Well, despite the fact that this was done as much as an attempt to retain customers as it was to thank the player base, it was much appreciated by my guildmates who are really enjoying playing Vanguard.
However it did nothing to convince me not to stand by my cancellation order which I put into effect last Monday night....
The more I think about it, I keep wondering who the double xp target was...
I mean, the hardcore VG players don't like it because it seems too easy. People who didn't like the game in the first place weren't convinced because it seemed like a gimmick to retain customers. Those who like double xp will ultimately have to return to the old grind after this weekend so not much will have changed for them in the long run. And yes, even though it is possible Sigil did this for appreciation, the perception is, it looks like a shallow gimmick. And perception is critical when you are in retail.
It would have been best if they just gave everyone a few extra free days. That would have been perceived as a showing of good faith that things will improve.
Well...considering the fact that they launched the game early because they ran out of money, giving a few free days would be costly when applied to 100k subs..in the neighborhood of $50k .
All 70+ of my guild mates seem to be enjoying the extra xp a great deal.
It seems to me to be a fair and COST EFFECTIVE way to give the players pioneering the game some love AND to make up for some xp loss due to earlier bugs.
The casuals love it, because they get a chance to ding a few times when they may have only dinged once.
The hardcore love it because it replaces some xp they may have lost due to crashing in the middle of a raid, spawn..ect. Lag in combat resulting in death...ect.
So are it's been win win for all parties involved.
Originally posted by Thamoris You know ..if the value of the car equals the value of online mmos ...then that care would cost me about $20 and YES ..I would buy it ! I could sell the parts for more than $500 ! doh! Weak dude..very weak comeback. Push yor face in the mud ?! You are talking about an online game ! How is charging someone 10 cents an hour to play a multi million dollar production ...pushing your face in the mud ?? When you got spend $10 to see a movie that is an hour and a half long....90% of the time it totally sucks...and they charge you $8 for popcorn and $5 for a large soda 3/4 ths full of ice...THAT is pushing your face in the mud ! Buying a fancy coffee at Starbucks for $5 ..THAT is pushing your face in the mud. Paying 32 % of my income in taxes only to fatten the pockets of the politicians who could care less about our well being ...THAT is pushing your face in the mud ! Paying 10 cents an hour to play a massive game, deep and involved..that cost millions to produce ..THAT is a great value !
And this is a prime example of why different things shouldn't be compared on equal levels. This thought process is flawed. It's not whether paying 10 cents an hour is better than watching a movie. It comes down to whether the game is worth the $15/month and currently it doesn't seem like it does.
Your examples are biased. I could use say DVDs as a counter example. Buy a $20 DVD movie (which could have a budget well over $100 million) and you can watch it forever and not pay another dime. Surely that's a better entertainment value than VG, right? Heck, even the initial cost of the box is cheaper. "Well, movies get repetitious and boring if you watch it over and over again." And many would argue MMOs are equally repetitious.
So please, no more comparisons. The question should always be: Is VG worth my $50 initial investment and $15/month and all the time I put into it?
But this isn't the main topic of this thread. My personal thought: All the little bonuses right now seem like gimmicks. It would have been much better if Sigil/SOE gave players a few free days.
My logic is not flawed. Ten cents an hour is ten cents an hour. What else can you do in an hour for ten cents? Perhaps sex with your spouse..maybe..but you pay in other ways...lol..trust me on that one. That costs alot more than ten cents an hour in the long run.
By the time a movie makes it to DVD status they have already had their run in the theaters..sucking people dry. The sales the get off DVD is all bonus money. Besides...I hardly call watching the same movie 50x value entertainment...save a very few films that may be good enough to entertain at that level....a very..very few films. Most DVDS are bought..watched a few times and never touched again.
Fifteen dollars a month for an average of 80 hours of gameplay...gameplay that is different each and every time you log in is not comparable to watching the same movie over and over again. THAT movie plays exactly the same...each and every time you watch it. You can watch it a 1000x ..and guess what...its the exact same movie.
Weak...
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
The only thing that is weak is the fact you think positive posts on the game are different to negative ones. I am glad you love VSoH so much, good on you, but I doubt your feeling will last long, the repetitive nature of the game will certainly get to you one way or another when it is mixed with all the bugs/poor animations and lack of innovation in one big stew of salty crapness.
That being said this is a sad marketing gimmick indeed, nothing more, nothing less. If people actually buy into this crap that is their own problem I guess. Sigil don't appreciate the customers, they appreciate money and will do anything to get more of it.
It would have been a sad marketing gimik if they had launched this event LAST weekend , before the free play was up. They did not.
To me..and example of a sad marketing gimmik would more along the lines of what was done with the XBOX and PS3 ( less so with the PS3 ) when limited quantities were allowed on the market to intentionaly drive up demand and gain tons of free publicity. When a store is selling only 100 ipods for .99 cents...first 100 get it..that is an example of a sad marketing gimmik.
In repsonse to a few posts about free time.
I have personaly seen letters SoE has sent a few guildmates that had seriously corrupted accounts which did not allow them to play at all! These people were offered some free time on their accounts as an attempt make up for their downtime.
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.)
02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
Originally posted by Thamoris In repsonse to a few posts about free time. I have personaly seen letters SoE has sent a few guildmates that had seriously corrupted accounts which did not allow them to play at all! These people were offered some free time on their accounts as an attempt make up for their downtime.
Yup, SOE will do that, they do step up and take responsibility when they are responsible for a problem. Obviously, Sigil is responsible for the game condition, I just think they need to step up and take more responsibility.
