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  • allegriaallegria Member CommonPosts: 682
    Originally posted by Bountytaker

    Originally posted by RexNebular

    He had 6 years and 30 million dollars to make the game, but everything was destroyed by a couple of Zoo Tycoon guys and the fact that Xbox was more important to Microsoft than THE VISION.



    Well, to be fair, it wasn't JUST that Xbox 360 was more important....it was also that Microsoft stopped believing the game could compete with WoW.

     

    Didn't they realize that Sigil ran on faith.  All the money in the world helps, but and "I believe in you" is priceless.  If only Microsoft had BELIEVED in them....had more FAITH...Vanguard would have toppled WoW by now.  Damn you cynicaly Microsoft bastards!!!!!



    Sigil failed themselves, they failed vangaurd and customers. Don't belive Brad's telling of the story blaming microsoft.

    I am sure brad made out in this, in the form of $$

    -Allegria

  • NevarionNevarion Member Posts: 274
    Originally posted by allegria

    <snip>
    1. He passes blame to everyone but himself
    2. He couldn't even be around and be a leader because he was unable to emotionally handle it ( becuase of selfishness )
    </snip>
    Can't agree with those statements. He tries to get away better than he possibly should but declines ANY fault? I didn't read that.

    Also emotional stress is not being selfish... not having such strains would be, well, cold.
  • arctarusarctarus Member UncommonPosts: 2,581
    Simply put, he's a very bad person. keep telling lies even now, he should really resign if he's really feeling responsible. I believe on the day he's staff is fired he's at home feeling lucky that he still keep his job. Only stupid kids will believe him!!!

    RIP Orc Choppa

  • LidaneLidane Member CommonPosts: 2,300

    OK. Before reading that interview, I knew there had to be some sort of mismanagement of time and money at Sigil, because $30+ million at your disposal, the backing of Microsoft, and 4+ years of development should have lead to so much more from Vanguard.

    After reading that interview, I realize that the mismanagement was so much worse than I ever believed. Holy cow.

    So let me get this straight--

    1. Microsoft, who worked with Turbine on Asheron's Call, have no idea how MMO development works, and they were mean to suggest things like schedules and timelines because those get in the way of the creative process.

    2. Microsoft was more interested in Zoo Tycoon and in the XBox 360 launch than Vanguard, which was fine while they were distracted, but which really started to suck when they began asking questions and demanding to see where their money was going.

    3. Brad claims the mantle of Christian belief as the reason why things like angels and demons aren't in his games, but he turns a deliberate blind eye to the fact that his second in command is openly nailing the marketing director while the guy's wife is in the same freaking office because the dude's a cool guy who watches BSG and collects comics? WTF?

    4. Brad took on the role of CEO, which means he's the leader, but he's so utterly spineless that he can't fire anyone, or even show up to the parking lot to see his employees get laid off? It's fine that he's an emotional guy, but he's CLEARLY not leadership material, because the CEO has to have the balls to face his workers and lay things out on the line. And they have to be able to make the tough decisions, like firing people who deserve it or laying off half your employees because you have to.

    Does that about sum it up?

    Sheesh. You can't make this shit up. Sigil sounds like it was completely out of control, with no management, no direction, and no discipline. That they managed to release anything at all is a miracle.

  • Parsifal57Parsifal57 Member Posts: 267
    Originally posted by Lidane


    OK. Before reading that interview, I knew there had to be some sort of mismanagement of time and money at Sigil, because $30+ million at your disposal, the backing of Microsoft, and 4+ years of development should have lead to so much more from Vanguard.
    After reading that interview, I realize that the mismanagement was so much worse than I ever believed. Holy cow.
    So let me get this straight--
    1. Microsoft, who worked with Turbine on Asheron's Call, have no idea how MMO development works, and they were mean to suggest things like schedules and timelines because those get in the way of the creative process.
    2. Microsoft was more interested in Zoo Tycoon and in the XBox 360 launch than Vanguard, which was fine while they were distracted, but which really started to suck when they began asking questions and demanding to see where their money was going.
    3. Brad claims the mantle of Christian belief as the reason why things like angels and demons aren't in his games, but he turns a deliberate blind eye to the fact that his second in command is openly nailing the marketing director while the guy's wife is in the same freaking office because the dude's a cool guy who watches BSG and collects comics? WTF?
    4. Brad took on the role of CEO, which means he's the leader, but he's so utterly spineless that he can't fire anyone, or even show up to the parking lot to see his employees get laid off? It's fine that he's an emotional guy, but he's CLEARLY not leadership material, because the CEO has to have the balls to face his workers and lay things out on the line. And they have to be able to make the tough decisions, like firing people who deserve it.
    Does that about sum it up?
    Sheesh. You can't make this shit up. Sigil sounds like it was completely out of control, with no management, no direction, and no discipline. That they managed to release anything at all is a miracle.
     I agree 100%, at this point SOE should dump him since his attachment to Vanguard now can do nothing but harm to the game. I would also expect any further game developments from him to be less than well received unless he is in a subordinate position since he clealry can't manage his way out of a paper bag.



