I get a shiver down my spine every time I read something from Smedley. How in the world has this peson been allowed to garner so much control over the future of this genre?
I get a shiver down my spine every time I read something from Smedley. How in the world has this peson been allowed to garner so much control over the future of this genre?
What... as the head of the #5 MMO group in the country? He has little control. He's also very responsible for $OE going from first to 5th in the industry... all within 2 short years.
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I get a shiver down my spine every time I read something from Smedley. How in the world has this peson been allowed to garner so much control over the future of this genre?
What... as the head of the #5 MMO group in the country? He has little control. He's also very responsible for $OE going from first to 5th in the industry... all within 2 short years.
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Oh well ty so much educating me here Shayde, as I'm a complete idiot and had no clue about the top 5 production houses, it's a damn good thing you came around; less I live my life completely ignorant to your "facts".
ANYWAYS... moving on from the fact that I never said he was THE biggest producer and that I never said he was head of THE largest production house, moving from that (because I didn't say that, did I shayde?) the fact remains that has had and continues to have impact and control on this genre.
Can anyone doubt the impact that these alternate "sales" avenues will have on the industry, SOE Exchange anyone?
I get a shiver down my spine every time I read something from Smedley. How in the world has this peson been allowed to garner so much control over the future of this genre?
What... as the head of the #5 MMO group in the country? He has little control. He's also very responsible for $OE going from first to 5th in the industry... all within 2 short years.
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Can you link the source for this information.
If by, in the country, you mean the US, then I can't see NCsoft sitting ahead of SoE because of L2. Maybe L2, CoH, Auto Assault, and possibly Guild Wars if you consider it an MMO, wich I don't. L2 is a huge game, but not in this country.
Verant was not always part of Sony, I believe it was an independent company that
convinced Sony to "publish", ie bankroll, their game. But eventually some sort
of aquisition happened and Verant just became SOE. In 99 SOE didnt exist.
Also, Smedley strikes me as some manager type, it cracks me up how they get
some string of games to their credit when all they do is manage the people that
actually write code and design the game. Of course this is the same everywhere,
programmers do the real work and then stiffs in suits take credit
Sony irritates me, but I don't hate them... I save that for the oil companies that
are making me pay more for gas everyday, now THAT's something to get
angry at, that and the war they inflict on the world.
Who knows, maybe SOE will come up with something new and interesting...
we shall see.
What is Sonyeg Backwords?
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Can the op please provide a link to where he got this.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I think the bottom line is that SoE makes money from their titles. They must be profitable or I'm sure Smed's head would roll. I think the truth is they make pretty good money as company and most of their employees probably pull in whole lot more than us gamers do in a payday.. Yet we question their success. I imagine they do just fine.
I'm actually glad that SoE is possible taking the reigns of VG. It sounds like it at least. I'd rather the games be in the hands who have a pocket full of cash rather than a cashed out company that can't afford to make the game better.
I think the bottom line is that SoE makes money from their titles. They must be profitable or I'm sure Smed's head would roll. I think the truth is they make pretty good money as company and most of their employees probably pull in whole lot more than us gamers do in a payday.. Yet we question their success. I imagine they do just fine. I'm actually glad that SoE is possible taking the reigns of VG. It sounds like it at least. I'd rather the games be in the hands who have a pocket full of cash rather than a cashed out company that can't afford to make the game better.
Some people prefer games to be polished, innovative, and have devs with vision.... In short... Some of us are not happy with shitty, shitty , shitty and wont settle for stinky, farty, smelly...
Anyone else notice this guy never talks about what makes a game fun or seems to actually know what goes on in the game itself (instead he just uses the word "stuff" as if he has a clue or hide behind "we haven't announced that yet"). On the other hand he sure does talk about pricing models, future revenues and new ways to get people to spend money. He always talks about the money and never the game.
He is a big part of why Sony doesn't stand a chance to make quality games anymore. Instead he talks about past mistakes in marketing and flooding to many expansions and not about the missing fun factor in his titles.
It really sounds as if he is still trying to figure out why things worked in 1999 with EQ and don't work today.
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.
- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
Anyone else notice this guy never talks about what makes a game fun or seems to actually know what goes on in the game itself (instead he just uses the word "stuff" as if he has a clue or hide behind "we haven't announced that yet"). On the other hand he sure does talk about pricing models, future revenues and new ways to get people to spend money. He always talks about the money and never the game.
