I don't recall anything about Siege Equipment, Hero Classes or Player housing? Can you find a link somewhere showing where they promised it? (Seriously, I don't ever recall them saying it and would be curious to see it).
Well I read it myself on the official Site what...3 years ago or somesuch? ^_^
And no, I won't bother searching for it, got better things to do than search for WoW info nowadays...like, sleeping, or being bored
So what you're saying is, you're basing that on "Pre-Release" information that is considered subject to change. Every other MMO in the world does the same thing, they list things they are going to put in and then just before release they shorten the list LOL. EQ II was horrible for doing this, they even made movies of some sweet looking armors and stuff, released em to the public and suddenly, just before the game came out, they went away, just like all the pictures of stuff they weren't putting into that game. Its the nature of the business I guess. Doesn't make it right, but it happens to all of them.
I don't recall anything about Siege Equipment, Hero Classes or Player housing? Can you find a link somewhere showing where they promised it? (Seriously, I don't ever recall them saying it and would be curious to see it).
Well I read it myself on the official Site what...3 years ago or somesuch? ^_^
And no, I won't bother searching for it, got better things to do than search for WoW info nowadays...like, sleeping, or being bored see the problem of being bored weither or not you play the game is not the games fault. That is actually a symptom of depression.
Anyway...
The Expansion did what it said it would... it expanded the exsiting game, made is more then what it was. It was a Exapansion Pack, and think people are confusing that with a Game revamp.
You seriosuly Cant BS most of us. I personally was playing SWG when WoW went Live, and if they had implied player hosing, siege gear and all that other stuff Id have tried it back then. No WoW is exactly what they say it is.
Its a MMORPG game, Quests, kill monsters that NPC pay you to kill. and some PVP here and there.
Im sorry that maybe you dont realize that THAT is what RPG are..all the way back into teh 1970's first version of Dungeons & dragons Dice & paper game... that was the godfather of RPG and guess what you did there...
Talk to NPC, do the quests for reward ussually loot that is weapon/armor and currancy.
ANYONE that expects more , is expecting something "new" you have lost sight of what genre your playing. And you expect WoW to be the best.. well in its field its the least buggy, best customer support, best seemless non loading screen transition you can get for 15$ /mo
I meen.. seriously .. anyone can buy a pinto and go.. I think Ill upgrade the motor to a mustang engine, add racing tires and roll cage.
In the end..no matter how many things you add or change... ITS STILL A PINTO. Plenty of us love the TBC and the game. and are having fun everyday.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
I agree even I must feel some pity for WoW, even though I never have or will constantly play it.
I mean you've gotta feel a little bad having to see shevles full of untaken BC boxes
Guess you haven't read the sales charts lately=) 3.5 Mil copies. Thats more copies than most MMORPGs & their expansions combined! I feel very bad for Blizzard, hehe.
You might've noticed that we only said "It died for me, when...".
Sure, WoW is still one of the most populated Games ever, but many of us former WoW Players find that WoW could be much much better by now than it actually is, because it added basically no new Gameplay Features at all, maybe apart from Arena Battles.
Siege Equipment, Hero Classes, Player Housing, all of those things were promised for release, then promised for one of the first Patches, then promised for the next big content patch, then promised for the AddOn, and then somewhere Blizzard seemed to forget completely about it...Instead what did they add? 1 already existing class for the other side, 1 race per side, with Blood Elves clearly being "Hm, Alliance is too popular, that's unbalanced, we need some Beatiful, classy new Race for the Horde so more people join it", more Dungeons, more monsters, one hell of more Reputation-Farming. Then the new Dungeons all over again with Heroic Dungeons...
You could've left WoW after 2 months, if you'd come back now, there is nothing that would make you say: "Wow, that's so cool", it's basically still all the same, only more.
I think many of us expected more from "The Blizzard MMO", at least I did.
I don't recall anything about Siege Equipment, Hero Classes or Player housing? Can you find a link somewhere showing where they promised it? (Seriously, I don't ever recall them saying it and would be curious to see it).
