Mnay different things have ruined wow and i will list them ...take them as they are or just flame to someone else cause it true! 1. bc ruin it - true
Actually have you tried it...BC is alot of fun and adds alot to the game
2.kiddies ruined the community - true Moot point, thi sis true with all games not just WoW or BC
3. gold sellers and account sellers ruined it - true Another issue all games have, and Actually Blizz just patched and fixed this there is no more GOld Spam , 1000 gold seller accounts banned last week TYVM
4. kiddies cant earn nothing and buy gold which in turn made gold sellers what they are today - true No longer true cause of above reason
5. fact wasnt many gold sellers and account sellers before wow - true OMG what rock you been under, we use to chase and report Gold farming bots in SWG before WOW was even in design stage, and ask ANY !!! ultima on-line or orginal EQ or AC player... ther eis and has always been Gold sellers, only Blizz has stopped them, PLUS teh forceing E-Bay to stop all Game account Sales.. you need to get a clue ...really
6. today 80% of all sellers came from gold buyers from wow - true Last statement, Please do a little research before you vent yrou anger on WOW, UO was teh first real MMORPG and it had 1000's gold sellers ....
there are the 6 top reasons after i made it to lvl 60 in wow why i left and many others have also! kiddies have destroyed wow and now it pouring over to other games .... so thank the wonderful kiddies and those who buy gold from sellers for the problems today in mmo world!
Sorry but no one "makes you quit" if you no longer enjoyed the game...Fine.. if those things bothered you ...FINE...
But declaring so adamently on statement that ar etotally untrue is pretty much lies and slander..
YOu havent played the game after TBC or after 2.1.1 patch... most of the things you say are fixed...
Oh BTW 4 of your reasons are teh same reason... 1 is un justified by the other 4 and teh first thing you listed was basically saying just cause you said so type of no explination of blind disregard.
DID you even try the EXP before telling ppl it sucks?
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
Personally I felt cheated that Blizzard got lazy. .......
YOu can have yoru opinion, tho it makes you look totally un aware of what TBC really is...
BTW do you know that your sig is a quote from a book that was written totally based on fictious lies to manipulate the common man to pay Taxes in tax free countries and later was taken in by idiots 100 years latter to mistakenly Kill over 300,000 innocent souls and make a entire speices of dog extinct, because someone read something fictional and Thought they knew what they were talking about???
ironically explains your uninformed judgement of a great expansion of WOW tho
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
Mnay different things have ruined wow and i will list them ...take them as they are or just flame to someone else cause it true! 1. bc ruin it - true
Actually have you tried it...BC is alot of fun and adds alot to the game Yes i have tried it... i actually bought it at midnight and after one hour i deleted it and said its the same crap different box!
2.kiddies ruined the community - true Moot point, thi sis true with all games not just WoW or BC Wrong we in eq 2 have curb the kiddies we tell them plain in simple play right or get ignored by the community !!!! and it happens!
3. gold sellers and account sellers ruined it - true Another issue all games have, and Actually Blizz just patched and fixed this there is no more GOld Spam , 1000 gold seller accounts banned last week TYVM Not true also soory but i have played mmo's a long time way back at the start of commodore 64 days... yes eq 1 had some etc... but today its a huge booming business started mostly by wow players and wow gold selling! again shows why wow is popular its easy and buying gold is easy and they dont like to earn anything on thier own... like one person told me from wow i was fighting with ... i told him wow is a waste its all raid raid raid content nothing more same crap over and over and i told him im a soloist how am i to get my epic mount if i dont like to raid ...he told me (ready for this) go buy it ...there you go no earning it nope go buy it what an answer typical! 4. kiddies cant earn nothing and buy gold which in turn made gold sellers what they are today - true No longer true cause of above reason look above for this answer
5. fact wasnt many gold sellers and account sellers before wow - true OMG what rock you been under, we use to chase and report Gold farming bots in SWG before WOW was even in design stage, and ask ANY !!! ultima on-line or orginal EQ or AC player... ther eis and has always been Gold sellers, only Blizz has stopped them, PLUS teh forceing E-Bay to stop all Game account Sales.. you need to get a clue ...really there wasnt many fact 80% of gold selling comapnies came out after wow and gold sales sky rocketed from wow gaming players 100% fact
6. today 80% of all sellers came from gold buyers from wow - true Last statement, Please do a little research before you vent yrou anger on WOW, UO was teh first real MMORPG and it had 1000's gold sellers .... look above again for answer ... look it up and see the truth my friend
there are the 6 top reasons after i made it to lvl 60 in wow why i left and many others have also! kiddies have destroyed wow and now it pouring over to other games .... so thank the wonderful kiddies and those who buy gold from sellers for the problems today in mmo world!
