And this, of course, is the typical response from mindless vanbois crew. They're so scared of anything that addresses the real state of the game they'll do whatever it takes to not have to see it.
Typical. Pathetic. Vanbois.
i agree. this vanbois here (healzFU) even denies the truths the damn game ceo and designers say about their own game. all he talks about is how people that dont agree with him are haters/liars. funny stuff if you ask me. who is lying and who is telling the truth?
seriously if brad says its broken then it it broken. period. nothing healzFU can say to change the fact the guy that made this game knows more about it then anyone.
oh its also funny this tool will tell the world he has blocked us yet still comment on our posts after we have been blocked only to tell us he blocked us again....
I agree on several points made so far throughout this post.
The OP if possible should try a buddy key if anyone would be so kind as to send them one. It is by far the safest route to finding out if you like the game. Personally I'm not adverse to shelling out a few dollars to check something out, and don't much care what others think.
Kind of...
This quote is the kind of.
Brad never said the game was broken, even the the orinal quoter guy got it wrong. My single braincell is working to write the post so someone else will have to link to Brads letter.
He adressed the issues of the games performance.
OP, if you are runnign a system with say a single core processor, an AGP graffics card (even the top of the line), and less then 1g of ram then you may have trouble with performance. The game will run, and can run fine, BUT it's not going to look very good. Hitching is not so bad when zoning, maybe a little more then a second, but not more then 20. You also don't zone that often that it's a game breaker.
Bugs are fixed with patches, and addressed. The gold dupping issue is a common issues found in many games, and not just early in release. It's not the killer that many would have you beleive; considering many other MMO's have severe economy issues, or no economy feature at all.
The guys that don't like the game are more addept at twisting and "hyping" the negetives, then the fans are at pointing out and addressing what the game features. The "haters" will downplay the possitives because they don't like the game.
It's the highlighted part that turns my stomach, because that is a bold faced lie. (is that a pun?)
I could care less about VG. I just come here for my soaps.
I wanted to point out something Yarsago (sp) wrote about the computers some people are running, and "core" gamer. A little off topic.
The "core" gamer has a tendency to buy PC's like consoles; then expect them to run everything on the market. This is my opinion. Hardware is not created equal.]
AoC is coming out soon, and is an Xbox360 title that will also release for the PC. If you think that Age of Conan is going to run on a system that wouldn't run VG then you are copletely out of your mind. By the time that game releases however, people will have upgraded thier mobo's and Gfx cards, and VG will run a lot better.
The technology doesn't move as quickly with PC's as it does with consoles. Move meaning, not as many people spend the money to upgrade a PC as they do a console.
Upgrade your PC's people. It helps the industry and gamers alike.
This is my favorite one of all. I keep hearing this all the time. The other day someone approach me, and asked me what games do I play. I told him VG, and he wanted to play the game after i gave him details. He tells me that his computer is a good one and only one year old. I ask him, whats the memory and video card. The answer I got was very tipical. He told he has 512k and onboard video. I told him to stick to Diablo 2. Just because you brought a computer today doesnt mean you didnt buy a crap one, lol. My system is about getting to 3 years old and its still better what some of you guys are buying today. Whats the differances between a core player and a causal player? I answers this by telling you whats a casual is. Casual gamer is a term used to describe a type of video game player whose time or interest in playing games is limited compared with a hardcore gamer. They can be found playing games across all genres and of varying levels of complexity and difficulty. However, they do not devote the amount of time or practice to video games spent by hardcore gamers. Whereas a hardcore gamer may approach gaming with the mindset of a professional, a casual gamer would think more like a hobbyist My mindset is of a professional player so i try my best to have the right tools, hence computer, and you see my friend your mindset is of a hobbyist. This why some hate VG, the game needs a good computer and the mindset of a player that wants more then WOW.
First of all, I'm not a liar.
You see, I have no interest in lying. I've bought the game, tried it, stopped in april because of the issues I had with it, and resuscribed thursday on the advice of healz4you who now owes me 15 bucks.
So what I'm saying, is what I'm seeing. Call it lies, you're just discrediting yourself.
Concerning the quote above, I would advise you to read the whole thread. I 've posted the specifications about my system in this very thread. And it is nothing like your 3 year old ZX spectrum. You know why? Because I, me, myself, am a real hardcore considering the definition you give of the term (to which I absolutely do not agree): my hobby is gaming and only gaming. My money goes into system, parts, games you name it. So do I know what a good game is? You bet. I have played each and every occidental MMO up to date+FFXXI and Lineage II. I've tried them all, from UO to LOTRO. I'm a collector of MMOS.
So does that mean I'm more enlighted than you are considering I've more experience than you do? Well you tell me.
Me, I'd say my opinion is well worth yours and that of others.
Edit: to the guy before who said I didn't choose the right time to take a screenshot of the server population, there you go: more screenshots taken right now. 9.24 am, tokyo time.
Good luck finding a group with that kind of population, even with the LFG tag that I always have on (don't insult my intelligence Yarisagos )
Edit:post edited for the name calling. I see the moderation here is on a a tight leash.
Lineage 2's server status is much the same at the right time of days, yet the servers are still hoping, and the game is doing well. What's your point?
You should use some of the energy you put into trying to convince others that your view of the game is the only right one and invest it into something more worthwhile and productive Striketeam. Repeatedly posting about something you dislike only shows how bitter a person can be over something as petty and stupid as a video game.
I did read your posts, and yes the specs you gave will run VG well. I was pointing out, how you and many others believe just because you got a new system within a short period of time doesnt mean its a good computer. In your case it was true, in most they just are clueless. Like one poster mention, people are buying PC like x-boxes and expecting they can run anything that says PC game.
The reason i call you a liar still stands, you are misleading players about VG.
