$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
For every WAR Vs. WoW thread I'm going to post this, as it reminds me of these kind of topics.
Hahaha good idea! I Weebl ^^
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
WAR lore has been around longer than Warcraft. As a mater of fact Warcraft was based of WAR lore. BUT, They are all virtually rip offs of Tolkien.
It's almost impossible to make something fantasy based these days without seeing Tolkein's influence.WAR, WOW, even D&D are inspired by Tolkien's work, it's true. I think these threads comparing WoW and WAR are funny. It's like saying "a Model T Ford is a Porshe clone".
tolkein stole it from the norse, D&D stole from tolkein, Warhammer stole from D&D, an warcraft stole from Warhammer (an if i ever make an mmo ima steal froom warhammer too lol jk)
currently playing: Guitar Hero, Guitar Hero 2. Waiting for: Warhammer:Age Of Reckoning, A good Star Wars MMO Retired From: WoW 40 Ne Rogue/40 Tauren war/40 BE Hunter, SWG 72 Bothan Medic, CoV 40 DM/Regen stalker, GW 20 W/R 14 E/M 14 W/R, DAoC 20 Vampiir 20 BM 20 BD 20 Thane.
how about a nice tall glass of STFU
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Originally posted by calicojack17
Originally posted by DystopiaBoy
Originally posted by Math_Blaster
Originally posted by tillamook
WAR lore has been around longer than Warcraft. As a mater of fact Warcraft was based of WAR lore. BUT, They are all virtually rip offs of Tolkien.
It's almost impossible to make something fantasy based these days without seeing Tolkein's influence.WAR, WOW, even D&D are inspired by Tolkien's work, it's true. I think these threads comparing WoW and WAR are funny. It's like saying "a Model T Ford is a Porshe clone".
tolkein stole it from the norse, D&D stole from tolkein, Warhammer stole from D&D, an warcraft stole from Warhammer (an if i ever make an mmo ima steal froom warhammer too lol jk)
Actually just to nit pick Tolkein ideas and writing were also influenced from his surroundings too:
Indeed, Tolkein did very much rip from other sources. That's not to say he wasn't a great storywriter, he just didn't create most of the ideas he used.
Case in point, "Gandalf" is an old Norse word for a "elf who uses wands/magic"
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Indeed, Tolkein did very much rip from other sources. That's not to say he wasn't a great storywriter, he just didn't create most of the ideas he used. Case in point, "Gandalf" is an old Norse word for a "elf who uses wands/magic"
The Northern European mythologies are perhaps the best known non-Christian influences on Tolkien. His Elves and Dwarves are by and large based on Norse and related Germanic mythologies.[23] Names such as "Gandalf", "Gimli" and "Middle-earth" are directly derived from Norse mythology. The figure of Gandalf is particularly influenced by the Germanic deity Odin in his incarnation as "the Wanderer", an old man with one eye, a long white beard, a wide brimmed hat, and a staff; Tolkien states that he thinks of Gandalf as an "Odinic wanderer" in a letter of 1946.[4] Specific influences include the Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf.[24]
Tolkien may have also borrowed elements from the Völsungasaga, the Old Norse basis of the later German Nibelungenlied and Richard Wagner's opera series, Der Ring des Nibelungen, also called the Ring Cycle — specifically a magical golden ring and a broken sword which is reforged. In the Völsungasaga, these items are respectively Andvarinaut and Gram, and very broadly correspond to the One Ring and Narsil/Andúril.
First they made a Strategy game, just like blizzard made warcraft 3, and now making an mmorpg based on that strategy games just like warcraft 3 is based on wow? isn't it strange
you need warhammer for dummies...warcraft is games workshops unwanted child....warhammer has the greatest lore of any fantasy or sci-fi setting..warcraft is just a pale imitation.
First they made a Strategy game, just like blizzard made warcraft 3, and now making an mmorpg based on that strategy games just like warcraft 3 is based on wow? isn't it strange
your just a wowbaby ....
and you're here to spy on WAR cuz you're afraid .. you're very afraid
This thread makes me laugh. There will be a ton of people who come from other MMO's and say "WAR copied <insert name of the MMO they are loyal to>". As many of the responses in this thread have already stated, Warhammer has been around for a very long time. I remember playing on the table top at my friends house over 12 years ago. The lore has been around for ages and has always been fun to read and get into. Personally I can only think of a few other MMOs that have had as much lore as WAR (LOTRO and SWG). And why is that? Because their lore existed way before the MMO was developed for them.
People fear what they dont know, and moving from one MMO that they know really well to an MMO that a lot of people are saying will be the best MMO of the year and that they know nothing about, can be shocking and cause all kinds of strange feelings that they may not have experienced in a few years since running 40 man raids every few hours every day tends to consume your time.