ANYONE that expects more , is expecting something "new" you have lost sight of what genre your playing. And you expect WoW to be the best.. well in its field its the least buggy, best customer support, best seemless non loading screen transition you can get for 15$ /mo
I meen.. seriously .. anyone can buy a pinto and go.. I think Ill upgrade the motor to a mustang engine, add racing tires and roll cage.
In the end..no matter how many things you add or change... ITS STILL A PINTO. Plenty of us love the TBC and the game. and are having fun everyday.
Haha so funny how people say the game is dying when it is so untrue. Even when players leave there is more people joining so it doesn't have a large effect. Eventually if people persist in saying its dying it will happen.....Hmm but what year? well probably until Blizzard releases it's next mmorpg if not longer . WOW has undeniably been one of the most successful mmorpg's ever released in popularity and financial returns . It has been the most successful one so far this year and i wouldn't want to put money on it not being even next year. It's not coincidence it isn't even rated as one of the top games on this site. That has more to do with WOW players actually enjoying the game and not looking in forums. (I am only browsing here now while patch is being implemented.)
One thing i hated about WoW was the patches every week that never seemed to fix anything. Nothing like getting home from school ready to game then being let down because the 2 hour patch is a "little" over into its 7th hour.
And, dont qoute me here, but i think WoW is also the MMO which has had the most amount of people leave.
I don't recall anything about Siege Equipment, Hero Classes or Player housing? Can you find a link somewhere showing where they promised it? (Seriously, I don't ever recall them saying it and would be curious to see it).
What should players expect in the World of Warcraft end-game? That is, is there an end-game for casual gamers as well as power gamers, small guilds, groups of friends, large guilds, etc.?
New content will be continuously added into the game and players can always expect to see new events and things for them to do and achieve in the game. Players that do eventually hit the level cap will have the option to participate in a variety of end-game content, such as:
* Individual players can work toward a hero class. * The PvP System will be more advanced than it is today -- including the addition of rewards. * Guilds will have an extensive amount of raid content available to them with many zones and "uber" bosses to defeat.
I remember reading about siege equipment, but player housing was never decided on. There was even a section in the FAQ saying something about not knowing if they were going to do player housing, but it was talked about a lot on the battlenet forums.
I agree even I must feel some pity for WoW, even though I never have or will constantly play it.
I mean you've gotta feel a little bad having to see shevles full of untaken BC boxes
Guess you haven't read the sales charts lately=) 3.5 Mil copies. Thats more copies than most MMORPGs & their expansions combined! I feel very bad for Blizzard, hehe.
hehe i just got told
NooooNo I know Burning Crusade was a huge success why else would folks be spamming a SWG vent saying
"OMG COMEZZZ OUT IN 2 HRS!!111111"
"UNFAIR (this guy) GOT IT BCUZ HE LIVES IN A DIFF TIM3ZONE!!1"
As an EverQuest veteran and EvE player though you must admit that compared to those two games WoW is extremely shallow.
As a Everquest veteran I agree, with one small part, to compare that festering feces covered game Evercrap to WoW is extremely shallow. Evercrap has broken classes, worthless quests (you don't get gear worth having at the level you can do the quest), and is pro-raider only. I despise the raiders, so let them rot in Evercrap.
Actually, I feel that WoW is the closest experience to old-school EQ that you can get right now. I'm sure some EQ vets are like "WTF?" at that, but it's true. Lament all you want about death penalties and other, meaningless crap, stuff that Brad McQuaid told you made EQ fun, but didn't. Having fun in Vanguard are we?
A low blow, I apologise.
I used to spend my newbie days in EQ, moping around, exploring, doing what I wanted to do, not what the raid leader told me to do. I'd hunt in places that were interesting, not where the most efficient xp was to be found, or had semi-rare named mobs on a ph rotation. No, thanks, it was good fun whie it lasted, but WoW is where it's at. Why else did so many of my guild-mates, after being addicted to EQ for so long, after ignoring competition from games like DAoC, immediately jump ship when WoW came out?