VG is not WOW, LOTRO, EQ2 or Lineage II or matter of fact, I see no games out there thats even like VG game play. The closest is like the orginal Eq but differant.
Your comparing a Game to others that can not be compare to. You want to bitch about a game?
Lets go after lineage II, what a piece of crap that is, let me see. The NCsoft allows botters, cheaters and who know what else is going there. If you really played that game you will agree 100 %, that you will see thousands of botters running around, with there trademark names; iioioioiii, oooopop, asdffg, and it goes on. About every Hero is a botter. The game play is the most retarted and brainless you can reach, talk about grinding, lineage is the king of it. I got to Grade A, DC geared, with a plus 10 Sword and my 56 star dragon mount in 5 month. There is no gameplay in lineage II, everyone solo and are cluelless players, they have no idea how to work as a team. I played eq for over 6 years, I was the top player on my server, not in HP, or mana, alone, in about every freaking stats, if it had a number, my was the highest. Thats the main reason why i left eq, it was dumb down so much, it got too boring.
If your a skilled player you will need not a group for everything, there is alot of things you can get done. As I am typing this, I got the cat mask, the one with the self casting that turns you into a panther and gives 20% run speed. I solo the last two names that you need for the quest, you need there heads. I am kos to those miners, my faction is about 19k. You know how hard is it to move around in that mine with everything kos to you? Miners are 2-3 levels higher then me, i get allot of resists from these mobs, because of the level differances. What game can you claim that you can solo and prove that you can? If your a skilled player you can solo or duo well, if you suck, you die like you should.
If you want to solo, and you think your good then do it in VG, not in some stupid skilless game. Any idiot can solo in WOW or any other game, can you say the same thing about VG?
My computer plays VG very well, and I dont not have those issues you claim. The two top reason why some hate VG, is the computer that the player have and the problem that VG is not a MMO for them , its not WOW. Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
Originally posted by Yarisagos Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Edit: Except Eve Online, where you need the extra three brain cells required to run Excel.
Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Then you never played at a higher level, and I dont mean toon levels, lol. Just button mushing in VG would make you not be invited in my groups, period.
Lineage 2's server status is much the same at the right time of days, yet the servers are still hoping, and the game is doing well. What's your point? My point is that low server population at peak time is not good for any game, moreso for a group based game with a large superficy like Vanguard. Where is the fun in being locked out of the most challenging areas of the game because of the lack of players?
Sure, I don't doubt that Lineage II servers also reach low populations, but these screens were taken at 8.30PM New York time, on a Friday night. This is peak time.
You should use some of the energy you put into trying to convince others that your view of the game is the only right one and invest it into something more worthwhile and productive Striketeam.
Let me quote myself:
Originally posted by StrikeTeam
Bottom line: The game doesn't run well on my 6 months old system, and the gameplay, for me, sucks balls.
See the part where I say "for me"? That means I'm not trying to convince anyone that my opinion is right. It only means it's a reality for me. And if what I'm experiencing as a laggy , buggy, unfinished, poorly coded game is the reality for me, it might be also for a lot of people out there who have the same "vision" of MMOS and a similar PC.
Repeatedly posting about something you dislike only shows how bitter a person can be over something as petty and stupid as a video game.
You bet I'm bitter. Unkept promises, game running like a hog, dumbed down gameplay and character advancement...all that for a mere $50+($15x4)
I guess I have the right to be bitter. And since there's no official forum to vent on, I'll put this one to good use.
We're not talking about Vanguard in comparison to other games, but of Vanguard in and for itself. I don't care that Lineage II sucks. I agree completely with you on that point.
If you want my list of games that don't suck here they are:
AC1: Seamless world, skill based system, excellent character advancement possibilities.
Anarchy Online: Huge world, superb lore, excellent character advancement and customisation.
EvE: I never really got into the game because I lack the brains, but what I saw of it amazed. Now THAT is a game with potential. Realized potential.
Everquest 2: Many races, many classes, great gameplay, great character advancement possibilities thanks to the AAs.
CoH:A fun game, with no pretention. I did not play for long, but what it does, it does well.
The games I'mk looking for?
Gods and Heroes, because of the character advancement possibilities and the setting.
Pirates of the burning seas, because of the setting.
Age of Conan, because of the risks taken by funcom. We'll see if everything is implemented as they say or if it falls flat like vanguard.
The games I don't like: DAoC, WoW, DnL, asian MMOS in general and Vanguard.
I did read your posts, and yes the specs you gave will run VG well. I was pointing out, how you and many others believe just because you got a new system within a short period of time doesnt mean its a good computer. In your case it was true, in most they just are clueless. Like one poster mention, people are buying PC like x-boxes and expecting they can run anything that says PC game. The reason i call you a liar still stands, you are misleading players about VG. VG is not WOW, LOTRO, EQ2 or Lineage II or matter of fact, I see no games out there thats even like VG game play. The closest is like the orginal Eq but differant. Your comparing a Game to others that can not be compare to. You want to bitch about a game? Lets go after lineage II, what a piece of crap that is, let me see. The NCsoft allows botters, cheaters and who know what else is going there. If you really played that game you will agree 100 %, that you will see thousands of botters running around, with there trademark names; iioioioiii, oooopop, asdffg, and it goes on. About every Hero is a botter. The game play is the most retarted and brainless you can reach, talk about grinding, lineage is the king of it. I got to Grade A, DC geared, with a plus 10 Sword and my 56 star dragon mount in 5 month. There is no gameplay in lineage II, everyone solo and are cluelless players, they have no idea how to work as a team. I played eq for over 6 years, I was the top player on my server, not in HP, or mana, alone, in about every freaking stats, if it had a number, my was the highest. Thats the main reason why i left eq, it was dumb down so much, it got too boring. If your a skilled player you will need not a group for everything, there is alot of things you can get done. As I am typing this, I got the cat mask, the one with the self casting that turns you into a panther and gives 20% run speed. I solo the two names that you need for the quest, you need there heads. I am kos to those miners, my faction is about 19k. You know how hard is it to move around in that mine with everything kos to you? Miners are 2-3 levels higher then me, i get allot of resists from these mobs, because of the level differances. What game can you claim that you can solo and prove that you can? If your a skilled player you can solo or duo well, if you suck, you die like you should. If you want to solo, and you think your good then do it in VG, not in some stupid skilless game. Any idiot can solo in WOW or any other game, can you say the same thing about VG? My computer plays VG very well, and I dont not have those issues you claim. The two top reason why some hate VG, is the computer that the player have and the problem that VG is not a MMO for them , its not WOW. Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
Dem fightin words man.
