Brad is simply doing damage control/pr spin, the same thing he has been doing for about a year now. Ive only followed the game for around 2 years but i dont think he has changed his mantra in that time. He has placed much too much emphasis on group play,death consequences, and "meaningful travel". He was overly confident that he could find some middle ground that would appeal to everyone from hardcore to casual and everyone in between.
The game didnt release to rave reviews because he and his team blew it, period. They had 5 years and millions of dollars to put this out. For him to say it was released early and in his mind about 80% where they wanted it at release is comical. The game devs obviously arent as good as they thought,brad isnt the gaming messiah,eq1 was right place at right time,not vision, and vanguard was obviously mismanaged.
So who do you blame when you release an inferior product over budget and past deadline? Oh yeah its the players fault for not giving it a chance.
Eh, I'm a game player. I have boxes for EQ2, WoW, DDO, DAoC, CoX, Guild Wars, Vanguard, even SWG. I have an account in every domestic MMO there is. Even a few of the Asian ones. I am truly infatuated with MMOs. Even the poorly designed, or executed ones, if only from a forensic standpoint. I enjoy them for the possibilities they contain, and for what they could one day become, when the technology allowing us to interface in a more direct way is as readily available as a mouse and keyboard.
Hehe, I'm the same way. I have often played an MMO that left a bad taste in my mouth, simply to see what potential might lay hidden in it's dark corners. Even though I tend to be a somewhat anti-social "solo-artist", I just can't seem to enjoy the single player games anymore. I think it has something to do with the pacing of these games, and the generally wide open worlds that beg to be explored.
Please- where's the lie? Go look at Silky Venom- they did a count, and came up with the number I gave. And I still don't understand why you're so defensive, but I guess all Vanguard fans are. Take a look at the 'official' forum and you see plenty of it. Everyone is so touchy. I guess it's like talking to fans who's team just lost the World Series- the truth hurts, and causes an instinctive defensive reaction.
As far as go play it..just logged out about 2-3 hours ago, and yes, it's still a bland, uninspired experience that offers nothing that other games don't do better. Nothing has improved at all that I can see. You still die to unseen mobs when you cross a chunk line, you still get stuck immobile in the middle of open fields, mobs and NPCs are still walking backwards all over, and most of all- it's still no fun, and no challenge. It just takes forever to do anything- there's no more complexity than any other game. The first 10 level are fun with a new class, then it just turns to garbage.
To each their own- but don't try to make it out like Vanguard is popular. It isn't. Well over half the people who tried it rejected it (not scientific, just going by people I know/my guild/forums everywhere). So Fariic, go vent your fanboi angst on someone else. If you like it, fine, just have the guts to admit you're a very vocal, very small minority.
I've been on Silky Venom off and on today; as I am most days, and just like I am on this site. Usually I make stops in while I'm resting my arm, nerve dmg sucks. Silky Venom is a rather large forum site.
Could please post for me the thread on Silky Venom were someone from Sigil confirmed the number of subs. that VG has active at the moment?
I don't get defensive about VG. I could care less if you like, dislike, or just find the game ok. unfortunate for you, and a few others, this is the forum I presently browse; so if I come across a post with half truths, lies, and misleading statements in them I feel, that as a fan of the game, I will do my part to inform those that may be checking these forums out for a feel of the game that they get acurate, truthful information in regard to the game. If I was frequenting the WoW forums I would do the same if I saw someone posting lies; the same would go for the lineage 2 forums, or any game that I play.
Don't make it out that VG is popular? This isn't a popularity contest. I never saw any post from a dev at Sigil stating that they aimed to dethrown WoW as the top dog. VG doesn't have to be popular by your standards, it's only got to get out of black and turn a profit.
What can I say, I'm just a fanboi...of VG, WoW, CoH, Lineage 2, Auto Assualt, and a varity of other MMO's; hell, pc gaming in general. This just happens to be the forum I browse; unlucky for you.
Nice to see the CEO of Sigil posting here. I don't envy you, but good job with VG; I'm enjoying my time in Telon. Just wondering, any plans to add some cosmetic animations to the players. They could use a little livening up.
I'm sorry, but Brad is NOT a 'capable' game designer. He absolutely refuses to learn anything from any other game's successes or failures. He has demonstrated that he must re-invent the wheel with every problem that comes along, even those problems that have been encountered and addressed by other games.
