Very mis-leading here. Try it again !

Nostaphos

Yup .. just like the title states . Lost it all in one big bang playing eve last week and decided to throw in the towell and re-try Vanguard. Talk about a great decision. A lot of what i read on these boards almost prevented me from  returning but im glad common sense prevailed and i decided to ignore what ive read and re-try it out for myself. Have a level 13 Orc Shaman on the team PvP server (yea i know, still a noob) but im having a ball on him .  The graphics were choppy at first but the game seams to cache itself as you play or something ,.. it runs smoother as you play/relog into the same areas. All in All the performance has improved greatly and i think im gonna stick it out for the long haul =D.

If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D

Aroich1

Wow i couldnt agree more. I neither hate nor like the game but that guy sounds like he works for the game.

"pissy hate folk"? I don't see how discussing the numerous faults with a game that's rated Beta is 'pissy hate'. The game is still beta and I advise people not to play. Hopefull for the games sake. six months down the line it might be nice to play.

Azorith

You know, I stuck it out. I followed Vanguard for MONTHS before it hit retail. I waited, ignoring all the bullshit people were saying.

I finally got in during the last stage of beta. It seemed like it wasn't even ready for beta at that point, but I stuck it out. Spent 50$ getting the game, and played. I started with a guild. It was a nice guild.  Almost 100 people pre-release. After release it just got boring fast.

I was a blacksmith, I was the highest blacksmith on gulgrethor for a while, and in the top 5 all together. But I didn't make it past 3 weeks. 80% of the guild I was in quit before that. It won't keep your attention long, I guarentee it.

The game just straight up sucks. I had high hopes for it. I loved the crafting system, which was the only reason I picked it up in the first place. But the game just wasn't worth my time, or my money.

Rollotamasi

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Can we get a tin foil hat smiley? That would be perfect for a post like this.

Nostaphos

Nope .. No Vanguard Employee here . Just an old school eq player that was anxiously awaiting release of this game and was extremely dissapointed in it (probably just like you) when it finally did. Was a beta tester as well but dont blame me for the released product. This is exactly the type of misleading assumption BS that i was referring to though. The ole "Jump to conclusion / pissy hate folk" gang. not about to get into a silly back and forth with ya over it though , however, thanks for providing the example =D

Hoobley_deleted

Originally posted by Rollotamasi



Can we get a tin foil hat smiley?  That would be perfect for a post like this.

We need that.

Azorith

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by Harafnir

Hello, Vanguard employee! Nice of you to come by, open a new account to get new rats on the sinking ship. Unfortunatly for you.. most people have played it already around here, and know exactly what is the truth and what is really bad marketing.

Can we get a tin foil hat smiley?  That would be perfect for a post like this.

You probably are having fun. And honestly I don't give a fuck. But the game is dieing; and it has been since beta, oh whoops, I meant release...

Nostaphos

If you didnt 'give a .... " you wouldent be posting on it. I know things that i dont "give a ..." about dont recieve any attention from me.

Rollotamasi

Originally posted by Azorith

Originally posted by Rollotamasi

Originally posted by Harafnir

Hello, Vanguard employee! Nice of you to come by, open a new account to get new rats on the sinking ship. Unfortunatly for you.. most people have played it already around here, and know exactly what is the truth and what is really bad marketing.

Can we get a tin foil hat smiley?  That would be perfect for a post like this.

You probably are having fun. And honestly I don't give a fuck. But the game is dieing; and it has been since beta, oh whoops, I meant release...

I hate to break it to you but if games like Dark and Light and Horizons are still hanging on, Vanguard is going to be around for a while.   Is it dying?  I guess that really depends on how you define dying.  In reality, the moment a game releases it begins to die.  Much like how the moment a person is born, they begin to die.

Azorith

Dark and Light and Horizons have more subs now then vanguard did at "release."

Remember how many people threw their pre-orders away? I mean damn, it has to be a record.

Of course something dies after it's born, it happens. Although I've never seen a game with this much hype at one time die out so fast.  People were going insane about this game - before they let people in, that is.

Aroich1

What bothers the 'pissy hate folk' is that they don't want other people to be mislead by people who are enjoying it. It seems ive been tarr'd as a pissy hate folk now.

If you enjoy playing Beta, thats great. What the majority of pissy hate folk want is people not to waste their time on a beta game, they don't want people to be mislead.

 

 

So lets agree the game is beta and nobody is happy you're trying to mis lead people into believing its not. Thats why you were deemed an employee.