    Not having the Guts to be there at the firings is very bad leadership and doesn't speak very highly of his religuous beliefs either.
  • sephersepher Member Posts: 3,561
    Originally posted by Nevarion

    Originally posted by allegria

    <snip>
    1. He passes blame to everyone but himself
    2. He couldn't even be around and be a leader because he was unable to emotionally handle it ( becuase of selfishness )
    </snip>
    Can't agree with those statements. He tries to get away better than he possibly should but declines ANY fault? I didn't read that.

    Also emotional stress is not being selfish... not having such strains would be, well, cold. He didn't decline any fault, but he didn't admit to any either; the latter is important. Yet he was able to rant on and on about the industry at large and Microsoft's "regime change".
  • Originally posted by Abraxos


    Hmm
    It was microsoft's fault and the evil Zoo Tycoon 2 staff who actually wanted to see milestones met with their 30 million. Sounds completely logical to me......



    Actually, that part I can fully believe.

    They did a VERY similar thing to Turbine and AC1/AC2

    Microsft has no business at all in the MMO side of games.

     

  • bverjibverji Member UncommonPosts: 722
    Originally posted by Cutedge

    SOE had nothing to do with Vanguard's failure, period. Even if i did have to jump through hoops to get them to cancel my account.



    SOE chose to agree to produce a game and then refuse to fund it until it was ready to be actually released. The most common arguments about what would happen when SOE got involved was

    1. SOE would put pressure to release Vanguard before it was ready.

    2. When the game tanked (because it wasn't ready) SOE would take over.

    Surprise!

  • Originally posted by 0k21

    Simply put, I think everyone seemed to have learned  a lesson here NEVER TRUST SOE



    HUH???

    That has to be the most left-field statement yet.

    What does ANY of this have to do with SOE??

    NM.. I guess for the Hate SOE Cultists, if N Korea nuked Los Angeles, it would be SOE's fault.

  • JonMichaelJonMichael Member Posts: 796
    Originally posted by Nevarion

    Originally posted by allegria

    <snip>
    1. He passes blame to everyone but himself
    2. He couldn't even be around and be a leader because he was unable to emotionally handle it ( becuase of selfishness )
    </snip>
    Can't agree with those statements. He tries to get away better than he possibly should but declines ANY fault? I didn't read that.

    Also emotional stress is not being selfish... not having such strains would be, well, cold.



    How about the emotional stress suffered by the people who were fired in the parking lot?

    The man was in charge and should be held responsible.  His excuse for not being there because he couldn't handle it and would be in tears is laughable.  The man should have been thinking about that long before the day it happened.  The fact that a few days after this occurred and Brad is taking interviews and talking about what's ahead for him show's just how much remorse he has for what's happened here.

    Two bad things have come from this... the poor Sigil employees who lost their jobs and the fact that Brad still has one.   

     

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  • xAlrythxxAlrythx Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by sepher

    Originally posted by Nevarion

    Originally posted by allegria

    <snip>
    1. He passes blame to everyone but himself
    2. He couldn't even be around and be a leader because he was unable to emotionally handle it ( becuase of selfishness )
    </snip>
    Can't agree with those statements. He tries to get away better than he possibly should but declines ANY fault? I didn't read that.

    Also emotional stress is not being selfish... not having such strains would be, well, cold.He didn't decline any fault, but he didn't admit to any either; the latter is important. Yet he was able to rant on and on about the industry at large and Microsoft's "regime change".