Sorry but no one "makes you quit" if you no longer enjoyed the game...Fine.. if those things bothered you ...FINE...
But declaring so adamently on statement that ar etotally untrue is pretty much lies and slander..
YOu havent played the game after TBC or after 2.1.1 patch... most of the things you say are fixed...
Oh BTW 4 of your reasons are teh same reason... 1 is un justified by the other 4 and teh first thing you listed was basically saying just cause you said so type of no explination of blind disregard.
DID you even try the EXP before telling ppl it sucks?
sorry to say you needa reality check... the people in wow do nothing but promote gold selling and let the kiddies destroy games as to us in eq 2 we control the situation and dont allow this to happen ...they facts are there look them up this is why companies like soe and others are fed up with sellers alike they are destroying games and kiddies and people like you sit back and watch it happen and contibute to it!
...and i told him im a soloist how am i to get my epic mount if i dont like to raid...
Have you really played this game? I started to seriously doubt after this statement.
Gold sellers have grown because of Lineage 2 not because of WoW. Do you really believe there are gold sellers in the game because of the game itself and not because of popularity? I raided 2 years for 6/7 days 5 hours a day and I have a full time job so can't grind much Still I was hardly ever out of money and there was never need to buy gold.
I stopped WoW for 1-2 months because of the LOTRO but went back few weeks ago. Can you guess why? Raids....and enough content to make your eyes bleed before you see it all.
P.S. Stop talking crap for something you dedicated only 30 mins 6 months ago ( 12 patches?).
..., but there is so much to do with so many factions. Ok it is repetitive but ONLY for you people out there who only play to level and pwn and are not interested in actually living in an MMO and enjoy the world in a real community.
I had a hard time to stop laughing when i saw this one. Can't imagine a mmo with a worse community then WoW with a less interesting end-game system.
Personally I felt cheated that Blizzard got lazy. After they built this big new zone called Outlands, it's like they decided that raping their subscribers with lubrication wasn't enough, so they threw out the lube with the rest of the planned features. Blizzard Employee 1: Making new classes is hard work. Blizzard Employee 2: Hey, I know, let's just take the unique classes from each faction and give it to the other! That way we can advertise new classes for each faction, and only have to do half the work! Blizzard Employee 1: Great idea! Hey, I know! let's take a shit on the lore and give Horde the Blood Elves. That way, we can take the Night Elf models and just modify the textures! It'll only take HALF the work! Blizzard Employee 2: Wait, don't you think that some of our players might recognize this utter lack of effort on our part? I mean, they are paying us monthly, plus the cost of the expansion. Blizzard Employee 1: Are you kidding me? All we gotta do is slap the words "Blizzard" and "Warcraft" on it and then cash the checks.
Personally I felt cheated that Blizzard got lazy. After they built this big new zone called Outlands, it's like they decided that raping their subscribers with lubrication wasn't enough, so they threw out the lube with the rest of the planned features. Blizzard Employee 1: Making new classes is hard work. Blizzard Employee 2: Hey, I know, let's just take the unique classes from each faction and give it to the other! That way we can advertise new classes for each faction, and only have to do half the work! Blizzard Employee 1: Great idea! Hey, I know! let's take a shit on the lore and give Horde the Blood Elves. That way, we can take the Night Elf models and just modify the textures! It'll only take HALF the work! Blizzard Employee 2: Wait, don't you think that some of our players might recognize this utter lack of effort on our part? I mean, they are paying us monthly, plus the cost of the expansion. Blizzard Employee 1: Are you kidding me? All we gotta do is slap the words "Blizzard" and "Warcraft" on it and then cash the checks.
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Totally agree....this was great...... especially the last response from employee 1.
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Originally posted by norvak I agree that the xpac was fun for a month, but over all it made the game worse, and made me quit playing. Call me odd, but I actually enjoyed 40 man raids.
You know, i got bored with 40man raids to a degree but i enjoyed them a TON more then the BC with its grinding out rep for a fucking attunement. bullshit.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
just wanted to see how many people think the expansion made WoW worse, for me it did.
Yes. It did. Almost everyone I know who used to play WoW has quit since the expansion. My brother was the co-leader of one of the biggest guilds on his server, he quit. Me and my girlfriend were both very active players in an elite guild, we quit.
The expansion seemed like lazy work.
