And after you've answered that question ask yourself these:
What was the most "skillful" thing you did in WoW? Nothing? Ok... What was the most skillful thing you did in another MMO? I'd be interested to hear the answers. Chances are I've done it too and I'm very interested to see why what you did was considered more skillful.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
All I can say is that your arguing to the point that there's nothing to argue about anymore, half the things that have been said (by me at least) aren't anything to do with what your talking about, your just arguing for the sake of arguing now and I should have realized that from the start, that's why I hate people who just constantly seem to think that WoW is the 'best' game, there is no best game, it is up to the person to decide what is 'their' best game not another person who they don't even know, just give it up I'm getting rather tired of all of this, not only is it just getting annoying now, but there's no point, so I'm not even bother going to try arguing, flaunt your 'victory' around however you like, I win because I can walk away and accept, you lose because you clearly can't accept that people have their own preferences or at least you seem to be making it seem that way with the way you post
Constant raiding and grinding is not my thing, deal with it, even crafting games like a tale in the desert and Myst is looking tempting now because they have something new, not just constantly killing things over and over, no wonder there are news reports about people in WoW being all weird after they've played it for however so long.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
All I can say is that your arguing to the point that there's nothing to argue about anymore, half the things that have been said (by me at least) aren't anything to do with what your talking about, your just arguing for the sake of arguing now and I should have realized that from the start, that's why I hate people who just constantly seem to think that WoW is the 'best' game, there is no best game, it is up to the person to decide what is 'their' best game not another person who they don't even know, just give it up I'm getting rather tired of all of this, not only is it just getting annoying now, but there's no point, so I'm not even bother going to try arguing, flaunt your 'victory' around however you like, I win because I can walk away and accept, you lose because you clearly can't accept that people have their own preferences or at least you seem to be making it seem that way with the way you post
Constant raiding and grinding is not my thing, deal with it, even crafting games like a tale in the desert and Myst is looking tempting now because they have something new, not just constantly killing things over and over, no wonder there are news reports about people in WoW being all weird after they've played it for however so long.
You accuse me of arguing points you aren't making; the answer to that is obvious: Not all the the points made that I'm arguing are yours - there are other people here. In fact I very succinctly refuted every one of your points and it would appear now that you've conceded and now you're just sulking.
You refused to answer my question relating to the way this whole thread started, and that's how I know not only are your points completely false, but you can't keep track of what's being said in a debate with any degree of competence.
There is no 'victory' here because you haven't consumed (either refused or were unable to) a single word I that I wrote here.
And once again the question is avoided by the haters who have only lies to spread.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
And ones again you focus solely on the haters. Im really getting tired of this prejudice.
If people dont like the game then dont attack them because of that, they may not share your views regarding the game and just because they may not be able to defend their views when converted into your perspective doesnt mean that your right and they are wrong.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes" Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
Well honestly, there is no "best" game, that is based solely on opinion. Now I have played a couple mmo's over the years and I find that WoW fits me best. WoW is just about the only game I play besides UT2k4 and soon UT3, and I DO NOT think it is the best game at all. Yea I know WoW has its downsides but I haven't found an mmo to replace it. And WoW isn't as bad as people make it out to be with the expansion ruining it, I think it made it better IMO. But anyways people have a right to their opinion and that's fine, just don't go bashing other games when I'm sure the one you play isn't the "best".
And ones again you focus solely on the haters. Im really getting tired of this prejudice. If people dont like the game then dont attack them because of that, they may not share your views regarding the game and just because they may not be able to defend their views when converted into your perspective doesnt mean that your right and they are wrong.
I already defined what I perceived a "WoW hater" as, if you claim that you fit this definition, and take offense to being someone that spread lies and doesn't back up anything they say, then perhaps you should reconsider your position here.
