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  • Originally posted by grinreaper

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    I guess there were not enough "core players" out there and now they wil have to pull a NGE and try and woo the casuals in. What a surprise.



    I wouldnt hold my breath...this isnt SOE....dont expect a full 360...most of the 'hard core' is off playing the couple of weeks of content Blizzard put out still. There are plenty of people playing, and more all the time.

    You DOOOOM! people are going to look pretty damn silly in a couple of months



    You mean in a couple of months when people begin to hit max level in VG and realize there is ZERO end-game content?
  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378
    Originally posted by Yanen

    I love how he's sticking his head up the assholes of these uber guilds by posting on their forums.  I guess he has to though, since their voracious consumption of disposable high-end content will be what keeps Vangaurd alive in it's old age after they decide to switch to the 3-4 expansions a year business model that EQ1 has

    He is a long time member of FoH but hey way to have a childish opinion. Such a waste of a post.

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  • Originally posted by anarchyart

    Originally posted by Yanen

    I love how he's sticking his head up the assholes of these uber guilds by posting on their forums.  I guess he has to though, since their voracious consumption of disposable high-end content will be what keeps Vangaurd alive in it's old age after they decide to switch to the 3-4 expansions a year business model that EQ1 has

    He is a long time member of FoH but hey way to have a childish opinion. Such a waste of a post.



    So you made an equally useless post to tell us that you didn't like his opinion, to which he is entitled to, until they start censoring this forum.  Gotcha.



    I think the sentiment (stop me if I'm wrong Yanen) is that Brad chooses to address a message board full of posters that really don't represent the average gamer - the very audience he professes to cater to.
  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378
    Originally posted by Aildrik

    Originally posted by anarchyart

    Originally posted by Yanen

    I love how he's sticking his head up the assholes of these uber guilds by posting on their forums.  I guess he has to though, since their voracious consumption of disposable high-end content will be what keeps Vangaurd alive in it's old age after they decide to switch to the 3-4 expansions a year business model that EQ1 has

    He is a long time member of FoH but hey way to have a childish opinion. Such a waste of a post.


    So you made an equally useless post to tell us that you didn't like his opinion, to which he is entitled to, until they start censoring this forum.  Gotcha.



    I think the sentiment (stop me if I'm wrong Yanen) is that Brad chooses to address a message board full of posters that really don't represent the average gamer - the very audience he professes to cater to.

    My post was not useless, I was telling him that Brad McQuaid is addressing a guild he was formerly a member of, not some random uber guild. His opinion was based on misinformation, your was just oblivious.

    As for the second part of your post, again, he is addressing a guild he used to belong to. Whether they or any other guild represents or can represent the average gamer is beside the point.

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  • aerogradaerograd Member Posts: 53
    Originally posted by thepatriot

    Brad must have a different definition of casual then everyone else on the planet.  I tried Vanguard and although I agree that it is not as bad as some say it is once you get it running, but I see nothing casual about this game by an sane definition.

    At what level does VG become more for the hardcore player than for the casual gamer?  Or does it?   When does grouping become a necessity to progress reasonably? I'm not talking about leveling to 30+ in a couple of weeks like so many players seem intent on.  I'm talking about leveling reasonably - i.e. taking many months to get a single character to the 30-50 level range.  That's my definition of reasonable progression for a modern MMORPG at least... many will disagree I'm sure though.

    I started about a month after VG's launch after playing UO for 3-4 years, then SWG, then dabbling in AO, Ashen Empires, and a couple of other smaller MMORPGs.  After leaving SWG, none of the others I tried really hooked me.  So I opted to wait for VG and I bought a new custom system to support VG and some other games coming out soon (Gods & Heroes, Pirates of the Burning Sea, etc.).  

    So, only being in game for a couple of weeks now, I am still working on newbie characters.  I don't have a full appreciation of what is in store for me after I get past level 15 or so.  Right now, I have a 12 High Elf Bloodmage and 8 Halfling Bard (I hate having to describe my characters by levels BTW! - can someone please make a good MMORPG that the character levels and skill values are unknown to the players??!!) both on Florendyl.  I'll probably also start a druid or sorcerer, a warrior or paladin, a rogue, and perhaps a cleric or ranger too.  Right now, I see no reason why I couldn't play my usual couple of hours a night and still have fun for a long time while progressing reasonably with multiple characters.   I also want to craft, harvest, and run a merchant business, so I have all that stuff to mess around with too.

    I might not make it to the high levels for a year or more, or I might not be able to get a house for a year or more, or whatever, but that is ok. 