Face it, Brad got lucky with EQ. He was tenacious in his Vision and got the first 3D MMOG out the door. And make no mistake, people played it because it was 3D and because PvP was optional. There is nothing else in Brad's Vision that makes for a lasting, worthwhile game. I doubt if many of the people who still play EQ would be doing so if Brad hadn't left and allowed more competent designers to shape his creation into something more competitive with other MMOGs.
the fact alone that there is NO solo content past level 15 (unless you spend your time grinding mobs 100% exclusively) makes it impossible to label this game "casual"
I find it funny that long leveling and that very little solo content makes it a "broken game".
What about "as designed?"
anyways... back in game.
The leveling is not slow unless you are comparing it to WoW standards...then perhaps it is.
There are people near the level cap already...I wish they WOULD slow it down a bit more.
Add the the leveling ( adventure side ) equation ... you gain attribute points ever 25% of level...making for a sorta " mini ding "..a nice feature that helps break up the leveling process with small rewards along the way.
You can solo the entire game ...I don't think this poster knows what he/she is talking about...or has a terrible point of reference.
Vanguard is 10% ish group content....over 60% ish solo content. This poster can't be more worng.
brad isn't spinning anything into his favor, it's you guys that are spinning his words into your favor, all i ever heard during beta was the fact that vg was going to be catered to all players casual/core/and hardcore, now i'm more in the casual category and solo most of the time and i don't have any issues soloing when i do take a break from crafting/diplo to adventure(and i'm a paladin). it's been known a long time now that the content in vanguard was going to be 20% solo, 60% group, and 20% raid. now right now it may not add up to that but as he said in his post this is one of those things they need to tweak. I found nothing in this post that contradicted anything he stated in the past. What some of you may consider a contradiction is more than likely a misconception on your part. Again just like most of the posts so far in this thread you guys spin everything to fit your view whether it has any factual base or not.
Yes this guy is definately one of Brads "viral marketers"
brad isn't spinning anything into his favor, it's you guys that are spinning his words into your favor, all i ever heard during beta was the fact that vg was going to be catered to all players casual/core/and hardcore, now i'm more in the casual category and solo most of the time and i don't have any issues soloing when i do take a break from crafting/diplo to adventure(and i'm a paladin). it's been known a long time now that the content in vanguard was going to be 20% solo, 60% group, and 20% raid. now right now it may not add up to that but as he said in his post this is one of those things they need to tweak. I found nothing in this post that contradicted anything he stated in the past. What some of you may consider a contradiction is more than likely a misconception on your part. Again just like most of the posts so far in this thread you guys spin everything to fit your view whether it has any factual base or not.
Yes this guy is definately one of Brads "viral marketers"
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Does anyone else find it curious that Brad is posting on the FOH 'Guild' web site? Considering that there are actual “Vanguard Guard Fan Sites” that he could have just as easily posted in. I’m not going to split hairs over where he wants to post, its just more of the ‘side glances and head shaking’, I have about the whole Vanguard experience.
On the one hand, it's like he's just a guy posting where he likes to socialize - and yet, why doesn't he at least cut&paste his post over to at least one affiliated fan site or something? I think it's because he's thin-skinned, and only wants to post where he feels safe. Yeah, he'll get flamed, and his pride and joy is treated like dirt out here in the barrens of mmorpg.com, but such is life, especially life on teh interweb.. but I think he doesn't deal with that so well.
Does anyone else find it curious that Brad is posting on the FOH 'Guild' web site? Considering that there are actual “Vanguard Guard Fan Sites” that he could have just as easily posted in. I’m not going to split hairs over where he wants to post, its just more of the ‘side glances and head shaking’, I have about the whole Vanguard experience.
On the one hand, it's like he's just a guy posting where he likes to socialize - and yet, why doesn't he at least cut&paste his post over to at least one affiliated fan site or something? I think it's because he's thin-skinned, and only wants to post where he feels safe. Yeah, he'll get flamed, and his pride and joy is treated like dirt out here in the barrens of mmorpg.com, but such is life, especially life on teh interweb.. but I think he doesn't deal with that so well.
You do realize his posts are linked through silky venoms Dev tracker ?
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Does anyone else find it curious that Brad is posting on the FOH 'Guild' web site? Considering that there are actual “Vanguard Guard Fan Sites” that he could have just as easily posted in. I’m not going to split hairs over where he wants to post, its just more of the ‘side glances and head shaking’, I have about the whole Vanguard experience.