Saying you dont like something about WoW doesn't make you a hater. You're just being deliberately obtuse, and I won't take the bait.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Actually, a few weeks ago I would have agreed with you. But I managed to break the spell. After 2 years of playing this game I am done. And once I realized I was done, the addiction released me. How did this happen? I realized I spent more time mad than happy. To much stuff goes on in the game that is just pissy. Mostly because there are too many players doing too many things that have too much negative impact on the game play experience of others. And the rest is stuff that Blizzard does intentionally. I think many casual, mature players are leaving WoW. Expect to see their numbers begin to dwindle. IMHO
i agree on this one. After a year or two, the spell breaks. And i have also realised that i spend too much time being mad than happy in the game.
Most mature players are getting fed up and are leaving because they crave something more. I have closed and re-opened my account on many occasions, mainly because i am searching for that alternative. I wouldn't be surprised that he day comes soon when I finally say, "Alright, enough is enough!"
To those who still enjoy it., Have fun. But to those who don't just move on. I don't see why either sides have to insult each other.
And so onto the question that WoW haters will not / cannot answer:
If you don't care about WoW, why are you in the World of Warcraft forums telling us how much we're wrong about it being the best MMO?
By your definition then, if I answer this question, I am no longer defined as a WoW hater, because if I were one, then I could not answer. Correct?
So here's the answer, despite the embolded text you put in your post (which is incorrect, and i'll explain why).
I don't care much about WoW, but I DO care about other MMOs, and other games in general. Now when someone says that "WoW is better than ALL OTHER GAMES" then that automatically means that all other games are WORSE. When you elevate the position of something relative to something else, then that something else's position falls accordingly.
It's the way things work. Now I've explained in bullet point fashion why I DON'T think WoW is the best MMO, or even in the top 5 list many times before in my previous posts, so go have a look at them. It's not like i'm coming here waving a bat hitting all you WoW lover-boys, i'm giving good reasons for my argument.
All you've been doing is acting like some sort of pedantic arbiter. What are you trying to do anyway? Defend a claim that WoW is better than games like GTA? Games like Medieval II: Total War? You cannot compare them! Yet that's what, in three sentences, the OP has managed to do. He has managed to miraculously analyse ALL other games ever released, and come to the conclusion that WoW is better.
Now you then go ahead and say these are the WoW forums. They're not. These are MMORPG.com forums. If I were to go on the official WoW forums or on the forums of some fansite and start dissing the people there, then I would be hating, but i'm not. I've been on these boards for more than three years (though not posting actively till now), while you seem to be racking up about 100 posts in a week. Anyone who posts that much obviously has no real content, or life for that matter.
Though come to think of it you can compare WoW to Oblivion, and you probably have guessed which one I think is by far more superior and immersive. In fact let's have a poll. Remember, the OP didn't say that WoW is the best MMO, he said it's the best game ever, so you can compare it to anything really.
Vote for either oblivion or WoW based on:
Graphics (i'm not gonna link pictures, if you've played them you know what i'm talking about, if you haven't then don't vote.)
Gameplay
Immersive (Oblivion is first person)
Combat (not point and click and wait for it to happen like in WoW)
Storyline and the hundreds of meaningful quests in Oblivion.
Grind (hardly any in Oblivion).
etc.
Oh and in case you didn't bother reading my post, here's in bold that the op claims WoW is better than ALL games, which is the point of my argument, so this is why i'm comparing it with Oblivion (not an mmo).
I completed Oblivion. It's inferior to Morrowind, but the graphics look great. There's no point to the level system because all the mobs level up with you. I found that to be rather tedious. Lots of eye candy, physics is nice, love the return of the Morrowind voice actors, but the game just bored the pants off me.
Anyways... onto the meat of your post:
"Now when someone says that "WoW is better than ALL OTHER GAMES" then that automatically means that all other games are WORSE."
Nobody is ever going to agree on which MMO is the best in the World. As I've already said, a great majority of any MMO population think their game is the best. Ask the busy EQ2 players who just dinged their guild level, ask the EQ1 players who just finished the last expansion, ask the EVE players who just took part in a fleet battle involving dozens of ships - it's not unusual for players to think this way.