The one thing that SOE did with the 2 free weeks for EQ 2 subscribers was allow it to be used anytime. So, if you had dropped EQ 2 because you did not like the condition of the game, you could return anytime, even one or two years later, and use your 2 free weeks to use your old account and try it out again. Generally, free trials are not open to current accounts, a cancelled subscriber must create a new account. SOE's marketing was actually pretty good, you could access your old account, play your old characters, and give it another try from where you left off.
Sigil's solution does not address an incentive for returning subscribers. I don't know how many times I have read that people are willing to try this game in another 6 months. Let them try 2 weeks free from their old account. Sigil might be surprised, once they get the bugs worked out, how many will return.
Originally posted by Thamoris In repsonse to a few posts about free time. I have personaly seen letters SoE has sent a few guildmates that had seriously corrupted accounts which did not allow them to play at all! These people were offered some free time on their accounts as an attempt make up for their downtime.
Yup, SOE will do that, they do step up and take responsibility when they are responsible for a problem. Obviously, Sigil is responsible for the game condition, I just think they need to step up and take more responsibility.
The one thing that SOE did with the 2 free weeks for EQ 2 subscribers was allow it to be used anytime. So, if you had dropped EQ 2 because you did not like the condition of the game, you could return anytime, even one or two years later, and use your 2 free weeks to use your old account and try it out again. Generally, free trials are not open to current accounts, a cancelled subscriber must create a new account. SOE's marketing was actually pretty good, you could access your old account, play your old characters, and give it another try from where you left off.
Sigil's solution does not address an incentive for returning subscribers. I don't know how many times I have read that people are willing to try this game in another 6 months. Let them try 2 weeks free from their old account. Sigil might be surprised, once they get the bugs worked out, how many will return.
I think that is exactly what they intend to do.
They know and have readily admitted that the game is still in a final beta stage. Once they have any major bugs worked out , I can forsee a free trial type thing to be rolled out.
I can understand the fact that they want to make sure they put their best foot forward. I would not be suprised at all if we see a free trial in time for the summer rush...it would seem like a reasonable time table. At their current pace of bug squashing...they will be ready by then too !
Originally posted by Thamoris You know ..if the value of the car equals the value of online mmos ...then that care would cost me about $20 and YES ..I would buy it ! I could sell the parts for more than $500 ! doh! Weak dude..very weak comeback. Push yor face in the mud ?! You are talking about an online game ! How is charging someone 10 cents an hour to play a multi million dollar production ...pushing your face in the mud ?? When you got spend $10 to see a movie that is an hour and a half long....90% of the time it totally sucks...and they charge you $8 for popcorn and $5 for a large soda 3/4 ths full of ice...THAT is pushing your face in the mud ! Buying a fancy coffee at Starbucks for $5 ..THAT is pushing your face in the mud. Paying 32 % of my income in taxes only to fatten the pockets of the politicians who could care less about our well being ...THAT is pushing your face in the mud ! Paying 10 cents an hour to play a massive game, deep and involved..that cost millions to produce ..THAT is a great value !
And this is a prime example of why different things shouldn't be compared on equal levels. This thought process is flawed. It's not whether paying 10 cents an hour is better than watching a movie. It comes down to whether the game is worth the $15/month and currently it doesn't seem like it does.
Your examples are biased. I could use say DVDs as a counter example. Buy a $20 DVD movie (which could have a budget well over $100 million) and you can watch it forever and not pay another dime. Surely that's a better entertainment value than VG, right? Heck, even the initial cost of the box is cheaper. "Well, movies get repetitious and boring if you watch it over and over again." And many would argue MMOs are equally repetitious.
So please, no more comparisons. The question should always be: Is VG worth my $50 initial investment and $15/month and all the time I put into it?
But this isn't the main topic of this thread. My personal thought: All the little bonuses right now seem like gimmicks. It would have been much better if Sigil/SOE gave players a few free days.
For that matter, using Thamoris' circle logic, masturbation is a better bargain than MMORPGs. Maybe we have an new idea for a circle of fanboi MMORPG'ers here?
This was a low blow..( no pun intended ) and a desparate one at that.
I will argue though...that many will use free porn off the internet to enhance their " pleasure time "....considering that as part of the formula...masturbation would still cost more. The malware and viruses which run amok on such sites will cost you both time and money to clean from your system ( so a friend told me once )
If one does not take advantage of such sites....then..ok..you got me. Masterbation is indeed a better value than Vanguard. BUSTED...ok? happy ? I'll give you that one...good grief
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
And to think the Big 3 were offering only rebates on new car purchases, when all the customer base really wanted was a vanity license plate bracket that gave them a title, and coupon for a free oil change. Yes, the average American consumer is always looking to strike a hard bargain, holding out for substantive incentives. Look, right now I can walk into a store and purchase the original WOW for $19.99, which includes a "free" $15 monthly subscription. That's called a marketing incentive to grab subsciber base, and compared to Vanguards $49.99 is very substantive. What I would like to see from Sigil is something along the lines of, "We understand our first month of launch was rocky, and, as a way to show our appreciating to our customer base, we wish to offer all of you that subscribed prior to March 1st an additional two weeks free. In the upcoming two weeks we intend to introduce more content, fixes and performance upgrades, that we believe will put the game further along the right track, and with these improvements you will be convinced that Vanguard is a game worth staying with." Instead, we get a cheap marketing hype trick.
I came to the conclusion that Sigil would have to pay SoE to do this; they are only hiring the servers, CS and so forth. Probably means that they feel they cannot afford to do so.
Actually, SOE has provided financial support, programmers, and designers to help Sigil out so far. All it would mean is that Sigil gets a little further in debt to SOE. 2 additional free weeks of play is not unheard of to SOE, they did it in EQ 2 just post launch to compensate people for launch problems and a server rollback. It is a very feasible solution for a company that desires to maintain customer goodwill, and thereby subscriptions. If Sigil management is thinking of short term desperation cashflow, they are harming their long term customer relations.