Nostaphos

Its not your mind im reading .. its your words... and the fact that you keep coming back to type them . Like i said ..If you didnt 'give a ...." you wouldent be waisting your time on this post .. or even in this VSOH forum at that. I get a good laugh at people that claim "I didnt eat any!" while they are wearing half of it on there shirt.

Azorith

Originally posted by Nostaphos

Its not your mind im reading .. its your words... and the fact that you keep coming back to type them . Like i said ..If you didnt 'give a ...." you wouldent be waisting your time on this post .. or even in this VSOH forum at that. I get a good laugh at people that claim "I didnt eat any!" while they are wearing half of it on there shirt.

Like I said, I'm not playing or paying for the game. So this isn't wasting my time. I'll decide whether or not posting on a forum is a waste of my time, thanks for the tip though.

Guys I'm in deep trouble, I've wasted 5 minutes of my life posting on some forums.

This nostaphos is laughing at me, but he doesn't know. He's really wasting HOURS of his life playing vanguard like it's something cool.

SHHH!!! Don't tell him! Let him suffer, and then join us once he quits... AGAIN.

Steakpuncher

If there was a trial, I would try it. Then if I liked it I would buy it. The issue is there is a lot of "hate" for Vangaurd and it seems to be justified by the most part because the game people were expecting wasn't delivered. This isn't WoW hate where people dislike it because its too "maintstream/easy/popular" etc people genuinley dislike the game because what they were sold and what they were bought were two different things.



Now if Vanguard offered a free trial for say 7 days, people could make up their own mind about the game. At the moment im not sure what to think of it, so I will follow the veiws of the majority which is to stay away. The veiws of the people on MMORPG.com are the best thing I have at the moment to help me decide. If Vangaurd really wants/needs players then they should offer a trial and let people make up their own minds.



I dont want to pay £25 ($50) to a company only to find out the game is laggy/unplayaable/unoptimised/doesnt run well and have to log off and come on MMORPG.com to join the "Vangaurd is a waste of money" patrol. Before anyone compares this to a non-mmorpg game with the "you dont get free trials for those etc" well first of all there are Demo's for many games, and second 99% of the time when you buy one of those games and dislike it, its because it was the wrong type/genre for you in the case of Vangaurd its issue over actually being able to play at all.

mehoron

I must say, VG has come along way since it's "Release". I've seen hundreds of quests added, bumped up performance and visuals, fixed up animations, added class abilities and functions. I'm not a fan boy by any means, but I'm not going to go off and start trash talking a game I haven't played in 6 months. I think that's really the issue, people stuck around for a month after release and left, or only played for a few days and decided the game sucks. I seriously doubt anyone that has trashed talked in this thread has played the game in the last two months.

boojiboy

Originally posted by Nostaphos


Yup .. just like the title states . Lost it all in one big bang playing eve last week and decided to throw in the towell and re-try Vanguard. Talk about a great decision. A lot of what i read on these boards almost prevented me from  returning but im glad common sense prevailed and i decided to ignore what ive read and re-try it out for myself. Have a level 13 Orc Shaman on the team PvP server (yea i know, still a noob) but im having a ball on him .  The graphics were choppy at first but the game seams to cache itself as you play or something ,.. it runs smoother as you play/relog into the same areas. All in All the performance has improved greatly and i think im gonna stick it out for the long haul =D.
If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D

Glad you are retrying and enjoying.  There have been many improvements since launch and although I've enjoyed it straight through, it seems like a lot of people have been returning in the past couple weeks.  Evidenced by Shirdeth hitting medium pop again (haven't seen that since the first two weeks after lauch).

I only read your post, I would assume you were attacked by a troll first thing.  Sorry about that   I also came to this board first to get intel on Vanguard and experienced the same you did, it was very misleading and I almost didn't buy the game because of it.

flood950

It does seem like its gotten better, especially over the last month or so.  I played for about a month then quit but it wasnt due to performance or unmet expectations or anything.  I basically hadnt been following the game at all and had zero expectations.  I ended up moving on because it was a little too time consuming for my lifestyle at the moment but thats nothing wrong with the game, it just wasnt for me really. 



Anyways, one of my friends has been playing since release and I occassionally watch him game a bit and the last time I saw it, it was noticably "better" looking and ran smoother on his system.  Hopefully it keeps improving, it does seem that if they had had more time before launching the game it would have a different reputation than it does now but who knows...each to their own really.  I may give it a try again someday when I have more gaming time available.

Aroich1

For the record.

I played Last Sunday, have a lvl 42 necro, a lvl 18 dread knight and I cancelled my subscription today.