Simply, because it's better.
Yeah, I'm still listening to the raid leader, and I'm still doing repetitive dungeon crap, but I've got more choices, there is more gameplay here in Azeroth. There was a time when even myself adopted the hardcore EQ mentality, with false perceptions of challenge and meaning, but I grew older and wiser.
As far as MMOs go, WoW is the least decomposed of a pile of rotting MMO carcasses. It would be nice if more recent MMOs didn't immediately jump on the pile because they thought that "stagnation is the new evolution". I'm dissapointed to find myself sharing the tedious, cynical sentiment of these forums. Oh well.
*Does Tina Tuner Impression, throws one hand skyward and head back*
WoW's simply the best... dun... dun... dun... dun... better than all the rest.
You knows it, I knows it, it's why you're here on the World of Warcraft forums. Give in to your feelings.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
And, dont qoute me here, but i think WoW is also the MMO which has had the most amount of people leave.
Considering it's played by far more people than almost any other MMO, that's probably true but it means nothing in the scheme of things. When over 8 million people are playing a game, if half of them left it would still be far more successful than any other MMO you care to mention.
EQ and WoW are basically two different mmorpgs. The same way EQ2 and WoW are completely different. When it is inferred better then okay it is true WoW is a lot better quality as a game, but for me they held two different and distinct appeals.
ANYONE that expects more , is expecting something "new" you have lost sight of what genre your playing. And you expect WoW to be the best.. well in its field its the least buggy, best customer support, best seemless non loading screen transition you can get for 15$ /mo
I meen.. seriously .. anyone can buy a pinto and go.. I think Ill upgrade the motor to a mustang engine, add racing tires and roll cage.
In the end..no matter how many things you add or change... ITS STILL A PINTO. Plenty of us love the TBC and the game. and are having fun everyday.
An expansion pack is an addition to an existing pen-and-paper RPG, game or video game. These add-ons usually add new game areas, weapons, objects, and/or an extended storyline to a complete and already released game. While board game expansions are typically designed by the original creator, video game developers sometimes contract out development of the expansion pack to third-party company, or it may choose to develop the expansion itself (see Hellfire for Diablo). Board games and RPGs have been marketing expansions since at least the early 1970s.
So lets measure TBC Vs. the exact defination
*added new area yup Outlands
*added new weapons yup tons and tons
*added new objects yup tons of trinkets
*added or extended the storyline yup advanced the story of the demon attack on azeroth
lets go a even more then what the defination calls for and mention ON TOP OF THAT
*added a new crafting profession
*added 2 new playable races with there own unique starting areas and storylines
*added classes that were previously faction specific on boths sides now
*added NEW RAID dungeons (black temple)
*added new story arc with Illidan who is a villian form the old days!!!
*added New flying mounts
*added players able to advance to level 70
Id have to say TBC meets and then vastly exceeds the defination of a expansion.
The real issue here is...
1) People had in there mind specific wants and didnt get it.... right, sorry Blizzard cant add every persons Idea in 1 expansion.
2) Some people were "elite" in a class all there own and had no real common compatition. and now any one can have as good of gear and leveled the playingfield so no more elite "im in a raid guild and have raid gear" people.
3) Some people are just ready for a new game and mistakenly thought that what a expansion was.
4) No MATTER how good you make something, Some person will always find a way to complain.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
The Expansion did what it said it would... it expanded the exsiting game, made is more then what it was. It was a Exapansion Pack, and think people are confusing that with a Game revamp.
No an expansion builds on existing product. TBC did not do that. It was meant as a replacement for WOW classic. I have NEVER played an MMO exp that did what it did to classic WOW. 5 5 man dungeons made completely useless, tell me how a new player will EVER finish their quests in Strats, Scholo, UBRS or Dire Maul. Who will EVER visit ZG (imo the best instance they EVER made), RAQ, MC, BWL, TAQ or Naxx, no one will theres no incentive whatsoever at all. Thats 12 instances completely wiped off the map (they might as well have). TBC replaced post 57 gameplay entirely, these previous dungeons arent even an alternative anymore.