100% agree that it is a feasible solution etc. The fact that Sigil launched early was a sign that short term cashflow was a stronger drive than long term customer satisfaction. Hence my conclusion that they feel they cannot afford to do so.
Like you I assume that Sony would provide the money but obviously the cost is to high for Sigil.
Originally posted by Thamoris No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity. Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly. If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush. Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
If losing levels and xp, missing items, server crashes, group forming issues on a group centric game, invisible mobs resulting in lost loot, memory leaks that lock your computer and other bugs aren't game breaking, your definition and my definition is completely different. And I argue the majority of the players who played VG have encountered at least one if not more of these bugs. Yes, Sigil has been working on them so they are not as prevalent but they are still there.
Sigil's admission of mismanagement and mistakes do not concern the general consumer. The average consumer only wants a good product. In fact, companies who make excuses only cause consumers to get upset because it reveals a lack of responsibility.
Double XP was a short term gimmick. It seems Sigil still does not have the foresight to look at the long term. They had 5 years and around $30 million to produce this game and the general consensus is, as well as Sigil basically admitting the fact, VG did not meet expectations and wasted a lot of time and resources. I am not saying VG is utter crap but the game does not look like it took 5 years and $30 million to make.
If Sigil was concerned about the long term, they should have given free days. Notice how other companies when they make a blunder offer full refunds and exchanges? They do it to present a good public image and are willing to suffer financially in order to do so because they think in the long term. Companies try to lure long term customers and do everything they can to retain them. Double XP only pleased the completely loyal VG consumer. Sigil already had them (although it also upset the hardcore loyal VG customer). Even if they didn't offer Double XP, those players would have stayed. It solved nothing other than generate more bad press with gimmicky quick fix solutions.
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Well the $30.00 a month has killed the game for me, account cancelled, and the fact
that the game runs very poorly, and there is not to many ppl playing, so this makes me
think investing alot of time into this game is not going to worth it, but I wish everyone
the best of having fun and will check back in 6 mos. and see if it still alive.
again, $30.00 a month, you got to be kidding..........
I am paying about $12 a month with a 3 month commitment.
You are refering to the sony station pass deal. That is an optional subscription that allows you to play all the SoE games online as well as some other stat keeping type features.
Well the $30.00 a month has killed the game for me, account cancelled, and the fact
that the game runs very poorly, and there is not to many ppl playing, so this makes me
think investing alot of time into this game is not going to worth it, but I wish everyone
the best of having fun and will check back in 6 mos. and see if it still alive.
again, $30.00 a month, you got to be kidding..........
I am paying about $12 a month with a 3 month commitment.
You are refering to the sony station pass deal. That is an optional subscription that allows you to play all the SoE games online as well as some other stat keeping type features.
Yur not very detail oriented...are ya?
You are correct Sir, this is my first time as a SOE member and first *cough* real mmo, just came
from GW, maybe you can answer some questions for me?????
I thought the access pass was suppose to allow me to play other PC on-line games, but there are
only a handfull for the PC, and the big ones like EQ, EQ2, Planetside, all require a monthly fee???
They had a trial period but they were not free as far as I could tell ????
So it appears to me that I only really get Vanguard to play ??? along with the fancy stat tracker
which is pretty cool I must say.
A $12.00 a month fee is very reasonable, I might have to go home and think about that for a bit.
Well the $30.00 a month has killed the game for me, account cancelled, and the fact
that the game runs very poorly, and there is not to many ppl playing, so this makes me
think investing alot of time into this game is not going to worth it, but I wish everyone
the best of having fun and will check back in 6 mos. and see if it still alive.
again, $30.00 a month, you got to be kidding..........
I am paying about $12 a month with a 3 month commitment.
You are refering to the sony station pass deal. That is an optional subscription that allows you to play all the SoE games online as well as some other stat keeping type features.
Yur not very detail oriented...are ya?
You are correct Sir, this is my first time as a SOE member and first *cough* real mmo, just came
from GW, maybe you can answer some questions for me?????
I thought the access pass was suppose to allow me to play other PC on-line games, but there are
only a handfull for the PC, and the big ones like EQ, EQ2, Planetside, all require a monthly fee???
They had a trial period but they were not free as far as I could tell ????
So it appears to me that I only really get Vanguard to play ??? along with the fancy stat tracker
which is pretty cool I must say.
A $12.00 a month fee is very reasonable, I might have to go home and think about that for a bit.
thx for any info.......
It is my understanding that you can play any game SoE publishes...Eq1, Eq2, Matrix, Vanguard, Planet Side...and some others I forget off the top of my head. I do not know if you can just play one at a time or any and all whenever you want as I have not looked too deeply into it.
Vanguard is the only game I need and simply would not have time to play anything else effectively anyways.
Thx for responding to my questions, much thx, now I am wondering, while here at work, I cancelled my Station pass account, not sure if that cancelled my Vanguard account or not ?????
Trying to surf the web behind a Unix firewall on old versions of mozilla sux.......
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Of course I'm playing the game, I said so in my post you idiot. My guildmates would be amused by your hypothoses on the state of this game. We find far too many bugs for a game one month into release. Many of these bugs confirmed in beta and never fixed and still not fixed. There are plenty of quest and content related bugs on top of the technical issues that many are experiencing. Please show me the exact details where 80 percent or the "Vast Majority" of the bugs have been squashed since release. I've seen mainly content additions, but very few actual fixes. Each to their own I suppose, but I hate seeing people lie about things like this. The game has issues and lots of them and more than a few are worse than cosmetic in nature. Problems don't have to be game breaking to cause people to quit. When you pay for something, no matter how cheap, the last thing you want is to be annoyed by your purchase.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I logged into VSoH the other day to see if any bugs or performance issues had been fixed, I only found that my missing chest armour had been placed in my backpack and my chest graphic had been fixed, other than that everything was still the same, disapearing mobs, gitchy mobs, poor animation, average performance.