I am looking forward to WAR, not just because I think it is going to be an awesome MMO, but because I enjoy the warhammer lore and have for years.
your just a wowbaby .... and you're here to spy on WAR cuz you're afraid .. you're very afraid
Yeah so tired of this. People are too lazy. The fastest way of "getting to know what the game is about" is to go to the forums and post "THIS GAME IS A CLONE". That way you will receive all player feedback. Instead of searching for the information yourself -_- The sad part is that we all care to explain to theese people
$OE lies list http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0 " And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
When WoW first came out I always thought it looked like a WH copy. However, after lots of 'putting it off' I now play WoW and am thouroughly enjoying it.
The funny thing is, I actually think WoW is 'less' similar to WH that I originally thought. While the humour may be quite similar WoW is supposed to be tongue in cheek all the way through. There is very little seriousness to it at all. Everything is over the top and that is good. I play on a PvP server and it's fun almost all the time. Because the game doesn't take itself too seriously players tend not to too. This is what I originally didn't like about it as I prefer the more serious, hardcore kinda game.
When I originally heard of WH I was pretty excited. Even though it was many years ago I gave away all my little metal armies and paints and games, I still love the dark fantasy that WH provides - which, imho, is a world that has yet to be bettered. While you could say that ultiamately it's just a rip of Tolkein I would point out one major difference between LoTR and WH lore - in LoTR there is obvious lines between good and evil. The world, the people are all eseentially good or evil - this is how Tolkien wanted it. This is why PvP in LoTRO added the whole monster thing. The WH world is deliberately vague. The only guaranteed 'evil' is the followers of chaos. All the other races fend for themselves and can't easily be categorised. In the WHFRP world orcs are just another race - though they are normally at war (even with themselves) they often do trade with humns in some of the more frontier lands. WH took a look at the gothic and renaisance Europe and, with the talents of John Blanch, Paul Bonner and many other talented concept artists, created a world that is dark, gritty and believable based upon real architecture, fashios and trends.
what I didn't like about WH was teh direction GW took the franchise about 5 years ago. Everything became brighter, shinier and more 'friendly'. This is what I think WoW resembles most. It wouldn't suprise me if GW kinda veered it's WH fantasy universe to match that of Wow because of it's popularity - who knows.
Regardless of what has happened in the past and who is copying, influencing, plagurising who - the fact still remains. WoW is possible the most successful MMORPG in the west (surpassing what EQ could manage in its prime) and WH has a massive following and a lore that's been refined over the last 25 years.
As long as they keep the dark fantasy edge, AFAIC there is room for both games - and I'll probably play both
Jag Cancer MMORPGer extraordinaire (I would list games, guilds and characters but I would probably end up with a sig violation)
When WoW first came out I always thought it looked like a WH copy. However, after lots of 'putting it off' I now play WoW and am thouroughly enjoying it. The funny thing is, I actually think WoW is 'less' similar to WH that I originally thought. While the humour may be quite similar WoW is supposed to be tongue in cheek all the way through. There is very little seriousness to it at all. Everything is over the top and that is good. I play on a PvP server and it's fun almost all the time. Because the game doesn't take itself too seriously players tend not to too. This is what I originally didn't like about it as I prefer the more serious, hardcore kinda game.
Warcraft used to be a LOT more similar to Warhammer than it is these days. Back when the first Warcraft game was released back in the 90s, the look was allmost a cut-n-paste job of Warhammer.
But up through the years, Blizzard have veered more and more off from the look of Warhammer. Warcraft 3 really mixed things up by making the Orcs into a more peacefull shamanistic race (not to mention, making them stand up straight. No self respecting WH Orc lets his shoulders get beneath his head! )
WoW was the final big leap, where they really altered things, both visually and lorewize to the point where there's very little resemblance left. The "WoW-clone" outcries mostly originate from the fact that the Warhammer Orc (green skins, big jaws) and the Warcraft Orcs still hold a distinc orc image that few other use. Making it Iconic for both settings. Some people are just a bit confused about who created the icon in the first place
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$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
yea it looks like WoW this isn't the first time a game has looked like another. If the gameplay is similar then i wll think diff
-iCeh
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
And for those that demand PRINTED proof that Blizzard may have borrowed a 'few concepts', from Games Workshop, I will do you one better.
Check out the credits for Warcraft 2 and 3. And also check out the credits for Starcraft and Diablo.
www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10
'Nuff said .
tolkein stole it from the norse, D&D stole from tolkein, Warhammer stole from D&D, an warcraft stole from Warhammer (an if i ever make an mmo ima steal froom warhammer too lol jk)
currently playing: Guitar Hero, Guitar Hero 2.
Waiting for: Warhammer:Age Of Reckoning, A good Star Wars MMO
Retired From: WoW 40 Ne Rogue/40 Tauren war/40 BE Hunter, SWG 72 Bothan Medic, CoV 40 DM/Regen stalker, GW 20 W/R 14 E/M 14 W/R, DAoC 20 Vampiir 20 BM 20 BD 20 Thane.
how about a nice tall glass of STFU
tolkein stole it from the norse, D&D stole from tolkein, Warhammer stole from D&D, an warcraft stole from Warhammer (an if i ever make an mmo ima steal froom warhammer too lol jk)
Actually just to nit pick Tolkein ideas and writing were also influenced from his surroundings too:
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/tolkien.bcc
I actually used to like in Kings Heath near to the home when he spent some time :P
Indeed, Tolkein did very much rip from other sources. That's not to say he wasn't a great storywriter, he just didn't create most of the ideas he used.