He is a big part of why Sony doesn't stand a chance to make quality games anymore. Instead he talks about past mistakes in marketing and flooding to many expansions and not about the missing fun factor in his titles.
It really sounds as if he is still trying to figure out why things worked in 1999 with EQ and don't work today.
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.
NCsoft has already done it. The company is based in Korea I believe.
MMO's in the US aren't anywere close to being mainstream at the moment. In places like Korea and China however, it's been one of the largest gaming models for some time now. There's some rediculous number of MMO's produces in Korea alone.
Ignoring the Asian market would be the DUMBEST thing Smedley could do.
We have a forum full of armchair CEO's in this forum. Not a one of us here would have the slightest idea, let alone ability, to do the job Smedley does, and anyone that thinks they can should have sent thier resume to SoE already.
Screw it.
Anyone here who thinks they can do a better job as a CEO of a company like SOE post those uber resumes here for all to see. If any of you were the golden boys of business you'd be cruising in your $100k car wheeling and dealing making your company a few more million, instead of posting here, pretending like you have a clue what it takes to run a multi-million dollar company.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
you know i think somehow we all get confused with the john smedlys and the brad mquaids of the world , cmon folks these folks are figure heads they dont have a farking clue as to what a good game is , brad mquaid does because he actually plays but there is his end , he dont do the coding the art or the other important parts he just stands out front holding the sign for folks to smash fruit at him .
imho they both did there jobs well they are more like marketing folks then anything , i think they arent in the directors chair whom ever that is should be drawn and quarterd because they are the ones who consistantly sell these games and ideas to smedly and brad mquaid then fail to implement .
in the real world there are owners of companys who have no clue yet are the president of corp, the ceo has no clue hell his secretary knows more his job then he does and everyone puts blinders on the rest to cover each others asses till something like vanguards release hits the streets then everyone quits and trys to find a new cash cow to ride for the next 5 yrears.
Imho if folks were held accountable for this pile of refuse they created or added onto then the world , (gaming worlds ) would be quite different.
as is there is nothing new to fantasy and there wont be because noone wants to take that leap , and absoulutly noone ever listens to there fan base i mean cmon we play the games we dont know jack about what we want.
perfect example is eq1 i wish for so long they would just scale it back to kunark and go a whole different direction with the game instead of the madness it is now but noone will ever do it because they would rather force feed us somone elses new pet project then to fix previous mistakes and make the games better. there lies the problem we all want a great game yet noone can see past the present buisness models for fantasy games. wow killed innovation as eq did before wow in the fantasy market.
Some lead and some follow I prefer to stand beside!
Anyone else notice this guy never talks about what makes a game fun or seems to actually know what goes on in the game itself (instead he just uses the word "stuff" as if he has a clue or hide behind "we haven't announced that yet"). On the other hand he sure does talk about pricing models, future revenues and new ways to get people to spend money. He always talks about the money and never the game.
He is a big part of why Sony doesn't stand a chance to make quality games anymore. Instead he talks about past mistakes in marketing and flooding to many expansions and not about the missing fun factor in his titles.
It really sounds as if he is still trying to figure out why things worked in 1999 with EQ and don't work today.
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.
NCsoft has already done it. The company is based in Korea I believe.
MMO's in the US aren't anywere close to being mainstream at the moment. In places like Korea and China however, it's been one of the largest gaming models for some time now. There's some rediculous number of MMO's produces in Korea alone.
Ignoring the Asian market would be the DUMBEST thing Smedley could do.
We have a forum full of armchair CEO's in this forum. Not a one of us here would have the slightest idea, let alone ability, to do the job Smedley does, and anyone that thinks they can should have sent thier resume to SoE already.
Screw it.
Anyone here who thinks they can do a better job as a CEO of a company like SOE post those uber resumes here for all to see. If any of you were the golden boys of business you'd be cruising in your $100k car wheeling and dealing making your company a few more million, instead of posting here, pretending like you have a clue what it takes to run a multi-million dollar company.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
Smed is a CEO?