    QFT



    Also I would like to add that I am sick of hearing Brad talk, talk, talk and more talk. Maybe one day he will walk without falling over and trying to cover up his fall by pointing at the ground or a rock or the poor guy next to him and trying to blame that which he is pointing at.

    Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
    Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
    Looking Forward To: SW:TOR

  • MX13MX13 Member Posts: 2,489

     Disgusting... to make excuses for not being there when you're decisions cause your team to be let go...

    To Brad: You know what? YOU'RE the boss, you don't have the luxury to avoid YOUR responsabilites, so BUCK UP & do it for YOUR TEAM. Guess what, the day was harder for them then you... get over yourself... disgusting...

    I'll start my own SWG... with Black Jack... and Hookers!!!

    In fact, forget the SWG!!!!

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  • FaelanFaelan Member UncommonPosts: 819
    That was an interesting interview. Never in my life did I imagine that... lol... zoo tycoon... took part in the downfall of VG.

    I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977

    This guy makes Smedley look like a saint, and that's coming from a card carrying member of the $OE haters club!

    I'm a Christian and refuse to have angels or demons in Vanguard as it may offend some Christians, and I told that to Jeff whilst he was banging April on his wife's work station!

    People hiring their family? I can imagine the conversationas at home "Hey you wanna stop pumping gas and get a job as a developer at Sigil?". "Well what do I have to do?", "nothing just pick up a paycheck at the end of the month and bang some chicks in the office!". It sounds more like an incestous Roman orgy than a company seriously making an MMO.

    He was moaning about the Zoo Tycoon people giving him schedules, maybe after 4 years and 30 million dollars they're entitled to setting some schelduales? How the hell do you think Blizzard made WoW? "Don't worry guys you go away and do your thing and just come to us when you need more money, see you in 7 years."

    He wasn't at the firing because it would've made him cry? Ahhhhh isn't that sweet, either he's an EMO or a cold hearted bastard. Something tells me he didn't turn up out of fear, but not a fear of crying more a fear of getting his teeth kicked in. Besides he was too "engaged" counting his money with Jeff and his mistress whilst they drank Martinis by hi new pool.

    I've never played Zoo Tycoon because I was never interested in that type of game, but now I might just go and buy a copy. Also while I'm at the store I'll put copies of Zoo tycoon over Vanguard (if it's still on the shelves!).

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • SupernerdSupernerd Member Posts: 342
    I agree with brad.i mean why bring your wife to work.? it prob just made things worse.



    brad knew.

    That's why he never went to any of the parties.he prob knew waaay before launch and maybe thats why he even stopped goin to the office.He knew.But you can't put all the blame on him.i blame Jeff Butler more than Brad.i mean Brad knew way ahead of time that the game was in trouble but jeff was stil talking smack about how this and that was going to be added and stuff and that gave a lot of people hope...false hopeThe stuff i read about what Jeff was going to do and add down the line mislead a lot of people.



    I think Brad just got sick to his stomach about it and i feel bad.he couldn't even work anymore.it's better for him to just get away from this far way and start up something new .Something bigger and better very soon.i hope Brad completely stops talking about this mess and starts concentrating on a new project very soon,





    i think Vanguard will survive with soe and i think brad will make a new different game that will be a smash hit, He just needs a different crew.
  • RagewindRagewind Member Posts: 90


    Honestly what did you expect of a man with a "personal website" like this:



    http://www.bradmcquaid.com/



    So corny and tasteless.
  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977
    Originally posted by Supernerd

    I agree with brad.i mean why bring your wife to work.? it prob just made things worse.



    brad knew.

    That's why he never went to any of the parties.he prob knew waaay before launch and maybe thats why he even stopped goin to the office.He knew.But you can't put all the blame on him.i blame Jeff Butler more than Brad.i mean Brad knew way ahead of time that the game was in trouble but jeff was stil talking smack about how this and that was going to be added and stuff and that gave a lot of people hope...false hopeThe stuff i read about what Jeff was going to do and add down the line mislead a lot of people.



    I think Brad just got sick to his stomach about it and i feel bad.he couldn't even work anymore.it's better for him to just get away from this far way and start up something new .Something bigger and better very soon.i hope Brad completely stops talking about this mess and starts concentrating on a new project very soon,





    i think Vanguard will survive with soe and i think brad will make a new different game that will be a smash hit, He just needs a different crew.