- Phos
My guild of 75 people (active)(200 inactive) used to be very big on raids we did MC BWL AQ40 and started Nax when the expansion hit with in the first month 20 people quit. After that it was constant. I believe now there is a total of 4-8 people that still play and they have gone to other servers and just level as entertainment. 90% of the people in my guild hate what BC did for WoW and even more say they will be going to Warhammer. My guild was on a pvp server and most of us did enjoy BGs the first few hundred times around.
...and i told him im a soloist how am i to get my epic mount if i dont like to raid...
Have you really played this game? I started to seriously doubt after this statement.
Gold sellers have grown because of Lineage 2 not because of WoW. Do you really believe there are gold sellers in the game because of the game itself and not because of popularity? I raided 2 years for 6/7 days 5 hours a day and I have a full time job so can't grind much Still I was hardly ever out of money and there was never need to buy gold.
I stopped WoW for 1-2 months because of the LOTRO but went back few weeks ago. Can you guess why? Raids....and enough content to make your eyes bleed before you see it all.
P.S. Stop talking crap for something you dedicated only 30 mins 6 months ago ( 12 patches?).
Ah yes i see the typical wow fanboy thing going here now.... sure lineage 2 did help but it was all wow my friend you just cant handle that fact that the wow community has and infact destroying the mmo industry..... got to love those gold sellers hmmmmm.... and yes i played the game i got a lvl 60 pally on scarlet crusade soory but you need to know fact before spouting off again!
p.s. You need to leave the kiddie pool and come play in the mature league of eq 2! GO SOE GO!
...and i told him im a soloist how am i to get my epic mount if i dont like to raid...
Have you really played this game? I started to seriously doubt after this statement.
Gold sellers have grown because of Lineage 2 not because of WoW. Do you really believe there are gold sellers in the game because of the game itself and not because of popularity? I raided 2 years for 6/7 days 5 hours a day and I have a full time job so can't grind much Still I was hardly ever out of money and there was never need to buy gold.
I stopped WoW for 1-2 months because of the LOTRO but went back few weeks ago. Can you guess why? Raids....and enough content to make your eyes bleed before you see it all.
P.S. Stop talking crap for something you dedicated only 30 mins 6 months ago ( 12 patches?).
Ah yes i see the typical wow fanboy thing going here now.... sure lineage 2 did help but it was all wow my friend you just cant handle that fact that the wow community has and infact destroying the mmo industry..... got to love those gold sellers hmmmmm.... and yes i played the game i got a lvl 60 pally on scarlet crusade soory but you need to know fact before spouting off again!
p.s. You need to leave the kiddie pool and come play in the mature league of eq 2! GO SOE GO!
Its clear you have a blind hate for the game, why are you even trolling our boards?
Fine you didnt like the exp, you are making up lies and uninformed declaration that are slandering the game.
It shows cause the expansion pretty much is for solo people, they made 40 man raids worthless, and they added in a feeature where you cant mass spamm whispers you try to spam adds in spatial you can insta report them for spamming and they get banned.
You know .. call someone a fanboy when your hate for a game blinds you so far...
PS. Sony sux bad ... they ruined my SWG ... AND im a ex-EQ2 and that game was so dogg boring I regret leveling to 40 in it before feeling that poking my eyes out would be more fun then playing Ever Camp 2.
go back to the EQ boards SOE fanboy
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
What they should have done? Given us a choice... you make very vailid points , I cant disagree without at all.
Oh it was yes SOE that started the cost effects expansions, but it wasn't SWG , it was with Everquest 1 & 2.
But not to get off topic. Your right that there is maybe some implication of what that fee is for. I think if they were to offically comment they would say the fee covers the cost to run teh servers, web site and basic service. As a bought 1 time fee expansion with additional content the fee is to recover teh cost of development of the Doders wages and resources used to develop and test the expasion.
Which I know we have come to the point of saying BC is needed to play End game content, But still optional I have a few guildmates taht cause they are highschool students haven't bought the BC and play the game up to lvl 60 just fine.
To be honest even Free to play games such as Anarcy On-line Charge a fee for there new Expansions, I think pretty much all On-line games do. I think ther eis a real cost to wadges and such for coders to write direct model and creative staff to create dialogs of NPS and mini stories.
Rip off? nah ... the fee is small.. now on teh othe rhand if you have to pay more per month to have TBC yes that would be a rip off.
and it is optional... to lvl 60 anyway, We haev to wait and see what Blizzard does now from this point on. Do they Take teh Sony school of thought or the NC soft school of thought? as in.. AO when the next exp comes out they give all members free access to teh old expansion and only charge for the ne wone. Or like sony say ...$$$$$$ buy each exp muhahahahha and Like it !!!! lol
lets see where they go with there exp philosophy.