See you in the dream.. The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Anyone else notice this guy never talks about what makes a game fun or seems to actually know what goes on in the game itself (instead he just uses the word "stuff" as if he has a clue or hide behind "we haven't announced that yet"). On the other hand he sure does talk about pricing models, future revenues and new ways to get people to spend money. He always talks about the money and never the game.
He is a big part of why Sony doesn't stand a chance to make quality games anymore. Instead he talks about past mistakes in marketing and flooding to many expansions and not about the missing fun factor in his titles.
It really sounds as if he is still trying to figure out why things worked in 1999 with EQ and don't work today.
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.
NCsoft has already done it. The company is based in Korea I believe.
MMO's in the US aren't anywere close to being mainstream at the moment. In places like Korea and China however, it's been one of the largest gaming models for some time now. There's some rediculous number of MMO's produces in Korea alone.
Ignoring the Asian market would be the DUMBEST thing Smedley could do.
We have a forum full of armchair CEO's in this forum. Not a one of us here would have the slightest idea, let alone ability, to do the job Smedley does, and anyone that thinks they can should have sent thier resume to SoE already.
Screw it.
Anyone here who thinks they can do a better job as a CEO of a company like SOE post those uber resumes here for all to see. If any of you were the golden boys of business you'd be cruising in your $100k car wheeling and dealing making your company a few more million, instead of posting here, pretending like you have a clue what it takes to run a multi-million dollar company.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
Smed is a CEO?
Hes the president of SoE. Easier to type CEO over and over then to keep typing president.
Is there a CEO and a president of a company? I know the guy at the top of the company I work for is the CEO as well as the owner.
you know i think somehow we all get confused with the john smedlys and the brad mquaids of the world , cmon folks these folks are figure heads they dont have a farking clue as to what a good game is , brad mquaid does because he actually plays but there is his end , he dont do the coding the art or the other important parts he just stands out front holding the sign for folks to smash fruit at him . imho they both did there jobs well they are more like marketing folks then anything , i think they arent in the directors chair whom ever that is should be drawn and quarterd because they are the ones who consistantly sell these games and ideas to smedly and brad mquaid then fail to implement . in the real world there are owners of companys who have no clue yet are the president of corp, the ceo has no clue hell his secretary knows more his job then he does and everyone puts blinders on the rest to cover each others asses till something like vanguards release hits the streets then everyone quits and trys to find a new cash cow to ride for the next 5 yrears. Imho if folks were held accountable for this pile of refuse they created or added onto then the world , (gaming worlds ) would be quite different. as is there is nothing new to fantasy and there wont be because noone wants to take that leap , and absoulutly noone ever listens to there fan base i mean cmon we play the games we dont know jack about what we want. perfect example is eq1 i wish for so long they would just scale it back to kunark and go a whole different direction with the game instead of the madness it is now but noone will ever do it because they would rather force feed us somone elses new pet project then to fix previous mistakes and make the games better. there lies the problem we all want a great game yet noone can see past the present buisness models for fantasy games. wow killed innovation as eq did before wow in the fantasy market.
Very well put.
Could you imagine being the guy that has to make a desicion based on what the customer wants. This group wants more xp, this group wants less xp, this group wants the same xp, and this group doesn't want xp in the game at all.
Me, at some point I think I'd end up writing a letter to the player base telling them in a thousand words to go F themselves.
I get a shiver down my spine every time I read something from Smedley. How in the world has this peson been allowed to garner so much control over the future of this genre?
What... as the head of the #5 MMO group in the country? He has little control. He's also very responsible for $OE going from first to 5th in the industry... all within 2 short years.
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Can you link the source for this information.
If by, in the country, you mean the US, then I can't see NCsoft sitting ahead of SoE because of L2. Maybe L2, CoH, Auto Assault, and possibly Guild Wars if you consider it an MMO, wich I don't. L2 is a huge game, but not in this country.
The combined US subscribers of CoX, Lineage 1&2, Autoassault and Guild Wars surpasses the numbers of all $OE games combined. If you don't consider Guild Wars an MMO, you have to remove all $OE titles except the EQ's, SWG and MxO. So splitting hairs aside, they have a combined subscriber base of around 1.5 million.
Now Second Life's numbers are argued back and fourth... but the latest numbers I read breaks it down like this.
Not a bad concurrent log in, so I place their numbers at the 1.7 million. I really should have placed them second, but I'm giving NC Soft a surge since the last two CoH patches improved subscribers.