The Expansion did what it said it would... it expanded the exsiting game, made is more then what it was. It was a Exapansion Pack, and think people are confusing that with a Game revamp.
No an expansion builds on existing product. TBC did not do that. It was meant as a replacement for WOW classic. I have NEVER played an MMO exp that did what it did to classic WOW. 5 5 man dungeons made completely useless, tell me how a new player will EVER finish their quests in Strats, Scholo, UBRS or Dire Maul. Who will EVER visit ZG (imo the best instance they EVER made), RAQ, MC, BWL, TAQ or Naxx, no one will theres no incentive whatsoever at all. Thats 12 instances completely wiped off the map (they might as well have). TBC replaced post 57 gameplay entirely, these previous dungeons arent even an alternative anymore.
Lemme see...
In the last fortnight, I've done runs through Strathhome and Scholomance (not finished them yet but getting pretty close), Lower Blackrock Spire (to get the seal I need to get me into the upper reaches) and I'll be doing Dire Maul sometime over the next week. The raids I haven't been to yet but then I don't really care for raids so I'm not too fussed.
As for there being no incentive to do these old instances and raids - have you ever heard of doing them just because you want to? Take away all the other stuff and ask yourself why you play the game in the first way.
The Expansion did what it said it would... it expanded the exsiting game, made is more then what it was. It was a Exapansion Pack, and think people are confusing that with a Game revamp.
No an expansion builds on existing product. TBC did not do that. It was meant as a replacement for WOW classic. I have NEVER played an MMO exp that did what it did to classic WOW. 5 5 man dungeons made completely useless, tell me how a new player will EVER finish their quests in Strats, Scholo, UBRS or Dire Maul. Who will EVER visit ZG (imo the best instance they EVER made), RAQ, MC, BWL, TAQ or Naxx, no one will theres no incentive whatsoever at all. Thats 12 instances completely wiped off the map (they might as well have). TBC replaced post 57 gameplay entirely, these previous dungeons arent even an alternative anymore.
actually almost every thing you mention our guild does often.
Look.. a few ppl left ...tons of new ones are here.. Maybe your server sucks... or your guild. But thats not Blizzards fault.
They make a game... its up to the player to PLAY it.
I think our whole server is pretty fun and battlegroup for that matter.
RAMPAGE BG teams !!!!
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
ADDED MORE BORING GRIND. ADDED MORE DULL CARTOONY GRAPHICS ADDED MORE MISSIONS THAT DON'T PAY ANYTHING ADDED MORE LAME GAMING Yes, we know what it added but WoW being the game it is this isn't anything new. Just another added boring chapter to an already boring game. 'nuff said.
And yet despite your dislike of the game, here you are posting in a forum about it.
I disagree. Blizzard made a superb game when they created WoW. The game is overall better than any other on the market for many reasons. TBC made the game more playable by the majority of subscribers out there. The majority isn't the raiders, they are the casual players that like to quest, hang out, and at most PvP and do instances.
I do agree that Blizzard screwed the Raiders over when they came out with TBC, due to the higher level gear that beats out the lower teirs of raiding gear, but those who actually enjoy raiding shouldn't be bothered by it, because you were doing something you enjoy. If you only raided for gear, then you shouldn't be so upset that you no don't have to raid all the time to get the best gear in the game. Now you have the option of creating your EPic set (I believe), gaining honor at your own pace for PvP gear, Arena gear, and Raid gear by doing smaller raids.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
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And no, I won't bother searching for it, got better things to do than search for WoW info nowadays...like, sleeping, or being bored
So what you're saying is, you're basing that on "Pre-Release" information that is considered subject to change. Every other MMO in the world does the same thing, they list things they are going to put in and then just before release they shorten the list LOL. EQ II was horrible for doing this, they even made movies of some sweet looking armors and stuff, released em to the public and suddenly, just before the game came out, they went away, just like all the pictures of stuff they weren't putting into that game. Its the nature of the business I guess. Doesn't make it right, but it happens to all of them.
