I am neither a fan nor do I play Vanguard but I'm sorry there is a difference between constructive criticism and what you 90% of you guys post. I agree that when holding a discussion on a game you need to bring up the good and the bad but flooding these fan websites is intolerable and I am happy that they are taking a stand. These are fan websites and people like you guys need to back off. If you hate it so much step away and get on with your life and let these people do their thing. They don't want to have to listen to your complaining every single day about how much you hate the game.
Honestly I have no problem with Vanguard fans, they have a right to get defensive when you flood their boards and attack their game. You guys are the problem and you need to just chill out. You had your say, the press had their say, the game has been out for months now, just lets lay it to rest. Just leave the community alone and go on with your life.
It has almost become an obsession for people to go from bad game to bad game critizing the game and the community itself. It really needs to stop. You are allowed your opinion but enough is enough.
Oh and don't give me that "I am protecting potential future customers from making the same mistake because:
A. Most of you don't care enough about other people to be that generous.
B. If the person if that concerned about the quality of the product they will read the reviews which obviously speaks for itself
C. If they still purchase the product more power to them
Nothing some random stranger can say will sway another persons opinion.
So just to sum it all up leave Sigil, Brad, SOE, Vanguard and its community alone and do whatever it is you guys do when you are not complaining about something.
Thank you
But what would we all that post here regularly, fan and hater alike, do while we're at work? Or after work, as I'd wager there's a good number of us that aren't playing any of the current MMO's and are just waiting around for one of the soon to be released games to hit the shelves. And start the cycle of hater/fanboi flamefest all over again.
And truthfully, the VG forum here isn't all that bad, even on it's worst days. Go check the SWG forum if you want to see bad. The angst level there is physically palpable.
Though I went on a tangent my point is, fan forums are meant for fans to discuss a game. If you hate it so much why not create a discussion board for others who feel the same as you? I understand it's great to discuss a game, even the bad, but if you have absolutely no interest in the development of the game then you have no right to hijack a community board just to cause grief and insult the players.
You say it's not that bad here but I feel like every thread (whether for or against the game), attracts these trolls that just won't give up. It's almost as bad a the Dark and Light forums.
I know MMORPG.com wants to allow a certain amount of freedom of expression, but I think they need to better distinguish between what's approtiate and what is not. If fans of the game don't feel comfortable enough to discuss their game in its forum something is wrong.
Though I went on a tangent my point is, fan forums are meant for fans to discuss a game. If you hate it so much why not create a discussion board for others who feel the same as you? I understand it's great to discuss a game, even the bad, but if you have absolutely no interest in the development of the game then you have no right to hijack a community board just to cause grief and insult the players. You say it's not that bad here but I feel like every thread (whether for or against the game), attracts these trolls that just won't give up. It's almost as bad a the Dark and Light forums. I know MMORPG.com wants to allow a certain amount of freedom of expression, but I think they need to better distinguish between what's approtiate and what is not. If fans of the game don't feel comfortable enough to discuss their game in its forum something is wrong.
I think you have a misunderstanding. MMORPG.com is not a Vanguard affiliate site or a Vansite. The purpose of this forums is to discuss about Vanguard, but "not" necessarily to create an environment where the fans of this game feel comfortable to discuss their game. For that, you need to go to a Fan site. This is not one.
If you would like to see such a board, there are VG affiliate sites such as SilkyVenom.com.
And please, don't start on what is appropriate or not. For you, what is not appropriate is the game being criticized or bashed. For me, what is not appropriate is rosy lies about a game from very obvious viral marketers.
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Originally posted by pb1285n Though I went on a tangent my point is, fan forums are meant for fans to discuss a game. If you hate it so much why not create a discussion board for others who feel the same as you? I understand it's great to discuss a game, even the bad, but if you have absolutely no interest in the development of the game then you have no right to hijack a community board just to cause grief and insult the players. You say it's not that bad here but I feel like every thread (whether for or against the game), attracts these trolls that just won't give up. It's almost as bad a the Dark and Light forums. I know MMORPG.com wants to allow a certain amount of freedom of expression, but I think they need to better distinguish between what's approtiate and what is not. If fans of the game don't feel comfortable enough to discuss their game in its forum something is wrong.
As Markaj said, this is not a fansite. This is an MMO site, for discussing any and all MMOs. Which is why I prefer it. If I want specific info on a given game, I'll hit up their official forums, or thottbot, allakhazams, or whatever.