On the one hand, it's like he's just a guy posting where he likes to socialize - and yet, why doesn't he at least cut&paste his post over to at least one affiliated fan site or something? I think it's because he's thin-skinned, and only wants to post where he feels safe. Yeah, he'll get flamed, and his pride and joy is treated like dirt out here in the barrens of mmorpg.com, but such is life, especially life on teh interweb.. but I think he doesn't deal with that so well.
Well, actually Brad is posting everywhere.
He has also posted here on mmorpg.com during these past 2 days.
jeez... where to begin... The fact that he is posting and to such an extent shows the desperation... no matter how many times he says 'sales are great' it is always followed by a a big fat but... 'we could have done better'... etc. Free month quitters must have been enormous... You can read a lot into what he leaves out of his novella post... the people who played it - tried to like it - and ended up being dissapointed in almost every way... never mind the bugs. I don't blame him for leaving it out - I would have too. I like the fact that he says WOW is a great game - he is right. I tried to like his game but, for me, it is just to drab, bug filled and mediocre. I have nothing aginast those who love Van - whatever butters your muffin - plenty to go around. I hope it survives and improves and lasts a long time. I don't imagine I would ever try it again but who knows.
I concur. Desperation is what I felt, as well. I don't have any agenda to see this game fail. I would love to see this game succeed. I just think Brad is in a no win situation. It seems like he is retreating from his original position on how he wanted to see the game play out but is now trying to cater to casuals in order to bring in more subscriptions.
Originally posted by erinys the fact alone that there is NO solo content past level 15 (unless you spend your time grinding mobs 100% exclusively) makes it impossible to label this game "casual"
See, it's stupid posts like this that make me defend the game. Because they're patently false, and provably so.
At level 18, both my paladin, and shaman have more quests available to them in the areas they are in than they can accept. my paladin has one or two out of 20 quests that would be deemed duo or group quests as they involve killing 3 dots. I have soloed 3 dot mobs in the past with the pally, but haven't played him in some weeks, so don't know if I still could.
The shaman has a handfull of group quests that I picked up for the dungeon that is about 20 seconds, if that, from the quest hub. Everything else, except for one quest, because the mobs chain stun, is soloable.
And this is just counting quests in each characters immediate area. If I included other areas outside of where I am at, I'd need a questlog that could hold 100s of quests, not just 20.
Kojan, on the other hand, is probably pretty sparse for content after 15. But Kojan as a whole shouldn't even be in the game at this point, if you ask me. It was the last continent worked on, and compared to the other two, it shows. Badly. They should have just focused on the two main continents, and added Kojan later as free content with one of their update patches.
brad isn't spinning anything into his favor, it's you guys that are spinning his words into your favor, all i ever heard during beta was the fact that vg was going to be catered to all players casual/core/and hardcore, now i'm more in the casual category and solo most of the time and i don't have any issues soloing when i do take a break from crafting/diplo to adventure(and i'm a paladin). it's been known a long time now that the content in vanguard was going to be 20% solo, 60% group, and 20% raid. now right now it may not add up to that but as he said in his post this is one of those things they need to tweak. I found nothing in this post that contradicted anything he stated in the past. What some of you may consider a contradiction is more than likely a misconception on your part. Again just like most of the posts so far in this thread you guys spin everything to fit your view whether it has any factual base or not.
Yes this guy is definately one of Brads "viral marketers"
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Incorrect. Viral marketers are paid to say the things that they do.
There are companies who employ people to create personas on message boards, pretending to be normal gamers who like whatever game they are being paid to push. In most cases, these people are fed their talking points and don't play the game any more than what they need to familiarize themselves with it.
It is a wholly dishonest way to promote your product, but it is pretty much the norm. Most game companies do it to some extent because it is comparatively cheap.
Originally posted by Hexxeity Originally posted by Grim11 Originally posted by Deviate Originally posted by Kcissem brad isn't spinning anything into his favor, it's you guys that are spinning his words into your favor, all i ever heard during beta was the fact that vg was going to be catered to all players casual/core/and hardcore, now i'm more in the casual category and solo most of the time and i don't have any issues soloing when i do take a break from crafting/diplo to adventure(and i'm a paladin). it's been known a long time now that the content in vanguard was going to be 20% solo, 60% group, and 20% raid. now right now it may not add up to that but as he said in his post this is one of those things they need to tweak. I found nothing in this post that contradicted anything he stated in the past. What some of you may consider a contradiction is more than likely a misconception on your part. Again just like most of the posts so far in this thread you guys spin everything to fit your view whether it has any factual base or not.