Yet for some reason, WoW gets all the shit from jaded gamers. It's not as vigorously promoted as EVE players do, it's not vehemently defended like Vanguard fanboys do - yet it's the butt of all the criticisms of what's wrong with MMOs today.
I say pish-posh. You are just looking for ways to hate World of Warcraft and it's an unhealthy and somewhat disturbing when people get so angry over what is the only game that is widely regarded as the best MMO, and has single handedly ignited the industry - so you have so many new MMOs to look forward to.
I just don't understand the hate.
This is not a proper WoW forum, it's been an Anti-WoW forum for a very long time, because of people like you. WoW players find no real community here, why I'm here myself, I don't know. I am starting to get sick of all the negativity shown towards the game. While I'm sure the departure of a WoW fanboy will likely make you cheer, I would probably have the last laugh when after your 30th MMO you still haven't been able to enjoy yourself, and you're posting how much Everquest 4 sucks.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
...Nobody is ever going to agree on which MMO is the best in the World. As I've already said, a great majority of any MMO population think their game is the best...
I say pish-posh. You are just looking for ways to hate World of Warcraft and it's an unhealthy and somewhat disturbing when people get so angry over what is the only game that is widely regarded as the best MMO, and has single handedly ignited the industry - so you have so many new MMOs to look forward to.
Not that I like WoW, nor I hate WoW. But the places I mark in your post sound somewhat contradicted to me. Since you said that nobody will agree which MMO is best, then why can you say that WoW is the "only game that widely regarded as the best MMO" ? it doesn't make much sense.
And don't give me "the 8.5 mil player world wide agrees that it's the best..." argument.
Truth to be told, the subscription doesn't tell you the MMO that's "best", but "popular".
If you equate popular to best, then it is flawed.
To tell you the truth, there are MANY other MMOs that in other part of the world is consider as "Better" than WoW. You may not played it before, or don't even know it, but that doesn't mean you can say WoW is the best. In Asia there ARE more MMO that has more subs, but it doesn't mean it's better than WoW. But it also doesn't mean Asian MMO are badly made. They are made to fit the gamers they are catering to - Asian gamers. (sorry for going off topic, just want to explain why the subs/active account doesn't mean much in a gamer's view, but in developer/company's view they are the source of income.)
I just have to say that in the end, to each his/her own. I believe that players can and will decide which MMO is "best" for them, and they'll play it. Those who have not found the one they want and/or was screwed by other company over a previous MMO, they can and will flame anyone who goes up against them.
P.S. I do play WoW, not because it's the best, but it's playable (although I loathe class/level system, I'll play...)
And ones again you focus solely on the haters. Im really getting tired of this prejudice. If people dont like the game then dont attack them because of that, they may not share your views regarding the game and just because they may not be able to defend their views when converted into your perspective doesnt mean that your right and they are wrong.
I already defined what I perceived a "WoW hater" as, if you claim that you fit this definition, and take offense to being someone that spread lies and doesn't back up anything they say, then perhaps you should reconsider your position here.
Saying you dont like something about WoW doesn't make you a hater. You're just being deliberately obtuse, and I won't take the bait.
What irritates me is that you say that only WoW haters spread lies, when I have seen that WoW lovers spread the same amount of lies.
But as always you only focus on one part.
And I dont hate WoW, I just dont care about it anymore. It was fun while it lasted but nothing more.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes" Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
And so onto the question that WoW haters will not / cannot answer:
If you don't care about WoW, why are you in the World of Warcraft forums telling us how much we're wrong about it being the best MMO?
By your definition then, if I answer this question, I am no longer defined as a WoW hater, because if I were one, then I could not answer. Correct?
So here's the answer, despite the embolded text you put in your post (which is incorrect, and i'll explain why).