That said, I don't hate the game. Not ecstatic about it either, though. There's things about VG I agree with, and things I don't.
The thing is, most of us bickering here are like the two old men sitting in the balconey on the Muppet Show. It's all we have left. At least until LotRO releases, then it will be the focus of everyones attention.
Simply speechless, , this game is by far one of the worst managed games , ever.
eh..I wouldnt say that.
Mourning was
I think one of is the key word here, there have been a few others that have been much worse. SWG, Horizons and let us not forget the wonderful Dark and Light. This has got to be the most high profile and expensive train wreck in MMO history however, I know I would not want to be McQuaid or Smedley right now.
Originally posted by Rattrap
I was never banned on mmorpg.com in more than 3 years
Than i am suddenly banned twice - and all this for posts in which i spoke negatevly of Vanguard
What a coincidence
Same here. I have had 2 bans in the last 2 months and that is after three years+ of posting where I had never recieved anything except one warning and that was on a Dark and Light thread derailment. Both have been due to responding to Vanguard fan boys. The site here might not be giving into the pressure but I bet a paycheck SOE and Sigil are trying their best to shut people up.
You people are a bunch of gimps. Go to Silky Venom right now and you will see a whole host of negative comments and complaints against Vanguard as well as a dev tracker where the devs often respond to those complaints. This happens on a daily basis. It is utter BS that Sigil or any company is censoring forums. I mention Silky Venom because it is the most popular VG forum on the Internet.
Silky Venom bans IP adresses. They ban 2k range IP adresses, just so people won't post any longer.
"Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address."
Me and 2 friends, and lots of people I know can't post there anymore, we can't acces the site any more, even if we changed our IP adress, because we said something negative pre-launch about the game being unfinished.
Tentonhammer throws every negative post on another forum, you won't find ANY negative post on tenton in the main forums not one!
This is from Brad from tentonhammer forums, after some guy just posted a negative review of VG, I can only imagine what "Brad" asks from mods in PM's:
"Is this ok with the moderators? If this person has commited himself to post here in order to try to get people not to buy the game, I likely have an issue with that."
EDIT: I'd say there's a lot of leeway in what constitutes a constructive post, but I think most people here, whether they're for or against the game, recognize the difference between a worthwhile post, and one that's just pointless, if they're being honest about it.
Right on bro. I think the silent majority who read a lot and post relatively little can see the difference between credible information and flame bait. It doesn't take long to build up a memory of who's posts fall into each category either
Though I went on a tangent my point is, fan forums are meant for fans to discuss a game. If you hate it so much why not create a discussion board for others who feel the same as you? I understand it's great to discuss a game, even the bad, but if you have absolutely no interest in the development of the game then you have no right to hijack a community board just to cause grief and insult the players. You say it's not that bad here but I feel like every thread (whether for or against the game), attracts these trolls that just won't give up. It's almost as bad a the Dark and Light forums. I know MMORPG.com wants to allow a certain amount of freedom of expression, but I think they need to better distinguish between what's approtiate and what is not. If fans of the game don't feel comfortable enough to discuss their game in its forum something is wrong.
I think you have a misunderstanding. MMORPG.com is not a Vanguard affiliate site or a Vansite. The purpose of this forums is to discuss about Vanguard, but "not" necessarily to create an environment where the fans of this game feel comfortable to discuss their game. For that, you need to go to a Fan site. This is not one. If you would like to see such a board, there are VG affiliate sites such as SilkyVenom.com. And please, don't start on what is appropriate or not. For you, what is not appropriate is the game being criticized or bashed. For me, what is not appropriate is rosy lies about a game from very obvious viral marketers.
I'm sorry but I thought this post was about fansites doing just that? Oh and there is a big difference between discussing the game and just dissing it. Oh and when I say an approriate post I mean a constructive, meaningful post and not just a flame. Do you read any of the posts in the topic? How can you tell me with a straight face that this forum is for discussing Vanguard? There is no discussing going on here. The idea of a discussion is almost funny.
Every other thread is "Vanguard sucks! lol" and those threads that try and discuss the good qualities of it or discuss anything other then how bad it is is hijacked and turned into a mudslinging fight. You should know you post in most of them. The Vanguard fans have no choice but to get defensive because everytime they speak up they get insulted by the little Vanhater mafia who is intent on bringing the morale of this forum down. Then they get annoyed that the aren't being invited with open arms to the fansite forums.
I'm sorry but I thought this post was about fansites doing just that?