I love L2. It's a coldblooded game that's right to the point and doesn't try to be anything other then what it is. It's also def. not a "mainstream" game. In my opinion it is also by far the best looking game out. I wish VG looked like L2.
It's funny to, cause my account is over 2 years old and the highest I've gotten is C gear But I do have every pet in the game. No strider however.
What bots!? I have never seen wave after waves of dwarves killing themselves over and over at a guard or completely taking over a hunting ground. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never killed bot lvling parties healers and watched them die a slow death to mobs and take any gear that dropped before they made the game easier. I refuse to believe that all those lvl 1 elfs at the race track are gold sellers. Refuse I tell you, refuse! Hell, if you play on Deviane server you can learn Greek.
The PVP part is great. I love when a group of players thought they were big shots and think they could steal my camp, lol.
When there healer drops like a cheap , well you know what goes there. And they all go running like rats. It was funny, that i did lose some time, because they all went in differant directions, lol. I got confused, didnt know who i should kill next, haha. But other then that, its a brainless game. I am not big in PVP, but when you need to deal with idiots, PVP becomes fun, lol.
I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3. So agro control is not a skill? So over healing is not a skill? Pulling is not a skill? Dying and when not to is not a skill? CC is not a skill? Pet control and when not to is not a skill? NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill? Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill? Those are what i can think about atm. What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
AO, DAoC, WoW, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, CoH/CoV, LOTRO and about every other MMO out there. There's nothing specific to vanguard or that vanguard does better than the others in what you said.
I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3. So agro control is not a skill? So over healing is not a skill? Pulling is not a skill? Dying and when not to is not a skill? CC is not a skill? Pet control and when not to is not a skill? NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill? Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill? Those are what i can think about atm. What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
AO, DAoC, WoW, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, CoH/CoV, LOTRO and about every other MMO out there. There's nothing specific to vanguard or that vanguard does better than the others in what you said.
Edit: Who is nina?
I disagree, and I can prove it by everyone that thinks VG can not be soloed. VG skills means something, its not like any other game combat.
Originally posted by Yarisagos Originally posted by Coldmeat
Originally posted by Yarisagos Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much. Then you never played at a higher level, and I dont mean toon levels, lol. Just button mushing in VG would make you not be invited in my groups, period.
I see. So now we're no longer talking about average gameplay, but solely the top 1%? That's fine too. The amount of thought, and energy required to be in the top 1% in VG is no more, no less than in any of the other AAA titles. Even less so compared to the days of EQ,DAoC, AO, SWG, etc. Now you can whip up a nice XML UI that konks you on the head when it's time to do X. As for your group? Ok. Your loss for reading more into something than what is there. As such, I probably wouldn't want a spot in that group either. Though, even drunk on a whole bottle of nice Irish Whiskey, I'll give 9/10ths of the healers you know a run for their money.
Originally posted by Yarisagos I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3. So agro control is not a skill? So over healing is not a skill? Pulling is not a skill? Dying and when not to is not a skill? CC is not a skill? Pet control and when not to is not a skill? NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill? Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill? Those are what i can think about atm. What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
Again, you're getting into specifics, rather than basic gameplay, but I'll play along.
No, not a skill. Sure some people have a better reaction time, but that's not a skill, that's a talent. You can't learn faster reaction time.
Beyond that, all you need to be is awake. Time to whip out a counterspell? Ooh, a flashing button telling me what to push. And so on.
As for things like overhealing, pulling, etc. Not a skill. Simply a matter of player experience. Given time, Joe Sixpack could be just as good a healer as anyone else, if he cared enough to learn the ropes. Some people might be "better" than him, due to faster reaction time, more overall experience as a healer, or just spending more time min/maxing as a healer. That doesn't make him less skilled, just less experienced. Assuming gear is not a factor, of course.
I just don't see someone being genetically predispositioned to being a better healer/tank/puller than some other person.
Perhaps it's splitting hairs over semantics, but nevertheless, that's my take. Feel free to lob all the lame insults you want.
I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3. So agro control is not a skill? So over healing is not a skill? Pulling is not a skill? Dying and when not to is not a skill? CC is not a skill? Pet control and when not to is not a skill? NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill? Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill? Those are what i can think about atm. What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
AO, DAoC, WoW, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, CoH/CoV, LOTRO and about every other MMO out there. There's nothing specific to vanguard or that vanguard does better than the others in what you said.
Edit: Who is nina?
All those games use the same basic interface mechanics, but VG and EQ2 are the only ones that take it to another lvl. Even then I think VG did it better then EQ2.
It's a little misleading to simply lump VG's combat mechanics in with every other game. With the expection of FF Xl, I've played everyone one of those games and EQ2 and VG's combat system is not like any of the others. There's more depth and complexity then the rest.
The content you are talking about is not designed to be soloed.
So basically, It's not difficulty, it's artificial difficulty: you are creating your own obstacles. I can do the exact same thing in EQ2, try to solo an orange, survive and claim that I have skills, and that the game is wicked. For that matter, I can do that in any game out there. Taking out "challenging" encounters by yourself hardly means the game is difficult or has a good gameplay. It only means that you are doing things you are not supposd to do in order to keep you entertained because the devs haven't been able to create meaningful solo content.