I call it rip off because it cost some 35€ here at release, the usual price for an xpac is 25€. Mind you it's not a standalone expansion and doesn't come with a free month like the original either, so the content alone doesn't really justify those extra 10€ (that's usually what the 25 are for). Of course Blizzard are free to charge whatever they want for an xpac, but why did they get away with this? Because they knew for well that leaving customers without a choice (no TBC free realms, uberitems totally pawning classic players) the majority would swallow it and thus overall sales would remain higher even with some people leaving. If people are enjoying themselves with the xpac by all means let them, but noone can tell me running a certain instance hundreds of times is actually fun. Basically it's work and requires dedication. People are willing to put up this effort but once they realise it's all for nothing whenever Blizzard sees fit, they will falter and lose interest.
I also believe what the other guy said about 'same old stuff' is important in this context. I'm not against addons as such, yes, there weren't any blood elves, flying mounts or the Underworld, but basically it's about as new to us as UD/IF were three years before. It's still the same cycle. I'm a D2 vet and when I began playing WoW I was actually surprised at the lack of content and complexity. I figured it was supposedly to make it more mainstream compliant, but now with the xpac it seems obvious to me they simply withheld sockets/jewels to justify their limited addon content and it wouldn't surprise me if the next xpac contains runes or some other D2 features (along with more uber items, lvl cap 80 etc).
So, in terms of xpac philosophy; Yes, they've made substantial profits with TBC, but Blizzard used to be considered the good guys whereas SOE/EA was baaad. But with the recent addon I believe they've gone a long way in undermining this reputation and alienating some of their most loyal playerbase.
I just wanted to pipe up here and get Miataka's back on this one. If I wrote something here, it would just be an echo of your posts Miataka. You've hit every point I would have wanted to make right on the head. If I think of anything you may have over looked, i'll add it to the conversation. Keep up the good work.
Mnay different things have ruined wow and i will list them ...take them as they are or just flame to someone else cause it true!
1. bc ruin it - true
Ok, this one is a matter of perspective. If you're a raider, maybe this could be true, but there is so much more to do in the game that just "RAID". So if you think BC ruined the game, list how, don't just say it did, because thats BS and its pure speculation and opinion, back it up with some real facts.
2.kiddies ruined the community - true
Yes, kiddies can get out of hand, but there are now tools to help deal with them. Number one, IGNORE, number two, the Armory website is available to check for their guildmasters and send a nice note with a complaint, believe me, that one works well, i've used it several times. Most guild leaders don't want these kids causing trouble and making their guilds look bad.
3. gold sellers and account sellers ruined it - true
Right click to report gold sellers, Blizzard is taking one of them to court to make a point, that sure doesn't sound like NOTHING, its sounds like SOMETHING. I personally haven't gotten a spam message since the right click thing was put in and made active.
4. kiddies cant earn nothing and buy gold which in turn made gold sellers what they are today - true
With Blizz going after the sellers, i'm sure they are going after the buyers too. That only makes sense.
5. fact wasnt many gold sellers and account sellers before wow - true
Thats incorrect, they were in Everquest 1, they were in Star Wars Galaxies, and i'm sure other games too. It wasn't born with World of Warcraft.
6. today 80% of all sellers came from gold buyers from wow - true
So you're saying gold sellers started as gold buyers? Not sure what you mean here? I would have thought the sellers came first because without sellers, there is nothing to buy, so I think your logic is a bit flawed here.
there are the 6 top reasons after i made it to lvl 60 in wow why i left and many others have also!
kiddies have destroyed wow and now it pouring over to other games .... so thank the wonderful kiddies and those who buy gold from sellers for the problems today in mmo world!
I believe your logic is pretty flawed or just plain based on your personal opinion only. Your list is a poor example of misinformation and an attempt to troll. I mean by your logic, kids are the only gold sellers and they are the real thing thats wrong with the game. I hate to tell you, kids don't just play WoW, i've had bad encounters with them in EQ, EQ II, SWG, COH/COV, Lineage, Lineage II, Guildwars, etc and its actually been much easier to deal with them in WoW than any of the other games (except for EQ II, they have similar tools). As I listed above, there are ways to deal with the problem kiddies, ignore works well, and if that doesn't do it, contact their guild leaders, using the world of warcraft armory, there is a link right on the main WoW website.