Oh and there is a big difference between discussing the game and just dissing it. Oh and when I say an approriate post I mean a constructive, meaningful post and not just a flame. Do you read any of the posts in the topic? How can you tell me with a straight face that this forum is for discussing Vanguard? There is no discussing going on here. The idea of a discussion is almost funny. Every other thread is "Vanguard sucks! lol" and those threads that try and discuss the good qualities of it or discuss anything other then how bad it is is hijacked and turned into a mudslinging fight. You should know you post in most of them.
The Vanguard fans have no choice but to get defensive because everytime they speak up they get insulted by the little Vanhater mafia who is intent on bringing the morale of this forum down. Then they get annoyed that the aren't being invited with open arms to the fansite forums. I just find it quite amusing, sorry.
My first personal standard in posts is whether it is "truthful" and not necessarily whether it is "constructive". Don't misunderstand me; constructive is a big bonus if it is truthful.
I am very sorry if you have had the impression that Vanguard fans are not invited with open arms. Of course, they are very welcome. Granted that they don't try to sell the game with absolute rosy bs propaganda. Actually, I don't post unless I see such posts.
Also, take into consideration that most of us have been following the game for years, beta tested it for a long while, played it and actually tried really hard to enjoy it. So, do you want to be respected? Respect our experience as much as yours.
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LOL... I love that someone who talks that way to a Mod is surprised they get banned, ROFLMAO...
I also love how he's convinced Brad is his nemesis... like he's the Hero in some story, and Brad actually gives a damn about him, lol...
So let me get this straight: They're claiming Sigil / Brad own TTH, SV & FoH? Or, are they saying they're bribing them, or something like that? I'm confused as to the point of this guy's rant.
That said, if someone thinks they own or control these sites, read them, lol... I guess they own this site too, I mean, look at all of the negative posts that get removed...
I also don't understand why people like this guy are surprised their threads get deleted, when all they show is their ability to rant & curse. There are MANY negative threads on SV, some even stickied, and if you don't believe me, have a look for yourself... LOL
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
It is a fact. Yes. A fact. SIGIL, Brad is in an aggressive campaign to censure those critical of Vanguard.
Brad is a greed-head and an incompetent game designer.
I was a victim of being banned, in fact . Further, from wikipedia to other sites, there is a campaign to censure those critical of Vanguard. I am not aware of any bias whatsoever at mmorpg.com.
Edit: I was banned on ton ten hammer, had several posts of Vanguard edited, moved, and removed until I was banned.
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned.
It is a fact. Yes. A fact. SIGIL, Brad is in an aggressive campaign to censure those critical of Vanguard.
Brad is a greed-head and an incompetent game designer.
I was a victim of being banned, in fact . Further, from wikipedia to other sites, there is a campaign to censure those critical of Vanguard. I am not aware of any bias whatsoever at mmorpg.com.
Edit: I was banned on ton ten hammer, had several posts of Vanguard edited, moved, and removed until I was banned.
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned.
I don't know the full extent to which this is actually a problem, and I'm too lazy to check. But I am of the opinion that forums should not practice censorship on anyone that follows the rules. General rules like, no personal insults, or no racist slurs.
However, when you start deciding what is "constructive" and what is not, you cross a line. What is a meaningful post on the problems with the visuals to one person, might come off as inflamitory trolling to another. If someone says, "this game isn't worth your subscription fee," is that helpful or mere ranting?
By taking actions based on a subjective variable, you open the forums to censorship based on personal prejudice. And it only hurts the community, instead of helping it.
Seriously. It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
Originally posted by MX13 So let me get this straight: They're claiming Sigil / Brad own TTH, SV & FoH? Or, are they saying they're bribing them, or something like that? I'm confused as to the point of this guy's rant.
Ill try to clear some thngs up for you.
Sigil and Brad does not own TTH and SV, but Brad used to be part of FoH as a Guild officer so clearly, FoH will have heavy censorship on their forums.
TTH and SV are forums that the Developers regularly visit because Vanguard does not have official forums of their own (which is downright retarded imo). When you have Developers visiting your fansite every single day, you're gonna tend to shut up the naysayers. Ive seen it first hand in SilkyVenom. If you don't believe this, go over there right now and browse the general discussion forums.
While Sigil does not own TTH and SV, they sure as hell have an impact on it by using it as their platform to communicate to the remaining players.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I am not sure whether the stuff said in this thread is true or not... So I find myself having to take it for a grain of salt. I really don't like some of Sigil's alleged practices, and find them rather unbelievable (as in hard to believe) but if they are indeed true I am glad the company will never be in any position of power.