The numbers come from various sources and press releases since nobody tracks it officially anymore. But in a release last year, Smed said $OE had half a million subscribers... total. He was actually bragging about it. That number isn't climbing.
Turbine passed $OE by launching LOTRO alone. They're the #1 selling PC game in the country, and they expect them to sell a million by June. Could go even further if the preorders pan out to be true.
So however you want to spin it, it is clear that $OE, and their idiot-boy at the helm have gone from #1 to #5 in two short years. They're no longer the innovators. They DO have power in the industry though... everyone looks at them for the example of what NOT to do.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I get a shiver down my spine every time I read something from Smedley. How in the world has this peson been allowed to garner so much control over the future of this genre?
What... as the head of the #5 MMO group in the country? He has little control. He's also very responsible for $OE going from first to 5th in the industry... all within 2 short years.
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Can you link the source for this information.
If by, in the country, you mean the US, then I can't see NCsoft sitting ahead of SoE because of L2. Maybe L2, CoH, Auto Assault, and possibly Guild Wars if you consider it an MMO, wich I don't. L2 is a huge game, but not in this country.
The combined US subscribers of CoX, Lineage 1&2, Autoassault and Guild Wars surpasses the numbers of all $OE games combined. If you don't consider Guild Wars an MMO, you have to remove all $OE titles except the EQ's, SWG and MxO. So splitting hairs aside, they have a combined subscriber base of around 1.5 million.
Now Second Life's numbers are argued back and fourth... but the latest numbers I read breaks it down like this.
Not a bad concurrent log in, so I place their numbers at the 1.7 million. I really should have placed them second, but I'm giving NC Soft a surge since the last two CoH patches improved subscribers.
The numbers come from various sources and press releases since nobody tracks it officially anymore. But in a release last year, Smed said $OE had half a million subscribers... total. He was actually bragging about it. That number isn't climbing.
Turbine passed $OE by launching LOTRO alone. They're the #1 selling PC game in the country, and they expect them to sell a million by June. Could go even further if the preorders pan out to be true.
So however you want to spin it, it is clear that $OE, and their idiot-boy at the helm have gone from #1 to #5 in two short years. They're no longer the innovators. They DO have power in the industry though... everyone looks at them for the example of what NOT to do.
I dunno man. CoH is doing well, but have they even reached the 500k mark in that game? I thought the subs were sitting around 250k. I don't think L2 has that many subs in the US, and I know Auto Assualt doesn't
World wide I believe that NCsoft is the leading MMO company. Not sure there is anyone that comes close to the numbers of gamers that L2 has spread out across all of thier MMO's. Personally I think they make some of the best MMO's on the market.
Honestly though, the only numbers I believe are the ones that come from the companies themselves, and even those I take with a grain of salt.
Second life really has that many people playing it? I thought that game was like a more advanced Sims online. The hell do I know.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the last person I would trust on a topic like this is a someone with a grudge against SoE; that's mostly speculating as far as nubers go.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
You obviously don’t have any real experience in Corporate Business. Resumes don’t mean anything. Losing money has no effect on employment. The corporate world is very political. More often than not, the CEO's are incompetent, and they lose money due to poor decisions. However, they are very good salesmen, and can always explain away the problems, and play up the positive side.
I recently interviewed for a company, and during my talks with their CEO, I pointed out a simple error that was costing them ~5% of their revenue. The solution was a 5 min fix. I didn’t get the position, but I checked back later to see if they had corrected the problem. They had not fixed it (and it was now ~13% of their revenue lost).
I can give dozens of examples of CEO’s making poor choices, that either result in a loss, or a large scale business failure. Those CEO’s still make millions for their misconduct, and are not concerned for their employment. That is just how it works when a business becomes more about the bureaucracy than about its products/services.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
You obviously don’t have any real experience in Corporate Business. Resumes don’t mean anything. Losing money has no effect on employment. The corporate world is very political. More often than not, the CEO's are incompetent, and they lose money due to poor decisions. However, they are very good salesmen, and can always explain away the problems, and play up the positive side.
I recently interviewed for a company, and during my talks with their CEO, I pointed out a simple error that was costing them ~5% of their revenue. The solution was a 5 min fix. I didn’t get the position, but I checked back later to see if they had corrected the problem. They had not fixed it (and it was now ~13% of their revenue lost).
