This is just ridiculous. While I have been very excited about Darkfall for many years, I will agree, the future of the game is looking rather bleak. But it doesn't really surprise me that I have seen all these extremists posting here. There are those that swear up and down the game will never come out, and has been nothing but lies and misleadings. On the flipside, there are the people who "KNOW" the game is coming out. Is that right? Do you have a crystal ball? Can you predict the future? I didn't think so.
The OP had some valid points, while others not so much. The best thing to do at this juncture is wait and see what happens. The game will either come out or it wont. Every poster on here can't be right with their posts about how they "KNOW" it is coming out, or "KNOW" it never will. Time will tell.
Also, kudos to the poster than referenced DnL. Look at that disaster. It was supposed to be the next big thing. Even bigger than WoW. What happened? It fell flat on its face and got flushed down the toilet. Then as a supposed last resort, the devs resorted to the ever famous tactics of not cancelling accounts and charging people anyway.
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I just became a fan of the Darkfall project recently and everything I've read about says that this is the game for me. That must be true for everyone who posts here because pretty much everyone seems to put a lot of time, effort, and feeling in their posts. Try not to be discouraged by the time it's taking, maybe just think about Darkfall a little less and you won't hate the waiting so much.
To the OP, you have followed Darkfall for a while now and really want to see it come out; just be more positive and you'll be happier overall. Waiting for this game looks like it's killing you inside. We feel your pain.
Yeah, I think If i was following a game that was a game of my dreams(Darkfall is) for more than what? 3 years? 4? And they would be promising betas many times already, I would be pretty much pissed lol
Yeah, I think If i was following a game that was a game of my dreams(Darkfall is) for more than what? 3 years? 4? And they would be promising betas many times already, I would be pretty much pissed lol
2. In response to third echelon, people have regularly stopped by their studios to actually see if someone is there and working on it. They exist, the game exists, people have actually PLAYED it, whether or not its gonna suck, well thats up to opinion when it does go live, but it exists.
People stopped in at the studio, met the devs, and played the game for The Chronicle, the MMOcenter/Rapid Reality vaporware,also. See how that wemt?
Well, game is in developement for only 4 years. and yes I know about year 2001, but that doesn† count.
Doesn't count? LOL!
In 2001 They told everyone following the game that it was going to be released in 2003. So they lied to hundreds of thousands of people. And they have been lying ever since. And it doesn't count? LOL
Even if the game came out 2 years from now it would be beyond both AoC and WAR. Both WAR & AOC are at best 2nd rate pvp games. People waiting for darkfall or a game like darkfall are mostly hardcore players, who like complex games and are looking for a mmorpg that can compare to the games in the late 90's
In other words a very limited and probably unprofitable pool of people given all the other games already out there, a game that will allow the more sadistic players to make a game unplayable for the majority of MMORPG gamers will at best have a very limited subscription count and at worst be closed down within a matter of months (Or radically changed to appeal to a more mainstream audience).
Even if the game came out 2 years from now it would be beyond both AoC and WAR. Both WAR & AOC are at best 2nd rate pvp games. People waiting for darkfall or a game like darkfall are mostly hardcore players, who like complex games and are looking for a mmorpg that can compare to the games in the late 90's
In other words a very limited and probably unprofitable pool of people given all the other games already out there, a game that will allow the more sadistic players to make a game unplayable for the majority of MMORPG gamers will at best have a very limited subscription count and at worst be closed down within a matter of months (Or radically changed to appeal to a more mainstream audience).
No, a game for ppl who doesn't want limited and simplistic "railroad" games. As for the sub count your guess is as good as mine and I predict 200k of subs the first day. If the game delvers as promised, you will see 500k pretty fast. If not it will stabilze at 75k within a year.
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I'm starting to lose my faith, seriously. The time its taking isn't really THAT absurd to me, but the lack of information they give is just hell annoying.
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In 2001 it was completely another company, or more like some friends, working together.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is the same company. They had a website , projected release date and everything.
LOL, look who is talking!
Aventurine SA is not the same company as Razorwax. Unless you mean that Sigil Games Online is the same company as SoE.