One thing I will say though, Mr Mcquaid is a fan of viral marketing, as long as it is in his favour it seems (at least as eluded to by rumour threads such as this). Control the market by making a great product that people perceive as a need, not by releasing crap and unsuccessfully making up for it by censoring negative opinions.
I'm sorry but I thought this post was about fansites doing just that?
Oh and there is a big difference between discussing the game and just dissing it. Oh and when I say an approriate post I mean a constructive, meaningful post and not just a flame. Do you read any of the posts in the topic? How can you tell me with a straight face that this forum is for discussing Vanguard? There is no discussing going on here. The idea of a discussion is almost funny. Every other thread is "Vanguard sucks! lol" and those threads that try and discuss the good qualities of it or discuss anything other then how bad it is is hijacked and turned into a mudslinging fight. You should know you post in most of them.
The Vanguard fans have no choice but to get defensive because everytime they speak up they get insulted by the little Vanhater mafia who is intent on bringing the morale of this forum down. Then they get annoyed that the aren't being invited with open arms to the fansite forums. I just find it quite amusing, sorry.
My first personal standard in posts is whether it is "truthful" and not necessarily whether it is "constructive". Don't misunderstand me; constructive is a big bonus if it is truthful.
I am very sorry if you have had the impression that Vanguard fans are not invited with open arms. Of course, they are very welcome. Granted that they don't try to sell the game with absolute rosy bs propaganda. Actually, I don't post unless I see such posts.
Also, take into consideration that most of us have been following the game for years, beta tested it for a long while, played it and actually tried really hard to enjoy it. So, do you want to be respected? Respect our experience as much as yours.
I'm sorry but something can be truthful and still should not be posted. I can go over to off topic and post "I hate George Bush because he sucks and he went to war and he's republican and stupid." In someone's eyes it might be the truth, but it doesn't belong being posted because
A. It is not thought out at all
B. Contains no subject matter to discuss
C. Has been discussed too many times to count
D. Is flamebait for anyone who supports him
That is basically what is happening in the Vanguard forum. The same thing is being said over and over again by the same people and it's not even a worthwhile discussion. All it is is "Vanguard sucks!" "I agree lol" "YES VANGUARD IS THE SUCKIEST!!!!1" "but I like Vanguard, it's the bestest" "Stupid fanboy, I bet you work for SOE" "You suck, Vanguard sucks" "Yeah Vanguard sucks lol! Play LOTRO because it is the most awsomest game around because it has hobbits and elves and stuff"
Oh and I have followed and beta tested this game for as long as alot of you, so don't try and pull that one on me. I understand that you are pissed that a game that you thought had potential flopped. There is no reason to carry so much baggage and resentment toward something of such little importance and there is definitely no reason to take out your anger on the community since they did not do anything to you.
If you are that angry at the development company go bother them, though you might end up with a restraining order.
I'm sorry but something can be truthful and still should not be posted. I can go over to off topic and post "I hate George Bush because he sucks and he went to war and he's republican and stupid." In someone's eyes it might be the truth, but it doesn't belong being posted because A. It is not thought out at all B. Contains no subject matter to discuss C. Has been discussed too many times to count D. Is flamebait for anyone who supports him That is basically what is happening in the Vanguard forum. The same thing is being said over and over again by the same people and it's not even a worthwhile discussion. All it is is "Vanguard sucks!" "I agree lol" "YES VANGUARD IS THE SUCKIEST!!!!1" "but I like Vanguard, it's the bestest" "Stupid fanboy, I bet you work for SOE" "You suck, Vanguard sucks" "Yeah Vanguard sucks lol! Play LOTRO because it is the most awsomest game around because it has hobbits and elves and stuff" Oh and I have followed and beta tested this game for as long as alot of you, so don't try and pull that one on me. I understand that you are pissed that a game that you thought had potential flopped. There is no reason to carry so much baggage and resentment toward something of such little importance and there is definitely no reason to take out your anger on the community since they did not do anything to you. If you are that angry at the development company go bother them, though you might end up with a restraining order.
Your angst balloon has finally exploded! Are you satisfied now? Unfortunately, it will not change anything. If you only would like to hear VG praise and worship, you need to move to a Vansite. Good luck!