 

Abraxos

Originally posted by Nostaphos


Yup .. just like the title states . Lost it all in one big bang playing eve last week and decided to throw in the towell and re-try Vanguard. Talk about a great decision. A lot of what i read on these boards almost prevented me from  returning but im glad common sense prevailed and i decided to ignore what ive read and re-try it out for myself. Have a level 13 Orc Shaman on the team PvP server (yea i know, still a noob) but im having a ball on him .  The graphics were choppy at first but the game seams to cache itself as you play or something ,.. it runs smoother as you play/relog into the same areas. All in All the performance has improved greatly and i think im gonna stick it out for the long haul =D.
If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D

Truthfully, playing an Orc from 1-12 was the most fun I had in Vanguard, so you are in that honeymoon period. Sigil went back and added content to the 1-10 nubee starting areas for most races. The orcs storyline was pretty good and then around lvl 12 I had to go searching aimlessly for content. By 15 I had to leave and go find another continent and faction grind for several hours because Kojan wasn't finished.

QBorg

Originally posted by Nostaphos 
If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D

Nice try, Brad

Amathe

The 'I came back and it's better" marketing theme marches on. So hilariously transparent. The low post count is a dead giveaway.

Nostaphos

Like i said .. I felt the mis-leading info on these boards about this game was enough to drive me to open an account and post my 2-bits . No transparent  low post count about it. And yup .. i quit 3 weeks in (played beta too) so yea.. I just came back. But if you want to pretend that im really a bunch of vanguard employees gathered around the computer "down at the shop" waiting anxiously to see if the subscriptions start rolling in on account of this brilliant "just came back and its better" strategy then all the power too ya. i think your kinda funny =D

Zsavooz

Originally posted by Harafnir

Hello, Vanguard employee! Nice of you to come by, open a new account to get new rats on the sinking ship. Unfortunatly for you.. most people have played it already around here, and know exactly what is the truth and what is really bad marketing.

lol!

flood950

I always get a chuckle out of those kinds of posts...some people just cannot accept that others disagree with their opinions on something.  I could very well end up playing this game again in the near future and if I decide that I really like it and post about it I am going to be accused of marketing for the game?  LOL, hows that tunnel vision treating you.

sepher

Originally posted by Nostaphos


Yup .. just like the title states . Lost it all in one big bang playing eve last week and decided to throw in the towell and re-try Vanguard. Talk about a great decision. A lot of what i read on these boards almost prevented me from  returning but im glad common sense prevailed and i decided to ignore what ive read and re-try it out for myself. Have a level 13 Orc Shaman on the team PvP server (yea i know, still a noob) but im having a ball on him .  The graphics were choppy at first but the game seams to cache itself as you play or something ,.. it runs smoother as you play/relog into the same areas. All in All the performance has improved greatly and i think im gonna stick it out for the long haul =D.
If your considering checking it out for the first time or even comming back for a second look I highly recommend you do so . Ignore all the "pissy hate folk" that are still beating on it. I think thier just toting about a grudge from that craptacular release that the game had. Felt so strongly about this that i opened an account here just to throw in my 2 bits. Peace =D

So you don't feel you're being a tad misleading in insinuating that all the "craptacular release" issues have been resolved? That everything the "pissy hate folk" have been complaining about no longer exists?



If you played at launch and something annoyed you, only to resubscribe and your issues were resolved, that's great. Still, you should be sensible enough to know very well that there's been no overarching fixes for every systemic performance issue with the game, and that old and new bugs don't still exist (i.e. economy crashing gold duping galore nowadays.)



It's ok to chime in your two cents, but you don't have to use hypocrisy in order to do so. It's wrong to impose one's own issues on another, and one's own likes on another; as if the other person HAS to share the perspective or they're stupid. Without imposing anything on anyone though, the fact of the matter is, most folks in the MMO market are NOT playing Vanguard for a reason, and only a smidgen of the market is. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the "pissy hate folk", who's complaining and rationale are going to guide Vanguard towards a better future moreso than those complacent with the sad state the premature released, pre-release of a soon to be re-launched game is in.

Aurelyn

If someone like Coldmeat wrote an essay on how awesome the game is.. I would probably try it.. and if they made a fresh new server for folks to play on, (might not be needed, economies might not have enough players for it to be ruined). One of the reasons I have played WOW for so long is the new servers, I get bored of raiding with a class.. wait till new server pops up, start it all again with a different class.



Battlegroups kinda of ruined it though, because I really did enjoy the fresh twink free bgs only a new server could bring.