I mean you've gotta feel a little bad having to see shevles full of untaken BC boxes
And no, I won't bother searching for it, got better things to do than search for WoW info nowadays...like, sleeping, or being bored
Anyway...
The Expansion did what it said it would... it expanded the exsiting game, made is more then what it was. It was a Exapansion Pack, and think people are confusing that with a Game revamp.
You seriosuly Cant BS most of us. I personally was playing SWG when WoW went Live, and if they had implied player hosing, siege gear and all that other stuff Id have tried it back then. No WoW is exactly what they say it is.
Its a MMORPG game, Quests, kill monsters that NPC pay you to kill. and some PVP here and there.
Im sorry that maybe you dont realize that THAT is what RPG are..all the way back into teh 1970's first version of Dungeons & dragons Dice & paper game... that was the godfather of RPG and guess what you did there...
Talk to NPC, do the quests for reward ussually loot that is weapon/armor and currancy.
ANYONE that expects more , is expecting something "new" you have lost sight of what genre your playing. And you expect WoW to be the best.. well in its field its the least buggy, best customer support, best seemless non loading screen transition you can get for 15$ /mo
I meen.. seriously .. anyone can buy a pinto and go.. I think Ill upgrade the motor to a mustang engine, add racing tires and roll cage.
In the end..no matter how many things you add or change... ITS STILL A PINTO. Plenty of us love the TBC and the game. and are having fun everyday.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
Guess you haven't read the sales charts lately=) 3.5 Mil copies. Thats more copies than most MMORPGs & their expansions combined! I feel very bad for Blizzard, hehe.
Sure, WoW is still one of the most populated Games ever, but many of us former WoW Players find that WoW could be much much better by now than it actually is, because it added basically no new Gameplay Features at all, maybe apart from Arena Battles.
Siege Equipment, Hero Classes, Player Housing, all of those things were promised for release, then promised for one of the first Patches, then promised for the next big content patch, then promised for the AddOn, and then somewhere Blizzard seemed to forget completely about it...Instead what did they add? 1 already existing class for the other side, 1 race per side, with Blood Elves clearly being "Hm, Alliance is too popular, that's unbalanced, we need some Beatiful, classy new Race for the Horde so more people join it", more Dungeons, more monsters, one hell of more Reputation-Farming. Then the new Dungeons all over again with Heroic Dungeons...
You could've left WoW after 2 months, if you'd come back now, there is nothing that would make you say: "Wow, that's so cool", it's basically still all the same, only more.
I think many of us expected more from "The Blizzard MMO", at least I did.
I don't recall anything about Siege Equipment, Hero Classes or Player housing? Can you find a link somewhere showing where they promised it? (Seriously, I don't ever recall them saying it and would be curious to see it).
www.wowwiki.com/Hero_Classes
UO-EQ1-SWG-DAOC-WOW-EQ2-WAR-GW2-RIFT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
UO-EQ1-SWG-DAOC-WOW-EQ2-WAR-GW2-RIFT
And, dont qoute me here, but i think WoW is also the MMO which has had the most amount of people leave.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040815103518/www.worldofwarcraft.com/thread-search.aspx?searchtype=3&fn=wow-general
If that doesn't come up, then here is the fucus of that page:
I remember reading about siege equipment, but player housing was never decided on. There was even a section in the FAQ saying something about not knowing if they were going to do player housing, but it was talked about a lot on the battlenet forums.
Guess you haven't read the sales charts lately=) 3.5 Mil copies. Thats more copies than most MMORPGs & their expansions combined! I feel very bad for Blizzard, hehe.
hehe i just got told
NooooNo I know Burning Crusade was a huge success why else would folks be spamming a SWG vent saying
"OMG COMEZZZ OUT IN 2 HRS!!111111"
"UNFAIR (this guy) GOT IT BCUZ HE LIVES IN A DIFF TIM3ZONE!!1"
"MAN THIS PWNZ!"