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Originally posted by pb1285n I'm sorry but something can be truthful and still should not be posted. That's more for the mods to decide, and I haven't seen any mods here deleting posts just because they're negative, or positive, so long as they're remotely on topic, and not total flamebait.So long as it falls within the RoC for posting, then it damn well should be posted, so long as it's ACTUALLY true, and has a verifiable source to back it up. Things that only exist in ones drug addled mind do not constitute reality.That is basically what is happening in the Vanguard forum. The same thing is being said over and over again by the same people and it's not even a worthwhile discussion. All it is is "Vanguard sucks!" "I agree lol" "YES VANGUARD IS THE SUCKIEST!!!!1" "but I like Vanguard, it's the bestest" "Stupid fanboy, I bet you work for SOE" "You suck, Vanguard sucks" "Yeah Vanguard sucks lol! Play LOTRO because it is the most awsomest game around because it has hobbits and elves and stuff"If you find the conversation here, or the lack thereof as you put it, so untenable, then perhaps your Vanguard fix would be better served at another site, where, supposedly, dissention of any kind is squelched, and everyone can line up to fellate McQuaid, the game, and each other without being interrupted by those big meanies what don't like the game. Oh and I have followed and beta tested this game for as long as alot of you, so don't try and pull that one on me. I understand that you are pissed that a game that you thought had potential flopped. There is no reason to carry so much baggage and resentment toward something of such little importance and there is definitely no reason to take out your anger on the community since they did not do anything to you. If you are that angry at the development company go bother them, though you might end up with a restraining order.
I'm not angry at the dev team, as a matter of fact, I have defended them from what is, I feel, unfair criticism better directed at McQuaid, and the Team Leads(feel free to ignore that little point if it gets in the way of any future posts, btw.) I'm simply tired of conspiracy theorists claiming their posts where deleted for no reason, etc. I'm equally annoyed by fanbois egging powerhungry mods on, espousing the idea that there should be no discussion of anything related to the game that doesn't involve sunshine and puppies.
The "VG sucks WHAAA!" thread This one really looks like censorship to me. Someone should contact Alberto Gonzales immediately to inform him of this flagrant violation of our First Amendment rights.
Now, if you got in a shouting match with the mods, then yeah, they may just have removed your thread/posts, 'cause you're a dumbass. Otherwise, you'll probably find your keenly insightful post in the Volcano, or in the Suxx/Roxx threads. But don't let that stop you. Straighten up your tinfoil hat, and make another post about how they delete every post on SV.
And for the last bloody time, FOHGuild.org is a PRIVATE GUILD FORUMS. IT IS NOT A GODDAMNED AFFILIATE SITE. Keep repeating it till it sinks in.
They used to allow anyone to register, and post there, back in the EQ days, pre-WoW, but it became a complete cesspool, so they closed registration.
It is a fact. Yes. A fact. SIGIL, Brad is in an aggressive campaign to censure those critical of Vanguard.
Brad is a greed-head and an incompetent game designer.
I was a victim of being banned, in fact . Further, from wikipedia to other sites, there is a campaign to censure those critical of Vanguard. I am not aware of any bias whatsoever at mmorpg.com.
Edit: I was banned on ton ten hammer, had several posts of Vanguard edited, moved, and removed until I was banned.
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned.
As it has been said before, the drama surrounding Vanguard is better than a soap opera.
Errrr...aaaa....
1) That's not TTH.
2) That post said nothing about no negative posts, it said no non-constructive posts or rants.
Yea we corrected that a few pages back. Just some misc website to me. My buddy goes there and his posts get deleted now.If your Bud's posts are not ranting, inflamatory or non-constructive, that rediculous. Not everyone has to love the game, and they should be allowed to say their piece.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
Originally posted by MX13 So let me get this straight: They're claiming Sigil / Brad own TTH, SV & FoH? Or, are they saying they're bribing them, or something like that? I'm confused as to the point of this guy's rant.
Ill try to clear some thngs up for you.
Sigil and Brad does not own TTH and SV, but Brad used to be part of FoH as a Guild officer so clearly, FoH will have heavy censorship on their forums.
TTH and SV are forums that the Developers regularly visit because Vanguard does not have official forums of their own (which is downright retarded imo). When you have Developers visiting your fansite every single day, you're gonna tend to shut up the naysayers. Ive seen it first hand in SilkyVenom. If you don't believe this, go over there right now and browse the general discussion forums.
While Sigil does not own TTH and SV, they sure as hell have an impact on it by using it as their platform to communicate to the remaining players.