Its the same people working on it. Just because they added some people in 2003 and changed their name, does not mean that 2001-2003 did not exist.
Stop making excuses for this game already
Razorwax were 12 at the end when they left Norway. As of January 29, 2007, 24 in house developers and 6 professional contractors work at Aventurine. New money, new managment, new name, new people, new ideas, new company.
Stop trolling this forum already
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Every year for the last 5 years, they have been saying beta is just around the corner. And it has been a lie every time! How can you still believe what they are saying? You must be the most naive person ever. You are the one who needs to leave these forums.
If it was a scam, it's a pretty goddamn retarded one.
They set a solid date in 03, they got bought out, they haven't set a real date since then.
How can he believe them? Because Darkfall is a Sandbox lovers only hope.
Razorwax hoped to deliver a MMO in 2003. But during 2003 they moved to Greece and started Aventurine, they got 30 new programmers and trained them to begin with the DF we "know" today.
At same time they emerged with another group of like minded MMO fanatics....Tasos and co....
And from august 2003 they have been programming the engine we know. Just look at pics from the old 2001 engine and you will know.
Every year for the last 5 years, they have been saying beta is just around the corner. And it has been a lie every time! How can you still believe what they are saying? You must be the most naive person ever. You are the one who needs to leave these forums.
If it was a scam, it's a pretty goddamn retarded one.
They set a solid date in 03, they got bought out, they haven't set a real date since then.
How can he believe them? Because Darkfall is a Sandbox lovers only hope.
Big projects being set back isn't lies, it's reality and happens all the time. I am not (very) naive, I don't belive the hype of AoC or WAR. I will not buy a game until I have beta/tested it or someone I trust say its cool. I will judge Darkfall if or when it comes out. What I do belive is that crying myself to sleep over lost betadates in any game, will not influence this or any other game whatsoever. So take a break, play another game and join us if or when the game comes out.
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hey taxdude guy, the one who started this thread, do you have an account called timberwolve on warcry darkfall forums. You say all of this stuff about unproven program, so what!, this could be a good program, that is why it took so long in the beggining to even start,, they had to program and perfect a new code to follow. Second, most games take 6-7 years to complete, especialley mmorpg's, we just dont know about it till they are nearly through with the project. intended feaures vrs manpower, lets see, to explain that i will simply use that fact of a small development team and minimal recources. The thing is, they may have little manpower, but they are taking their time and doing stuff slowly as to not release a crap game, manpower means nothing, the job can still be done. another, missed deadlines, there are so many other games that have missed deadlines by years, just look them up. Missed deadlines mean nothing as long as they release a good game in the end. adventurine didnt start as a publisher, they started as a game designing studio. at this moment in time they are looking for a publisher to help them with them with, well, publishing. No game will display everything before the beta, they have basicly displayed as much as they can so far without revealing the inportant stuff, like the different skills and spells. all the videos contain new content. all the screenshots are still new. Those months that nothing new is provided, how do you know they arnt just orking on a spesific area, like a race capital city and area around it before they put in into the website. They are not showing the same stuff at this point, they are updating the site as well, and will launch another one shortly. Idiot, the name of the person in charge of the community is the staff director Bronnoc. and they have several moderators to help. the volenteers are just there to help noobs out. I dont even trylu know what you mean by number 7, they can still trademark it at anytime, just if something else comes up named darkfall, and they get it trademarked, then the darkfall game can still just continue because they already had a running title. Number eight, well lets see, would it be a smart idea to tell the people everything about their game. all games need to be supprises, not, ok, were gonna give you what weve been giving you the exact information for for the past 3 years. consumers like suprises and discovering things when the game releases, keeping the game to an overview at this point is very good. already talked about number 9 and ten, so that is all i want to yell at you about now, goodbye.
Every year for the last 5 years, they have been saying beta is just around the corner. And it has been a lie every time! How can you still believe what they are saying? You must be the most naive person ever. You are the one who needs to leave these forums.
If it was a scam, it's a pretty goddamn retarded one.
They set a solid date in 03, they got bought out, they haven't set a real date since then.
How can he believe them? Because Darkfall is a Sandbox lovers only hope.