As far as gold sellers/spammers, I think the real fact is that most gold seller sites are located outside of the contienental United States, in countries like China and Korea, which makes them much harder to prosecute. At least Blizzard is making an effort, the same can't be said for some of the other MMO games ( and i'm not saying there aren't other working on the problem too). I personally followed the links to a couple of the ones that used to spam WoW and EQ II, they were all Chinese websites. I won't list the two here, but i'm sure you know which ones i'm talking about. So please, don't confuse the issues. If you don't like the game, fine, don't play, but don't exaggerate and start rumors based on your personal feelings without checking the facts. You like to throw around figures, the problem is, your figures and facts are just plain WRONG.
What they should have done? Given us a choice...you make very vailid points , I cant disagree without at all.
Oh it was yes SOE that started the cost effects expansions, but it wasn't SWG , it was with Everquest 1 & 2.
But not to get off topic. Your right that there is maybe some implication of what that fee is for. I think if they were to offically comment they would say the fee covers the cost to run teh servers, web site and basic service. As a bought 1 time fee expansion with additional content the fee is to recover teh cost of development of the Doders wages and resources used to develop and test the expasion.
Which I know we have come to the point of saying BC is needed to play End game content, But still optional I have a few guildmates taht cause they are highschool students haven't bought the BC and play the game up to lvl 60 just fine.
To be honest even Free to play games such as Anarcy On-line Charge a fee for there new Expansions, I think pretty much all On-line games do. I think ther eis a real cost to wadges and such for coders to write direct model and creative staff to create dialogs of NPS and mini stories.
Rip off? nah ... the fee is small.. now on teh othe rhand if you have to pay more per month to have TBC yes that would be a rip off.
and it is optional... to lvl 60 anyway, We haev to wait and see what Blizzard does now from this point on. Do they Take teh Sony school of thought or the NC soft school of thought? as in.. AO when the next exp comes out they give all members free access to teh old expansion and only charge for the ne wone. Or like sony say ...$$$$$$ buy each exp muhahahahha and Like it !!!! lol
lets see where they go with there exp philosophy.
I call it rip off because it cost some 35€ here at release, the usual price for an xpac is 25€. Mind you it's not a standalone expansion and doesn't come with a free month like the original either, so the content alone doesn't really justify those extra 10€ (that's usually what the 25 are for). Of course Blizzard are free to charge whatever they want for an xpac, but why did they get away with this? Because they knew for well that leaving customers without a choice (no TBC free realms, uberitems totally pawning classic players) the majority would swallow it and thus overall sales would remain higher even with some people leaving. If people are enjoying themselves with the xpac by all means let them, but noone can tell me running a certain instance hundreds of times is actually fun. Basically it's work and requires dedication. People are willing to put up this effort but once they realise it's all for nothing whenever Blizzard sees fit, they will falter and lose interest.
I also believe what the other guy said about 'same old stuff' is important in this context. I'm not against addons as such, yes, there weren't any blood elves, flying mounts or the Underworld, but basically it's about as new to us as UD/IF were three years before. It's still the same cycle. I'm a D2 vet and when I began playing WoW I was actually surprised at the lack of content and complexity. I figured it was supposedly to make it more mainstream compliant, but now with the xpac it seems obvious to me they simply withheld sockets/jewels to justify their limited addon content and it wouldn't surprise me if the next xpac contains runes or some other D2 features (along with more uber items, lvl cap 80 etc).
So, in terms of xpac philosophy; Yes, they've made substantial profits with TBC, but Blizzard used to be considered the good guys whereas SOE/EA was baaad. But with the recent addon I believe they've gone a long way in undermining this reputation and alienating some of their most loyal playerbase.
Ok first i have to say here in the US, the expansion pack cost the same as all other companies expansion packs including EQ II and SWG. The content for the cost was much better than the last two offerings from SoE for both of the games i mentioned before and it was way more complete at launch then Echoes of Faydwer and The Trials of Obi Wan, the latter of which, SoE was forced to refund players money for.
Ok with that much said I don't want this to sound wrong or insulting, so please don't take it that way. You say you're a veteran D2 player? How can you honestly judge WoW as lacking content and complexity? D2 didn't take exactly a brain surgeon to play. You picked a class, and hacked your way to the end, picking up a lot of junk loot as you went along (and yes, i played it and the expansion too). I mean you're trying to compare D2 to World of Warcraft. Its not World of Diablo 2, its based on the Warcraft World, so when you compare it to the Warcraft games, its very complex and has a HUGE amount of content in comparison. You're trying to compare apples to oranges, while both are fruit, you just can't compare the two fairly.
See whats really funny is people SCREAM .. we need more .. give us more..we want more game..
Sucks I got to 60 in 5 days and nothing to do....