Vanguard 95% bug free at the end of April? bahaha
By June it will be too late, even if the game was 100% bug free it is still needs to fix the actual grinding gameplay we are seeing.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Of course I'm playing the game, I said so in my post you idiot. My guildmates would be amused by your hypothoses on the state of this game. We find far too many bugs for a game one month into release. Many of these bugs confirmed in beta and never fixed and still not fixed. There are plenty of quest and content related bugs on top of the technical issues that many are experiencing. Please show me the exact details where 80 percent or the "Vast Majority" of the bugs have been squashed since release. I've seen mainly content additions, but very few actual fixes. Each to their own I suppose, but I hate seeing people lie about things like this. The game has issues and lots of them and more than a few are worse than cosmetic in nature. Problems don't have to be game breaking to cause people to quit. When you pay for something, no matter how cheap, the last thing you want is to be annoyed by your purchase.
You are a rather abrasive little fellow aren't ya !?
Where in your post does it state you are still playing Vanguard ? hmmm? where? ..I'm looking and I have not seen any statement to fact that you are still playing Vanuard. You said you are running into bugs all the time...when? ...last week? ...three weeks ago? ...when? why? where? how?...hmmmm? No need for name calling either. It shows an immature state of mind.
I'm in your guild and I love you man but you're being a little bit disingenuous here. There are people in our own guild, myself included, that are having serious problems with this game. I myself have lost levels and characters to bugs as well as crashing and not being able to login for 2 hours or more. We've had people login dead or login with a different look or missing inventory. You know this. Saying that the vast majority of bugs are fixed is a little misleading. Claiming that anybody having problems with graphics or lag is an idiot that doesn't know how to set up and run their computer is a little insulting. It's also something that I've never heard you say to any of our guild members. I find it insulting because I've been running and setting up computers for over 20 years. My system exceeds the recommended specs and yet I still have problems. Am I what you would consider an idiot because I have problems with this game? It's not my system I can assure you of that. It's the game.
Not trying to embarass you here but let's get all the facts out there. Anything less does a huge disservice to the gaming community. Vanguard has some huge problems and not admitting that fact just makes you look dumb. Costwise you say Vanguard costs .10 cents an hour. Well so does WoW, EQ2, SWG etc. and with the exception of SWG all of those games are "finished" and "polished". You say that Vanguard has much potential and I agree with you on that. I like the game and it does have potential but we're not paying for potential. We're paying for what was supposed to be a ready for prime time game. We got charged full price and have a right to expect a game that is actually more fun to play than it is frustrating. If all we are paying for is potential then let SOE-Sigil charge $7.50 per month until it meets that potential.
I guess my post will probably make me persona non grata in the guild but so be it. There's just no reason to deny the facts. Vanguard has major problems and the longer it takes Sigil to solve and correct those problems the less of a playerbase it's going to have. Denying those problems actually exist will not make them go away. Painting a rosy picture only does a huge disservice to the gaming community and makes the Vanguard community look bad when they deny the problems. Again I'm not trying to embarass you but I just want to set the record straight.
Here's a fact: a game that is 50% complete, and 80% bug free is still absurdly broken. Can you even imagine the state this game would be in if all the features that were promised had actually made it to release? I shudder at the mere thought of it.
After ignoring this topic for several days, I decided I'd take a gander at it, and it's just remarkable.
This is the ONLY game I've ever seen where people who have technical problems, CTD's, in-game issues, and mini-character rollbacks are called idiots and liars by their fellow players. It's disgusting, it really is. It's one thing to flame a guy for asking if there's an online fee, or why his integrated graphics card can't run any games (as requirements are on the box, and it says there's a fee) but the constant damnation of people who express their displeasure with bugs is mind-numbing,
I wish people would stop attacking their fellow players. If you're going to attack someone, attack the Sigil dev team for having their priorities ass-backwards.
(STILL waiting for the default graphics to be tweaked)
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I wish people would stop attacking their fellow players. If you're going to attack someone, attack the Sigil dev team for having their priorities ass-backwards.
Seriously, instead of looking at the game with rose colored glasses, the fans should pressure Sigil to get things fixed and open up lines of communication. I'm sure Sigil is loving the fans who are sitting around handing them $15/month waiting for "potential."
If you are a fan of the game, pressure Sigil for fixes and for communication. You don't have to threaten to quit the game but being vocal will make them respond.
I wish people would stop attacking their fellow players. If you're going to attack someone, attack the Sigil dev team for having their priorities ass-backwards.
Seriously, instead of looking at the game with rose colored glasses, the fans should pressure Sigil to get things fixed and open up lines of communication. I'm sure Sigil is loving the fans who are sitting around handing them $15/month waiting for "potential."
If you are a fan of the game, pressure Sigil for fixes and for communication. You don't have to threaten to quit the game but being vocal will make them respond.
I agree, all the VSoH forums are like this, the fans are too busy fighting "haters" trying to tell us that the game is fine.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
Vanguard Character Issue.
Discussion Thread
Response (Sr. Tech Eric R.) 02/07/2007 01:18 PM
Greetings,
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers! Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
And after reading this, don't you think it would have been much better for VG to do this for everyone?