Big projects being set back isn't lies, it's reality and happens all the time. I am not (very) naive, I don't belive the hype of AoC or WAR. I will not buy a game until I have beta/tested it or someone I trust say its cool. I will judge Darkfall if or when it comes out. What I do belive is that crying myself to sleep over lost betadates in any game, will not influence this or any other game whatsoever. So take a break, play another game and join us if or when the game comes out.
No matter how big a project is, if it gets pushed back 4 years thats a bad sign.
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Yes the 2 guys that was making Darkfall part time between 2001-2003 counts? Now that is very interesting I have to say. The first 2-3 years of this game's life was just to see if there was support for a game like this, do you think two unknown guys would have gotten enough cash to produce a game of this size for the last 4 years if they had not done the things and promised the things they did in 2001?
At worst you can call them dreamers that thought it would only take 2 guys 2 years to make a game like darkfall, they have since obviously become wiser but in no way can you really claim that the game went into production prior to 2003, in fact the game has been in production less then 4 years not more.
If you count in post production blizzard spent 8 years on WoW, with over 200 staff and a much inferior game to Darkfall they are doing an amazing job.
Lastly I would like to say that I hate all you people that think you have some sort of right to demand things from the guys making Darkfall, they are the once maknig the game of our dreams it seems to me we are the once who owe them, not the other way around. Trolling forums does not give you any rights to demand things from the devs, or are people really that stupid?
Btw I personally know 30+ people that has been following this game since 01-02 and only a handful of them are losing faith and none are calling it vaporware.
Yes the 2 guys that was making Darkfall part time between 2001-2003 counts? Now that is very interesting I have to say. The first 2-3 years of this game's life was just to see if there was support for a game like this, do you think two unknown guys would have gotten enough cash to produce a game of this size for the last 4 years if they had not done the things and promised the things they did in 2001? At worst you can call them dreamers that thought it would only take 2 guys 2 years to make a game like darkfall, they have since obviously become wiser but in no way can you really claim that the game went into production prior to 2003, in fact the game has been in production less then 4 years not more. If you count in post production blizzard spent 8 years on WoW, with over 200 staff and a much inferior game to Darkfall they are doing an amazing job. Lastly I would like to say that I hate all you people that think you have some sort of right to demand things from the guys making Darkfall, they are the once maknig the game of our dreams it seems to me we are the once who owe them, not the other way around. Trolling forums does not give you any rights to demand things from the devs, or are people really that stupid? Btw I personally know 30+ people that has been following this game since 01-02 and only a handful of them are losing faith and none are calling it vaporware.
it was 12 people, not 2. Quit making up stuff. The fact is they don't have the right to lie to us year after year. I owe them because they constantly lie to me? lol!
Originally posted by Krogan Btw I personally know 30+ people that has been following this game since 01-02 and only a handful of them are losing faith and none are calling it vaporware.
I know around 300+ people who have been following DF since 2001, and its only like 3-4 of us who still have a figment of hope left
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This is just ridiculous. While I have been very excited about Darkfall for many years, I will agree, the future of the game is looking rather bleak. But it doesn't really surprise me that I have seen all these extremists posting here. There are those that swear up and down the game will never come out, and has been nothing but lies and misleadings. On the flipside, there are the people who "KNOW" the game is coming out. Is that right? Do you have a crystal ball? Can you predict the future? I didn't think so.
The OP had some valid points, while others not so much. The best thing to do at this juncture is wait and see what happens. The game will either come out or it wont. Every poster on here can't be right with their posts about how they "KNOW" it is coming out, or "KNOW" it never will. Time will tell.
Also, kudos to the poster than referenced DnL. Look at that disaster. It was supposed to be the next big thing. Even bigger than WoW. What happened? It fell flat on its face and got flushed down the toilet. Then as a supposed last resort, the devs resorted to the ever famous tactics of not cancelling accounts and charging people anyway.
A Requiem For Argos, now available at e-book retailers.
I just became a fan of the Darkfall project recently and everything I've read about says that this is the game for me. That must be true for everyone who posts here because pretty much everyone seems to put a lot of time, effort, and feeling in their posts. Try not to be discouraged by the time it's taking, maybe just think about Darkfall a little less and you won't hate the waiting so much.