Yes this guy is definately one of Brads "viral marketers"
Yes and so am I. All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums. You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world. I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Incorrect. Viral marketers are paid to say the things that they do.
There are companies who employ people to create personas on message boards, pretending to be normal gamers who like whatever game they are being paid to push. In most cases, these people are fed their talking points and don't play the game any more than what they need to familiarize themselves with it.
It is a wholly dishonest way to promote your product, but it is pretty much the norm. Most game companies do it to some extent because it is comparatively cheap.
Incorrect yourself. Stealth marketing is the practice of using paid posters to work forums, or a blog, with the express purpose of promoting the companies product or service.
Viral marketing is something else. The little text blurb with a link back to the site that's added on to any email you send using a free email service? That's viral marketing.
the fact alone that there is NO solo content past level 15 (unless you spend your time grinding mobs 100% exclusively) makes it impossible to label this game "casual"
See, it's stupid posts like this that make me defend the game. Because they're patently false, and provably so.
At level 18, both my paladin, and shaman have more quests available to them in the areas they are in than they can accept. my paladin has one or two out of 20 quests that would be deemed duo or group quests as they involve killing 3 dots. I have soloed 3 dot mobs in the past with the pally, but haven't played him in some weeks, so don't know if I still could.
The shaman has a handfull of group quests that I picked up for the dungeon that is about 20 seconds, if that, from the quest hub. Everything else, except for one quest, because the mobs chain stun, is soloable.
And this is just counting quests in each characters immediate area. If I included other areas outside of where I am at, I'd need a questlog that could hold 100s of quests, not just 20.
Kojan, on the other hand, is probably pretty sparse for content after 15. But Kojan as a whole shouldn't even be in the game at this point, if you ask me. It was the last continent worked on, and compared to the other two, it shows. Badly. They should have just focused on the two main continents, and added Kojan later as free content with one of their update patches.
Yep Coldmeat nailed it. Who says you are not able to solo post 15? I have done plenty of solo stuff all over central Thestra. There are so many quest in that area you can do solo.
brad isn't spinning anything into his favor, it's you guys that are spinning his words into your favor, all i ever heard during beta was the fact that vg was going to be catered to all players casual/core/and hardcore, now i'm more in the casual category and solo most of the time and i don't have any issues soloing when i do take a break from crafting/diplo to adventure(and i'm a paladin). it's been known a long time now that the content in vanguard was going to be 20% solo, 60% group, and 20% raid. now right now it may not add up to that but as he said in his post this is one of those things they need to tweak. I found nothing in this post that contradicted anything he stated in the past. What some of you may consider a contradiction is more than likely a misconception on your part. Again just like most of the posts so far in this thread you guys spin everything to fit your view whether it has any factual base or not.
Yes this guy is definately one of Brads "viral marketers"
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Incorrect. Viral marketers are paid to say the things that they do.
There are companies who employ people to create personas on message boards, pretending to be normal gamers who like whatever game they are being paid to push. In most cases, these people are fed their talking points and don't play the game any more than what they need to familiarize themselves with it.
It is a wholly dishonest way to promote your product, but it is pretty much the norm. Most game companies do it to some extent because it is comparatively cheap.
Incorrect yourself. Stealth marketing is the practice of using paid posters to work forums, or a blog, with the express purpose of promoting the companies product or service.
Viral marketing is something else. The little text blurb with a link back to the site that's added on to any email you send using a free email service? That's viral marketing.
Nice try. Stealth marketing is a subset of viral marketing, although it does happen to be the subset we were talking about.
From an interview with key EQ personnel after the Vision(TM) had left the building many, many years ago...
"These guys *do* play EQ. A lot. Many different classes, many different levels. In fact, a lot of the current team were people who played the game when the old guard was in place, which is partially why we've seen so many sweeping changes to the Vision (TM) in the past year or so. Many of the same things that frustrated us as players in the early days frustrated the current team as well, which is why you see things like soul binders and fast modes of transportation being introduced. It wasn't a case of 'Brad is gone, now we can screw around with the game;' it's a matter of 'What aggravated us as players and how can we make the game more fun?'"