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Of course I'm playing the game, I said so in my post you idiot. My guildmates would be amused by your hypothoses on the state of this game. We find far too many bugs for a game one month into release. Many of these bugs confirmed in beta and never fixed and still not fixed. There are plenty of quest and content related bugs on top of the technical issues that many are experiencing. Please show me the exact details where 80 percent or the "Vast Majority" of the bugs have been squashed since release. I've seen mainly content additions, but very few actual fixes. Each to their own I suppose, but I hate seeing people lie about things like this. The game has issues and lots of them and more than a few are worse than cosmetic in nature. Problems don't have to be game breaking to cause people to quit. When you pay for something, no matter how cheap, the last thing you want is to be annoyed by your purchase.
You are a rather abrasive little fellow aren't ya !?
Where in your post does it state you are still playing Vanguard ? hmmm? where? ..I'm looking and I have not seen any statement to fact that you are still playing Vanuard. You said you are running into bugs all the time...when? ...last week? ...three weeks ago? ...when? why? where? how?...hmmmm? No need for name calling either. It shows an immature state of mind.
Thamoris, you truly are blind and more than a bit stupid. You are so wrapped up in your smugness, you can't see the trees for the forest. Here, since you lack reading skills and reading comprehension, I'll copy and paste from my original post and bold it up to help you see.
"I don't know what game you're playing, but I am constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates."
Does that help you understand that I am still playing the game. I hope you can recognize the tense of the sentence, its called present progressive, as in currently happening and ongoing into the future. I haven't seen you give any specific dates in order to confirm that you're not some lying troll. As if giving dates would confirm anything, I would need to see your credit charge before I believe the likes of you. Abrasive, you would completely understand the meaning of that word, wouldn't you.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Comments
I mean, the hardcore VG players don't like it because it seems too easy. People who didn't like the game in the first place weren't convinced because it seemed like a gimmick to retain customers. Those who like double xp will ultimately have to return to the old grind after this weekend so not much will have changed for them in the long run. And yes, even though it is possible Sigil did this for appreciation, the perception is, it looks like a shallow gimmick. And perception is critical when you are in retail.
It would have been best if they just gave everyone a few extra free days. That would have been perceived as a showing of good faith that things will improve.
Well...considering the fact that they launched the game early because they ran out of money, giving a few free days would be costly when applied to 100k subs..in the neighborhood of $50k .
All 70+ of my guild mates seem to be enjoying the extra xp a great deal.
It seems to me to be a fair and COST EFFECTIVE way to give the players pioneering the game some love AND to make up for some xp loss due to earlier bugs.
The casuals love it, because they get a chance to ding a few times when they may have only dinged once.
The hardcore love it because it replaces some xp they may have lost due to crashing in the middle of a raid, spawn..ect. Lag in combat resulting in death...ect.
So are it's been win win for all parties involved.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
Your examples are biased. I could use say DVDs as a counter example. Buy a $20 DVD movie (which could have a budget well over $100 million) and you can watch it forever and not pay another dime. Surely that's a better entertainment value than VG, right? Heck, even the initial cost of the box is cheaper. "Well, movies get repetitious and boring if you watch it over and over again." And many would argue MMOs are equally repetitious.
So please, no more comparisons. The question should always be: Is VG worth my $50 initial investment and $15/month and all the time I put into it?
But this isn't the main topic of this thread. My personal thought: All the little bonuses right now seem like gimmicks. It would have been much better if Sigil/SOE gave players a few free days.
My logic is not flawed. Ten cents an hour is ten cents an hour. What else can you do in an hour for ten cents? Perhaps sex with your spouse..maybe..but you pay in other ways...lol..trust me on that one. That costs alot more than ten cents an hour in the long run.
By the time a movie makes it to DVD status they have already had their run in the theaters..sucking people dry. The sales the get off DVD is all bonus money. Besides...I hardly call watching the same movie 50x value entertainment...save a very few films that may be good enough to entertain at that level....a very..very few films. Most DVDS are bought..watched a few times and never touched again.
Fifteen dollars a month for an average of 80 hours of gameplay...gameplay that is different each and every time you log in is not comparable to watching the same movie over and over again. THAT movie plays exactly the same...each and every time you watch it. You can watch it a 1000x ..and guess what...its the exact same movie.
Weak...
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
The only thing that is weak is the fact you think positive posts on the game are different to negative ones. I am glad you love VSoH so much, good on you, but I doubt your feeling will last long, the repetitive nature of the game will certainly get to you one way or another when it is mixed with all the bugs/poor animations and lack of innovation in one big stew of salty crapness.
That being said this is a sad marketing gimmick indeed, nothing more, nothing less. If people actually buy into this crap that is their own problem I guess. Sigil don't appreciate the customers, they appreciate money and will do anything to get more of it.
It would have been a sad marketing gimik if they had launched this event LAST weekend , before the free play was up. They did not.
To me..and example of a sad marketing gimmik would more along the lines of what was done with the XBOX and PS3 ( less so with the PS3 ) when limited quantities were allowed on the market to intentionaly drive up demand and gain tons of free publicity. When a store is selling only 100 ipods for .99 cents...first 100 get it..that is an example of a sad marketing gimmik.
In repsonse to a few posts about free time.
I have personaly seen letters SoE has sent a few guildmates that had seriously corrupted accounts which did not allow them to play at all! These people were offered some free time on their accounts as an attempt make up for their downtime.
I cut and paste a letter sent to a guildmate who was having game stopping issues
I've tested your account and was able to verify that your account is in fact bugged. Our developers are using your account as an example to locate this huge bug. I cannot provide you a specific time when your account will be fixed however, I can assure your that it will be resolved as soon as possible. Once the bug has been fixed, I'll personally extend your playing time to compensate for the lost time. Sorry again for the inconvenience.
They do appreciate and are trying their best to take care of their customers!