I can give dozens of examples of CEO’s making poor choices, that either result in a loss, or a large scale business failure. Those CEO’s still make millions for their misconduct, and are not concerned for their employment. That is just how it works when a business becomes more about the bureaucracy than about its products/services.
Accually I do have some experience. And a resume from anyone of us tards on this site does mean something cause not one of us here is qualified to even do Smedleys job. Getting my point now?
The site you pulled your info from is wrong, not been updated for quite some time, and WRONG.
I've already stated that NCsoft was the WORLDS leading MMO producer. The comment I was originally getting at was the, in this country, line that someone, I believe shayde, made.
I'm not saying SoE is #1, but I also don't take numbers posted by anyone on this site as accurate. Especially when the people that are posting those numbers make it clear that they have a vendeta against SoE.
If you can link numbers given by the game companies themselves then you got something. You can't go by the site you listed, It's well known to be inacurate.
If you think Smedley has been losing Sony money for the past decade or so you're crazy.
You think you pay alot for fuel, over here in the UK it's basicaly £1 a litre for petrol. £1 is almost $2 so imagine having to fill your car on a regular basis with those prices.
Actually, we have been. Not to completely derail this thread, but gas prices in the States have been over $2 a gallon for a while now, and in some places even broke the $3 per gallon mark some time back. Prices have gone up and down lately, but I haven't seen anything under $2 in ages.
No where in the USA or Canada are we paying 'even close' to gas prices like they are in Europe...And yes, a gallon is much greater then 1 litre.....guess not too many people now the metric system compared to the imperial system....
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Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Don't you think with such a long line of games this joker has been involved with, he'd have a clue by now?
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Oh well ty so much educating me here Shayde, as I'm a complete idiot and had no clue about the top 5 production houses, it's a damn good thing you came around; less I live my life completely ignorant to your "facts".
ANYWAYS... moving on from the fact that I never said he was THE biggest producer and that I never said he was head of THE largest production house, moving from that (because I didn't say that, did I shayde?) the fact remains that has had and continues to have impact and control on this genre.
Can anyone doubt the impact that these alternate "sales" avenues will have on the industry, SOE Exchange anyone?
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Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Can you link the source for this information.
If by, in the country, you mean the US, then I can't see NCsoft sitting ahead of SoE because of L2. Maybe L2, CoH, Auto Assault, and possibly Guild Wars if you consider it an MMO, wich I don't. L2 is a huge game, but not in this country.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Heh. I always got a kick out of that.
Sony EQ = Qeynos
They all but admitted that EverQuest was Sony's game from the start, and not Verant's. Why else name one of the starting cities the way they did?
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How are you?" -Me
I think the bottom line is that SoE makes money from their titles. They must be profitable or I'm sure Smed's head would roll. I think the truth is they make pretty good money as company and most of their employees probably pull in whole lot more than us gamers do in a payday.. Yet we question their success. I imagine they do just fine.
I'm actually glad that SoE is possible taking the reigns of VG. It sounds like it at least. I'd rather the games be in the hands who have a pocket full of cash rather than a cashed out company that can't afford to make the game better.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=13876
Not the OP but there ya go.
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.- How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
- I don't know, but some people without brains do an awful lot of talking, don't they?
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.NCsoft has already done it. The company is based in Korea I believe.
MMO's in the US aren't anywere close to being mainstream at the moment. In places like Korea and China however, it's been one of the largest gaming models for some time now. There's some rediculous number of MMO's produces in Korea alone.
Ignoring the Asian market would be the DUMBEST thing Smedley could do.
We have a forum full of armchair CEO's in this forum. Not a one of us here would have the slightest idea, let alone ability, to do the job Smedley does, and anyone that thinks they can should have sent thier resume to SoE already.
Screw it.