To the OP, you have followed Darkfall for a while now and really want to see it come out; just be more positive and you'll be happier overall. Waiting for this game looks like it's killing you inside. We feel your pain.
Yeah, I think If i was following a game that was a game of my dreams(Darkfall is) for more than what? 3 years? 4? And they would be promising betas many times already, I would be pretty much pissed lol
Actually it has been 6 years. But who's counting?
People stopped in at the studio, met the devs, and played the game for The Chronicle, the MMOcenter/Rapid Reality vaporware,also. See how that wemt?
Well, game is in developement for only 4 years. and yes I know about year 2001, but that doesn† count.
In 2001 They told everyone following the game that it was going to be released in 2003. So they lied to hundreds of thousands of people. And they have been lying ever since. And it doesn't count? LOL
In 2001 it was completely another company, or more like some friends, working together.
In other words a very limited and probably unprofitable pool of people given all the other games already out there, a game that will allow the more sadistic players to make a game unplayable for the majority of MMORPG gamers will at best have a very limited subscription count and at worst be closed down within a matter of months (Or radically changed to appeal to a more mainstream audience).
In other words a very limited and probably unprofitable pool of people given all the other games already out there, a game that will allow the more sadistic players to make a game unplayable for the majority of MMORPG gamers will at best have a very limited subscription count and at worst be closed down within a matter of months (Or radically changed to appeal to a more mainstream audience).
No, a game for ppl who doesn't want limited and simplistic "railroad" games. As for the sub count your guess is as good as mine and I predict 200k of subs the first day. If the game delvers as promised, you will see 500k pretty fast. If not it will stabilze at 75k within a year.
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I'm starting to lose my faith, seriously. The time its taking isn't really THAT absurd to me, but the lack of information they give is just hell annoying.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. It is the same company. They had a website , projected release date and everything.
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is the same company. They had a website , projected release date and everything.
LOL, look who is talking!Aventurine SA is not the same company as Razorwax. Unless you mean that Sigil Games Online is the same company as SoE.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is the same company. They had a website , projected release date and everything.
LOL, look who is talking!Aventurine SA is not the same company as Razorwax. Unless you mean that Sigil Games Online is the same company as SoE.
Its the same people working on it. Just because they added some people in 2003 and changed their name, does not mean that 2001-2003 did not exist.
Stop making excuses for this game already
You have no idea what you are talking about. It is the same company. They had a website , projected release date and everything.
LOL, look who is talking!Aventurine SA is not the same company as Razorwax. Unless you mean that Sigil Games Online is the same company as SoE.
Its the same people working on it. Just because they added some people in 2003 and changed their name, does not mean that 2001-2003 did not exist.
Stop making excuses for this game already
Razorwax were 12 at the end when they left Norway. As of January 29, 2007, 24 in house developers and 6 professional contractors work at Aventurine. New money, new managment, new name, new people, new ideas, new company.Stop trolling this forum already
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Every year for the last 5 years, they have been saying beta is just around the corner. And it has been a lie every time!
How can you still believe what they are saying? You must be the most naive person ever.
You are the one who needs to leave these forums.
If it was a scam, it's a pretty goddamn retarded one.
They set a solid date in 03, they got bought out, they haven't set a real date since then.
How can he believe them? Because Darkfall is a Sandbox lovers only hope.
You are both right.
Razorwax hoped to deliver a MMO in 2003. But during 2003 they moved to Greece and started Aventurine, they got 30 new programmers and trained them to begin with the DF we "know" today.
At same time they emerged with another group of like minded MMO fanatics....Tasos and co
....
And from august 2003 they have been programming the engine we know. Just look at pics from the old 2001 engine and you will know.
If it was a scam, it's a pretty goddamn retarded one.
They set a solid date in 03, they got bought out, they haven't set a real date since then.
How can he believe them? Because Darkfall is a Sandbox lovers only hope.