Fast modes of transportation? Better methods for corpse retrieval? Making the game more fun?
Was this posted yesterday or four years ago?
Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it.
Funny that he did not mentioned the 4th group of players that are either not playing or leaving after the free trial. Those would be the players that Sigil left behind when they made VSOH more casual freindly. Alot of people jumped ship in the last year when the forced CRs were removed along with other elements of the orginal "vision". The attempt to make VSoH a game that appeals to all gamers is its biggest failure. You make a game for a specific gaming audiense and see it through to the end. The problem as I see it, is what Brad defined as the "core gamer" when the project first started, is now definded as a hardcore gamer by todays standards. The genre and customer base is de-evolving before our eyes.
From an interview with key EQ personnel after the Vision(TM) had left the building many, many years ago... "These guys *do* play EQ. A lot. Many different classes, many different levels. In fact, a lot of the current team were people who played the game when the old guard was in place, which is partially why we've seen so many sweeping changes to the Vision (TM) in the past year or so. Many of the same things that frustrated us as players in the early days frustrated the current team as well, which is why you see things like soul binders and fast modes of transportation being introduced. It wasn't a case of 'Brad is gone, now we can screw around with the game;' it's a matter of 'What aggravated us as players and how can we make the game more fun?'" Fast modes of transportation? Better methods for corpse retrieval? Making the game more fun? Was this posted yesterday or four years ago?
Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it.
What kills me, is for a lot of players, the agreviation and frustration is what enhanced the difficulty of the game, added the challenge. So when you overcame the frustration and completed something difficult in game, you really felt a sense of accomplishment, and that was fun.
Working to overcome obstacles, even tedioum, was one of the challenges that make games fun IMO, and what is lacking in current MMOs.
Originally posted by Hexxeity Nice try. Stealth marketing is a subset of viral marketing, although it does happen to be the subset we were talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketingThanks for playing.
So if you say you are talking about stealth marketing, then why not call it that? Unless you're just trying to muddy the waters so you can spin what was originally said by McQuaid as a negative thing.
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Brad is simply doing damage control/pr spin, the same thing he has been doing for about a year now. Ive only followed the game for around 2 years but i dont think he has changed his mantra in that time. He has placed much too much emphasis on group play,death consequences, and "meaningful travel". He was overly confident that he could find some middle ground that would appeal to everyone from hardcore to casual and everyone in between.
The game didnt release to rave reviews because he and his team blew it, period. They had 5 years and millions of dollars to put this out. For him to say it was released early and in his mind about 80% where they wanted it at release is comical. The game devs obviously arent as good as they thought,brad isnt the gaming messiah,eq1 was right place at right time,not vision, and vanguard was obviously mismanaged.
So who do you blame when you release an inferior product over budget and past deadline? Oh yeah its the players fault for not giving it a chance
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Hehe, I'm the same way. I have often played an MMO that left a bad taste in my mouth, simply to see what potential might lay hidden in it's dark corners. Even though I tend to be a somewhat anti-social "solo-artist", I just can't seem to enjoy the single player games anymore. I think it has something to do with the pacing of these games, and the generally wide open worlds that beg to be explored.
I've been on Silky Venom off and on today; as I am most days, and just like I am on this site. Usually I make stops in while I'm resting my arm, nerve dmg sucks. Silky Venom is a rather large forum site.
Could please post for me the thread on Silky Venom were someone from Sigil confirmed the number of subs. that VG has active at the moment?
I don't get defensive about VG. I could care less if you like, dislike, or just find the game ok. unfortunate for you, and a few others, this is the forum I presently browse; so if I come across a post with half truths, lies, and misleading statements in them I feel, that as a fan of the game, I will do my part to inform those that may be checking these forums out for a feel of the game that they get acurate, truthful information in regard to the game. If I was frequenting the WoW forums I would do the same if I saw someone posting lies; the same would go for the lineage 2 forums, or any game that I play.
Don't make it out that VG is popular? This isn't a popularity contest. I never saw any post from a dev at Sigil stating that they aimed to dethrown WoW as the top dog. VG doesn't have to be popular by your standards, it's only got to get out of black and turn a profit.
What can I say, I'm just a fanboi...of VG, WoW, CoH, Lineage 2, Auto Assualt, and a varity of other MMO's; hell, pc gaming in general. This just happens to be the forum I browse; unlucky for you.