Anyone here who thinks they can do a better job as a CEO of a company like SOE post those uber resumes here for all to see. If any of you were the golden boys of business you'd be cruising in your $100k car wheeling and dealing making your company a few more million, instead of posting here, pretending like you have a clue what it takes to run a multi-million dollar company.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
you know i think somehow we all get confused with the john smedlys and the brad mquaids of the world , cmon folks these folks are figure heads they dont have a farking clue as to what a good game is , brad mquaid does because he actually plays but there is his end , he dont do the coding the art or the other important parts he just stands out front holding the sign for folks to smash fruit at him .
imho they both did there jobs well they are more like marketing folks then anything , i think they arent in the directors chair whom ever that is should be drawn and quarterd because they are the ones who consistantly sell these games and ideas to smedly and brad mquaid then fail to implement .
in the real world there are owners of companys who have no clue yet are the president of corp, the ceo has no clue hell his secretary knows more his job then he does and everyone puts blinders on the rest to cover each others asses till something like vanguards release hits the streets then everyone quits and trys to find a new cash cow to ride for the next 5 yrears.
Imho if folks were held accountable for this pile of refuse they created or added onto then the world , (gaming worlds ) would be quite different.
as is there is nothing new to fantasy and there wont be because noone wants to take that leap , and absoulutly noone ever listens to there fan base i mean cmon we play the games we dont know jack about what we want.
perfect example is eq1 i wish for so long they would just scale it back to kunark and go a whole different direction with the game instead of the madness it is now but noone will ever do it because they would rather force feed us somone elses new pet project then to fix previous mistakes and make the games better. there lies the problem we all want a great game yet noone can see past the present buisness models for fantasy games. wow killed innovation as eq did before wow in the fantasy market.
Some lead and some follow I prefer to stand beside!
I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.NCsoft has already done it. The company is based in Korea I believe.
MMO's in the US aren't anywere close to being mainstream at the moment. In places like Korea and China however, it's been one of the largest gaming models for some time now. There's some rediculous number of MMO's produces in Korea alone.
Ignoring the Asian market would be the DUMBEST thing Smedley could do.
We have a forum full of armchair CEO's in this forum. Not a one of us here would have the slightest idea, let alone ability, to do the job Smedley does, and anyone that thinks they can should have sent thier resume to SoE already.
Screw it.
Anyone here who thinks they can do a better job as a CEO of a company like SOE post those uber resumes here for all to see. If any of you were the golden boys of business you'd be cruising in your $100k car wheeling and dealing making your company a few more million, instead of posting here, pretending like you have a clue what it takes to run a multi-million dollar company.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
Smed is a CEO?See you in the dream..
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I find it funny that in every Smed post of late, he keeps talking about going for the Asian market with SOE. Eight years later he doesn't quite get American gamers and now he is going to breeze overseas, figure out their gaming approach and pull another miracle out of his pocket.
It's not like when American rockstars get old but can still go overseas and sell out concerts, Smed.
Lol, so true, hehe.
Don't fool yourselves. EVERY major gaming company out there is trying to figure out the Asian gaming market and how to tap into it. Blizzard does it, NCSoft does it, Mythic (EA as of today) does it. That's where the big revenues are.NCsoft has already done it. The company is based in Korea I believe.
MMO's in the US aren't anywere close to being mainstream at the moment. In places like Korea and China however, it's been one of the largest gaming models for some time now. There's some rediculous number of MMO's produces in Korea alone.
Ignoring the Asian market would be the DUMBEST thing Smedley could do.
We have a forum full of armchair CEO's in this forum. Not a one of us here would have the slightest idea, let alone ability, to do the job Smedley does, and anyone that thinks they can should have sent thier resume to SoE already.
Screw it.
Anyone here who thinks they can do a better job as a CEO of a company like SOE post those uber resumes here for all to see. If any of you were the golden boys of business you'd be cruising in your $100k car wheeling and dealing making your company a few more million, instead of posting here, pretending like you have a clue what it takes to run a multi-million dollar company.
The easiest way to judge if a CEO is getting the job done? He has a job! CEO's that lose money don't work. It's very simple.
Smed is a CEO?Hes the president of SoE. Easier to type CEO over and over then to keep typing president.
Is there a CEO and a president of a company? I know the guy at the top of the company I work for is the CEO as well as the owner.
Very well put.
Could you imagine being the guy that has to make a desicion based on what the customer wants. This group wants more xp, this group wants less xp, this group wants the same xp, and this group doesn't want xp in the game at all.
Me, at some point I think I'd end up writing a letter to the player base telling them in a thousand words to go F themselves.
Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Can you link the source for this information.