    MMORPGs are supposed to be long term investments in my opinion, not sources of instant gratification.   Why would someone buy a game, then pay a monthly subscription fee, only to power level to the endgame content and become bored with the whole game within a couple of months??  MMORPGs last for years... heck UO is still going after how many years now?  Some of my old guidies are still playing... they've been there for 6+ years. I start a new game with the mindset of playing it for years too... or until it turns to crap... whichever comes first.  So far I am 1 for 2 (I only left UO because SWG lured me in and turned out to be really fun for a long time until the changes started happening), but hopefully I can improve that stat and avoid another disappointment this year. 

    Hopefully ,VG doesn't go the way of SWG (which I played from launch day to the NGE) or WOW (which I didn't play at all) where the endgamers (jedi hordes) and power levelers appeared to rule the land. 

    Playing WoT now.

    Favorite All-Time Games: Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Lord of the Rings Online

  • Originally posted by anarchyart

    Stuff.....

    My post was not useless, I was telling him that Brad McQuaid is addressing a guild he was formerly a member of, not some random uber guild. His opinion was based on misinformation, your was just oblivious.

    As for the second part of your post, again, he is addressing a guild he used to belong to. Whether they or any other guild represents or can represent the average gamer is beside the point.



    The fact remains that Brad choses to address a certain audience and that will have repercussions.



    As for Brad being a member of FOH.. give me a break.  He is an "honorary member".
  • Rover64ddRover64dd Member Posts: 144
    30 days play time to 50...yea its for the hard core. Hes a salesman aka politician...what he says are lies.

    Never take life too seriously youre never gonna make it out alive.

  • NshtielNshtiel Member Posts: 26


    I love how he's sticking his head up the assholes of these uber guilds by posting on their forums. I guess he has to though, since their voracious consumption of disposable high-end content will be what keeps Vangaurd alive in it's old age after they decide to switch to the 3-4 expansions a year business model that EQ1 has

    Brad replied to this on Silky Venom as well.


    Hi guys.

    I covered this before but am happy to again.

    I post on FoH and elsewhere because, especially FoH, gets a lot of views.

    I also respond to general questions there.

    The guys in development who are more hands on respond to specific questions here and on other affiliate sites.

    It's really as simple as that. My job in posting is really to spread the word about Vanguard. I'm not in the trenches enough to be posting specific responses to patches, class issues, dungeon issues, etc. Designers and coders should and are doing that as often as they can, although keep in mind they are very busy working on the game itself.

    So getting upset that I am preaching the gospel of Vanguard on sites that hopefully reach out to people who are wary of Vanguard, not playing it, etc., with all due respect, doesn't make a lot of sense.

    I think the devs posting on the affiliate sites answering specific game questions makes sense, and me evangelizing on more general, more widely read sites does make sense.

    And yes, as the previous post says, he people on the general FoH boards are almost never FoH members; rather they are a bunch of MMO enthusiasts and critics. My honorary affiliation with FoH has nothing to do with me posting there in the slightest. In fact, some of our devs were/are active FoH members and you see them posting on affiliate sites answering specific Vanguard quesitons.


    FOH guild message boards haven't been about the guild for years now. It's a fairly uncensored MMO community that is popular for being one of the most well known. If you think Brad is posting to pander to some "uber-guild clique", then you are sorely mistaken and don't know a thing about the FOH message boards.

    I've never been in FOH, nor played on any server in any game they have a guild in. The same goes for 98% of everyone else that posts there. Lots of other developers and people have posted there too. Curt Schilling and Moorguard (from EQ2) are the most recent other ones that I know of.

    FOH guild boards were so popular back in the EQ1 days that Devs posting there was basically a necessity in order to address many things.

    Necessity has now become tradition. That's the only reason Devs post at FOH; also because it is not an "official" website for any game in particular, they can sometimes post without sounding like a corporate robot with generic statements.

    "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -H.P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu"

  • tevanstevans Member Posts: 87
    Originally posted by Nshtiel


     

    I love how he's sticking his head up the assholes of these uber guilds by posting on their forums. I guess he has to though, since their voracious consumption of disposable high-end content will be what keeps Vangaurd alive in it's old age after they decide to switch to the 3-4 expansions a year business model that EQ1 has

     

    Brad replied to this on Silky Venom as well.

     



    Hi guys.

     

    I covered this before but am happy to again.

    I post on FoH and elsewhere because, especially FoH, gets a lot of views.

    I also respond to general questions there.

    The guys in development who are more hands on respond to specific questions here and on other affiliate sites.

    It's really as simple as that. My job in posting is really to spread the word about Vanguard. I'm not in the trenches enough to be posting specific responses to patches, class issues, dungeon issues, etc. Designers and coders should and are doing that as often as they can, although keep in mind they are very busy working on the game itself.

    So getting upset that I am preaching the gospel of Vanguard on sites that hopefully reach out to people who are wary of Vanguard, not playing it, etc., with all due respect, doesn't make a lot of sense.

    I think the devs posting on the affiliate sites answering specific game questions makes sense, and me evangelizing on more general, more widely read sites does make sense.

    And yes, as the previous post says, he people on the general FoH boards are almost never FoH members; rather they are a bunch of MMO enthusiasts and critics. My honorary affiliation with FoH has nothing to do with me posting there in the slightest. In fact, some of our devs were/are active FoH members and you see them posting on affiliate sites answering specific Vanguard quesitons.



     

    FOH guild message boards haven't been about the guild for years now. It's a fairly uncensored MMO community that is popular for being one of the most well known. If you think Brad is posting to pander to some "uber-guild clique", then you are sorely mistaken and don't know a thing about the FOH message boards.

    I've never been in FOH, nor played on any server in any game they have a guild in. The same goes for 98% of everyone else that posts there. Lots of other developers and people have posted there too. Curt Schilling and Moorguard (from EQ2) are the most recent other ones that I know of.

    FOH guild boards were so popular back in the EQ1 days that Devs posting there was basically a necessity in order to address many things.

    Necessity has now become tradition. That's the only reason Devs post at FOH; also because it is not an "official" website for any game in particular, they can sometimes post without sounding like a corporate robot with generic statements.

    The point everyone is making is that the FOH boards are not listed as an affiliate site to goto for Vanguard information. Maybe the info posted on that site makes it's way to the affiliates but then again maybe not everything makes it. This is the reason why Vanguard needs one centralized location for information. The FOH boards may have been popular and it may seem natural to Brad to post there but a lot of Vanguard players don't even know about FOH or how to get to their forums. I never even hear of FOH. Brad seems to contradict himself a lot. He says that this game isn't a remake of EQ1 but then posts on forums that have EQ1 ties that go way back. How does posting on the FOH forums help get the word out to his customers? Most people I know don't even check the affiliates. Vanguard needs it's own set of official forums and many people will consider this a second rate game until they get them.
  • FariicFariic Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by tevans

    Originally posted by Nshtiel


     

    I love how he's sticking his head up the assholes of these uber guilds by posting on their forums. I guess he has to though, since their voracious consumption of disposable high-end content will be what keeps Vangaurd alive in it's old age after they decide to switch to the 3-4 expansions a year business model that EQ1 has

     

    Brad replied to this on Silky Venom as well.

     



    Hi guys.

     

    I covered this before but am happy to again.

    I post on FoH and elsewhere because, especially FoH, gets a lot of views.

    I also respond to general questions there.

    The guys in development who are more hands on respond to specific questions here and on other affiliate sites.

    It's really as simple as that. My job in posting is really to spread the word about Vanguard. I'm not in the trenches enough to be posting specific responses to patches, class issues, dungeon issues, etc. Designers and coders should and are doing that as often as they can, although keep in mind they are very busy working on the game itself.

    So getting upset that I am preaching the gospel of Vanguard on sites that hopefully reach out to people who are wary of Vanguard, not playing it, etc., with all due respect, doesn't make a lot of sense.

    I think the devs posting on the affiliate sites answering specific game questions makes sense, and me evangelizing on more general, more widely read sites does make sense.

    And yes, as the previous post says, he people on the general FoH boards are almost never FoH members; rather they are a bunch of MMO enthusiasts and critics. My honorary affiliation with FoH has nothing to do with me posting there in the slightest. In fact, some of our devs were/are active FoH members and you see them posting on affiliate sites answering specific Vanguard quesitons.



     

    FOH guild message boards haven't been about the guild for years now. It's a fairly uncensored MMO community that is popular for being one of the most well known. If you think Brad is posting to pander to some "uber-guild clique", then you are sorely mistaken and don't know a thing about the FOH message boards.

    I've never been in FOH, nor played on any server in any game they have a guild in. The same goes for 98% of everyone else that posts there. Lots of other developers and people have posted there too. Curt Schilling and Moorguard (from EQ2) are the most recent other ones that I know of.

    FOH guild boards were so popular back in the EQ1 days that Devs posting there was basically a necessity in order to address many things.

    Necessity has now become tradition. That's the only reason Devs post at FOH; also because it is not an "official" website for any game in particular, they can sometimes post without sounding like a corporate robot with generic statements.

    The point everyone is making is that the FOH boards are not listed as an affiliate site to goto for Vanguard information. Maybe the info posted on that site makes it's way to the affiliates but then again maybe not everything makes it. This is the reason why Vanguard needs one centralized location for information. The FOH boards may have been popular and it may seem natural to Brad to post there but a lot of Vanguard players don't even know about FOH or how to get to their forums. I never even hear of FOH. Brad seems to contradict himself a lot. He says that this game isn't a remake of EQ1 but then posts on forums that have EQ1 ties that go way back. How does posting on the FOH forums help get the word out to his customers? Most people I know don't even check the affiliates. Vanguard needs it's own set of official forums and many people will consider this a second rate game until they get them.

    Because FoH isn't an affiliated site, and because Brad was attempting to reach out to people who may not be playing or following VG, was a motivating factor for posting on the FoH site.  At least that was what I got from the responce he posted about posting on the FoH site. 

    Or to put it simplify.  If you want to reach people who aren't playing the game you do that by posting on sites that aren't dedicated to the game, if you want to reach people who are playing the game you post on sites dedicated to the game. 

    Also, considering his post has made its rounds through peoples linking to FoH or simply pasting his post at other sites, I can't really see why it matters if it was FoH.  It still made it to other sites.

    I agree they need an official forum, but I don't think it would stop Brad from posting on other sites in an effort to spread awareness of the game.

  • tevanstevans Member Posts: 87
    Originally posted by Fariic


    Because FoH isn't an affiliated site, and because Brad was attempting to reach out to people who may not be playing or following VG, was a motivating factor for posting on the FoH site.  At least that was what I got from the responce he posted about posting on the FoH site. 
    Or to put it simplify.  If you want to reach people who aren't playing the game you do that by posting on sites that aren't dedicated to the game, if you want to reach people who are playing the game you post on sites dedicated to the game. 
    Also, considering his post has made its rounds through peoples linking to FoH or simply pasting his post at other sites, I can't really see why it matters if it was FoH.  It still made it to other sites.
    I agree they need an official forum, but I don't think it would stop Brad from posting on other sites in an effort to spread awareness of the game.


    Are you sure about that? Selling it is one thing but it seems to me Brad was answering a lot of questions and talking to people who already owned the game. Discussing the issues, problems and their plans for the future really has nothing to do with potential buyers. Neither does the viral marketing comments. I never followed the game through it's development but from what I gather Brad posted on FOH quite a bit then. That would have been him selling his product. To post there now and for the most part ignore the affiliate sites that he told his customers to goto for  information is unacceptable. Getting new customers isn't going to help much if you lose the customers you have. If nothing else this proves the need for an official forum. We need a centralized location to communicate with Brad, the dev's and each other. The affiliate sites are good but can't compare to official forums.
  • ColdmeatColdmeat Member UncommonPosts: 3,409

    So it's now reduced to quibbling over McQuaid posting on one site vs another.


    /sigh

  • FariicFariic Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by tevans

    Originally posted by Fariic


    Because FoH isn't an affiliated site, and because Brad was attempting to reach out to people who may not be playing or following VG, was a motivating factor for posting on the FoH site.  At least that was what I got from the responce he posted about posting on the FoH site. 
    Or to put it simplify.  If you want to reach people who aren't playing the game you do that by posting on sites that aren't dedicated to the game, if you want to reach people who are playing the game you post on sites dedicated to the game. 
    Also, considering his post has made its rounds through peoples linking to FoH or simply pasting his post at other sites, I can't really see why it matters if it was FoH.  It still made it to other sites.
    I agree they need an official forum, but I don't think it would stop Brad from posting on other sites in an effort to spread awareness of the game.


    Are you sure about that? Selling it is one thing but it seems to me Brad was answering a lot of questions and talking to people who already owned the game. Discussing the issues, problems and their plans for the future really has nothing to do with potential buyers. Neither does the viral marketing comments. I never followed the game through it's development but from what I gather Brad posted on FOH quite a bit then. That would have been him selling his product. To post there now and for the most part ignore the affiliate sites that he told his customers to goto for  information is unacceptable. Getting new customers isn't going to help much if you lose the customers you have. If nothing else this proves the need for an official forum. We need a centralized location to communicate with Brad, the dev's and each other. The affiliate sites are good but can't compare to official forums.



    LOL, you're kidding!

    No really, I'm laughing out loud.  HE WROTE IT CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE POSTED ON THAT SITE!

    Oh my jeezus christ.  The poeple that dislike this game will go to no lenths to find something to bitch about.

    LOL.

    GET OVER IT ALREADY.

  • FariicFariic Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by Coldmeat


    So it's now reduced to quibbling over McQuaid posting on one site vs another.


    /sigh



    rlmao, no kidding.

    I'm going to my physical therepy now.  I'll let you know when I get back wich is worse.  Having the chiropracter twist the crap out of my neck or reading this forum. 

  • altairzqaltairzq Member Posts: 3,811
    Originally posted by Enigma


    When did he write that?
    Because in SEVERAL interviews right before the game was released he commented on the fact that Sigil prided on the fact this game isn't for the weak of hearted and will tend to be loved by HardCore gamers.
    It's like he did a 180.
    That's exactly what he did. Just after the SOE deal.
  • FariicFariic Member Posts: 1,546
    Yes, reading these boards is worse then having a doctor twist the hell out of my neck.  Considerabley more painful as well.
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