Nice to see the CEO of Sigil posting here. I don't envy you, but good job with VG; I'm enjoying my time in Telon. Just wondering, any plans to add some cosmetic animations to the players. They could use a little livening up.
I'm sorry, but Brad is NOT a 'capable' game designer. He absolutely refuses to learn anything from any other game's successes or failures. He has demonstrated that he must re-invent the wheel with every problem that comes along, even those problems that have been encountered and addressed by other games.
Face it, Brad got lucky with EQ. He was tenacious in his Vision and got the first 3D MMOG out the door. And make no mistake, people played it because it was 3D and because PvP was optional. There is nothing else in Brad's Vision that makes for a lasting, worthwhile game. I doubt if many of the people who still play EQ would be doing so if Brad hadn't left and allowed more competent designers to shape his creation into something more competitive with other MMOGs.
What about "as designed?"
anyways... back in game.
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the fact alone that there is NO solo content past level 15 (unless you spend your time grinding mobs 100% exclusively) makes it impossible to label this game "casual"
I guess you could only consider it broken if Sigil claimed that leveling took short periods of time and there was a lot of solo content.
However neither of those things targets casual players and it has been stated that the game was designed to be for everyone not only the hardcore.
The leveling is not slow unless you are comparing it to WoW standards...then perhaps it is.
There are people near the level cap already...I wish they WOULD slow it down a bit more.
Add the the leveling ( adventure side ) equation ... you gain attribute points ever 25% of level...making for a sorta " mini ding "..a nice feature that helps break up the leveling process with small rewards along the way.
You can solo the entire game ...I don't think this poster knows what he/she is talking about...or has a terrible point of reference.
Vanguard is 10% ish group content....over 60% ish solo content. This poster can't be more worng.
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
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On the one hand, it's like he's just a guy posting where he likes to socialize - and yet, why doesn't he at least cut&paste his post over to at least one affiliated fan site or something? I think it's because he's thin-skinned, and only wants to post where he feels safe. Yeah, he'll get flamed, and his pride and joy is treated like dirt out here in the barrens of mmorpg.com, but such is life, especially life on teh interweb.. but I think he doesn't deal with that so well.
You do realize his posts are linked through silky venoms Dev tracker ?On the one hand, it's like he's just a guy posting where he likes to socialize - and yet, why doesn't he at least cut&paste his post over to at least one affiliated fan site or something? I think it's because he's thin-skinned, and only wants to post where he feels safe. Yeah, he'll get flamed, and his pride and joy is treated like dirt out here in the barrens of mmorpg.com, but such is life, especially life on teh interweb.. but I think he doesn't deal with that so well.
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On the one hand, it's like he's just a guy posting where he likes to socialize - and yet, why doesn't he at least cut&paste his post over to at least one affiliated fan site or something? I think it's because he's thin-skinned, and only wants to post where he feels safe. Yeah, he'll get flamed, and his pride and joy is treated like dirt out here in the barrens of mmorpg.com, but such is life, especially life on teh interweb.. but I think he doesn't deal with that so well.
Well, actually Brad is posting everywhere.
He has also posted here on mmorpg.com during these past 2 days.
Here is one of the threads he has replied to:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/thread/118629/page/1
See, it's stupid posts like this that make me defend the game. Because they're patently false, and provably so.
At level 18, both my paladin, and shaman have more quests available to them in the areas they are in than they can accept. my paladin has one or two out of 20 quests that would be deemed duo or group quests as they involve killing 3 dots. I have soloed 3 dot mobs in the past with the pally, but haven't played him in some weeks, so don't know if I still could.
The shaman has a handfull of group quests that I picked up for the dungeon that is about 20 seconds, if that, from the quest hub. Everything else, except for one quest, because the mobs chain stun, is soloable.
And this is just counting quests in each characters immediate area. If I included other areas outside of where I am at, I'd need a questlog that could hold 100s of quests, not just 20.
Kojan, on the other hand, is probably pretty sparse for content after 15. But Kojan as a whole shouldn't even be in the game at this point, if you ask me. It was the last continent worked on, and compared to the other two, it shows. Badly. They should have just focused on the two main continents, and added Kojan later as free content with one of their update patches.