Well said, and I do agree. What you're refering to is the reality, which I would agree with & have seen with my own eyes. I was refering to what the OP's point was, which still isn't clear to me.
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Than i am suddenly banned twice - and all this for posts in which i spoke negatevly of Vanguard
What a coincidence
"Before this battle is over all the world will know that few...stood against many." - King Leonidas
But what would we all that post here regularly, fan and hater alike, do while we're at work? Or after work, as I'd wager there's a good number of us that aren't playing any of the current MMO's and are just waiting around for one of the soon to be released games to hit the shelves. And start the cycle of hater/fanboi flamefest all over again.
And truthfully, the VG forum here isn't all that bad, even on it's worst days. Go check the SWG forum if you want to see bad. The angst level there is physically palpable.
Though I went on a tangent my point is, fan forums are meant for fans to discuss a game. If you hate it so much why not create a discussion board for others who feel the same as you? I understand it's great to discuss a game, even the bad, but if you have absolutely no interest in the development of the game then you have no right to hijack a community board just to cause grief and insult the players.
You say it's not that bad here but I feel like every thread (whether for or against the game), attracts these trolls that just won't give up. It's almost as bad a the Dark and Light forums.
I know MMORPG.com wants to allow a certain amount of freedom of expression, but I think they need to better distinguish between what's approtiate and what is not. If fans of the game don't feel comfortable enough to discuss their game in its forum something is wrong.
I think you have a misunderstanding. MMORPG.com is not a Vanguard affiliate site or a Vansite. The purpose of this forums is to discuss about Vanguard, but "not" necessarily to create an environment where the fans of this game feel comfortable to discuss their game. For that, you need to go to a Fan site. This is not one.
If you would like to see such a board, there are VG affiliate sites such as SilkyVenom.com.
And please, don't start on what is appropriate or not. For you, what is not appropriate is the game being criticized or bashed. For me, what is not appropriate is rosy lies about a game from very obvious viral marketers.
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As Markaj said, this is not a fansite. This is an MMO site, for discussing any and all MMOs.
Which is why I prefer it. If I want specific info on a given game, I'll hit up their official forums, or thottbot, allakhazams, or whatever.
That said, I don't hate the game. Not ecstatic about it either, though. There's things about VG I agree with, and things I don't.
The thing is, most of us bickering here are like the two old men sitting in the balconey on the Muppet Show. It's all we have left. At least until LotRO releases, then it will be the focus of everyones attention.
eh..I wouldnt say that.
Mourning was
I think one of is the key word here, there have been a few others that have been much worse. SWG, Horizons and let us not forget the wonderful Dark and Light. This has got to be the most high profile and expensive train wreck in MMO history however, I know I would not want to be McQuaid or Smedley right now.
Same here. I have had 2 bans in the last 2 months and that is after three years+ of posting where I had never recieved anything except one warning and that was on a Dark and Light thread derailment. Both have been due to responding to Vanguard fan boys. The site here might not be giving into the pressure but I bet a paycheck SOE and Sigil are trying their best to shut people up.
I miss DAoC
Silky Venom bans IP adresses. They ban 2k range IP adresses, just so people won't post any longer.
"Sorry. The administrator has banned your IP address."
Me and 2 friends, and lots of people I know can't post there anymore, we can't acces the site any more, even if we changed our IP adress, because we said something negative pre-launch about the game being unfinished.
Tentonhammer throws every negative post on another forum, you won't find ANY negative post on tenton in the main forums not one!
This is from Brad from tentonhammer forums, after some guy just posted a negative review of VG, I can only imagine what "Brad" asks from mods in PM's:
BTW, the site brad posts the most is FoH, can anyone even post there??
I registered there once and they "review" if you can post or not and are put in a que and have to be a FoH member or someone recommending you.
I mean wtf..how is that a free forum when noone is alloud to post.
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EDIT: I'd say there's a lot of leeway in what constitutes a constructive post, but I think most people here, whether they're for or against the game, recognize the difference between a worthwhile post, and one that's just pointless, if they're being honest about it.
Right on bro. I think the silent majority who read a lot and post relatively little can see the difference between credible information and flame bait. It doesn't take long to build up a memory of who's posts fall into each category either
I'm sorry but I thought this post was about fansites doing just that?
Oh and there is a big difference between discussing the game and just dissing it. Oh and when I say an approriate post I mean a constructive, meaningful post and not just a flame. Do you read any of the posts in the topic? How can you tell me with a straight face that this forum is for discussing Vanguard? There is no discussing going on here. The idea of a discussion is almost funny.