Edit: concerning the above post
I disagree. I don't think you can say that VG or EQ2 gameplay stand out comparing to other games. Neither of these two games really "shine", because they bring nothing new to the genre, their gameplay is still old school. Well at least EQ2 has AA skills.
Age of Conan should bring something new to the genre, but we'll see when it's out.
Originally posted by fariic1 Originally posted by StrikeTeam Originally posted by Yarisagos I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3. So agro control is not a skill? So over healing is not a skill? Pulling is not a skill? Dying and when not to is not a skill? CC is not a skill? Pet control and when not to is not a skill? NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill? Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill? Those are what i can think about atm. What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
AO, DAoC, WoW, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, CoH/CoV, LOTRO and about every other MMO out there. There's nothing specific to vanguard or that vanguard does better than the others in what you said.
Edit: Who is nina?
All those games use the same basic interface mechanics, but VG and EQ2 are the only ones that take it to another lvl. Even then I think VG did it better then EQ2. It's a little misleading to simply lump VG's combat mechanics in with every other game. With the expection of FF Xl, I've played everyone one of those games and EQ2 and VG's combat system is not like any of the others. There's more depth and complexity then the rest.
True, scratch beyond the surface, and there is a modicum of depth over other games.
But...
Do you need HO's in EQ2 to be successful? No. They can make life easier, and can swing a fight in your favor when things are down to the wire, but their use isn't a necessity. Same goes with the reactionary skills, sympathetic skills, counterspells, and so forth, in VG.
DAoC, also had both positional, and reactionary melee attacks, as well as chains. Some, if I remember, even worked off of the actions other players in your group. I.E. if anyone in your group blocked an attack, you could use attack X. And even it was probably not the first to make use of this idea, not counting Rogues needing to backstab from behind in EQ, et all.
Sadly, combat wise, AC, as old as it is, probably had the most interesting combat out of any of the MMO's out there.
I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3.
So agro control is not a skill?
So over healing is not a skill?
Pulling is not a skill?
Dying and when not to is not a skill?
CC is not a skill?
Pet control and when not to is not a skill?
NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill?
Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill?
Those are what i can think about atm.
What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
AO, DAoC, WoW, EQ2, EQ1, FFXI, CoH/CoV, LOTRO and about every other MMO out there. There's nothing specific to vanguard or that vanguard does better than the others in what you said.
Edit: Who is nina?
All those games use the same basic interface mechanics, but VG and EQ2 are the only ones that take it to another lvl. Even then I think VG did it better then EQ2.
It's a little misleading to simply lump VG's combat mechanics in with every other game. With the expection of FF Xl, I've played everyone one of those games and EQ2 and VG's combat system is not like any of the others. There's more depth and complexity then the rest.
True, scratch beyond the surface, and there is a modicum of depth over other games.
But...
Do you need HO's in EQ2 to be successful? No. They can make life easier, and can swing a fight in your favor when things are down to the wire, but their use isn't a necessity. Same goes with the reactionary skills, sympathetic skills, counterspells, and so forth, in VG.
DAoC, also had both positional, and reactionary melee attacks, as well as chains. Some, if I remember, even worked off of the actions other players in your group. I.E. if anyone in your group blocked an attack, you could use attack X. And even it was probably not the first to make use of this idea, not counting Rogues needing to backstab from behind in EQ, et all.
Sadly, combat wise, AC, as old as it is, probably had the most interesting combat out of any of the MMO's out there.
I never made it far enough in DAoC to do any grouping; so I stand corrected on that.
And you have a very valid point. Even in VG the group combat effects can be ignored.
Sadly its this same basic combat and UI that is keeping me from really getting into MMO's at the moment. Started drooling to much on the keyboard and sprained my index finger.
Never made it past character creation. Got stuck staring at my dark elf's bondage armor, and th-th-th-thong . Well, not entirely true, but I never made it that far during beta...
Rflmao, just running around with a dark elf female was enough to get me hooked. OMG!! they jiggle!!!
Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Then you never played at a higher level, and I dont mean toon levels, lol. Just button mushing in VG would make you not be invited in my groups, period.
I see. So now we're no longer talking about average gameplay, but solely the top 1%? That's fine too. The amount of thought, and energy required to be in the top 1% in VG is no more, no less than in any of the other AAA titles. Even less so compared to the days of EQ,DAoC, AO, SWG, etc. Now you can whip up a nice XML UI that konks you on the head when it's time to do X. As for your group? Ok. Your loss for reading more into something than what is there. As such, I probably wouldn't want a spot in that group either. Though, even drunk on a whole bottle of nice Irish Whiskey, I'll give 9/10ths of the healers you know a run for their money.
Originally posted by Yarisagos
I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3.
So agro control is not a skill?
So over healing is not a skill?
Pulling is not a skill?
Dying and when not to is not a skill?
CC is not a skill?
Pet control and when not to is not a skill?
NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill?
Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill?
Those are what i can think about atm.
What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
Again, you're getting into specifics, rather than basic gameplay, but I'll play along.
No, not a skill. Sure some people have a better reaction time, but that's not a skill, that's a talent. You can't learn faster reaction time.
Beyond that, all you need to be is awake. Time to whip out a counterspell? Ooh, a flashing button telling me what to push. And so on.
As for things like overhealing, pulling, etc. Not a skill. Simply a matter of player experience. Given time, Joe Sixpack could be just as good a healer as anyone else, if he cared enough to learn the ropes. Some people might be "better" than him, due to faster reaction time, more overall experience as a healer, or just spending more time min/maxing as a healer. That doesn't make him less skilled, just less experienced. Assuming gear is not a factor, of course.
I just don't see someone being genetically predispositioned to being a better healer/tank/puller than some other person.