Play Vanguard!
The game that sucks less than the rest!
Yup, SOE will do that, they do step up and take responsibility when they are responsible for a problem. Obviously, Sigil is responsible for the game condition, I just think they need to step up and take more responsibility.
The one thing that SOE did with the 2 free weeks for EQ 2 subscribers was allow it to be used anytime. So, if you had dropped EQ 2 because you did not like the condition of the game, you could return anytime, even one or two years later, and use your 2 free weeks to use your old account and try it out again. Generally, free trials are not open to current accounts, a cancelled subscriber must create a new account. SOE's marketing was actually pretty good, you could access your old account, play your old characters, and give it another try from where you left off.
Sigil's solution does not address an incentive for returning subscribers. I don't know how many times I have read that people are willing to try this game in another 6 months. Let them try 2 weeks free from their old account. Sigil might be surprised, once they get the bugs worked out, how many will return.
Yup, SOE will do that, they do step up and take responsibility when they are responsible for a problem. Obviously, Sigil is responsible for the game condition, I just think they need to step up and take more responsibility.
The one thing that SOE did with the 2 free weeks for EQ 2 subscribers was allow it to be used anytime. So, if you had dropped EQ 2 because you did not like the condition of the game, you could return anytime, even one or two years later, and use your 2 free weeks to use your old account and try it out again. Generally, free trials are not open to current accounts, a cancelled subscriber must create a new account. SOE's marketing was actually pretty good, you could access your old account, play your old characters, and give it another try from where you left off.
Sigil's solution does not address an incentive for returning subscribers. I don't know how many times I have read that people are willing to try this game in another 6 months. Let them try 2 weeks free from their old account. Sigil might be surprised, once they get the bugs worked out, how many will return.
I think that is exactly what they intend to do.
They know and have readily admitted that the game is still in a final beta stage. Once they have any major bugs worked out , I can forsee a free trial type thing to be rolled out.
I can understand the fact that they want to make sure they put their best foot forward. I would not be suprised at all if we see a free trial in time for the summer rush...it would seem like a reasonable time table. At their current pace of bug squashing...they will be ready by then too !
Your examples are biased. I could use say DVDs as a counter example. Buy a $20 DVD movie (which could have a budget well over $100 million) and you can watch it forever and not pay another dime. Surely that's a better entertainment value than VG, right? Heck, even the initial cost of the box is cheaper. "Well, movies get repetitious and boring if you watch it over and over again." And many would argue MMOs are equally repetitious.
So please, no more comparisons. The question should always be: Is VG worth my $50 initial investment and $15/month and all the time I put into it?
But this isn't the main topic of this thread. My personal thought: All the little bonuses right now seem like gimmicks. It would have been much better if Sigil/SOE gave players a few free days.
For that matter, using Thamoris' circle logic, masturbation is a better bargain than MMORPGs. Maybe we have an new idea for a circle of fanboi MMORPG'ers here?
This was a low blow..( no pun intended ) and a desparate one at that.
I will argue though...that many will use free porn off the internet to enhance their " pleasure time "....considering that as part of the formula...masturbation would still cost more. The malware and viruses which run amok on such sites will cost you both time and money to clean from your system ( so a friend told me once
)
If one does not take advantage of such sites....then..ok..you got me. Masterbation is indeed a better value than Vanguard. BUSTED...ok? happy ? I'll give you that one...good grief
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
Actually, SOE has provided financial support, programmers, and designers to help Sigil out so far. All it would mean is that Sigil gets a little further in debt to SOE. 2 additional free weeks of play is not unheard of to SOE, they did it in EQ 2 just post launch to compensate people for launch problems and a server rollback. It is a very feasible solution for a company that desires to maintain customer goodwill, and thereby subscriptions. If Sigil management is thinking of short term desperation cashflow, they are harming their long term customer relations.
100% agree that it is a feasible solution etc. The fact that Sigil launched early was a sign that short term cashflow was a stronger drive than long term customer satisfaction. Hence my conclusion that they feel they cannot afford to do so.
Like you I assume that Sony would provide the money but obviously the cost is to high for Sigil.
Sigil's admission of mismanagement and mistakes do not concern the general consumer. The average consumer only wants a good product. In fact, companies who make excuses only cause consumers to get upset because it reveals a lack of responsibility.
Double XP was a short term gimmick. It seems Sigil still does not have the foresight to look at the long term. They had 5 years and around $30 million to produce this game and the general consensus is, as well as Sigil basically admitting the fact, VG did not meet expectations and wasted a lot of time and resources. I am not saying VG is utter crap but the game does not look like it took 5 years and $30 million to make.
If Sigil was concerned about the long term, they should have given free days. Notice how other companies when they make a blunder offer full refunds and exchanges? They do it to present a good public image and are willing to suffer financially in order to do so because they think in the long term. Companies try to lure long term customers and do everything they can to retain them. Double XP only pleased the completely loyal VG consumer. Sigil already had them (although it also upset the hardcore loyal VG customer). Even if they didn't offer Double XP, those players would have stayed. It solved nothing other than generate more bad press with gimmicky quick fix solutions.
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
that the game runs very poorly, and there is not to many ppl playing, so this makes me
think investing alot of time into this game is not going to worth it, but I wish everyone
the best of having fun and will check back in 6 mos. and see if it still alive.
again, $30.00 a month, you got to be kidding..........
I am paying about $12 a month with a 3 month commitment.
You are refering to the sony station pass deal. That is an optional subscription that allows you to play all the SoE games online as well as some other stat keeping type features.
Yur not very detail oriented...are ya?
I am paying about $12 a month with a 3 month commitment.