If by, in the country, you mean the US, then I can't see NCsoft sitting ahead of SoE because of L2. Maybe L2, CoH, Auto Assault, and possibly Guild Wars if you consider it an MMO, wich I don't. L2 is a huge game, but not in this country.
The combined US subscribers of CoX, Lineage 1&2, Autoassault and Guild Wars surpasses the numbers of all $OE games combined. If you don't consider Guild Wars an MMO, you have to remove all $OE titles except the EQ's, SWG and MxO. So splitting hairs aside, they have a combined subscriber base of around 1.5 million.
Now Second Life's numbers are argued back and fourth... but the latest numbers I read breaks it down like this.
Not a bad concurrent log in, so I place their numbers at the 1.7 million. I really should have placed them second, but I'm giving NC Soft a surge since the last two CoH patches improved subscribers.
The numbers come from various sources and press releases since nobody tracks it officially anymore. But in a release last year, Smed said $OE had half a million subscribers... total. He was actually bragging about it. That number isn't climbing.
Turbine passed $OE by launching LOTRO alone. They're the #1 selling PC game in the country, and they expect them to sell a million by June. Could go even further if the preorders pan out to be true.
So however you want to spin it, it is clear that $OE, and their idiot-boy at the helm have gone from #1 to #5 in two short years. They're no longer the innovators. They DO have power in the industry though... everyone looks at them for the example of what NOT to do.
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Just in case you weren't sure of the revised top 5...
1. Blizzard - Duh
2. NC Soft - Lineages are huge... plus CoH
3. Second Life - Their subscribers passed $OE's combined base 6 months ago.
4. Turbine - LOTRO pushed them over the top.
5. $OE.
To top that with the fact Smed is in charge of the online part of the abject failure that is the PS3... it's a miracle he is still employed, especially diring the big Sony shakeup.
Can you link the source for this information.
If by, in the country, you mean the US, then I can't see NCsoft sitting ahead of SoE because of L2. Maybe L2, CoH, Auto Assault, and possibly Guild Wars if you consider it an MMO, wich I don't. L2 is a huge game, but not in this country.
The combined US subscribers of CoX, Lineage 1&2, Autoassault and Guild Wars surpasses the numbers of all $OE games combined. If you don't consider Guild Wars an MMO, you have to remove all $OE titles except the EQ's, SWG and MxO. So splitting hairs aside, they have a combined subscriber base of around 1.5 million.
Now Second Life's numbers are argued back and fourth... but the latest numbers I read breaks it down like this.
Not a bad concurrent log in, so I place their numbers at the 1.7 million. I really should have placed them second, but I'm giving NC Soft a surge since the last two CoH patches improved subscribers.
The numbers come from various sources and press releases since nobody tracks it officially anymore. But in a release last year, Smed said $OE had half a million subscribers... total. He was actually bragging about it. That number isn't climbing.
Turbine passed $OE by launching LOTRO alone. They're the #1 selling PC game in the country, and they expect them to sell a million by June. Could go even further if the preorders pan out to be true.
So however you want to spin it, it is clear that $OE, and their idiot-boy at the helm have gone from #1 to #5 in two short years. They're no longer the innovators. They DO have power in the industry though... everyone looks at them for the example of what NOT to do.
I dunno man. CoH is doing well, but have they even reached the 500k mark in that game? I thought the subs were sitting around 250k. I don't think L2 has that many subs in the US, and I know Auto Assualt doesn't
World wide I believe that NCsoft is the leading MMO company. Not sure there is anyone that comes close to the numbers of gamers that L2 has spread out across all of thier MMO's. Personally I think they make some of the best MMO's on the market.
Honestly though, the only numbers I believe are the ones that come from the companies themselves, and even those I take with a grain of salt.
Second life really has that many people playing it? I thought that game was like a more advanced Sims online. The hell do I know.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the last person I would trust on a topic like this is a someone with a grudge against SoE; that's mostly speculating as far as nubers go.
You obviously don’t have any real experience in Corporate Business. Resumes don’t mean anything. Losing money has no effect on employment. The corporate world is very political. More often than not, the CEO's are incompetent, and they lose money due to poor decisions. However, they are very good salesmen, and can always explain away the problems, and play up the positive side.