SO what does Blizz do... Make a great expansion...NOT a total CLuster **** full game engine revamp like SWG.... NOT make WOW2 like what they did with everCAMP and everCAMP 2
and guess what boys and girls... Blizz is patching, bug fixing, troubleshooting. every week... EVERY WEEK
Not like in RF online where we get a update once a year... with bug fixes.. Not like EVERCAMP games that charge you $10 per expansion every 3 weeks......
Not like free games that charge you $15 for the expansion and then most of the new Items you have to BUY with rl money on there game store anyway...
Nope.. they made "expanded" the exisiting world... added outlands.. 10 more levels.. 1000's of new Weapons items and gear An entire new Profession totally optional. FLYING mounts... new PVP battle grounds. 2 new races.
without altering the orginal game play. Cause ok Look maybe you can get better at higher level then in RAIDs...
You can still raid.. just cause yoru "guild" gets mad and stomps its feet away or worse yet DONT need the rest of you to solo in outland...
you cant be mad at Blizz for that, be mad at those that left your guild.
You cant have it both ways.. you cant ask for more, then get it and say...NO NO not more..just different...
You cant win as a company in this...cause had they done what those few that are now mad wanted, then FAR more would be like..wtf did they add ? then it would have been a rip off..
OK look you were top dog...best of the best...took you 3 years raiding to get that shoulder and weapons...
Now there is better stuff... and your angry... Wake up...enjoy the fact that there IS more to do...
and if you still cant get over it... fine... dont sub.. dont play. and FFS dont post yoru elitist garbage slandering a game that is better then anything currently on the market.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
Ok first i have to say here in the US, the expansion pack cost the same as all other companies expansion packs including EQ II and SWG. The content for the cost was much better than the last two offerings from SoE for both of the games i mentioned before and it was way more complete at launch then Echoes of Faydwer and The Trials of Obi Wan, the latter of which, SoE was forced to refund players money for. Ok with that much said I don't want this to sound wrong or insulting, so please don't take it that way. You say you're a veteran D2 player? How can you honestly judge WoW as lacking content and complexity? D2 didn't take exactly a brain surgeon to play. You picked a class, and hacked your way to the end, picking up a lot of junk loot as you went along (and yes, i played it and the expansion too). I mean you're trying to compare D2 to World of Warcraft. Its not World of Diablo 2, its based on the Warcraft World, so when you compare it to the Warcraft games, its very complex and has a HUGE amount of content in comparison. You're trying to compare apples to oranges, while both are fruit, you just can't compare the two fairly.
It's fine, no offense taken. But I think you misunderstood what I referred to as the complexity of D2. It really wasn't in the slashing sense but in terms of items. D2/LoD items were far more varied than WoW's ever were (random generated stats, 'raw' items, sockets, runes/runewords, gems), not to mention the Horadic Cube with which one could upgrade items, delete/mold socket entries etc.. In D2 not everyone had a certain chance of getting this or that item either. Finding the really rare stuff was tough and relied a lot on trade. In WoW otoh you're basically guranteeed to get item X if you run say Monastery a certain amount of times. Of course the high end stuff does have miserable drop rates too, but why even bother? Just take your char to pvp and you can even choose specifically what you get and further more it'll be just like what all the others obtained. There's hardly any variety or random stats in high end stuff. Yes, WoW has enchanting and crafting like every other 'good' mmo, and now even gems and sockets, but what I meant was considering that Blizzard had made D2, I actually expected more of them in this regard and not to withhold these ideas for further expansions.
As for expansion costs, yeah, that's possible. In Europe the addon cost 35€ compared to the usual amount of 25€. But I'm not sure how flattering it is being compared to SOE as offering more for one's money's worth. I mean that $ in $OE doesn't come from nowhere after all. Back when mmo subscription fees were first introduced they were meant to cover three things; server maintenance, cheat protection and (interestingly) development of further content. So, let's see now, server maintenance, ok fine they're running (but battlenet is free to this day, so can't really be that expensive and require 15$ from each player), cheat protection (there are about as many bots running around in WoW as in D2), content expansion ("sweet, we'll offer purchasable xpacs and charge them twice!" "lol, twice shortsighted dumbass!" "muahahaha"). SOE were the forerunners in this regard and they really never respected anything. They even meant to introduce (or have done so, dunno) purchasable gold and equip for real money! True, there is demand for this sort of service but the majority of players still oppose it. But oh well, if SOE does it, everyone might aswell and that makes it okay I guess? Personally I don't think so, but people have come to terms with this sort of marketing and it hardly seems to bother anyone anymore.