Every other thread is "Vanguard sucks! lol" and those threads that try and discuss the good qualities of it or discuss anything other then how bad it is is hijacked and turned into a mudslinging fight. You should know you post in most of them.
The Vanguard fans have no choice but to get defensive because everytime they speak up they get insulted by the little Vanhater mafia who is intent on bringing the morale of this forum down. Then they get annoyed that the aren't being invited with open arms to the fansite forums.
I just find it quite amusing, sorry.
My first personal standard in posts is whether it is "truthful" and not necessarily whether it is "constructive". Don't misunderstand me; constructive is a big bonus if it is truthful.
I am very sorry if you have had the impression that Vanguard fans are not invited with open arms. Of course, they are very welcome. Granted that they don't try to sell the game with absolute rosy bs propaganda. Actually, I don't post unless I see such posts.
Also, take into consideration that most of us have been following the game for years, beta tested it for a long while, played it and actually tried really hard to enjoy it. So, do you want to be respected? Respect our experience as much as yours.
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
LOL... I love that someone who talks that way to a Mod is surprised they get banned, ROFLMAO...
I also love how he's convinced Brad is his nemesis... like he's the Hero in some story, and Brad actually gives a damn about him, lol...
So let me get this straight: They're claiming Sigil / Brad own TTH, SV & FoH? Or, are they saying they're bribing them, or something like that? I'm confused as to the point of this guy's rant.
That said, if someone thinks they own or control these sites, read them, lol... I guess they own this site too, I mean, look at all of the negative posts that get removed...
I also don't understand why people like this guy are surprised their threads get deleted, when all they show is their ability to rant & curse. There are MANY negative threads on SV, some even stickied, and if you don't believe me, have a look for yourself... LOL
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned.
http://vnboards.ign.com/vanguard_saga_of_heroes_general_board/b22523/102054715/p1/?143
As it has been said before, the drama surrounding Vanguard is better than a soap opera.
Errrr...aaaa....
1) That's not TTH.
2) That post said nothing about no negative posts, it said no non-constructive posts or rants.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned.
http://vnboards.ign.com/vanguard_saga_of_heroes_general_board/b22523/102054715/p1/?143
As it has been said before, the drama surrounding Vanguard is better than a soap opera.
Errrr...aaaa....
1) That's not TTH.
2) That post said nothing about no negative posts, it said no non-constructive posts or rants.
Yea we corrected that a few pages back. Just some misc website to me. My buddy goes there and his posts get deleted now.
I don't know the full extent to which this is actually a problem, and I'm too lazy to check. But I am of the opinion that forums should not practice censorship on anyone that follows the rules. General rules like, no personal insults, or no racist slurs.
However, when you start deciding what is "constructive" and what is not, you cross a line. What is a meaningful post on the problems with the visuals to one person, might come off as inflamitory trolling to another. If someone says, "this game isn't worth your subscription fee," is that helpful or mere ranting?
By taking actions based on a subjective variable, you open the forums to censorship based on personal prejudice. And it only hurts the community, instead of helping it.
Seriously.
It's Are'el. This forum doesn't allow apostrophes in usernames.
Ill try to clear some thngs up for you.
Sigil and Brad does not own TTH and SV, but Brad used to be part of FoH as a Guild officer so clearly, FoH will have heavy censorship on their forums.
TTH and SV are forums that the Developers regularly visit because Vanguard does not have official forums of their own (which is downright retarded imo). When you have Developers visiting your fansite every single day, you're gonna tend to shut up the naysayers. Ive seen it first hand in SilkyVenom. If you don't believe this, go over there right now and browse the general discussion forums.
While Sigil does not own TTH and SV, they sure as hell have an impact on it by using it as their platform to communicate to the remaining players.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
One thing I will say though, Mr Mcquaid is a fan of viral marketing, as long as it is in his favour it seems (at least as eluded to by rumour threads such as this). Control the market by making a great product that people perceive as a need, not by releasing crap and unsuccessfully making up for it by censoring negative opinions.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
My first personal standard in posts is whether it is "truthful" and not necessarily whether it is "constructive". Don't misunderstand me; constructive is a big bonus if it is truthful.
I am very sorry if you have had the impression that Vanguard fans are not invited with open arms. Of course, they are very welcome. Granted that they don't try to sell the game with absolute rosy bs propaganda. Actually, I don't post unless I see such posts.