I don't care much about WoW, but I DO care about other MMOs, and other games in general. Now when someone says that "WoW is better than ALL OTHER GAMES" then that automatically means that all other games are WORSE. When you elevate the position of something relative to something else, then that something else's position falls accordingly.
It's the way things work. Now I've explained in bullet point fashion why I DON'T think WoW is the best MMO, or even in the top 5 list many times before in my previous posts, so go have a look at them. It's not like i'm coming here waving a bat hitting all you WoW lover-boys, i'm giving good reasons for my argument.
All you've been doing is acting like some sort of pedantic arbiter. What are you trying to do anyway? Defend a claim that WoW is better than games like GTA? Games like Medieval II: Total War? You cannot compare them! Yet that's what, in three sentences, the OP has managed to do. He has managed to miraculously analyse ALL other games ever released, and come to the conclusion that WoW is better.
Now you then go ahead and say these are the WoW forums. They're not. These are MMORPG.com forums. If I were to go on the official WoW forums or on the forums of some fansite and start dissing the people there, then I would be hating, but i'm not. I've been on these boards for more than three years (though not posting actively till now), while you seem to be racking up about 100 posts in a week. Anyone who posts that much obviously has no real content, or life for that matter.
Though come to think of it you can compare WoW to Oblivion, and you probably have guessed which one I think is by far more superior and immersive. In fact let's have a poll. Remember, the OP didn't say that WoW is the best MMO, he said it's the best game ever, so you can compare it to anything really.
Vote for either oblivion or WoW based on:
Graphics (i'm not gonna link pictures, if you've played them you know what i'm talking about, if you haven't then don't vote.)
Gameplay
Immersive (Oblivion is first person)
Combat (not point and click and wait for it to happen like in WoW)
Storyline and the hundreds of meaningful quests in Oblivion.
Grind (hardly any in Oblivion).
etc.
Oh and in case you didn't bother reading my post, here's in bold that the op claims WoW is better than ALL games, which is the point of my argument, so this is why i'm comparing it with Oblivion (not an mmo).
Nice post. And I agree with you on everything.. You already know which game I think is better. (Good poll.)
Yep I agree that up to this point only a very few good mmorpg's have been made, but personally im looking forward to Darkfall and placing my hopes there.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes" Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
Yep I agree that up to this point only a very few good mmorpg's have been made, but personally im looking forward to Darkfall and placing my hopes there.
Darkfall would be a dream come true. I'm hoping it comes to life.
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion..................
I happen to think WOW is one of the worst MMOs ever because it put training wheels on the genre and took away all of the adventure and challenge that used to be involved in these games.
The industry was starting to evolve before WOW and good things were coming out of it. Games like SWG were taking a different approach and trying new things. As soon as WOW with its no risk gameplay and easy mode quests came out and sucked in a boatload of people who were drawn to something shiny then all the other companies went into copy mode feeling that they needed to imitate in order to compete.
The best MMOs in MY opinion are the ones that dont limit their players with pigeonholed cookie cutter classes that make clones without the ability to choose or be unique. Games that dont have easy scripted linear quests that everyone does over and over again.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
The best MMOs in MY opinion are the ones that dont limit their players with pigeonholed cookie cutter classes that make clones without the ability to choose or be unique. Games that dont have easy scripted linear quests that everyone does over and over again.
So....your best MMO has yet to be released. k. Mine as well ^^.
The best MMOs in MY opinion are the ones that dont limit their players with pigeonholed cookie cutter classes that make clones without the ability to choose or be unique. Games that dont have easy scripted linear quests that everyone does over and over again.
So....your best MMO has yet to be released. k. Mine as well ^^.
