ccp handles things,by disregarding rules depending on the "buddy" factor, instead of the rules being for all, and enforced on all the same way. I do have issue with anyone that covers up their misdeeds and try to silence those that disclose those misdeeds...all in the name of greed.
So you can "shove" your flame and ponder if it is wise to try and twist and spin facts.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
I have been playing EVE from early 2004 & have 4 accounts and I enjoy playing eve ..its not the end all of mmo`s ..when ever a new game comes out I generally drop an account or 2 & go play the other game ..but I always keep 2 accounts training even when I am on another game ...this is the beauty of the skill system ..when I return its like a whole new game as I now can do something I couldn't before ... The scandal that so many have posted has led into the biggest war in eve history ..that is going to completely rewrite the 00 space map for a long time ..the eve community is taking its anger out on those who benefited by not only the bpo`s but by having gm/dev types playing & holding high lv offices in these corps ..hell bob had game dev`s running there fleet ops ...now you know why they were so successful they are the kings of game mechanics exploits .. old alliances like LV & ISS and their sister corps have been defeated and are being pushed back to empire ..Fix would have already been defeated if it wasn't for bob constantly coming to there rescue with there cap fleet ...Bob or as many call them now BoD will not be able to continue to fight on 3 fronts ..esp now that lv is decimated & ragoons & friends are running amok in old LV space .. ccp has made many mistakes & I don't think eve will ever be more than a niche game ..if they ever get to the point were they combine space & land game play like in (SWG) were you can fly around in space & run around in stations & planets then EvE might actually move into the mainstream mmo market ....till then all we have is pew pew
hmmm, nice post.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
I do agree, 2% will not kill eve, but just 2000 accounts is $360k a year...not a little thing...
2% over how long?
2% in a week, 2% in a month, 2% in a day?
Give it 2 or three months then compare the figures. If there is a dip around "scandal time" you will know.
you can see the drop just by looking at coldfronts stats...stats from ccp. it starts when people started to be informed and escalated when it became disclosed to the public...
and I have to agree, time will tell.
CCP seem to be attempting somethings to change, but still have to enforce the rules on all, even if it means banning/firing those people NOW.
I may resub if they do so, if it expires before the changes, I can always resub...(I have stated this in other post)
lets watch and see.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
i wasnt flaming you thats your own misinterpretation of my post i was asking you a honest question. you are the one who is aggressively counter attacking at everything even when that something isnt an attack against you.
It seems from many of your posts here that you do indeed dislike the community and the game to me it seems quite obvious. I could be wrong but thats the impresion you are giving. and assuming everyone is flaming you is a bit paranoid is it not?
from my point of veiw and observation you have lost your cool and are attacking everyone here almost blindly if they disagree with you or criticize you even if they are doing so calmly and constructively.
At this moment there are 32.132 players online in tranquility I guess the scandal, didnt made people drop EVE, i think that just somme haters are telling they canceled their imaginary accounts. Did you noticed people stoping to play in your corp/alliance? Regards
Kinda a funny aint it. This guy is either wrangler or Keiron. He is comming here to do damage control. Sorry your numbers have always been suspect.
How many of those 32,132 playing accounts are:
Dual or tripple accounts?
Macro farmers:
Better yet how many of those accounts really pay to play? GTC sales are one of the most stupid things CCP ever did.
Comments
Think of it this way a typical day is split into 5 timezones this represents the 5 parts of the planet earth as it spins around in a 24 hour period. Now The online subscriber numbers wont stay at 30k in all those timezones [after all EvE is a predomanantly european game]. So here is a rough subsciber number for each part of the 24 hour period.
Zone 1 - 14k
Zone 2 - 16k
Zone 3 - 24k
Zone 4 - 31k
Zone -5 17k
This is all a rough estimate but it should help illistrate the point imabout to make.
Now to work out a rough estimate of how many of the 150k subscribers still play you do the following 14k + 16k + 24k +31k + 17k = 102k
So by that idea the number of peple who are online that day was roughly 102k.
Now where you went wrong was to say ,"oh it says 31k people online so thats all thats been online in one day "[in other words those people have been on 24 hours]. Also another mistake yuo made was not to take into account timezones which leads back to your first mistake.
It's not worth getting into a huge debate with him over, Sepiroth.... Beatnik has shown time and time again that he has no aptitude for statistical analysis and just harps on the same tired points every time he posts about EVE.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Prove it or admit you're pulling numbers out of thin air. Where are you getting "in excess of 2000 players have cancelled" from?
I don't buy it. Makhai alliance is over 300 members... not a single person quit over this. Hydra alliance is over 700 members... again... not a single person left over this.
So out of 1000 players ZERO have left EVE over it, that's a *fact*. I'm not saying NOBODY has left the game... but I'm not buying that 2,000+ have left either. Even if that site is accurate, which I don't think it is,... 2,000 out of 170,000 is peanuts.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
In response to the origianl question. Yes, my corp and alliance quit. CLS and ASCN. Our forums are gone. We are gone.
Goodbye
Prove it or admit you're pulling numbers out of thin air. Where are you getting "in excess of 2000 players have cancelled" from?
look at cold front... Well gee, you didn't quit, nor did your little buddies...so NOBODY has huh, so there is no way that out of over 120k accounts, 2000+ have quit....darwin was right, and you are proof.
Now lets recap some things you omit or choose to ignore;
- people pay in advance....but have canceled their subs....
- people will login to sort matters until their time runs out, but still have quit.
Just because your group (most likely benefactors of ccp cheats or you are ccp damage control) says it isnt so, won't work for those that can see the nice graphical showing of logins...and odd things such as an artificaly inflated and stable login one day, after ccp discovered a thread about the low numbers on coldfront...but there are still several thousand less a week in the game....so 2000 subs canceled is a conservitive number, I would say there are far more canceled.Me, I have one last active account, only due to buying gtc's with isk, it is playable for a few more months...haven't paid a dime to ccp since I discovered ccp was in fact in high ranking positions in BoB during the summer (yes, there are spies in BoB too)....gtc's for one account, canceld them all and sold the toons off the other accounts (all legal too, via ccp controlled methods).
Now to ccp's credit, they do seem to feel the heat from those numbers diving so fast, and many *CLICKS* on the cancel button...and have been making changes to the better....but still not enough was done to remove the favoritism shown to their buddies that violated the same rules that got non-bob players banned in the past, and at the same time... (S**m****....still in game, but he violated a rule that has gotten many banned...)...not to mention those that knew they were benefactors of a cheat and exploit that did not get punished...
CCP is learning to put up or STFU when it comes to rules and customer trust relations...they are learning due to those with the PAIR big enough to actual cancel due to principal over the matter, instead of acting like sheep with head shoved up wooly butts (or oblivious to the whole issue).
So as a last suggestion, if you place your hands firmly on both cheeks and push real hard, your head WILL pop out sooner or later.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Think of it this way a typical day is split into 5 timezones this represents the 5 parts of the planet earth as it spins around in a 24 hour period. Now The online subscriber numbers wont stay at 30k in all those timezones [after all EvE is a predomanantly european game]. So here is a rough subsciber number for each part of the 24 hour period.
Zone 1 - 14k
Zone 2 - 16k
Zone 3 - 24k
Zone 4 - 31k
Zone -5 17k
This is all a rough estimate but it should help illistrate the point imabout to make.
Now to work out a rough estimate of how many of the 150k subscribers still play you do the following 14k + 16k + 24k +31k + 17k = 102k
So by that idea the number of peple who are online that day was roughly 102k.
Now where you went wrong was to say ,"oh it says 31k people online so thats all thats been online in one day "[in other words those people have been on 24 hours]. Also another mistake yuo made was not to take into account timezones which leads back to your first mistake.
It's not worth getting into a huge debate with him over, Sepiroth.... Beatnik has shown time and time again that he has no aptitude for statistical analysis and just harps on the same tired points every time he posts about EVE.Yea i know just felt like pointing out the obvious.
Been playing EVE for a year now and even after this 'scandal' I wont quit. Why you might ask?
There is no reason to. The Developers caught the cheating, removed the materials and employees involved and that was that. I can't name one person I know in the game who is quitting because of this.
Some people need to stop taking games so serriously.
BTW! ASCN didn't quit. The only person I know of who quit was CYVOK and thats because he was stupid and logged off with an aggression counter.
(1997) UO --> EQ -> Runescape -> DAoC -> WoW -> EVE + WAR (2008)
Bawldy,
Cold Front and EVE are two different games completely. Subscriber numbers keep growing for EVE and many new people have since joined the game. The scandal is MONTHS old. If people were really pissed and quit the game, we would have seen the decline in subscribers much earlier than now.
Look at things from another point. Many people have been caught cheating on WoW (including their own employees). Why doesn't WoW get bashed at all? Oh, thats right. Because small games are much easier to bash then games with over 8million subs. Riiight...ok.
Do you even know what the scandal really was? Contrary to what people think, it was not because of a Tech II BPO being given. Infact, their system deletes Tech II BPOs which are not supposed to be there. So if a BPO was given to a BoB member, it would have been deleted the next day when the system does a scan and the employee found.
The scandal is the fact that it was revealed that CCP employees are in the major alliances (BoB got picked on this one). Wow...Since when was it bad that developers played their own games?
The only real thing people could make a logical argument for leaving for is bugs and glitches as a result of revelations. They are fixing those now.
(1997) UO --> EQ -> Runescape -> DAoC -> WoW -> EVE + WAR (2008)
EVE in it's prime was around 34K-35K it's at 32K now...
I'm sure CCP is fixing things, they aren't exactly ones to completely slack off on things. You can check the numbers and server activity on the EVE Homepage.
It's a lonely universe... bring a radio!
Hope you like crow, you will be eating some this is a eve related coldfront status page...duhhhhhh
Numbers are decreasing now...not increasing...
People are still pissed, not so much that they caught a dev cheating, that that ccp covered it up, and left the BPO's in the game for over 6 months, allowed some to violate rules others are banned for....DUHHHHHHHHHH
WHY the F look at it any other way then for what it was, a slap in the face to all those that paid for a fair chance to play the game, not to be pawns and targets for a cheat-enabled-group favored by ccp...but if you want to compair CCP to WoW, 120k playerbase vs millions... go for it...
Geeeeeee I guess you never read up on the post I've made, nor have you pulled head from ccp ass long enough to get a clue huh....the BPO's were left in the hands of BoB for over 6months...the people are pissed not so much for the cheats, but the way it was handled, and some people allowed to violate rules that got others not in the favor of ccp to be banned permanently...so much for your coverup attempt...
I do know, and KNEW what ccp was doing before June...even said so on these forums...
head still pucking ccp ass huh...I have said that do need to play...but they do not need to use cheats, exploits, and coverup for those they show favoritism for ....
Now that you have been slapped with a reality and your misguided flame/spin/ccp-dmg-control attempt has been obliterated, what next....excuss for why it is ok that ccp lied, cheated, covered up the whole thing (still doing so, try to ask on a EO forum why cccp covered up the whole bpo thing for over 6 months while they left those bpos in the hands of BoD and allowed SirMolle and other ccp favored scum to post personal info...the same rule(s) that got others banned for life...
Now ask yourself if YOU have a clue on what the F really happened ....
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
After playing more than 3 years I do know that they introduce new stuff and "nerf" old stuff all the time
It is not the first time I take a break from EVE, but what kicked me into leaving this time ,was the 2 last devblogs from Oveur.
Missions are being nerfed a lot, the lottery is going to be totally replaced by Invention - and Invention is still a broken new feature.
I had a research POS running, and was getting ready to try on Invention, but when I discovered you have to do some serious amount of exploration - that takes ages - I stopped. Being mostly a scientist they killed most of the game for me
To take a break from EVE from time to time is a sound idea, but somehow I doubt I will come back this time.
Edited for grammer
mm I havent seen anyone quited EvE more like its coming more and more people in thats the trend .. CCP have a good product and,well see, In my base of eve friends it's been talk's about ccp thats one thing but, we are getting more and more players into eve now.
Guides & Trials for EvE Online:
Were you on the moon when we landed there...no..so it did not happen because you did not see it in person...
less and less are logging in....
Many people have resources others do not, and have been reporting to this forum what has been happening...dismiss what you wish...but risk looking like a fool later...
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
That is actually believable, I think I see a very slight decline in the user numbers that are reported at login. Might be 2% or so.
That will not kill EVE, but it should show CCP that they have to watch out for cheating employees. Which is exactly what I hope for. I don't want EVE to die, but I want a level playing field when my char finally reaches a skill level suitable for alliance wars
That is actually believable, I think I see a very slight decline in the user numbers that are reported at login. Might be 2% or so.
That will not kill EVE, but it should show CCP that they have to watch out for cheating employees. Which is exactly what I hope for. I don't want EVE to die, but I want a level playing field when my char finally reaches a skill level suitable for alliance wars
I do agree, 2% will not kill eve, but just 2000 accounts is $360k a year...not a little thing...
ccp is feeling the pain of lost revenue, and do seem to have gotten a clue, but still have yet to handle the non-employee exploit/rule-breaking players issue.
I hope you do get to see a level field...I doubt it will ever happen, but I can hope
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Second, and more importantly for me, I think the real time skill progression is genius, especially for someone who does not have a lot of time (grad school
My 2 cents
2% over how long?
2% in a week, 2% in a month, 2% in a day?
Give it 2 or three months then compare the figures. If there is a dip around "scandal time" you will know.
I have been playing EVE from early 2004 & have 4 accounts and I enjoy playing eve ..its not the end all of mmo`s ..when ever a new game comes out I generally drop an account or 2 & go play the other game ..but I always keep 2 accounts training even when I am on another game ...this is the beauty of the skill system ..when I return its like a whole new game as I now can do something I couldn't before ...
The scandal that so many have posted has led into the biggest war in eve history ..that is going to completely rewrite the 00 space map for a long time ..the eve community is taking its anger out on those who benefited by not only the bpo`s but by having gm/dev types playing & holding high lv offices in these corps ..hell bob had game dev`s running there fleet ops ...now you know why they were so successful they are the kings of game mechanics exploits ..
old alliances like LV & ISS and their sister corps have been defeated and are being pushed back to empire ..Fix would have already been defeated if it wasn't for bob constantly coming to there rescue with there cap fleet ...Bob or as many call them now BoD will not be able to continue to fight on 3 fronts ..esp now that lv is decimated & ragoons & friends are running amok in old LV space ..
ccp has made many mistakes & I don't think eve will ever be more than a niche game ..if they ever get to the point were they combine space & land game play like in (SWG) were you can fly around in space & run around in stations & planets then EvE might actually move into the mainstream mmo market ....till then all we have is pew pew
and changing the perspective doesnt work... 320k is alot... not when compared to 30.6mill
Now show me one place that I said I dislike the game or the community.
I DO have a dislike for the way ccp handles things,by disregarding rules depending on the "buddy" factor, instead of the rules being for all, and enforced on all the same way. I do have issue with anyone that covers up their misdeeds and try to silence those that disclose those misdeeds...all in the name of greed.
So you can "shove" your flame and ponder if it is wise to try and twist and spin facts.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
2% over how long?
2% in a week, 2% in a month, 2% in a day?
Give it 2 or three months then compare the figures. If there is a dip around "scandal time" you will know.
you can see the drop just by looking at coldfronts stats...stats from ccp. it starts when people started to be informed and escalated when it became disclosed to the public...and I have to agree, time will tell.
CCP seem to be attempting somethings to change, but still have to enforce the rules on all, even if it means banning/firing those people NOW.
I may resub if they do so, if it expires before the changes, I can always resub...(I have stated this in other post)
lets watch and see.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
It seems from many of your posts here that you do indeed dislike the community and the game to me it seems quite obvious. I could be wrong but thats the impresion you are giving. and assuming everyone is flaming you is a bit paranoid is it not?
from my point of veiw and observation you have lost your cool and are attacking everyone here almost blindly if they disagree with you or criticize you even if they are doing so calmly and constructively.
Kinda a funny aint it. This guy is either wrangler or Keiron. He is comming here to do damage control. Sorry your numbers have always been suspect.
How many of those 32,132 playing accounts are:
Dual or tripple accounts?
Macro farmers:
Better yet how many of those accounts really pay to play? GTC sales are one of the most stupid things CCP ever did.