Also, take into consideration that most of us have been following the game for years, beta tested it for a long while, played it and actually tried really hard to enjoy it. So, do you want to be respected? Respect our experience as much as yours.
I'm sorry but something can be truthful and still should not be posted. I can go over to off topic and post "I hate George Bush because he sucks and he went to war and he's republican and stupid." In someone's eyes it might be the truth, but it doesn't belong being posted because
A. It is not thought out at all
B. Contains no subject matter to discuss
C. Has been discussed too many times to count
D. Is flamebait for anyone who supports him
That is basically what is happening in the Vanguard forum. The same thing is being said over and over again by the same people and it's not even a worthwhile discussion. All it is is "Vanguard sucks!" "I agree lol" "YES VANGUARD IS THE SUCKIEST!!!!1" "but I like Vanguard, it's the bestest" "Stupid fanboy, I bet you work for SOE" "You suck, Vanguard sucks" "Yeah Vanguard sucks lol! Play LOTRO because it is the most awsomest game around because it has hobbits and elves and stuff"
Oh and I have followed and beta tested this game for as long as alot of you, so don't try and pull that one on me. I understand that you are pissed that a game that you thought had potential flopped. There is no reason to carry so much baggage and resentment toward something of such little importance and there is definitely no reason to take out your anger on the community since they did not do anything to you.
If you are that angry at the development company go bother them, though you might end up with a restraining order.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
I'm not angry at the dev team, as a matter of fact, I have defended them from what is, I feel, unfair criticism better directed at McQuaid, and the Team Leads(feel free to ignore that little point if it gets in the way of any future posts, btw.) I'm simply tired of conspiracy theorists claiming their posts where deleted for no reason, etc. I'm equally annoyed by fanbois egging powerhungry mods on, espousing the idea that there should be no discussion of anything related to the game that doesn't involve sunshine and puppies.
So I popped into Silky Venom, since everyone claims that the mods there touched them somewhere naughty.
Went to general forums.
And right there, stickied, are a couple posts.
The "Why I'm Leaving" Thread.
The "VG sucks WHAAA!" thread This one really looks like censorship to me. Someone should contact Alberto Gonzales immediately to inform him of this flagrant violation of our First Amendment rights.
And lastly, The "VG Rocks, YAY!" thread
Now, if you got in a shouting match with the mods, then yeah, they may just have removed your thread/posts, 'cause you're a dumbass. Otherwise, you'll probably find your keenly insightful post in the Volcano, or in the Suxx/Roxx threads. But don't let that stop you. Straighten up your tinfoil hat, and make another post about how they delete every post on SV.
And for the last bloody time, FOHGuild.org is a PRIVATE GUILD FORUMS. IT IS NOT A GODDAMNED AFFILIATE SITE. Keep repeating it till it sinks in.
They used to allow anyone to register, and post there, back in the EQ days, pre-WoW, but it became a complete cesspool, so they closed registration.
LMAO
eqnext.wikia.com
It is also interesting that Ten Ton Hammer just went to a "No Negative post" policy for Vanguard. Post negative stuff over there and it will be deleted or you will be banned.
http://vnboards.ign.com/vanguard_saga_of_heroes_general_board/b22523/102054715/p1/?143
As it has been said before, the drama surrounding Vanguard is better than a soap opera.
Errrr...aaaa....
1) That's not TTH.
2) That post said nothing about no negative posts, it said no non-constructive posts or rants.
Yea we corrected that a few pages back. Just some misc website to me. My buddy goes there and his posts get deleted now.If your Bud's posts are not ranting, inflamatory or non-constructive, that rediculous. Not everyone has to love the game, and they should be allowed to say their piece.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!
Ill try to clear some thngs up for you.
Sigil and Brad does not own TTH and SV, but Brad used to be part of FoH as a Guild officer so clearly, FoH will have heavy censorship on their forums.
TTH and SV are forums that the Developers regularly visit because Vanguard does not have official forums of their own (which is downright retarded imo). When you have Developers visiting your fansite every single day, you're gonna tend to shut up the naysayers. Ive seen it first hand in SilkyVenom. If you don't believe this, go over there right now and browse the general discussion forums.
While Sigil does not own TTH and SV, they sure as hell have an impact on it by using it as their platform to communicate to the remaining players.
Well said, and I do agree. What you're refering to is the reality, which I would agree with & have seen with my own eyes. I was refering to what the OP's point was, which still isn't clear to me.
I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!
In fact, forget the SWG!!!!