As a Everquest veteran I agree, with one small part, to compare that festering feces covered game Evercrap to WoW is extremely shallow. Evercrap has broken classes, worthless quests (you don't get gear worth having at the level you can do the quest), and is pro-raider only. I despise the raiders, so let them rot in Evercrap.
Actually, I feel that WoW is the closest experience to old-school EQ that you can get right now. I'm sure some EQ vets are like "WTF?" at that, but it's true. Lament all you want about death penalties and other, meaningless crap, stuff that Brad McQuaid told you made EQ fun, but didn't. Having fun in Vanguard are we?
A low blow, I apologise.
I used to spend my newbie days in EQ, moping around, exploring, doing what I wanted to do, not what the raid leader told me to do. I'd hunt in places that were interesting, not where the most efficient xp was to be found, or had semi-rare named mobs on a ph rotation. No, thanks, it was good fun whie it lasted, but WoW is where it's at. Why else did so many of my guild-mates, after being addicted to EQ for so long, after ignoring competition from games like DAoC, immediately jump ship when WoW came out?
Simply, because it's better.
Yeah, I'm still listening to the raid leader, and I'm still doing repetitive dungeon crap, but I've got more choices, there is more gameplay here in Azeroth. There was a time when even myself adopted the hardcore EQ mentality, with false perceptions of challenge and meaning, but I grew older and wiser.
As far as MMOs go, WoW is the least decomposed of a pile of rotting MMO carcasses. It would be nice if more recent MMOs didn't immediately jump on the pile because they thought that "stagnation is the new evolution". I'm dissapointed to find myself sharing the tedious, cynical sentiment of these forums. Oh well.
*Does Tina Tuner Impression, throws one hand skyward and head back*
WoW's simply the best... dun... dun... dun... dun... better than all the rest.
You knows it, I knows it, it's why you're here on the World of Warcraft forums. Give in to your feelings.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Considering it's played by far more people than almost any other MMO, that's probably true but it means nothing in the scheme of things. When over 8 million people are playing a game, if half of them left it would still be far more successful than any other MMO you care to mention.
EQ and WoW are basically two different mmorpgs. The same way EQ2 and WoW are completely different. When it is inferred better then okay it is true WoW is a lot better quality as a game, but for me they held two different and distinct appeals.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_pack
LOLlets show them huh..
Expansion pack
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An expansion pack is an addition to an existing pen-and-paper RPG, game or video game. These add-ons usually add new game areas, weapons, objects, and/or an extended storyline to a complete and already released game. While board game expansions are typically designed by the original creator, video game developers sometimes contract out development of the expansion pack to third-party company, or it may choose to develop the expansion itself (see Hellfire for Diablo). Board games and RPGs have been marketing expansions since at least the early 1970s.
So lets measure TBC Vs. the exact defination
*added new area yup Outlands
*added new weapons yup tons and tons
*added new objects yup tons of trinkets
*added or extended the storyline yup advanced the story of the demon attack on azeroth
lets go a even more then what the defination calls for and mention ON TOP OF THAT
*added a new crafting profession
*added 2 new playable races with there own unique starting areas and storylines
*added classes that were previously faction specific on boths sides now
*added NEW RAID dungeons (black temple)
*added new story arc with Illidan who is a villian form the old days!!!
*added New flying mounts
*added players able to advance to level 70
Id have to say TBC meets and then vastly exceeds the defination of a expansion.
The real issue here is...
1) People had in there mind specific wants and didnt get it.... right, sorry Blizzard cant add every persons Idea in 1 expansion.
2) Some people were "elite" in a class all there own and had no real common compatition. and now any one can have as good of gear and leveled the playingfield so no more elite "im in a raid guild and have raid gear" people.
3) Some people are just ready for a new game and mistakenly thought that what a expansion was.