    One problem with your opinion, Brad was the CEO not the ****ing tea boy! When a CEO sees trouble for his company product he tightens his belt and gets into the fray and starts cracking heads. When he has a wayward employee making him sick to his stomack he does something about it quickly and stops the rot, getting the company focused and on track. That's a CEOs job.

    A CEO doesn't hide from employees because he's afraid his product has problems and might be in alot of trouble next year at launch, not coming to work and allowing employees to hire their family members. I don't think Brad needs a different crew, I think he needs his brains testing.

    It was Zoo Tycoon not the fact I wanted more money but was unwilling to provide any evidence that we were doing anything other than hiring family members and shagging eachother on Microsoft's tab.

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

  • RexNebularRexNebular Member Posts: 259
    Originally posted by Supernerd

    i think Vanguard will survive with soe and i think brad will make a new different game that will be a smash hit, He just needs a different crew.



    I think he needs a new face and a new identity. Otherwise I don't see him getting funds to develop anything bigger than some porn games for mobile phones.

  • ginatroutginatrout Member Posts: 48
    I know for the sake of fairness, we needed to hear his side of the story.



    But Im sorry, Im sooo tired of him.  The rambling, his delusion of grandier, his psuedo-christian beliefs, his "I can't face my staff cause I'm gonna cry", the blame game...Im so sick of him.



    God, I cant believe he's still in the company, even it its a empty title...its just going to encourage him to type out more crap like this.
  • NevarionNevarion Member Posts: 274
    Strange, but I feel reminded of a witch hunt the more posts I do read.
  • AbraxosAbraxos Member Posts: 412
    Originally posted by miagisan

    Originally posted by 0k21

    Simply put, I think everyone seemed to have learned  a lesson here NEVER TRUST SOE
    huh?wtf you smokin? nothing in that interview blames soe.



    SOE are the only people that Brad hasn't blamed yet.
  • pablo0713pablo0713 Member Posts: 78
    I threw in the towel. I tried to support this game and the company since the game went retail. I was one of those players who came in without prior knowledge and tried to accept the game for what it was and would it could possibly become. However, after what has transpired over the last few days, I just can't bring myself to support a game with the kind of drama and history associated with Vanguard. At this point, SOE taking it over is a moot point. The ship has sunk in my book. Life is too short to wait around for what might be. All the while, there are plenty of MMOs out there that are made my companies who deserve my support as opposed to people like Brad who HAD EVERYTHING and blew it.



    I just gave away 2plat to random people.



    I gave away all my gear.



    I deleted my lvl 48 main and all my alts.



    I uninstalled and got 17GBs back!!



    Now, I'm off to go play a more superior game: LotRO.



    And to all the haters of this game who stuck by your guns, I'll definitely be listening to people like you more often. Vanguard finally brought out the jaded gamer in me.

    Lets Eat It!

  • AbraxosAbraxos Member Posts: 412
    Originally posted by RexNebular

    Originally posted by Supernerd

    i think Vanguard will survive with soe and i think brad will make a new different game that will be a smash hit, He just needs a different crew.



    I think he needs a new face and a new identity. Otherwise I don't see him getting funds to develop anything bigger than some porn games for mobile phones.


    He would forget to optimize it for the phones and he would then forget to put porn in it. Then he would blame Sprint for the shortcomings of Vanguard: Saga of the Erotic Ring Tone.
  • elf8blisself8bliss Member UncommonPosts: 304

    One word, VANRON

    Wanting money for an idea (the Vision) before there's a good quality product.

    Personally, the biggest mistake I see that he made was not showing up to the employee lay-off. Who cares if your were going to be bawling, it's the least those employees deserve. That's just spineless.

  • Agricola1Agricola1 Member UncommonPosts: 4,977
    Originally posted by Abraxos

    Originally posted by RexNebular

    Originally posted by Supernerd

    i think Vanguard will survive with soe and i think brad will make a new different game that will be a smash hit, He just needs a different crew.



    I think he needs a new face and a new identity. Otherwise I don't see him getting funds to develop anything bigger than some porn games for mobile phones.


    He would forget to optimize it for the phones and he would then forget to put porn in it. Then he would blame Sprint for the shortcomings of Vanguard: Saga of the Erotic Ring Tone.

    It just wouldn't work since the grouping is bugged and helmets are non-existant, also not enough mounts :(

    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

    CS Lewis

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