You are refering to the sony station pass deal. That is an optional subscription that allows you to play all the SoE games online as well as some other stat keeping type features.
Yur not very detail oriented...are ya?
You are correct Sir, this is my first time as a SOE member and first *cough* real mmo, just came
from GW, maybe you can answer some questions for me?????
I thought the access pass was suppose to allow me to play other PC on-line games, but there are
only a handfull for the PC, and the big ones like EQ, EQ2, Planetside, all require a monthly fee???
They had a trial period but they were not free as far as I could tell ????
So it appears to me that I only really get Vanguard to play ??? along with the fancy stat tracker
which is pretty cool I must say.
A $12.00 a month fee is very reasonable, I might have to go home and think about that for a bit.
thx for any info.......
I am paying about $12 a month with a 3 month commitment.
You are refering to the sony station pass deal. That is an optional subscription that allows you to play all the SoE games online as well as some other stat keeping type features.
Yur not very detail oriented...are ya?
You are correct Sir, this is my first time as a SOE member and first *cough* real mmo, just came
from GW, maybe you can answer some questions for me?????
I thought the access pass was suppose to allow me to play other PC on-line games, but there are
only a handfull for the PC, and the big ones like EQ, EQ2, Planetside, all require a monthly fee???
They had a trial period but they were not free as far as I could tell ????
So it appears to me that I only really get Vanguard to play ??? along with the fancy stat tracker
which is pretty cool I must say.
A $12.00 a month fee is very reasonable, I might have to go home and think about that for a bit.
thx for any info.......
It is my understanding that you can play any game SoE publishes...Eq1, Eq2, Matrix, Vanguard, Planet Side...and some others I forget off the top of my head. I do not know if you can just play one at a time or any and all whenever you want as I have not looked too deeply into it.
Vanguard is the only game I need and simply would not have time to play anything else effectively anyways.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
Thx for responding to my questions, much thx, now I am wondering, while here at
work, I cancelled my Station pass account, not sure if that cancelled my
Vanguard account or not ?????
Trying to surf the web behind a Unix firewall on old versions of mozilla
sux.......
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Of course I'm playing the game, I said so in my post you idiot. My guildmates would be amused by your hypothoses on the state of this game. We find far too many bugs for a game one month into release. Many of these bugs confirmed in beta and never fixed and still not fixed. There are plenty of quest and content related bugs on top of the technical issues that many are experiencing. Please show me the exact details where 80 percent or the "Vast Majority" of the bugs have been squashed since release. I've seen mainly content additions, but very few actual fixes. Each to their own I suppose, but I hate seeing people lie about things like this. The game has issues and lots of them and more than a few are worse than cosmetic in nature. Problems don't have to be game breaking to cause people to quit. When you pay for something, no matter how cheap, the last thing you want is to be annoyed by your purchase.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I logged into VSoH the other day to see if any bugs or performance issues had been fixed, I only found that my missing chest armour had been placed in my backpack and my chest graphic had been fixed, other than that everything was still the same, disapearing mobs, gitchy mobs, poor animation, average performance.
Vanguard 95% bug free at the end of April? bahaha
By June it will be too late, even if the game was 100% bug free it is still needs to fix the actual grinding gameplay we are seeing.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Of course I'm playing the game, I said so in my post you idiot. My guildmates would be amused by your hypothoses on the state of this game. We find far too many bugs for a game one month into release. Many of these bugs confirmed in beta and never fixed and still not fixed. There are plenty of quest and content related bugs on top of the technical issues that many are experiencing. Please show me the exact details where 80 percent or the "Vast Majority" of the bugs have been squashed since release. I've seen mainly content additions, but very few actual fixes. Each to their own I suppose, but I hate seeing people lie about things like this. The game has issues and lots of them and more than a few are worse than cosmetic in nature. Problems don't have to be game breaking to cause people to quit. When you pay for something, no matter how cheap, the last thing you want is to be annoyed by your purchase.
You are a rather abrasive little fellow aren't ya !?
Where in your post does it state you are still playing Vanguard ? hmmm? where? ..I'm looking and I have not seen any statement to fact that you are still playing Vanuard. You said you are running into bugs all the time...when? ...last week? ...three weeks ago? ...when? why? where? how?...hmmmm? No need for name calling either. It shows an immature state of mind.
Thamoris:
I'm in your guild and I love you man but you're being a little bit disingenuous here. There are people in our own guild, myself included, that are having serious problems with this game. I myself have lost levels and characters to bugs as well as crashing and not being able to login for 2 hours or more. We've had people login dead or login with a different look or missing inventory. You know this. Saying that the vast majority of bugs are fixed is a little misleading. Claiming that anybody having problems with graphics or lag is an idiot that doesn't know how to set up and run their computer is a little insulting. It's also something that I've never heard you say to any of our guild members. I find it insulting because I've been running and setting up computers for over 20 years. My system exceeds the recommended specs and yet I still have problems. Am I what you would consider an idiot because I have problems with this game? It's not my system I can assure you of that. It's the game.
Not trying to embarass you here but let's get all the facts out there. Anything less does a huge disservice to the gaming community. Vanguard has some huge problems and not admitting that fact just makes you look dumb. Costwise you say Vanguard costs .10 cents an hour. Well so does WoW, EQ2, SWG etc. and with the exception of SWG all of those games are "finished" and "polished". You say that Vanguard has much potential and I agree with you on that. I like the game and it does have potential but we're not paying for potential. We're paying for what was supposed to be a ready for prime time game. We got charged full price and have a right to expect a game that is actually more fun to play than it is frustrating. If all we are paying for is potential then let SOE-Sigil charge $7.50 per month until it meets that potential.