Case in point, "Gandalf" is an old Norse word for a "elf who uses wands/magic"
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings is a great reference to the influences for Tolkien.
Of interested:
The Northern European mythologies are perhaps the best known non-Christian influences on Tolkien. His Elves and Dwarves are by and large based on Norse and related Germanic mythologies.[23] Names such as "Gandalf", "Gimli" and "Middle-earth" are directly derived from Norse mythology. The figure of Gandalf is particularly influenced by the Germanic deity Odin in his incarnation as "the Wanderer", an old man with one eye, a long white beard, a wide brimmed hat, and a staff; Tolkien states that he thinks of Gandalf as an "Odinic wanderer" in a letter of 1946.[4] Specific influences include the Anglo-Saxon poem Beowulf.[24]
Tolkien may have also borrowed elements from the Völsungasaga, the Old Norse basis of the later German Nibelungenlied and Richard Wagner's opera series, Der Ring des Nibelungen, also called the Ring Cycle — specifically a magical golden ring and a broken sword which is reforged. In the Völsungasaga, these items are respectively Andvarinaut and Gram, and very broadly correspond to the One Ring and Narsil/Andúril.
your just a wowbaby ....
and you're here to spy on WAR cuz you're afraid .. you're very afraid
People fear what they dont know, and moving from one MMO that they know really well to an MMO that a lot of people are saying will be the best MMO of the year and that they know nothing about, can be shocking and cause all kinds of strange feelings that they may not have experienced in a few years since running 40 man raids every few hours every day tends to consume your time.
I am looking forward to WAR, not just because I think it is going to be an awesome MMO, but because I enjoy the warhammer lore and have for years.
$OE lies list
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=424&start=0
"
And I don't want to hear anything about "I don't believe in vampires" because *I* don't believe in vampires, but I believe in my own two eyes, and what *I* saw is ******* vampires! "
When WoW first came out I always thought it looked like a WH copy. However, after lots of 'putting it off' I now play WoW and am thouroughly enjoying it.
The funny thing is, I actually think WoW is 'less' similar to WH that I originally thought. While the humour may be quite similar WoW is supposed to be tongue in cheek all the way through. There is very little seriousness to it at all. Everything is over the top and that is good. I play on a PvP server and it's fun almost all the time. Because the game doesn't take itself too seriously players tend not to too. This is what I originally didn't like about it as I prefer the more serious, hardcore kinda game.
When I originally heard of WH I was pretty excited. Even though it was many years ago I gave away all my little metal armies and paints and games, I still love the dark fantasy that WH provides - which, imho, is a world that has yet to be bettered. While you could say that ultiamately it's just a rip of Tolkein I would point out one major difference between LoTR and WH lore - in LoTR there is obvious lines between good and evil. The world, the people are all eseentially good or evil - this is how Tolkien wanted it. This is why PvP in LoTRO added the whole monster thing. The WH world is deliberately vague. The only guaranteed 'evil' is the followers of chaos. All the other races fend for themselves and can't easily be categorised. In the WHFRP world orcs are just another race - though they are normally at war (even with themselves) they often do trade with humns in some of the more frontier lands. WH took a look at the gothic and renaisance Europe and, with the talents of John Blanch, Paul Bonner and many other talented concept artists, created a world that is dark, gritty and believable based upon real architecture, fashios and trends.
what I didn't like about WH was teh direction GW took the franchise about 5 years ago. Everything became brighter, shinier and more 'friendly'. This is what I think WoW resembles most. It wouldn't suprise me if GW kinda veered it's WH fantasy universe to match that of Wow because of it's popularity - who knows.
Regardless of what has happened in the past and who is copying, influencing, plagurising who - the fact still remains. WoW is possible the most successful MMORPG in the west (surpassing what EQ could manage in its prime) and WH has a massive following and a lore that's been refined over the last 25 years.
As long as they keep the dark fantasy edge, AFAIC there is room for both games - and I'll probably play both
Jag Cancer
MMORPGer extraordinaire
(I would list games, guilds and characters but I would probably end up with a sig violation)
Warcraft used to be a LOT more similar to Warhammer than it is these days. Back when the first Warcraft game was released back in the 90s, the look was allmost a cut-n-paste job of Warhammer.
But up through the years, Blizzard have veered more and more off from the look of Warhammer. Warcraft 3 really mixed things up by making the Orcs into a more peacefull shamanistic race (not to mention, making them stand up straight. No self respecting WH Orc lets his shoulders get beneath his head!
)
WoW was the final big leap, where they really altered things, both visually and lorewize to the point where there's very little resemblance left. The "WoW-clone" outcries mostly originate from the fact that the Warhammer Orc (green skins, big jaws) and the Warcraft Orcs still hold a distinc orc image that few other use. Making it Iconic for both settings. Some people are just a bit confused about who created the icon in the first place