No it was released and it was amazing until they decided it needed to be like every other crappy MMO. Any SWG player who was there during the first 6 - 8 months after release knows what im talking about. The game was golden and because of people who couldnt get out of the traditional MMO frame of mind they complained and bitched until the devs finally gave in and ruined the qualities that made the game so much better than the others.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
The best MMOs in MY opinion are the ones that dont limit their players with pigeonholed cookie cutter classes that make clones without the ability to choose or be unique. Games that dont have easy scripted linear quests that everyone does over and over again.
So....your best MMO has yet to be released. k. Mine as well ^^.
No it was released and it was amazing until they decided it needed to be like every other crappy MMO. Any SWG player who was there during the first 6 - 8 months after release knows what im talking about. The game was golden and because of people who couldnt get out of the traditional MMO frame of mind they complained and bitched until the devs finally gave in and ruined the qualities that made the game so much better than the others.
Alright, alright, I stand corrected. Didnt have the privilege to play SWG back in the day. I tried a month ago and did not like what I saw. It definately felt like the same old thing with a different look.
Lets just hope that WAR, Chronicles of Spellborn and AoC (Among others offcourse) will take this genre not only into a new direction, but also to new heights. Fingers crossed.
I went out and bought this game, and I regret ever doing so. It was a typical MMO with the quests involving nothing other than killing "random number/random number" of monsters and getting rewards that were worse than or equal to the items I already had. Combat was slightly unique, but it got boring after a while. I really didn't like the community, almost everybody I met was a total jack***, and nobody would look up from their useless quests long enough to realize I was trying to ask them for help. However, the PvP was pretty fun and I enjoyed dueling random people. I stopped playing it after the second day.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature.
I played WOW for two years solid. Sometimes I played over ten hours a day when I was levelling. TBC was great for about ten days. Then I was maxed out again and all that was left war raiding and grinding. I have just deleted three level 60s and all my other sub 60 chars. I'm so piss bored, I didn't even strip the gold and loot off them. I have two char left. SNAZZY lvl 70 disc/hloy priest. SNAZZMAGE a lvl 70 fire mage. Both of these are on hellscream, on May 8th 2007, I'm gone.
For a begginer, this game is far better than anything I've ever played. It has instant appeal, almost no learning curve, and is up and runnign straight out of the box. The things that have killed it for me are. The level 70 instances are too difficult for standard can't be arsed pugs. Well that's okay, i'm passed that. KAZA is quite insane passed about the 6th or 7th boss and causes real bad fealing with guildies. Every single player has to be on the ball 100%. NOT bouncing up and down, and seeing how far up the corner of the wall they can climb.
My last guild, Awoken was great, but KARA broke them and they treated a lot of us very badly, for this reason and this reason alone I hope to quit until another expansion comes out, in the hope something new will be there, 'cos to just grind ten different reps just to get keys to go over the same instances in heroic mode is limp and pathetic.
I know I'll regret leaving the game, but I've met many hateful people, and there just isn't enough solo stuff to do. I love raiding, 4-5 hours in a run is NP. Moten Core was easy compared to KARA, Heroic mode does nothing for me. TBC seems to be one big padded patch with not nearly enough time put into it. There needs to be so much more people with solo play in mind can do.
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What was the most "skillful" thing you did in WoW? Nothing? Ok... What was the most skillful thing you did in another MMO? I'd be interested to hear the answers. Chances are I've done it too and I'm very interested to see why what you did was considered more skillful.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Constant raiding and grinding is not my thing, deal with it, even crafting games like a tale in the desert and Myst is looking tempting now because they have something new, not just constantly killing things over and over, no wonder there are news reports about people in WoW being all weird after they've played it for however so long.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
You refused to answer my question relating to the way this whole thread started, and that's how I know not only are your points completely false, but you can't keep track of what's being said in a debate with any degree of competence.
There is no 'victory' here because you haven't consumed (either refused or were unable to) a single word I that I wrote here.
And once again the question is avoided by the haters who have only lies to spread.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
And ones again you focus solely on the haters. Im really getting tired of this prejudice.
If people dont like the game then dont attack them because of that, they may not share your views regarding the game and just because they may not be able to defend their views when converted into your perspective doesnt mean that your right and they are wrong.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes"
Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
Saying you dont like something about WoW doesn't make you a hater. You're just being deliberately obtuse, and I won't take the bait.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Most mature players are getting fed up and are leaving because they crave something more. I have closed and re-opened my account on many occasions, mainly because i am searching for that alternative. I wouldn't be surprised that he day comes soon when I finally say, "Alright, enough is enough!"
To those who still enjoy it., Have fun. But to those who don't just move on. I don't see why either sides have to insult each other.
So here's the answer, despite the embolded text you put in your post (which is incorrect, and i'll explain why).
I don't care much about WoW, but I DO care about other MMOs, and other games in general. Now when someone says that "WoW is better than ALL OTHER GAMES" then that automatically means that all other games are WORSE. When you elevate the position of something relative to something else, then that something else's position falls accordingly.
It's the way things work. Now I've explained in bullet point fashion why I DON'T think WoW is the best MMO, or even in the top 5 list many times before in my previous posts, so go have a look at them. It's not like i'm coming here waving a bat hitting all you WoW lover-boys, i'm giving good reasons for my argument.
All you've been doing is acting like some sort of pedantic arbiter. What are you trying to do anyway? Defend a claim that WoW is better than games like GTA? Games like Medieval II: Total War? You cannot compare them! Yet that's what, in three sentences, the OP has managed to do. He has managed to miraculously analyse ALL other games ever released, and come to the conclusion that WoW is better.
Now you then go ahead and say these are the WoW forums. They're not. These are MMORPG.com forums. If I were to go on the official WoW forums or on the forums of some fansite and start dissing the people there, then I would be hating, but i'm not. I've been on these boards for more than three years (though not posting actively till now), while you seem to be racking up about 100 posts in a week. Anyone who posts that much obviously has no real content, or life for that matter.
Though come to think of it you can compare WoW to Oblivion, and you probably have guessed which one I think is by far more superior and immersive. In fact let's have a poll. Remember, the OP didn't say that WoW is the best MMO, he said it's the best game ever, so you can compare it to anything really.
Vote for either oblivion or WoW based on:
- Graphics (i'm not gonna link pictures, if you've played them you know what i'm talking about, if you haven't then don't vote.)
- Gameplay
- Immersive (Oblivion is first person)
- Combat (not point and click and wait for it to happen like in WoW)
- Storyline and the hundreds of meaningful quests in Oblivion.
- Grind (hardly any in Oblivion).
- etc.
Oh and in case you didn't bother reading my post, here's in bold that the op claims WoW is better than ALL games, which is the point of my argument, so this is why i'm comparing it with Oblivion (not an mmo)......and that's the way the cookie crumbles
Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
Looking Forward To: SW:TOR
Anyways... onto the meat of your post:
"Now when someone says that "WoW is better than ALL OTHER GAMES" then that automatically means that all other games are WORSE."
Nobody is ever going to agree on which MMO is the best in the World. As I've already said, a great majority of any MMO population think their game is the best. Ask the busy EQ2 players who just dinged their guild level, ask the EQ1 players who just finished the last expansion, ask the EVE players who just took part in a fleet battle involving dozens of ships - it's not unusual for players to think this way.
Yet for some reason, WoW gets all the shit from jaded gamers. It's not as vigorously promoted as EVE players do, it's not vehemently defended like Vanguard fanboys do - yet it's the butt of all the criticisms of what's wrong with MMOs today.
I say pish-posh. You are just looking for ways to hate World of Warcraft and it's an unhealthy and somewhat disturbing when people get so angry over what is the only game that is widely regarded as the best MMO, and has single handedly ignited the industry - so you have so many new MMOs to look forward to.
I just don't understand the hate.