I guess my post will probably make me persona non grata in the guild but so be it. There's just no reason to deny the facts. Vanguard has major problems and the longer it takes Sigil to solve and correct those problems the less of a playerbase it's going to have. Denying those problems actually exist will not make them go away. Painting a rosy picture only does a huge disservice to the gaming community and makes the Vanguard community look bad when they deny the problems. Again I'm not trying to embarass you but I just want to set the record straight.
Thorik
Here's a fact: a game that is 50% complete, and 80% bug free is still absurdly broken. Can you even imagine the state this game would be in if all the features that were promised had actually made it to release? I shudder at the mere thought of it.
After ignoring this topic for several days, I decided I'd take a gander at it, and it's just remarkable.
This is the ONLY game I've ever seen where people who have technical problems, CTD's, in-game issues, and mini-character rollbacks are called idiots and liars by their fellow players. It's disgusting, it really is. It's one thing to flame a guy for asking if there's an online fee, or why his integrated graphics card can't run any games (as requirements are on the box, and it says there's a fee) but the constant damnation of people who express their displeasure with bugs is mind-numbing,
I wish people would stop attacking their fellow players. If you're going to attack someone, attack the Sigil dev team for having their priorities ass-backwards.
(STILL waiting for the default graphics to be tweaked)
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
If you are a fan of the game, pressure Sigil for fixes and for communication. You don't have to threaten to quit the game but being vocal will make them respond.
If you are a fan of the game, pressure Sigil for fixes and for communication. You don't have to threaten to quit the game but being vocal will make them respond.
I agree, all the VSoH forums are like this, the fans are too busy fighting "haters" trying to tell us that the game is fine.
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
As I said earlier, it's not always about tangible rewards but perception. If rewards seem like a gimmick then even though it may be good, will incite bad publicity. I mean, had VG just said they'd provide a few free days for everyone, do you think people would be complaining as much? Try to look at the issue from all sides.
And if VG can't provide a few free days due to financial reasons, then they should fold up and close the game right now. 1-2 weeks of added free days will not break any MMO that has a reasonable subscriber base. Any game that's sitting on the edge that badly will cave no matter what.
No...I don't think they should do this for everyone. A vast majority of issues are NOT game breaking...simply annoying at worst . A VAST MAJORITY of them have been fixed or at least greatly reduced in severity.
Since they launced early due to the fact that they ran out of money I don't think they should do this on a massive scale.. Sigil even admited some mismanagement and mistakes were made during the development process which cost them alot of money to handle. They need all the money they can get right now to finish polishing the game up and they are doing just that...and quickly.
If they keep up the pace they have been going at...Vanguard will be 95% bug free by the end of April. It is currently at about 80% .....which is up from the 60% at launch. Those numbers are made up....simply to give perspective to the progress being made. I suspect one will find a free trial type thing by June...in time for the summer rush.
Play Vanguard !
The game that sucks less than the rest !
I'd like to know where you get these numbers other than out of your ass. Can you please clarify and show proof of this "Vast Majoirty" crap you keep spewing? I don't know what game you are playing, but I'm constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates. I'm giving this game a chance and trying my darndest to remain positive, but in the face of all that has gone on since launch, its very hard to do. Add onto that, these ridiculous claims by the Vangaurd diehards and it makes me question the sanity of some of Vanguard's player base. The game has problems and lots of them. Stop trying to sugar coat the truth. There is a difference between being of a positive mind and just plain lying.
The term...vast majority ...is based on my personal experience of playing 2-8 hours a day ..everyday..over the past two months +. It is a generalized term used in an effort to avoid writing a book online.
To put it into perspective...if there were 100 bugs at launch...80 of them have been fixed and are no longer in the game. That would indicate that a " vast majority " of the bugs have been fixed.
This taking into consideration performance issues, cosmetic issues and questing issues. The biggest gains have been in the areas of questing with moderate gains in performance and cosmetic arenas.
Are you playing Vanguard? if not...then you sir are the talking out of your ass.
Of course I'm playing the game, I said so in my post you idiot. My guildmates would be amused by your hypothoses on the state of this game. We find far too many bugs for a game one month into release. Many of these bugs confirmed in beta and never fixed and still not fixed. There are plenty of quest and content related bugs on top of the technical issues that many are experiencing. Please show me the exact details where 80 percent or the "Vast Majority" of the bugs have been squashed since release. I've seen mainly content additions, but very few actual fixes. Each to their own I suppose, but I hate seeing people lie about things like this. The game has issues and lots of them and more than a few are worse than cosmetic in nature. Problems don't have to be game breaking to cause people to quit. When you pay for something, no matter how cheap, the last thing you want is to be annoyed by your purchase.
You are a rather abrasive little fellow aren't ya !?
Where in your post does it state you are still playing Vanguard ? hmmm? where? ..I'm looking and I have not seen any statement to fact that you are still playing Vanuard. You said you are running into bugs all the time...when? ...last week? ...three weeks ago? ...when? why? where? how?...hmmmm? No need for name calling either. It shows an immature state of mind.
Thamoris, you truly are blind and more than a bit stupid. You are so wrapped up in your smugness, you can't see the trees for the forest. Here, since you lack reading skills and reading comprehension, I'll copy and paste from my original post and bold it up to help you see.
"I don't know what game you're playing, but I am constantly running into bugs, both technical and content based and so are a lot of my online friends and guildmates."
Does that help you understand that I am still playing the game. I hope you can recognize the tense of the sentence, its called present progressive, as in currently happening and ongoing into the future. I haven't seen you give any specific dates in order to confirm that you're not some lying troll. As if giving dates would confirm anything, I would need to see your credit charge before I believe the likes of you. Abrasive, you would completely understand the meaning of that word, wouldn't you.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal