Er...lets not forgot the recent Kojani crafting faction debacle.... I personally know 3 players who quit just yesterday over this issue.... and I think you'll find they won't be the last....
Nope, they sure won't. I'm VERY ticked about it, although I won't quit over it. The Dev's need to rethink their stand, or they will loose subs & hurt the game.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
I really have a hard time when reading Brad's statements and seeing populations online, reading people's doomed forcast [sic] for VG. With all the bugs and issues in the first month, I think it is a compliment to the gameplay that it has held so many subs and from what I have seen online, VG is doing pretty good. Lots of adventures, crafting, diplomates [sic] and harvester. This game is really going to be a force in the MMO world if it stays the coarse. Even with trolls running roughshot [sic] all over the VG forums, RAR
Their aren't THAT many doomsayers they just shout the loudest. They will even make alt screen names and post on the same thread several times.
Do you really believe this?
Vanguard is doing just fine and going to be sucessfull [sic] for many years to come. The majority like the game...the minority just barks the loudest. The majority is too busy playing and having fun to bother with posts and threads.
You are reading themanthemantheman's posts on SV that're copied here, right?
Does that sound... fine... to you? (hint: You just chopped your girlfriend's head off with a chainsaw.)
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.
Subs are not trials, since you don't subscribe to the game when you do a trial. So none are buddy keys.Okay, let me make this clear : when Brad says they had 150 he means them as well, rest is just words, which Brad has the talent to twist and turn.No, he doesn't. YOU mean that, and are trying to put words in his mouth. If you can prove otherwise, do so or stop the bull. Otherwise, you are only proving you hate the game & are willing to say anything. Is that clear enough for you?
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.
Subs are not trials, since you don't subscribe to the game when you do a trial. So none are buddy keys.Okay, let me make this clear : when Brad says they had 150 he means them as well, rest is just words, which Brad has the talent to twist and turn.No, he doesn't. YOU mean that, and are trying to put words in his mouth. If you can prove otherwise, do so or stop the bull. Otherwise, you are only proving you hate the game & are willing to say anything. Is that clear enough for you?
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.
Also some of the "resubscriptions" from this past month, were people like me. Ones who got scammed into thinking getting the Collector's Edition you get 3 free months. Go ahead, say its "our fault that people should read into what station pass is." Not everyone is going to go into a store, see the game, read the box, and say hmm lets see what this 3 months free of station pass is before i buy it. Then go home and look at the webpage, where it says nothing about it. Now go ahead again, say "hey you should of read up on the forums what it is." Ok, do u think everyone knows what forums even are for all the regular average people or kids who go into a store and just look at the box and say hey this game looks cool!! OR even if they know what forums are, which ones should they go to to read what station pass is?? Ok so now, again, all you brad lovers are going to say...
"Well cmon, do the damn math, game costs 50, you get CE for 90, so if u get 3 free months basically they would be losing money (3+15 a month = 45)!!!!! OMG!!!! PLUs THEY GAVE YOU that special box! the map! and the items!!! cmon man their not that stupid they have to make money!!! so do they math!!! Those 3 free months of station pass isnt gameplay, god, use your head"
Ok, so what, even if they did make it free 3 months of actual gameplay, they wouldnt be LOSING money. Think about it, ya it becomes a little cheaper but atleast they have u tied into the game for atleast 3 months! So your telling me they would rather have some people get the game for 50, quit after first month cause its buggy, then have someone pay 90, who pays more ahead of time and so that they get to play 3 months AFTER RELEASE, when theres LESS BUGS, MORE FIXES ETC?!?! Doesnt actually making them pay more and give them more free time ahead of time make more sense?
And no, im not a troll or a vangaurd hater, i actually liked the game. But when i got billed after the second month and found out what the 3 free months was for, i cancelled right there and then. And the funny part about what i have just said was that i had this pre ordered months ago, and i went in to pick it up and saw they had the CE edition so i read the box and saw 3 free months of station pass, so i figured what the hell it saves me 5 bucks and i get a cool map and box. YAY! Im so upset by this that this month i got billed i havent even played because this has really made me sick to my stomach. Im a manager at Circuit City, so when people ask what games i recommend, which actually gets asked very very much, i will never recommend this game to anyone. And thats including all the other people i work with who i begged to quit WoW to play this AWESOME game I have told them not to get it. So go ahead say im only one person i cant bring down a game omg!!! Ya but i know ive atleast stopped 20-30 people from buying this game. Including people who have had it in there hand at a register. 30x15 = 450 dollars a month ive stopped from sigil. Which also is 5,400 dollars a year. And that number will only rise. Also in which i have informed the Gamestop thats right next door, where i had pre ordered this game what had happened. So those numbers arent even inlcuding when people come into there store and say hey is this game good? In which they will not respond with good things to say.
I feel bad for all adults and kids who see this in the store in the future and get suckered like i did
I really have a hard time when reading Brad's statements and seeing populations online, reading people's doomed forcast for VG. With all the bugs and issues in the first month, I think it is a compliment to the gameplay that it has held so many subs and from what I have seen online, VG is doing pretty good. Lots of adventures, crafting, diplomates and harvester. This game is really going to be a force in the MMO world if it stays the coarse. Even with trolls running roughshot all over the VG forums, RAR
You do know that with 500,000 toons with 150,000 actual players is actually a bad sign dont you?
That means every single player has 3.333 other characters or "alts." Creating this many alts this early in the stage of a released MMO tells me that people have already growned bored or exploring other possibilities in the game.
Usually, people who create alts usually maxed their other player or is interesting in seeing what other classes do. Others create the alts because their becoming bored.
However, in any, case, 1 person creating 7 alts doesnt mean the game is growing. You want to count "PAID" subscribers. No alts, no buddy passes...just the paid subscribers.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I am not trying to sound negative, but I know at least half a dozen people whom have canceled; they are saying that very few people canceled, but I logged in today and it is a ghost town. LOL. In a word, I think it is a lie, but I do not have the raw data in front of me.
Ten Ton Hammer is biased, and that is why I do not bother with that forum. Silky Venom likewise.
This forum is more intelligent, mature and so forth, esp. more so than Silky Venom.
I hope the above does not offend anyone, but hardly anyone I know is continuing to play Vanguard - but that is just ME.
EDIT: My canceled account is inactive on April 3rd, although I canceled a long time ago, they sucked another month out of me.
I feel bad for all adults and kids who see this in the store in the future and get suckered like i did
I really feel that is the problem. So many people on this forum make excellent and thoughtful comments. Vanguard seems to be built, essentially, on dishonesty from the actual game to deceptive practices to confuse people to buy the CE (thank God! I did not buy it, but I nearly did!). Now, they are trying to deceive and inflate their subscriptions (no one is surprised at this point).
I just think SIGIL is unethical, and their marriage to SOE is ... well, in that sense appropriate. =p
The real problem here seems to be people who have internet access who do not research the pay to play games like they should. You didn't bother to look into it and see it was released far too early and then you through them 50 bucks up front and then even more if you stuck around a couple of months. This is going to let other games think it is okay to release products early just to get it out there.
When we as a community stop buying games like this, those devs will have to stop producing them. End of story.
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.
Subs are not trials, since you don't subscribe to the game when you do a trial. So none are buddy keys.Okay, let me make this clear : when Brad says they had 150 he means them as well, rest is just words, which Brad has the talent to twist and turn.No, he doesn't. YOU mean that, and are trying to put words in his mouth. If you can prove otherwise, do so or stop the bull. Otherwise, you are only proving you hate the game & are willing to say anything. Is that clear enough for you?
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.
I am not trying to sound negative, but I know at least half a dozen people whom have canceled; they are saying that very few people canceled, but I logged in today and it is a ghost town. LOL. In a word, I think it is a lie, but I do not have the raw data in front of me.
Ten Ton Hammer is biased, and that is why I do not bother with that forum. Silky Venom likewise.
This forum is more intelligent, mature and so forth, esp. more so than Silky Venom.
I hope the above does not offend anyone, but hardly anyone I know is continuing to play Vanguard - but that is just ME.
EDIT: My canceled account is inactive on April 3rd, although I canceled a long time ago, they sucked another month out of me.
And on my server it's constantly packed. I know of 2 people who have quit, while at the same time I know of 4 that have started to play (several of them who SWORE they wouldn't because they hated SOE, but stayed after Buddy Key Trials). I'm not saying I don't believe you, I do. I'm just saying eople leave and join games all of the time, and when I'm constantly seeing players accross the world ALL of the time, I have to believe the game is overall gaining subs (slowly IMO).
I, and many in my Guild, quit WoW almost instantly because we hated it, but I wouldn't claim they lost Subs...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.
Subs are not trials, since you don't subscribe to the game when you do a trial. So none are buddy keys.Okay, let me make this clear : when Brad says they had 150 he means them as well, rest is just words, which Brad has the talent to twist and turn.No, he doesn't. YOU mean that, and are trying to put words in his mouth. If you can prove otherwise, do so or stop the bull. Otherwise, you are only proving you hate the game & are willing to say anything. Is that clear enough for you?
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
The first time he answered a question about subscribers, he said 150k registered users. This time he's answered a question about subscribers, and just said 150k without saying subscribers or registered users.
I'm inclined to believe he means registered users, rather than making a switch from saying 150k registered users to 150k subscribers. Because that implies they have a 100% retention rate.
Do let me know if I'm ever wrong though and Brad actually uses the word "subscriber" for once.
I really have a hard time when reading Brad's statements and seeing populations online, reading people's doomed forcast for VG. With all the bugs and issues in the first month, I think it is a compliment to the gameplay that it has held so many subs and from what I have seen online, VG is doing pretty good. Lots of adventures, crafting, diplomates and harvester. This game is really going to be a force in the MMO world if it stays the coarse. Even with trolls running roughshot all over the VG forums, RAR
I can't agree with you more Tacola. The reason I'm here is because my server is actually down at the moment, and am very surprised to see the trolls still trolling. I would have thought they would have moved on by now to rant the usual tirade on the next upcoming mmorpg.
As to Vanguard, all I have to say is that I am addicted and hooked. It is the best game I have played and I have played a lot. Not only is the adventuring dimention of the game incredibly entertaining but the crafting is unsurpassed by any other mmorpg out there. So many things to make for a player market. Crafting is fun and rewarding, as well as harvesting resources for crafting. I am not even going to get into the Diplomacy sphere, which is unique or the player driven economy which is thriving.
I already bought a plot of land and am looking for the best deal on construction resources to build my house. As an outfitter, I can make my own roof but still need bricks and woodpanels from minerologists and carpenters. Its a booming economy out here and we are all having fun.
So... let the trolls troll.... we are playing the game. So all you people out there reading these forums be wary of the naysayers. If you really want to find out about vanguard and crafting... head over to vanguardcrafters.com and learn the REAL story.
Er...lets not forgot the recent Kojani crafting faction debacle.... I personally know 3 players who quit just yesterday over this issue.... and I think you'll find they won't be the last....
What you mean i cant just sit in Kajon and craft till am a level 50 crafter , i actually have to go see the rest of the game. well thats it am canceling lol get real
I really have a hard time when reading Brad's statements and seeing populations online, reading people's doomed forcast for VG. With all the bugs and issues in the first month, I think it is a compliment to the gameplay that it has held so many subs and from what I have seen online, VG is doing pretty good. Lots of adventures, crafting, diplomates and harvester. This game is really going to be a force in the MMO world if it stays the coarse. Even with trolls running roughshot all over the VG forums, RAR
You believe all the BS that SoE and Brad are feeding out related to Sub numbers and Current server Pops?
Here, I'll save you the trouble :
Shoal == Troll
Tacola == VanBoi
Can't take the fact that a game you seem to hate is actually doing well despite the early release and bugs? Want some tissue now?
I personally don't consider 150k subs as "doing well"..... even if they really do have that many.
I understand why people are playing the game. Despite the laundry list of bugs, the tired old game mechanics and generally unfinished state of the gaem... it still stands up pretty good against the other second gen MMOs... newness being important to a lot of people. That said, I do believe Vanguard will really start to suffer in subscribers as the batch of MMOs hits the shelves. I really think it's a shame. The game has a lot of potential, and tries to offer all the game systems people look for in an MMO. Unfortunately I don't think it can recover from it's early launch. People are trying it now, while it is really the only option for a NEW MMO.... but how many people will give it a second chance in a year from now when it runs right, and we have the hardware to support it... and they have several other, newer options to choose from?
I really have a hard time when reading Brad's statements and seeing populations online, reading people's doomed forcast for VG. With all the bugs and issues in the first month, I think it is a compliment to the gameplay that it has held so many subs and from what I have seen online, VG is doing pretty good. Lots of adventures, crafting, diplomates and harvester. This game is really going to be a force in the MMO world if it stays the coarse. Even with trolls running roughshot all over the VG forums, RAR
You do know that with 500,000 toons with 150,000 actual players is actually a bad sign dont you?
That means every single player has 3.333 other characters or "alts." Creating this many alts this early in the stage of a released MMO tells me that people have already growned bored or exploring other possibilities in the game.
Usually, people who create alts usually maxed their other player or is interesting in seeing what other classes do. Others create the alts because their becoming bored.
However, in any, case, 1 person creating 7 alts doesnt mean the game is growing. You want to count "PAID" subscribers. No alts, no buddy passes...just the paid subscribers.
There's only 62.065 toons that are lvl 5-50.
Those include people that have quit.
Probably a fair amount of those are alts.
I don't know how Brad even gets 150k subscribers.
So 100.000 subscribers are under lvl 5 or something?? .... uhm
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.
Subs are not trials, since you don't subscribe to the game when you do a trial. So none are buddy keys.Okay, let me make this clear : when Brad says they had 150 he means them as well, rest is just words, which Brad has the talent to twist and turn.No, he doesn't. YOU mean that, and are trying to put words in his mouth. If you can prove otherwise, do so or stop the bull. Otherwise, you are only proving you hate the game & are willing to say anything. Is that clear enough for you?
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
The first time he answered a question about subscribers, he said 150k registered users. This time he's answered a question about subscribers, and just said 150k without saying subscribers or registered users.
I'm inclined to believe he means registered users, rather than making a switch from saying 150k registered users to 150k subscribers. Because that implies they have a 100% retention rate.
Do let me know if I'm ever wrong though and Brad actually uses the word "subscriber" for once.
So you're inclined to not believe him, as is your right. But don't claim he's saying something different, because he's not. He's answering a question about SUBSCRIPTIONS, not Registered Users.
That said, I've never seen him post about 150k Registered Users, please provide a link and thanks in advance.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
So you're inclined to not believe him, as is your right. But don't claim he's saying something different, because he's not. He's answering a question about SUBSCRIPTIONS, not Registered Users. That said, I've never seen him post about 150k Registered Users, please provide a link and thanks in advance.
I don't believe anything Sigil or brad says anymore rofl.
Why can't he just give the numbers? Because they're so bad?
I see 60k toons above lvl 5...................60k only............including people that have quit.........I'm not surprised servers are empty at all really lol.
I really have a hard time when reading Brad's statements and seeing populations online, reading people's doomed forcast for VG. With all the bugs and issues in the first month, I think it is a compliment to the gameplay that it has held so many subs and from what I have seen online, VG is doing pretty good. Lots of adventures, crafting, diplomates and harvester. This game is really going to be a force in the MMO world if it stays the coarse. Even with trolls running roughshot all over the VG forums, RAR
You do know that with 500,000 toons with 150,000 actual players is actually a bad sign dont you?
That means every single player has 3.333 other characters or "alts." Creating this many alts this early in the stage of a released MMO tells me that people have already growned bored or exploring other possibilities in the game.
Usually, people who create alts usually maxed their other player or is interesting in seeing what other classes do. Others create the alts because their becoming bored.
However, in any, case, 1 person creating 7 alts doesnt mean the game is growing. You want to count "PAID" subscribers. No alts, no buddy passes...just the paid subscribers.
There's only 62.065 toons that are lvl 5-50.
Those include people that have quit.
Probably a fair amount of those are alts.
I don't know how Brad even gets 150k subscribers.
So 100.000 subscribers are under lvl 5 or something?? .... uhm
As of today there are 327,127 toons between Adventuring Levels 5-50. That does not include the Dedicated Crafters that are bellow LVL 5.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
150 k, of which how many are buddy keys? I for one still have 2 unused buddy keys, so don't give me the bull about the buddy keys being out.
Subs are not trials, since you don't subscribe to the game when you do a trial. So none are buddy keys.Okay, let me make this clear : when Brad says they had 150 he means them as well, rest is just words, which Brad has the talent to twist and turn.No, he doesn't. YOU mean that, and are trying to put words in his mouth. If you can prove otherwise, do so or stop the bull. Otherwise, you are only proving you hate the game & are willing to say anything. Is that clear enough for you?
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
The first time he answered a question about subscribers, he said 150k registered users. This time he's answered a question about subscribers, and just said 150k without saying subscribers or registered users.
I'm inclined to believe he means registered users, rather than making a switch from saying 150k registered users to 150k subscribers. Because that implies they have a 100% retention rate.
Do let me know if I'm ever wrong though and Brad actually uses the word "subscriber" for once.
So you're inclined to not believe him, as is your right. But don't claim he's saying something different, because he's not. He's answering a question about SUBSCRIPTIONS, not Registered Users.
That said, I've never seen him post about 150k Registered Users, please provide a link and thanks in advance.
I'm claiming he said something different, because he did.
This thread is all about subscriptions too, but scroll down and you'll see that he responded with 'registered users'.
Are you not inclined to believe the 150k figure he gave in the thread you linked me to, means registered users as well? I mean in one instance of him responding to a thread about subscriptions, he's said 150k registered users, in another he's said just 150k. You're saying it's more reasonable to believe in a week in a half, they've not only reached 150k registered users, they've maintained a 100% retention rate?
I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I'm being quite logical in the absence of Brad outright saying anything different.
I don't believe anything Sigil or brad says anymore rofl. Why? Show me one post where he's lied intentionally misled people, one. Why can't he just give the numbers? Because they're so bad? He did, you just choose to not believe them. I see 60k toons above lvl 5...................60k only............including people that have quit.........I'm not surprised servers are empty at all really lol. There are actually over 327k toons above LVL 5.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by Drea-mer Originally posted by MX13 Originally posted by Drea-mer I don't believe anything Sigil or brad says anymore rofl. Why? Show me one post where he's lied intentionally misled people, one.
Ok since you asked lol. "Vanguard will be a 3rd generation MMORPG." "Vanguard will be able to run on most systems." "90 day FREE station player acces" etc..
You forgot
"This game will not release until it is finished".
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I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Their aren't THAT many doomsayers they just shout the loudest. They will even make alt screen names and post on the same thread several times.
Do you really believe this?
Vanguard is doing just fine and going to be sucessfull [sic] for many years to come. The majority like the game...the minority just barks the loudest. The majority is too busy playing and having fun to bother with posts and threads.
You are reading themanthemantheman's posts on SV that're copied here, right?
Does that sound... fine... to you? (hint: You just chopped your girlfriend's head off with a chainsaw.)
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.Link me up, and thanks in advance.
Also some of the "resubscriptions" from this past month, were people like me. Ones who got scammed into thinking getting the Collector's Edition you get 3 free months. Go ahead, say its "our fault that people should read into what station pass is." Not everyone is going to go into a store, see the game, read the box, and say hmm lets see what this 3 months free of station pass is before i buy it. Then go home and look at the webpage, where it says nothing about it. Now go ahead again, say "hey you should of read up on the forums what it is." Ok, do u think everyone knows what forums even are for all the regular average people or kids who go into a store and just look at the box and say hey this game looks cool!! OR even if they know what forums are, which ones should they go to to read what station pass is?? Ok so now, again, all you brad lovers are going to say...
"Well cmon, do the damn math, game costs 50, you get CE for 90, so if u get 3 free months basically they would be losing money (3+15 a month = 45)!!!!! OMG!!!! PLUs THEY GAVE YOU that special box! the map! and the items!!! cmon man their not that stupid they have to make money!!! so do they math!!! Those 3 free months of station pass isnt gameplay, god, use your head"
Ok, so what, even if they did make it free 3 months of actual gameplay, they wouldnt be LOSING money. Think about it, ya it becomes a little cheaper but atleast they have u tied into the game for atleast 3 months! So your telling me they would rather have some people get the game for 50, quit after first month cause its buggy, then have someone pay 90, who pays more ahead of time and so that they get to play 3 months AFTER RELEASE, when theres LESS BUGS, MORE FIXES ETC?!?! Doesnt actually making them pay more and give them more free time ahead of time make more sense?
And no, im not a troll or a vangaurd hater, i actually liked the game. But when i got billed after the second month and found out what the 3 free months was for, i cancelled right there and then. And the funny part about what i have just said was that i had this pre ordered months ago, and i went in to pick it up and saw they had the CE edition so i read the box and saw 3 free months of station pass, so i figured what the hell it saves me 5 bucks and i get a cool map and box. YAY! Im so upset by this that this month i got billed i havent even played because this has really made me sick to my stomach. Im a manager at Circuit City, so when people ask what games i recommend, which actually gets asked very very much, i will never recommend this game to anyone. And thats including all the other people i work with who i begged to quit WoW to play this AWESOME game I have told them not to get it. So go ahead say im only one person i cant bring down a game omg!!! Ya but i know ive atleast stopped 20-30 people from buying this game. Including people who have had it in there hand at a register. 30x15 = 450 dollars a month ive stopped from sigil. Which also is 5,400 dollars a year. And that number will only rise. Also in which i have informed the Gamestop thats right next door, where i had pre ordered this game what had happened. So those numbers arent even inlcuding when people come into there store and say hey is this game good? In which they will not respond with good things to say.
I feel bad for all adults and kids who see this in the store in the future and get suckered like i did
You do know that with 500,000 toons with 150,000 actual players is actually a bad sign dont you?
That means every single player has 3.333 other characters or "alts." Creating this many alts this early in the stage of a released MMO tells me that people have already growned bored or exploring other possibilities in the game.
Usually, people who create alts usually maxed their other player or is interesting in seeing what other classes do. Others create the alts because their becoming bored.
However, in any, case, 1 person creating 7 alts doesnt mean the game is growing. You want to count "PAID" subscribers. No alts, no buddy passes...just the paid subscribers.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Ten Ton Hammer is biased, and that is why I do not bother with that forum. Silky Venom likewise.
This forum is more intelligent, mature and so forth, esp. more so than Silky Venom.
I hope the above does not offend anyone, but hardly anyone I know is continuing to play Vanguard - but that is just ME.
EDIT: My canceled account is inactive on April 3rd, although I canceled a long time ago, they sucked another month out of me.
I really feel that is the problem. So many people on this forum make excellent and thoughtful comments. Vanguard seems to be built, essentially, on dishonesty from the actual game to deceptive practices to confuse people to buy the CE (thank God! I did not buy it, but I nearly did!). Now, they are trying to deceive and inflate their subscriptions (no one is surprised at this point).
I just think SIGIL is unethical, and their marriage to SOE is ... well, in that sense appropriate. =p
I smell $OE.
The real problem here seems to be people who have internet access who do not research the pay to play games like they should. You didn't bother to look into it and see it was released far too early and then you through them 50 bucks up front and then even more if you stuck around a couple of months. This is going to let other games think it is okay to release products early just to get it out there.
When we as a community stop buying games like this, those devs will have to stop producing them. End of story.
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.Link me up, and thanks in advance.
Here is the link CLICKY4U
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
And on my server it's constantly packed. I know of 2 people who have quit, while at the same time I know of 4 that have started to play (several of them who SWORE they wouldn't because they hated SOE, but stayed after Buddy Key Trials). I'm not saying I don't believe you, I do. I'm just saying eople leave and join games all of the time, and when I'm constantly seeing players accross the world ALL of the time, I have to believe the game is overall gaining subs (slowly IMO).
I, and many in my Guild, quit WoW almost instantly because we hated it, but I wouldn't claim they lost Subs...
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.Link me up, and thanks in advance.
Here is the link CLICKY4U
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
The first time he answered a question about subscribers, he said 150k registered users. This time he's answered a question about subscribers, and just said 150k without saying subscribers or registered users.I'm inclined to believe he means registered users, rather than making a switch from saying 150k registered users to 150k subscribers. Because that implies they have a 100% retention rate.
Do let me know if I'm ever wrong though and Brad actually uses the word "subscriber" for once.
I can't agree with you more Tacola. The reason I'm here is because my server is actually down at the moment, and am very surprised to see the trolls still trolling. I would have thought they would have moved on by now to rant the usual tirade on the next upcoming mmorpg.
As to Vanguard, all I have to say is that I am addicted and hooked. It is the best game I have played and I have played a lot. Not only is the adventuring dimention of the game incredibly entertaining but the crafting is unsurpassed by any other mmorpg out there. So many things to make for a player market. Crafting is fun and rewarding, as well as harvesting resources for crafting. I am not even going to get into the Diplomacy sphere, which is unique or the player driven economy which is thriving.
I already bought a plot of land and am looking for the best deal on construction resources to build my house. As an outfitter, I can make my own roof but still need bricks and woodpanels from minerologists and carpenters. Its a booming economy out here and we are all having fun.
So... let the trolls troll.... we are playing the game. So all you people out there reading these forums be wary of the naysayers. If you really want to find out about vanguard and crafting... head over to vanguardcrafters.com and learn the REAL story.
You believe all the BS that SoE and Brad are feeding out related to Sub numbers and Current server Pops?
Here, I'll save you the trouble :
Shoal == Troll
Tacola == VanBoi
Can't take the fact that a game you seem to hate is actually doing well despite the early release and bugs? Want some tissue now?
I personally don't consider 150k subs as "doing well"..... even if they really do have that many.
I understand why people are playing the game. Despite the laundry list of bugs, the tired old game mechanics and generally unfinished state of the gaem... it still stands up pretty good against the other second gen MMOs... newness being important to a lot of people. That said, I do believe Vanguard will really start to suffer in subscribers as the batch of MMOs hits the shelves. I really think it's a shame. The game has a lot of potential, and tries to offer all the game systems people look for in an MMO. Unfortunately I don't think it can recover from it's early launch. People are trying it now, while it is really the only option for a NEW MMO.... but how many people will give it a second chance in a year from now when it runs right, and we have the hardware to support it... and they have several other, newer options to choose from?
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You do know that with 500,000 toons with 150,000 actual players is actually a bad sign dont you?
That means every single player has 3.333 other characters or "alts." Creating this many alts this early in the stage of a released MMO tells me that people have already growned bored or exploring other possibilities in the game.
Usually, people who create alts usually maxed their other player or is interesting in seeing what other classes do. Others create the alts because their becoming bored.
However, in any, case, 1 person creating 7 alts doesnt mean the game is growing. You want to count "PAID" subscribers. No alts, no buddy passes...just the paid subscribers.
There's only 62.065 toons that are lvl 5-50.
Those include people that have quit.
Probably a fair amount of those are alts.
I don't know how Brad even gets 150k subscribers.
So 100.000 subscribers are under lvl 5 or something?? .... uhm
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.Link me up, and thanks in advance.
Here is the link CLICKY4U
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
The first time he answered a question about subscribers, he said 150k registered users. This time he's answered a question about subscribers, and just said 150k without saying subscribers or registered users.I'm inclined to believe he means registered users, rather than making a switch from saying 150k registered users to 150k subscribers. Because that implies they have a 100% retention rate.