Anyway, it's really not just about those 10€ but rather the fact they didn't leave people with a choice. Normally one could count on Blizzard allowing players to play the game as they wanted to and the addons were merely that -addons, for people who got sick of the old content and one was persuaded through content not blackmail to switch. It was this difference imho why Blizzard stood in higher regard than ie. SOE for instance. But so much for that, eh?
Inspite of all my citicism I do in fact like MMO's, but never let it be said we're not getting robbed for our money here.
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But declaring so adamently on statement that ar etotally untrue is pretty much lies and slander..
YOu havent played the game after TBC or after 2.1.1 patch... most of the things you say are fixed...
Oh BTW 4 of your reasons are teh same reason... 1 is un justified by the other 4 and teh first thing you listed was basically saying just cause you said so type of no explination of blind disregard.
DID you even try the EXP before telling ppl it sucks?
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ironically explains your uninformed judgement of a great expansion of WOW tho
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But declaring so adamently on statement that ar etotally untrue is pretty much lies and slander..
YOu havent played the game after TBC or after 2.1.1 patch... most of the things you say are fixed...
Oh BTW 4 of your reasons are teh same reason... 1 is un justified by the other 4 and teh first thing you listed was basically saying just cause you said so type of no explination of blind disregard.
DID you even try the EXP before telling ppl it sucks?
sorry to say you needa reality check... the people in wow do nothing but promote gold selling and let the kiddies destroy games as to us in eq 2 we control the situation and dont allow this to happen ...they facts are there look them up this is why companies like soe and others are fed up with sellers alike they are destroying games and kiddies and people like you sit back and watch it happen and contibute to it!
Gold sellers have grown because of Lineage 2 not because of WoW. Do you really believe there are gold sellers in the game because of the game itself and not because of popularity? I raided 2 years for 6/7 days 5 hours a day and I have a full time job so can't grind much
I stopped WoW for 1-2 months because of the LOTRO but went back few weeks ago. Can you guess why? Raids....and enough content to make your eyes bleed before you see it all.
P.S. Stop talking crap for something you dedicated only 30 mins 6 months ago ( 12 patches?).
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Totally agree....this was great...... especially the last response from employee 1.
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Call me odd, but I actually enjoyed 40 man raids.
You know, i got bored with 40man raids to a degree but i enjoyed them a TON more then the BC with its grinding out rep for a fucking attunement. bullshit.
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Yes. It did. Almost everyone I know who used to play WoW has quit since the expansion. My brother was the co-leader of one of the biggest guilds on his server, he quit. Me and my girlfriend were both very active players in an elite guild, we quit.
The expansion seemed like lazy work.
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My guild of 75 people (active)(200 inactive) used to be very big on raids we did MC BWL AQ40 and started Nax when the expansion hit with in the first month 20 people quit. After that it was constant. I believe now there is a total of 4-8 people that still play and they have gone to other servers and just level as entertainment. 90% of the people in my guild hate what BC did for WoW and even more say they will be going to Warhammer. My guild was on a pvp server and most of us did enjoy BGs the first few hundred times around.Gold sellers have grown because of Lineage 2 not because of WoW. Do you really believe there are gold sellers in the game because of the game itself and not because of popularity? I raided 2 years for 6/7 days 5 hours a day and I have a full time job so can't grind much
I stopped WoW for 1-2 months because of the LOTRO but went back few weeks ago. Can you guess why? Raids....and enough content to make your eyes bleed before you see it all.
P.S. Stop talking crap for something you dedicated only 30 mins 6 months ago ( 12 patches?).
Ah yes i see the typical wow fanboy thing going here now.... sure lineage 2 did help but it was all wow my friend you just cant handle that fact that the wow community has and infact destroying the mmo industry..... got to love those gold sellers hmmmmm.... and yes i played the game i got a lvl 60 pally on scarlet crusade soory but you need to know fact before spouting off again!
p.s. You need to leave the kiddie pool and come play in the mature league of eq 2! GO SOE GO!
Gold sellers have grown because of Lineage 2 not because of WoW. Do you really believe there are gold sellers in the game because of the game itself and not because of popularity? I raided 2 years for 6/7 days 5 hours a day and I have a full time job so can't grind much
I stopped WoW for 1-2 months because of the LOTRO but went back few weeks ago. Can you guess why? Raids....and enough content to make your eyes bleed before you see it all.
P.S. Stop talking crap for something you dedicated only 30 mins 6 months ago ( 12 patches?).