Perhaps it's splitting hairs over semantics, but nevertheless, that's my take. Feel free to lob all the lame insults you want.
Its not even worth talking you, if you think every healer, tank, cc, or even dps players are about the same level skills then its hopeless.
What makes a top group versa a common group is the target of the group ( the mob and loot we going after) and the deaths from it.
Where does skill come from? Doesnt it come from being experienced? But being experienced does it mean your skilled?
HELL NO. Skills comes from being experience and know how to use it. Just having the knowledge is not enough, you got to know how to use it. The part that makes me sad, most new mmos players have no clue on what I am talking about.
What makes FoH better than Family Guild #11231320984, or even wannabe uber guild #12412 isn't skill. The guys in FoH are more dedicated, and most importantly, exhibit better teamwork than the average group.
They may well be "skilled" players, but that boils down to experience. The guys in FoH aren't somehow genetically better at EQ/WoW/Whatever than the guys in Afterlife, Permafrost, Legacy of Steel, or even the random PUG.
Beethoven, or Mozart, had skill aka talent. All the practice, lessons, etc, will not put you on the same playing field as musicians such as them.
If a player were willing to put in the time, and energy, they could be just as good, reaction time aside, as anyone from FoH, et all.
The content you are talking about is not designed to be soloed.
So basically, It's not difficulty, it's artificial difficulty: you are creating your own obstacles. I can do the exact same thing in EQ2, try to solo an orange, survive and claim that I have skills, and that the game is wicked. For that matter, I can do that in any game out there. Taking out "challenging" encounters by yourself hardly means the game is difficult or has a good gameplay. It only means that you are doing things you are not supposd to do in order to keep you entertained because the devs haven't been able to create meaningful solo content.
Edit: concerning the above post
I disagree. I don't think you can say that VG or EQ2 gameplay stand out comparing to other games. Neither of these two games really "shine", because they bring nothing new to the genre, their gameplay is still old school. Well at least EQ2 has AA skills.
Age of Conan should bring something new to the genre, but we'll see when it's out.
You make no sence... every game ihas an artficial difficutly. In VG i decide how I play, if i take risks then my rewards are better then those that do not. In LOTRO every fool has the same title, the same gear, looks the same. Its so stupid and pointless.
Right now I have the Kalentas line of gear, it only been in the game for couple of weeks, I was about 23 when i got them. I would like to see how many players have done those line quest at my levels. What you wear tells others how well you play. In every other MMOs that is not case.
Originally posted by Yarisagos What you wear tells others how well you play. In every other MMOs that is not case.
Not true to the extent that in any gear-centric game(EQ, DAoC, WoW, etc) your gear is going to show where you are, progression wise. Or it's going to show you as a twink, depending on how heavy handed the game is with BoE/BoP or TLC.
As far as defining a players worth by their gear, gonna disagree there as well. If I had a dime for every time I grouped with some tool with high end gear that couldn't find their ass with both hands and a map, I wouldn't be playing MMO's, I'd be able to buy my own MMO. Maybe you soloed your way through the particular quest line in question, but there's no way to differentiate between someone that did it solo, 5 levels below the quest level, and someone that brought 30 friends and zerged their way through the quest.
What makes FoH better than Family Guild #11231320984, or even wannabe uber guild #12412 isn't skill. The guys in FoH are more dedicated, and most importantly, exhibit better teamwork than the average group. They may well be "skilled" players, but that boils down to experience. The guys in FoH aren't somehow genetically better at EQ/WoW/Whatever than the guys in Afterlife, Permafrost, Legacy of Steel, or even the random PUG. Beethoven, or Mozart, had skill aka talent. All the practice, lessons, etc, will not put you on the same playing field as musicians such as them. If a player were willing to put in the time, and energy, they could be just as good, reaction time aside, as anyone from FoH, et all.
Again you dont understand. In the real world not everyone can be what they desire, they can only be what they can be, no more or less. The factors that control what person will be is endless. MMOs are no differant. Like the real world, if your a lazy player, and i use that word losely.
Your not going to do well. VG is a game for those that want something more,
BTW like in the real world, we have tons of idiots running around playing MMOs, in VG they dont last long. Hence why we have haters, its a game not meant for them.
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Typical. Pathetic. Vanbois.
i agree. this vanbois here (healzFU) even denies the truths the damn game ceo and designers say about their own game. all he talks about is how people that dont agree with him are haters/liars. funny stuff if you ask me. who is lying and who is telling the truth?
seriously if brad says its broken then it it broken. period. nothing healzFU can say to change the fact the guy that made this game knows more about it then anyone.
oh its also funny this tool will tell the world he has blocked us yet still comment on our posts after we have been blocked only to tell us he blocked us again....
I agree on several points made so far throughout this post.
The OP if possible should try a buddy key if anyone would be so kind as to send them one. It is by far the safest route to finding out if you like the game. Personally I'm not adverse to shelling out a few dollars to check something out, and don't much care what others think.
Kind of...
This quote is the kind of.
Brad never said the game was broken, even the the orinal quoter guy got it wrong. My single braincell is working to write the post so someone else will have to link to Brads letter.
He adressed the issues of the games performance.
OP, if you are runnign a system with say a single core processor, an AGP graffics card (even the top of the line), and less then 1g of ram then you may have trouble with performance. The game will run, and can run fine, BUT it's not going to look very good. Hitching is not so bad when zoning, maybe a little more then a second, but not more then 20. You also don't zone that often that it's a game breaker.
Bugs are fixed with patches, and addressed. The gold dupping issue is a common issues found in many games, and not just early in release. It's not the killer that many would have you beleive; considering many other MMO's have severe economy issues, or no economy feature at all.
The guys that don't like the game are more addept at twisting and "hyping" the negetives, then the fans are at pointing out and addressing what the game features. The "haters" will downplay the possitives because they don't like the game.