Do let me know if I'm ever wrong though and Brad actually uses the word "subscriber" for once.
So you're inclined to not believe him, as is your right. But don't claim he's saying something different, because he's not. He's answering a question about SUBSCRIPTIONS, not Registered Users.
That said, I've never seen him post about 150k Registered Users, please provide a link and thanks in advance.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
I don't believe anything Sigil or brad says anymore rofl.
Why can't he just give the numbers? Because they're so bad?
I see 60k toons above lvl 5...................60k only............including people that have quit.........I'm not surprised servers are empty at all really lol.
You do know that with 500,000 toons with 150,000 actual players is actually a bad sign dont you?
That means every single player has 3.333 other characters or "alts." Creating this many alts this early in the stage of a released MMO tells me that people have already growned bored or exploring other possibilities in the game.
Usually, people who create alts usually maxed their other player or is interesting in seeing what other classes do. Others create the alts because their becoming bored.
However, in any, case, 1 person creating 7 alts doesnt mean the game is growing. You want to count "PAID" subscribers. No alts, no buddy passes...just the paid subscribers.
There's only 62.065 toons that are lvl 5-50.
Those include people that have quit.
Probably a fair amount of those are alts.
I don't know how Brad even gets 150k subscribers.
So 100.000 subscribers are under lvl 5 or something?? .... uhm
As of today there are 327,127 toons between Adventuring Levels 5-50. That does not include the Dedicated Crafters that are bellow LVL 5.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Can he prove he has 150k subs? No.
YES, HE CAN.
But why would I need to? They've said what their subs are, opennly. They've also said, quite honestly, they aren't as high as they had hoped. THEY WOULD KNOW.
Just sitting there making up facts to fight what Sigil says isn't fact. What IS known is that the President of Sigil has announced the subs, and no people claim he's lying just because they don't agree with the numbers? What do you want, them to change their numbers to make you happy? Or maybe they should hire an independant auditing firm to confirm them... come on.
Where did he announce 150,000 'subscribers'? I've seen 150,000 'registered users', but not 'subscribers'.Link me up, and thanks in advance.
Here is the link CLICKY4U
He's answering a direct question about Subs, as you can see, not registered users.
The first time he answered a question about subscribers, he said 150k registered users. This time he's answered a question about subscribers, and just said 150k without saying subscribers or registered users.I'm inclined to believe he means registered users, rather than making a switch from saying 150k registered users to 150k subscribers. Because that implies they have a 100% retention rate.
Do let me know if I'm ever wrong though and Brad actually uses the word "subscriber" for once.
So you're inclined to not believe him, as is your right. But don't claim he's saying something different, because he's not. He's answering a question about SUBSCRIPTIONS, not Registered Users.
That said, I've never seen him post about 150k Registered Users, please provide a link and thanks in advance.
I'm claiming he said something different, because he did.http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/118629/page/10
This thread is all about subscriptions too, but scroll down and you'll see that he responded with 'registered users'.
Are you not inclined to believe the 150k figure he gave in the thread you linked me to, means registered users as well? I mean in one instance of him responding to a thread about subscriptions, he's said 150k registered users, in another he's said just 150k. You're saying it's more reasonable to believe in a week in a half, they've not only reached 150k registered users, they've maintained a 100% retention rate?
I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I'm being quite logical in the absence of Brad outright saying anything different.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Bravo to the OP on this thread. It caused such an impact that the "fun" stopped on all VG servers and caused VG players to comment on this thread.
SOE doesn't release numbers on crappy games. Everyone, Vanboi or not, should already know this by now.
Sheesh, what's with you people? Are you THAT new to the MMO industry?
Ok since you asked lol.
"Vanguard will be a 3rd generation MMORPG."
"Vanguard will be able to run on most systems."
"90 day FREE station player acces"
etc..
Ok since you asked lol.
"Vanguard will be a 3rd generation MMORPG."
"Vanguard will be able to run on most systems."
"90 day FREE station player acces"
etc..
You forgot
"This game will not release until it is finished".