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Incorrect. Viral marketers are paid to say the things that they do.There are companies who employ people to create personas on message boards, pretending to be normal gamers who like whatever game they are being paid to push. In most cases, these people are fed their talking points and don't play the game any more than what they need to familiarize themselves with it.
It is a wholly dishonest way to promote your product, but it is pretty much the norm. Most game companies do it to some extent because it is comparatively cheap.
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Incorrect. Viral marketers are paid to say the things that they do.
There are companies who employ people to create personas on message boards, pretending to be normal gamers who like whatever game they are being paid to push. In most cases, these people are fed their talking points and don't play the game any more than what they need to familiarize themselves with it.
It is a wholly dishonest way to promote your product, but it is pretty much the norm. Most game companies do it to some extent because it is comparatively cheap.
Incorrect yourself. Stealth marketing is the practice of using paid posters to work forums, or a blog, with the express purpose of promoting the companies product or service.
Viral marketing is something else. The little text blurb with a link back to the site that's added on to any email you send using a free email service? That's viral marketing.
See, it's stupid posts like this that make me defend the game. Because they're patently false, and provably so.
At level 18, both my paladin, and shaman have more quests available to them in the areas they are in than they can accept. my paladin has one or two out of 20 quests that would be deemed duo or group quests as they involve killing 3 dots. I have soloed 3 dot mobs in the past with the pally, but haven't played him in some weeks, so don't know if I still could.
The shaman has a handfull of group quests that I picked up for the dungeon that is about 20 seconds, if that, from the quest hub. Everything else, except for one quest, because the mobs chain stun, is soloable.
And this is just counting quests in each characters immediate area. If I included other areas outside of where I am at, I'd need a questlog that could hold 100s of quests, not just 20.
Kojan, on the other hand, is probably pretty sparse for content after 15. But Kojan as a whole shouldn't even be in the game at this point, if you ask me. It was the last continent worked on, and compared to the other two, it shows. Badly. They should have just focused on the two main continents, and added Kojan later as free content with one of their update patches.
Yep Coldmeat nailed it. Who says you are not able to solo post 15? I have done plenty of solo stuff all over central Thestra. There are so many quest in that area you can do solo.
Yes this guy is definately one of Brads "viral marketers"
Yes and so am I.
All a viral marketer is is someone who enjoys the game and says so. I don't work for Brad. Don't know him. And have never talked to him in any way even on the forums.
You however have twisted the term to supposedly mean something bad. It's amazing how low the tricks people like you will go to to disparage someone or something that doesnt fit into your pathetically cynical view of the world.
I like Vanguard it is a good game. And I will continue to say so in spite of the moronic rambling trash talk of the twits who usualy post here.
Incorrect. Viral marketers are paid to say the things that they do.
There are companies who employ people to create personas on message boards, pretending to be normal gamers who like whatever game they are being paid to push. In most cases, these people are fed their talking points and don't play the game any more than what they need to familiarize themselves with it.
It is a wholly dishonest way to promote your product, but it is pretty much the norm. Most game companies do it to some extent because it is comparatively cheap.
Incorrect yourself. Stealth marketing is the practice of using paid posters to work forums, or a blog, with the express purpose of promoting the companies product or service.
Viral marketing is something else. The little text blurb with a link back to the site that's added on to any email you send using a free email service? That's viral marketing.
Nice try. Stealth marketing is a subset of viral marketing, although it does happen to be the subset we were talking about.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing
Thanks for playing.
From an interview with key EQ personnel after the Vision(TM) had left the building many, many years ago...
"These guys *do* play EQ. A lot. Many different classes, many different levels. In fact, a lot of the current team were people who played the game when the old guard was in place, which is partially why we've seen so many sweeping changes to the Vision (TM) in the past year or so. Many of the same things that frustrated us as players in the early days frustrated the current team as well, which is why you see things like soul binders and fast modes of transportation being introduced. It wasn't a case of 'Brad is gone, now we can screw around with the game;' it's a matter of 'What aggravated us as players and how can we make the game more fun?'"
Fast modes of transportation? Better methods for corpse retrieval? Making the game more fun?
Was this posted yesterday or four years ago?
Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it.
Working to overcome obstacles, even tedioum, was one of the challenges that make games fun IMO, and what is lacking in current MMOs.
So if you say you are talking about stealth marketing, then why not call it that? Unless you're just trying to muddy the waters so you can spin what was originally said by McQuaid as a negative thing.
A soloer who gets to level 50 in a month.