It's the highlighted part that turns my stomach, because that is a bold faced lie. (is that a pun?)
I could care less about VG. I just come here for my soaps.
I wanted to point out something Yarsago (sp) wrote about the computers some people are running, and "core" gamer. A little off topic.
The "core" gamer has a tendency to buy PC's like consoles; then expect them to run everything on the market. This is my opinion. Hardware is not created equal.]
AoC is coming out soon, and is an Xbox360 title that will also release for the PC. If you think that Age of Conan is going to run on a system that wouldn't run VG then you are copletely out of your mind. By the time that game releases however, people will have upgraded thier mobo's and Gfx cards, and VG will run a lot better.
The technology doesn't move as quickly with PC's as it does with consoles. Move meaning, not as many people spend the money to upgrade a PC as they do a console.
Upgrade your PC's people. It helps the industry and gamers alike.
You see, I have no interest in lying. I've bought the game, tried it, stopped in april because of the issues I had with it, and resuscribed thursday on the advice of healz4you who now owes me 15 bucks.
So what I'm saying, is what I'm seeing. Call it lies, you're just discrediting yourself.
Concerning the quote above, I would advise you to read the whole thread. I 've posted the specifications about my system in this very thread. And it is nothing like your 3 year old ZX spectrum. You know why? Because I, me, myself, am a real hardcore considering the definition you give of the term (to which I absolutely do not agree): my hobby is gaming and only gaming. My money goes into system, parts, games you name it. So do I know what a good game is? You bet. I have played each and every occidental MMO up to date+FFXXI and Lineage II. I've tried them all, from UO to LOTRO. I'm a collector of MMOS.
So does that mean I'm more enlighted than you are considering I've more experience than you do? Well you tell me.
Me, I'd say my opinion is well worth yours and that of others.
Edit: to the guy before who said I didn't choose the right time to take a screenshot of the server population, there you go: more screenshots taken right now. 9.24 am, tokyo time.
Good luck finding a group with that kind of population, even with the LFG tag that I always have on (don't insult my intelligence Yarisagos )
Edit:post edited for the name calling. I see the moderation here is on a a tight leash.
Lineage 2's server status is much the same at the right time of days, yet the servers are still hoping, and the game is doing well. What's your point?
You should use some of the energy you put into trying to convince others that your view of the game is the only right one and invest it into something more worthwhile and productive Striketeam. Repeatedly posting about something you dislike only shows how bitter a person can be over something as petty and stupid as a video game.
I did read your posts, and yes the specs you gave will run VG well. I was pointing out, how you and many others believe just because you got a new system within a short period of time doesnt mean its a good computer. In your case it was true, in most they just are clueless. Like one poster mention, people are buying PC like x-boxes and expecting they can run anything that says PC game.
The reason i call you a liar still stands, you are misleading players about VG.
VG is not WOW, LOTRO, EQ2 or Lineage II or matter of fact, I see no games out there thats even like VG game play. The closest is like the orginal Eq but differant.
Your comparing a Game to others that can not be compare to. You want to bitch about a game?
Lets go after lineage II, what a piece of crap that is, let me see. The NCsoft allows botters, cheaters and who know what else is going there. If you really played that game you will agree 100 %, that you will see thousands of botters running around, with there trademark names; iioioioiii, oooopop, asdffg, and it goes on. About every Hero is a botter. The game play is the most retarted and brainless you can reach, talk about grinding, lineage is the king of it. I got to Grade A, DC geared, with a plus 10 Sword and my 56 star dragon mount in 5 month. There is no gameplay in lineage II, everyone solo and are cluelless players, they have no idea how to work as a team. I played eq for over 6 years, I was the top player on my server, not in HP, or mana, alone, in about every freaking stats, if it had a number, my was the highest. Thats the main reason why i left eq, it was dumb down so much, it got too boring.
If your a skilled player you will need not a group for everything, there is alot of things you can get done. As I am typing this, I got the cat mask, the one with the self casting that turns you into a panther and gives 20% run speed. I solo the last two names that you need for the quest, you need there heads. I am kos to those miners, my faction is about 19k. You know how hard is it to move around in that mine with everything kos to you? Miners are 2-3 levels higher then me, i get allot of resists from these mobs, because of the level differances. What game can you claim that you can solo and prove that you can? If your a skilled player you can solo or duo well, if you suck, you die like you should.
If you want to solo, and you think your good then do it in VG, not in some stupid skilless game. Any idiot can solo in WOW or any other game, can you say the same thing about VG?
My computer plays VG very well, and I dont not have those issues you claim. The two top reason why some hate VG, is the computer that the player have and the problem that VG is not a MMO for them , its not WOW. Its a game for those that need more then a brainless, skilless games thats seem to be flooding the market.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Edit: Except Eve Online, where you need the extra three brain cells required to run Excel.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Then you never played at a higher level, and I dont mean toon levels, lol. Just button mushing in VG would make you not be invited in my groups, period.
We're not talking about Vanguard in comparison to other games, but of Vanguard in and for itself. I don't care that Lineage II sucks. I agree completely with you on that point.
If you want my list of games that don't suck here they are:
AC1: Seamless world, skill based system, excellent character advancement possibilities.
Anarchy Online: Huge world, superb lore, excellent character advancement and customisation.
EvE: I never really got into the game because I lack the brains, but what I saw of it amazed. Now THAT is a game with potential. Realized potential.
Everquest 2: Many races, many classes, great gameplay, great character advancement possibilities thanks to the AAs.
CoH:A fun game, with no pretention. I did not play for long, but what it does, it does well.
The games I'mk looking for?
Gods and Heroes, because of the character advancement possibilities and the setting.
Pirates of the burning seas, because of the setting.
Age of Conan, because of the risks taken by funcom. We'll see if everything is implemented as they say or if it falls flat like vanguard.