4) No MATTER how good you make something, Some person will always find a way to complain.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
No an expansion builds on existing product. TBC did not do that. It was meant as a replacement for WOW classic. I have NEVER played an MMO exp that did what it did to classic WOW. 5 5 man dungeons made completely useless, tell me how a new player will EVER finish their quests in Strats, Scholo, UBRS or Dire Maul. Who will EVER visit ZG (imo the best instance they EVER made), RAQ, MC, BWL, TAQ or Naxx, no one will theres no incentive whatsoever at all. Thats 12 instances completely wiped off the map (they might as well have). TBC replaced post 57 gameplay entirely, these previous dungeons arent even an alternative anymore.
and the truth shall set you free.
No an expansion builds on existing product. TBC did not do that. It was meant as a replacement for WOW classic. I have NEVER played an MMO exp that did what it did to classic WOW. 5 5 man dungeons made completely useless, tell me how a new player will EVER finish their quests in Strats, Scholo, UBRS or Dire Maul. Who will EVER visit ZG (imo the best instance they EVER made), RAQ, MC, BWL, TAQ or Naxx, no one will theres no incentive whatsoever at all. Thats 12 instances completely wiped off the map (they might as well have). TBC replaced post 57 gameplay entirely, these previous dungeons arent even an alternative anymore.
Lemme see...
In the last fortnight, I've done runs through Strathhome and Scholomance (not finished them yet but getting pretty close), Lower Blackrock Spire (to get the seal I need to get me into the upper reaches) and I'll be doing Dire Maul sometime over the next week. The raids I haven't been to yet but then I don't really care for raids so I'm not too fussed.
As for there being no incentive to do these old instances and raids - have you ever heard of doing them just because you want to? Take away all the other stuff and ask yourself why you play the game in the first way.
Because you want to.
No an expansion builds on existing product. TBC did not do that. It was meant as a replacement for WOW classic. I have NEVER played an MMO exp that did what it did to classic WOW. 5 5 man dungeons made completely useless, tell me how a new player will EVER finish their quests in Strats, Scholo, UBRS or Dire Maul. Who will EVER visit ZG (imo the best instance they EVER made), RAQ, MC, BWL, TAQ or Naxx, no one will theres no incentive whatsoever at all. Thats 12 instances completely wiped off the map (they might as well have). TBC replaced post 57 gameplay entirely, these previous dungeons arent even an alternative anymore.
actually almost every thing you mention our guild does often.Look.. a few ppl left ...tons of new ones are here.. Maybe your server sucks... or your guild. But thats not Blizzards fault.
They make a game... its up to the player to PLAY it.
I think our whole server is pretty fun and battlegroup for that matter.
RAMPAGE BG teams !!!!
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ADDED MORE BORING GRIND.
ADDED MORE DULL CARTOONY GRAPHICS
ADDED MORE MISSIONS THAT DON'T PAY ANYTHING
ADDED MORE LAME GAMING
Yes, we know what it added but WoW being the game it is this isn't anything new. Just another added boring chapter to an already boring game.
'nuff said.
And yet despite your dislike of the game, here you are posting in a forum about it.
...and what kind of person dies that make him? Could be trolling I guess.
I disagree. Blizzard made a superb game when they created WoW. The game is overall better than any other on the market for many reasons. TBC made the game more playable by the majority of subscribers out there. The majority isn't the raiders, they are the casual players that like to quest, hang out, and at most PvP and do instances.
I do agree that Blizzard screwed the Raiders over when they came out with TBC, due to the higher level gear that beats out the lower teirs of raiding gear, but those who actually enjoy raiding shouldn't be bothered by it, because you were doing something you enjoy. If you only raided for gear, then you shouldn't be so upset that you no don't have to raid all the time to get the best gear in the game. Now you have the option of creating your EPic set (I believe), gaining honor at your own pace for PvP gear, Arena gear, and Raid gear by doing smaller raids.
MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW
Currently Playing: WAR
Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.
AGAIN?!?!?
FFS, can't people just read for like, 2 minutes before they post....