Big projects being set back isn't lies, it's reality and happens all the time. I am not (very) naive, I don't belive the hype of AoC or WAR. I will not buy a game until I have beta/tested it or someone I trust say its cool. I will judge Darkfall if or when it comes out. What I do belive is that crying myself to sleep over lost betadates in any game, will not influence this or any other game whatsoever. So take a break, play another game and join us if or when the game comes out.---
And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
hey taxdude guy, the one who started this thread, do you have an account called timberwolve on warcry darkfall forums. You say all of this stuff about unproven program, so what!, this could be a good program, that is why it took so long in the beggining to even start,, they had to program and perfect a new code to follow. Second, most games take 6-7 years to complete, especialley mmorpg's, we just dont know about it till they are nearly through with the project. intended feaures vrs manpower, lets see, to explain that i will simply use that fact of a small development team and minimal recources. The thing is, they may have little manpower, but they are taking their time and doing stuff slowly as to not release a crap game, manpower means nothing, the job can still be done. another, missed deadlines, there are so many other games that have missed deadlines by years, just look them up. Missed deadlines mean nothing as long as they release a good game in the end. adventurine didnt start as a publisher, they started as a game designing studio. at this moment in time they are looking for a publisher to help them with them with, well, publishing. No game will display everything before the beta, they have basicly displayed as much as they can so far without revealing the inportant stuff, like the different skills and spells. all the videos contain new content. all the screenshots are still new. Those months that nothing new is provided, how do you know they arnt just orking on a spesific area, like a race capital city and area around it before they put in into the website. They are not showing the same stuff at this point, they are updating the site as well, and will launch another one shortly. Idiot, the name of the person in charge of the community is the staff director Bronnoc. and they have several moderators to help. the volenteers are just there to help noobs out. I dont even trylu know what you mean by number 7, they can still trademark it at anytime, just if something else comes up named darkfall, and they get it trademarked, then the darkfall game can still just continue because they already had a running title. Number eight, well lets see, would it be a smart idea to tell the people everything about their game. all games need to be supprises, not, ok, were gonna give you what weve been giving you the exact information for for the past 3 years. consumers like suprises and discovering things when the game releases, keeping the game to an overview at this point is very good. already talked about number 9 and ten, so that is all i want to yell at you about now, goodbye.
If it was a scam, it's a pretty goddamn retarded one.
They set a solid date in 03, they got bought out, they haven't set a real date since then.
How can he believe them? Because Darkfall is a Sandbox lovers only hope.
Big projects being set back isn't lies, it's reality and happens all the time. I am not (very) naive, I don't belive the hype of AoC or WAR. I will not buy a game until I have beta/tested it or someone I trust say its cool. I will judge Darkfall if or when it comes out. What I do belive is that crying myself to sleep over lost betadates in any game, will not influence this or any other game whatsoever. So take a break, play another game and join us if or when the game comes out.No matter how big a project is, if it gets pushed back 4 years thats a bad sign.
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Well, try redesign the whole game to make it work/look better.
That can take some time.
Ohh!, and IT TAKES TIME TO DEVELOP A MMO
Yes the 2 guys that was making Darkfall part time between 2001-2003 counts? Now that is very interesting I have to say. The first 2-3 years of this game's life was just to see if there was support for a game like this, do you think two unknown guys would have gotten enough cash to produce a game of this size for the last 4 years if they had not done the things and promised the things they did in 2001?
At worst you can call them dreamers that thought it would only take 2 guys 2 years to make a game like darkfall, they have since obviously become wiser but in no way can you really claim that the game went into production prior to 2003, in fact the game has been in production less then 4 years not more.
If you count in post production blizzard spent 8 years on WoW, with over 200 staff and a much inferior game to Darkfall they are doing an amazing job.
Lastly I would like to say that I hate all you people that think you have some sort of right to demand things from the guys making Darkfall, they are the once maknig the game of our dreams it seems to me we are the once who owe them, not the other way around. Trolling forums does not give you any rights to demand things from the devs, or are people really that stupid?
Btw I personally know 30+ people that has been following this game since 01-02 and only a handful of them are losing faith and none are calling it vaporware.
I know around 300+ people who have been following DF since 2001, and its only like 3-4 of us who still have a figment of hope left
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