The games I don't like: DAoC, WoW, DnL, asian MMOS in general and Vanguard.
I be more specfic, about your button thingy 1,2,3.
So agro control is not a skill?
So over healing is not a skill?
Pulling is not a skill?
Dying and when not to is not a skill?
CC is not a skill?
Pet control and when not to is not a skill?
NPC spell casting reaction buttons is not a skill?
Walk like ninas not like a elephant is not a skill?
Those are what i can think about atm.
What game can claim its has all of these things? You really think these are just button mashing?
Dem fightin words man.
I love L2. It's a coldblooded game that's right to the point and doesn't try to be anything other then what it is. It's also def. not a "mainstream" game. In my opinion it is also by far the best looking game out. I wish VG looked like L2.
It's funny to, cause my account is over 2 years old and the highest I've gotten is C gear
But I do have every pet in the game. No strider however.
What bots!? I have never seen wave after waves of dwarves killing themselves over and over at a guard or completely taking over a hunting ground. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have never killed bot lvling parties healers and watched them die a slow death to mobs and take any gear that dropped before they made the game easier.
I refuse to believe that all those lvl 1 elfs at the race track are gold sellers. Refuse I tell you, refuse! Hell, if you play on Deviane server you can learn Greek.
I love that game.
The PVP part is great. I love when a group of players thought they were big shots and think they could steal my camp, lol.
When there healer drops like a cheap , well you know what goes there. And they all go running like rats. It was funny, that i did lose some time, because they all went in differant directions, lol. I got confused, didnt know who i should kill next, haha. But other then that, its a brainless game. I am not big in PVP, but when you need to deal with idiots, PVP becomes fun, lol.
Edit: Who is nina?
Edit: Who is nina?
I disagree, and I can prove it by everyone that thinks VG can not be soloed. VG skills means something, its not like any other game combat.
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Then you never played at a higher level, and I dont mean toon levels, lol. Just button mushing in VG would make you not be invited in my groups, period.
I see. So now we're no longer talking about average gameplay, but solely the top 1%? That's fine too. The amount of thought, and energy required to be in the top 1% in VG is no more, no less than in any of the other AAA titles. Even less so compared to the days of EQ,DAoC, AO, SWG, etc. Now you can whip up a nice XML UI that konks you on the head when it's time to do X. As for your group? Ok. Your loss for reading more into something than what is there. As such, I probably wouldn't want a spot in that group either. Though, even drunk on a whole bottle of nice Irish Whiskey, I'll give 9/10ths of the healers you know a run for their money.
Again, you're getting into specifics, rather than basic gameplay, but I'll play along.
No, not a skill. Sure some people have a better reaction time, but that's not a skill, that's a talent. You can't learn faster reaction time.
Beyond that, all you need to be is awake. Time to whip out a counterspell? Ooh, a flashing button telling me what to push. And so on.
As for things like overhealing, pulling, etc. Not a skill. Simply a matter of player experience. Given time, Joe Sixpack could be just as good a healer as anyone else, if he cared enough to learn the ropes. Some people might be "better" than him, due to faster reaction time, more overall experience as a healer, or just spending more time min/maxing as a healer. That doesn't make him less skilled, just less experienced. Assuming gear is not a factor, of course.
I just don't see someone being genetically predispositioned to being a better healer/tank/puller than some other person.
Perhaps it's splitting hairs over semantics, but nevertheless, that's my take. Feel free to lob all the lame insults you want.
Edit: Who is nina?
All those games use the same basic interface mechanics, but VG and EQ2 are the only ones that take it to another lvl. Even then I think VG did it better then EQ2.
It's a little misleading to simply lump VG's combat mechanics in with every other game. With the expection of FF Xl, I've played everyone one of those games and EQ2 and VG's combat system is not like any of the others. There's more depth and complexity then the rest.
This will prove nothing.
You can solo so what?
The content you are talking about is not designed to be soloed.
So basically, It's not difficulty, it's artificial difficulty: you are creating your own obstacles. I can do the exact same thing in EQ2, try to solo an orange, survive and claim that I have skills, and that the game is wicked. For that matter, I can do that in any game out there. Taking out "challenging" encounters by yourself hardly means the game is difficult or has a good gameplay. It only means that you are doing things you are not supposd to do in order to keep you entertained because the devs haven't been able to create meaningful solo content.
Edit: concerning the above post
I disagree. I don't think you can say that VG or EQ2 gameplay stand out comparing to other games. Neither of these two games really "shine", because they bring nothing new to the genre, their gameplay is still old school. Well at least EQ2 has AA skills.
Age of Conan should bring something new to the genre, but we'll see when it's out.
Edit: Who is nina?
All those games use the same basic interface mechanics, but VG and EQ2 are the only ones that take it to another lvl. Even then I think VG did it better then EQ2.
It's a little misleading to simply lump VG's combat mechanics in with every other game. With the expection of FF Xl, I've played everyone one of those games and EQ2 and VG's combat system is not like any of the others. There's more depth and complexity then the rest.
True, scratch beyond the surface, and there is a modicum of depth over other games.
But...
Do you need HO's in EQ2 to be successful? No. They can make life easier, and can swing a fight in your favor when things are down to the wire, but their use isn't a necessity. Same goes with the reactionary skills, sympathetic skills, counterspells, and so forth, in VG.
DAoC, also had both positional, and reactionary melee attacks, as well as chains. Some, if I remember, even worked off of the actions other players in your group. I.E. if anyone in your group blocked an attack, you could use attack X. And even it was probably not the first to make use of this idea, not counting Rogues needing to backstab from behind in EQ, et all.
Sadly, combat wise, AC, as old as it is, probably had the most interesting combat out of any of the MMO's out there.
Edit: Who is nina?