I recently interviewed for a company, and during my talks with their CEO, I pointed out a simple error that was costing them ~5% of their revenue. The solution was a 5 min fix. I didn’t get the position, but I checked back later to see if they had corrected the problem. They had not fixed it (and it was now ~13% of their revenue lost).
I can give dozens of examples of CEO’s making poor choices, that either result in a loss, or a large scale business failure. Those CEO’s still make millions for their misconduct, and are not concerned for their employment. That is just how it works when a business becomes more about the bureaucracy than about its products/services.
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Here is some statistical data from http://www.mmogchart.com/
Game
Current Active Subscriptions
World of Warcraft
6600000
Lineage
1497287
Lineage II
1302340
RuneScape
781776
Final Fantasy XI
500000
EverQuest
200000
EverQuest II
175000
Star Wars Galaxies
170000
City of Heroes / Villains
160000
Ultima Online
135000
Eve Online
125625
Dark Age of Camelot
125000
Toontown Online
110000
Dungeons & Dragons Online
90000
Dofus
80000
Tibia
67397
Second Life
65000
The Sims Online
35500
Puzzle Pirates
34000
EverQuest Online Adventures
30000
The Matrix Online
30000
Era of Eidolon
27000
PlanetSide
20000
There
17000
Sphere
15000
Anarchy Online
12000
World War II Online
12000
The Realm Online
12000
Auto Assault
11000
Horizons
10000
Asheron's Call
10000
Mankind
5000
A Tale in the Desert
1815
Shadowbane
0
Asheron's Call 2
0
Earth & Beyond
0
Majestic
0
Motor City Online
0
SOE has ~595K subscribers based on these numbers.
You obviously don’t have any real experience in Corporate Business. Resumes don’t mean anything. Losing money has no effect on employment. The corporate world is very political. More often than not, the CEO's are incompetent, and they lose money due to poor decisions. However, they are very good salesmen, and can always explain away the problems, and play up the positive side.
I recently interviewed for a company, and during my talks with their CEO, I pointed out a simple error that was costing them ~5% of their revenue. The solution was a 5 min fix. I didn’t get the position, but I checked back later to see if they had corrected the problem. They had not fixed it (and it was now ~13% of their revenue lost).
I can give dozens of examples of CEO’s making poor choices, that either result in a loss, or a large scale business failure. Those CEO’s still make millions for their misconduct, and are not concerned for their employment. That is just how it works when a business becomes more about the bureaucracy than about its products/services.
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Here is some statistical data from http://www.mmogchart.com/
Game
Current Active Subscriptions
World of Warcraft
6600000
Lineage
1497287
Lineage II
1302340
RuneScape
781776
Final Fantasy XI
500000
EverQuest
200000
EverQuest II
175000
Star Wars Galaxies
170000
City of Heroes / Villains
160000
Ultima Online
135000
Eve Online
125625
Dark Age of Camelot
125000
Toontown Online
110000
Dungeons & Dragons Online
90000
Dofus
80000
Tibia
67397
Second Life
65000
The Sims Online
35500
Puzzle Pirates
34000
EverQuest Online Adventures
30000
The Matrix Online
30000
Era of Eidolon
27000
PlanetSide
20000
There
17000
Sphere
15000
Anarchy Online
12000
World War II Online
12000
The Realm Online
12000
Auto Assault
11000
Horizons
10000
Asheron's Call
10000
Mankind
5000
A Tale in the Desert
1815
Shadowbane
0
Asheron's Call 2
0
Earth & Beyond
0
Majestic
0
Motor City Online
0
SOE has ~595K subscribers based on these numbers.
Accually I do have some experience. And a resume from anyone of us tards on this site does mean something cause not one of us here is qualified to even do Smedleys job. Getting my point now?
The site you pulled your info from is wrong, not been updated for quite some time, and WRONG.
I've already stated that NCsoft was the WORLDS leading MMO producer. The comment I was originally getting at was the, in this country, line that someone, I believe shayde, made.
I'm not saying SoE is #1, but I also don't take numbers posted by anyone on this site as accurate. Especially when the people that are posting those numbers make it clear that they have a vendeta against SoE.
If you can link numbers given by the game companies themselves then you got something. You can't go by the site you listed, It's well known to be inacurate.
If you think Smedley has been losing Sony money for the past decade or so you're crazy.
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