This is not a proper WoW forum, it's been an Anti-WoW forum for a very long time, because of people like you. WoW players find no real community here, why I'm here myself, I don't know. I am starting to get sick of all the negativity shown towards the game. While I'm sure the departure of a WoW fanboy will likely make you cheer, I would probably have the last laugh when after your 30th MMO you still haven't been able to enjoy yourself, and you're posting how much Everquest 4 sucks.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
And don't give me "the 8.5 mil player world wide agrees that it's the best..." argument.
Truth to be told, the subscription doesn't tell you the MMO that's "best", but "popular".
If you equate popular to best, then it is flawed.
To tell you the truth, there are MANY other MMOs that in other part of the world is consider as "Better" than WoW. You may not played it before, or don't even know it, but that doesn't mean you can say WoW is the best. In Asia there ARE more MMO that has more subs, but it doesn't mean it's better than WoW. But it also doesn't mean Asian MMO are badly made. They are made to fit the gamers they are catering to - Asian gamers. (sorry for going off topic, just want to explain why the subs/active account doesn't mean much in a gamer's view, but in developer/company's view they are the source of income.)
I just have to say that in the end, to each his/her own. I believe that players can and will decide which MMO is "best" for them, and they'll play it. Those who have not found the one they want and/or was screwed by other company over a previous MMO, they can and will flame anyone who goes up against them.
P.S. I do play WoW, not because it's the best, but it's playable (although I loathe class/level system, I'll play...)
Current MMO: FFXIV:ARR
Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P)
Saying you dont like something about WoW doesn't make you a hater. You're just being deliberately obtuse, and I won't take the bait.
What irritates me is that you say that only WoW haters spread lies, when I have seen that WoW lovers spread the same amount of lies.
But as always you only focus on one part.
And I dont hate WoW, I just dont care about it anymore. It was fun while it lasted but nothing more.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes"
Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
So here's the answer, despite the embolded text you put in your post (which is incorrect, and i'll explain why).
I don't care much about WoW, but I DO care about other MMOs, and other games in general. Now when someone says that "WoW is better than ALL OTHER GAMES" then that automatically means that all other games are WORSE. When you elevate the position of something relative to something else, then that something else's position falls accordingly.
It's the way things work. Now I've explained in bullet point fashion why I DON'T think WoW is the best MMO, or even in the top 5 list many times before in my previous posts, so go have a look at them. It's not like i'm coming here waving a bat hitting all you WoW lover-boys, i'm giving good reasons for my argument.
All you've been doing is acting like some sort of pedantic arbiter. What are you trying to do anyway? Defend a claim that WoW is better than games like GTA? Games like Medieval II: Total War? You cannot compare them! Yet that's what, in three sentences, the OP has managed to do. He has managed to miraculously analyse ALL other games ever released, and come to the conclusion that WoW is better.
Now you then go ahead and say these are the WoW forums. They're not. These are MMORPG.com forums. If I were to go on the official WoW forums or on the forums of some fansite and start dissing the people there, then I would be hating, but i'm not. I've been on these boards for more than three years (though not posting actively till now), while you seem to be racking up about 100 posts in a week. Anyone who posts that much obviously has no real content, or life for that matter.
Though come to think of it you can compare WoW to Oblivion, and you probably have guessed which one I think is by far more superior and immersive. In fact let's have a poll. Remember, the OP didn't say that WoW is the best MMO, he said it's the best game ever, so you can compare it to anything really.
Vote for either oblivion or WoW based on:
- Graphics (i'm not gonna link pictures, if you've played them you know what i'm talking about, if you haven't then don't vote.)
- Gameplay
- Immersive (Oblivion is first person)
- Combat (not point and click and wait for it to happen like in WoW)
- Storyline and the hundreds of meaningful quests in Oblivion.
- Grind (hardly any in Oblivion).
- etc.
Oh and in case you didn't bother reading my post, here's in bold that the op claims WoW is better than ALL games, which is the point of my argument, so this is why i'm comparing it with Oblivion (not an mmo).Nice post. And I agree with you on everything.. You already know which game I think is better. (Good poll.)