All those games use the same basic interface mechanics, but VG and EQ2 are the only ones that take it to another lvl. Even then I think VG did it better then EQ2.
It's a little misleading to simply lump VG's combat mechanics in with every other game. With the expection of FF Xl, I've played everyone one of those games and EQ2 and VG's combat system is not like any of the others. There's more depth and complexity then the rest.
True, scratch beyond the surface, and there is a modicum of depth over other games.
But...
Do you need HO's in EQ2 to be successful? No. They can make life easier, and can swing a fight in your favor when things are down to the wire, but their use isn't a necessity. Same goes with the reactionary skills, sympathetic skills, counterspells, and so forth, in VG.
DAoC, also had both positional, and reactionary melee attacks, as well as chains. Some, if I remember, even worked off of the actions other players in your group. I.E. if anyone in your group blocked an attack, you could use attack X. And even it was probably not the first to make use of this idea, not counting Rogues needing to backstab from behind in EQ, et all.
Sadly, combat wise, AC, as old as it is, probably had the most interesting combat out of any of the MMO's out there.
I never made it far enough in DAoC to do any grouping; so I stand corrected on that.
And you have a very valid point. Even in VG the group combat effects can be ignored.
Sadly its this same basic combat and UI that is keeping me from really getting into MMO's at the moment. Started drooling to much on the keyboard and sprained my index finger.
L2 is still the roxor though!11!!!
Never made it past character creation. Got stuck staring at my dark elf's bondage armor, and th-th-th-thong
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Well, not entirely true, but I never made it that far during beta...
VG is a lot of things. Some good, some bad. But no MMO, VG included, takes any more brain power, or skill, than is necessary to keep your eyes open, press 1,2,3, and not drool on the keyboard too much.
Then you never played at a higher level, and I dont mean toon levels, lol. Just button mushing in VG would make you not be invited in my groups, period.
I see. So now we're no longer talking about average gameplay, but solely the top 1%? That's fine too. The amount of thought, and energy required to be in the top 1% in VG is no more, no less than in any of the other AAA titles. Even less so compared to the days of EQ,DAoC, AO, SWG, etc. Now you can whip up a nice XML UI that konks you on the head when it's time to do X. As for your group? Ok. Your loss for reading more into something than what is there. As such, I probably wouldn't want a spot in that group either. Though, even drunk on a whole bottle of nice Irish Whiskey, I'll give 9/10ths of the healers you know a run for their money.
Again, you're getting into specifics, rather than basic gameplay, but I'll play along.
No, not a skill. Sure some people have a better reaction time, but that's not a skill, that's a talent. You can't learn faster reaction time.
Beyond that, all you need to be is awake. Time to whip out a counterspell? Ooh, a flashing button telling me what to push. And so on.
As for things like overhealing, pulling, etc. Not a skill. Simply a matter of player experience. Given time, Joe Sixpack could be just as good a healer as anyone else, if he cared enough to learn the ropes. Some people might be "better" than him, due to faster reaction time, more overall experience as a healer, or just spending more time min/maxing as a healer. That doesn't make him less skilled, just less experienced. Assuming gear is not a factor, of course.
I just don't see someone being genetically predispositioned to being a better healer/tank/puller than some other person.
Perhaps it's splitting hairs over semantics, but nevertheless, that's my take. Feel free to lob all the lame insults you want.
Its not even worth talking you, if you think every healer, tank, cc, or even dps players are about the same level skills then its hopeless.
What makes a top group versa a common group is the target of the group ( the mob and loot we going after) and the deaths from it.
Where does skill come from? Doesnt it come from being experienced? But being experienced does it mean your skilled?
HELL NO. Skills comes from being experience and know how to use it. Just having the knowledge is not enough, you got to know how to use it. The part that makes me sad, most new mmos players have no clue on what I am talking about.
What makes FoH better than Family Guild #11231320984, or even wannabe uber guild #12412 isn't skill. The guys in FoH are more dedicated, and most importantly, exhibit better teamwork than the average group.
They may well be "skilled" players, but that boils down to experience. The guys in FoH aren't somehow genetically better at EQ/WoW/Whatever than the guys in Afterlife, Permafrost, Legacy of Steel, or even the random PUG.
Beethoven, or Mozart, had skill aka talent. All the practice, lessons, etc, will not put you on the same playing field as musicians such as them.
If a player were willing to put in the time, and energy, they could be just as good, reaction time aside, as anyone from FoH, et all.
You make no sence... every game ihas an artficial difficutly. In VG i decide how I play, if i take risks then my rewards are better then those that do not. In LOTRO every fool has the same title, the same gear, looks the same. Its so stupid and pointless.
Right now I have the Kalentas line of gear, it only been in the game for couple of weeks, I was about 23 when i got them. I would like to see how many players have done those line quest at my levels. What you wear tells others how well you play. In every other MMOs that is not case.
Not true to the extent that in any gear-centric game(EQ, DAoC, WoW, etc) your gear is going to show where you are, progression wise. Or it's going to show you as a twink, depending on how heavy handed the game is with BoE/BoP or TLC.
As far as defining a players worth by their gear, gonna disagree there as well. If I had a dime for every time I grouped with some tool with high end gear that couldn't find their ass with both hands and a map, I wouldn't be playing MMO's, I'd be able to buy my own MMO. Maybe you soloed your way through the particular quest line in question, but there's no way to differentiate between someone that did it solo, 5 levels below the quest level, and someone that brought 30 friends and zerged their way through the quest.
Again you dont understand. In the real world not everyone can be what they desire, they can only be what they can be, no more or less. The factors that control what person will be is endless. MMOs are no differant. Like the real world, if your a lazy player, and i use that word losely.
Your not going to do well. VG is a game for those that want something more,
BTW like in the real world, we have tons of idiots running around playing MMOs, in VG they dont last long. Hence why we have haters, its a game not meant for them.