Yep I agree that up to this point only a very few good mmorpg's have been made, but personally im looking forward to Darkfall and placing my hopes there.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day when he said..Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?...No, but i served in a company of heroes"
Sgt. Mike Ranney E-company 506PIR 101'st airborn
I happen to think WOW is one of the worst MMOs ever because it put training wheels on the genre and took away all of the adventure and challenge that used to be involved in these games.
The industry was starting to evolve before WOW and good things were coming out of it. Games like SWG were taking a different approach and trying new things. As soon as WOW with its no risk gameplay and easy mode quests came out and sucked in a boatload of people who were drawn to something shiny then all the other companies went into copy mode feeling that they needed to imitate in order to compete.
The best MMOs in MY opinion are the ones that dont limit their players with pigeonholed cookie cutter classes that make clones without the ability to choose or be unique. Games that dont have easy scripted linear quests that everyone does over and over again.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
So....your best MMO has yet to be released. k. Mine as well ^^.
So....your best MMO has yet to be released. k. Mine as well ^^.
No it was released and it was amazing until they decided it needed to be like every other crappy MMO. Any SWG player who was there during the first 6 - 8 months after release knows what im talking about. The game was golden and because of people who couldnt get out of the traditional MMO frame of mind they complained and bitched until the devs finally gave in and ruined the qualities that made the game so much better than the others.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
So....your best MMO has yet to be released. k. Mine as well ^^.
No it was released and it was amazing until they decided it needed to be like every other crappy MMO. Any SWG player who was there during the first 6 - 8 months after release knows what im talking about. The game was golden and because of people who couldnt get out of the traditional MMO frame of mind they complained and bitched until the devs finally gave in and ruined the qualities that made the game so much better than the others.
Alright, alright, I stand corrected. Didnt have the privilege to play SWG back in the day. I tried a month ago and did not like what I saw. It definately felt like the same old thing with a different look.
Lets just hope that WAR, Chronicles of Spellborn and AoC (Among others offcourse) will take this genre not only into a new direction, but also to new heights. Fingers crossed.
look WoW rocks
get over it
you WoW haters are probably just mad because u cant get the hang of it and you are all just noobs.
and i'm not sayin evryone in this forum is a WoW hater either
a couple of people think like that
confusing
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature.
I played WOW for two years solid. Sometimes I played over ten hours a day when I was levelling. TBC was great for about ten days. Then I was maxed out again and all that was left war raiding and grinding. I have just deleted three level 60s and all my other sub 60 chars. I'm so piss bored, I didn't even strip the gold and loot off them. I have two char left. SNAZZY lvl 70 disc/hloy priest. SNAZZMAGE a lvl 70 fire mage. Both of these are on hellscream, on May 8th 2007, I'm gone.
For a begginer, this game is far better than anything I've ever played. It has instant appeal, almost no learning curve, and is up and runnign straight out of the box. The things that have killed it for me are. The level 70 instances are too difficult for standard can't be arsed pugs. Well that's okay, i'm passed that. KAZA is quite insane passed about the 6th or 7th boss and causes real bad fealing with guildies. Every single player has to be on the ball 100%. NOT bouncing up and down, and seeing how far up the corner of the wall they can climb.
My last guild, Awoken was great, but KARA broke them and they treated a lot of us very badly, for this reason and this reason alone I hope to quit until another expansion comes out, in the hope something new will be there, 'cos to just grind ten different reps just to get keys to go over the same instances in heroic mode is limp and pathetic.
I know I'll regret leaving the game, but I've met many hateful people, and there just isn't enough solo stuff to do. I love raiding, 4-5 hours in a run is NP. Moten Core was easy compared to KARA, Heroic mode does nothing for me. TBC seems to be one big padded patch with not nearly enough time put into it. There needs to be so much more people with solo play in mind can do.