Ah yes i see the typical wow fanboy thing going here now.... sure lineage 2 did help but it was all wow my friend you just cant handle that fact that the wow community has and infact destroying the mmo industry..... got to love those gold sellers hmmmmm.... and yes i played the game i got a lvl 60 pally on scarlet crusade soory but you need to know fact before spouting off again!
p.s. You need to leave the kiddie pool and come play in the mature league of eq 2! GO SOE GO!
Its clear you have a blind hate for the game, why are you even trolling our boards?Fine you didnt like the exp, you are making up lies and uninformed declaration that are slandering the game.
It shows cause the expansion pretty much is for solo people, they made 40 man raids worthless, and they added in a feeature where you cant mass spamm whispers you try to spam adds in spatial you can insta report them for spamming and they get banned.
You know .. call someone a fanboy when your hate for a game blinds you so far...
PS. Sony sux bad ... they ruined my SWG ... AND im a ex-EQ2 and that game was so dogg boring I regret leveling to 40 in it before feeling that poking my eyes out would be more fun then playing Ever Camp 2.
go back to the EQ boards SOE fanboy
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Oh it was yes SOE that started the cost effects expansions, but it wasn't SWG , it was with Everquest 1 & 2.
But not to get off topic. Your right that there is maybe some implication of what that fee is for. I think if they were to offically comment they would say the fee covers the cost to run teh servers, web site and basic service. As a bought 1 time fee expansion with additional content the fee is to recover teh cost of development of the Doders wages and resources used to develop and test the expasion.
Which I know we have come to the point of saying BC is needed to play End game content, But still optional I have a few guildmates taht cause they are highschool students haven't bought the BC and play the game up to lvl 60 just fine.
To be honest even Free to play games such as Anarcy On-line Charge a fee for there new Expansions, I think pretty much all On-line games do. I think ther eis a real cost to wadges and such for coders to write direct model and creative staff to create dialogs of NPS and mini stories.
Rip off? nah ... the fee is small.. now on teh othe rhand if you have to pay more per month to have TBC yes that would be a rip off.
and it is optional... to lvl 60 anyway, We haev to wait and see what Blizzard does now from this point on. Do they Take teh Sony school of thought or the NC soft school of thought? as in.. AO when the next exp comes out they give all members free access to teh old expansion and only charge for the ne wone. Or like sony say ...$$$$$$ buy each exp muhahahahha and Like it !!!! lol
lets see where they go with there exp philosophy.
I call it rip off because it cost some 35€ here at release, the usual price for an xpac is 25€. Mind you it's not a standalone expansion and doesn't come with a free month like the original either, so the content alone doesn't really justify those extra 10€ (that's usually what the 25 are for). Of course Blizzard are free to charge whatever they want for an xpac, but why did they get away with this? Because they knew for well that leaving customers without a choice (no TBC free realms, uberitems totally pawning classic players) the majority would swallow it and thus overall sales would remain higher even with some people leaving. If people are enjoying themselves with the xpac by all means let them, but noone can tell me running a certain instance hundreds of times is actually fun. Basically it's work and requires dedication. People are willing to put up this effort but once they realise it's all for nothing whenever Blizzard sees fit, they will falter and lose interest.
I also believe what the other guy said about 'same old stuff' is important in this context. I'm not against addons as such, yes, there weren't any blood elves, flying mounts or the Underworld, but basically it's about as new to us as UD/IF were three years before. It's still the same cycle. I'm a D2 vet and when I began playing WoW I was actually surprised at the lack of content and complexity. I figured it was supposedly to make it more mainstream compliant, but now with the xpac it seems obvious to me they simply withheld sockets/jewels to justify their limited addon content and it wouldn't surprise me if the next xpac contains runes or some other D2 features (along with more uber items, lvl cap 80 etc).
So, in terms of xpac philosophy; Yes, they've made substantial profits with TBC, but Blizzard used to be considered the good guys whereas SOE/EA was baaad. But with the recent addon I believe they've gone a long way in undermining this reputation and alienating some of their most loyal playerbase.
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I believe your logic is pretty flawed or just plain based on your personal opinion only. Your list is a poor example of misinformation and an attempt to troll. I mean by your logic, kids are the only gold sellers and they are the real thing thats wrong with the game. I hate to tell you, kids don't just play WoW, i've had bad encounters with them in EQ, EQ II, SWG, COH/COV, Lineage, Lineage II, Guildwars, etc and its actually been much easier to deal with them in WoW than any of the other games (except for EQ II, they have similar tools). As I listed above, there are ways to deal with the problem kiddies, ignore works well, and if that doesn't do it, contact their guild leaders, using the world of warcraft armory, there is a link right on the main WoW website.
As far as gold sellers/spammers, I think the real fact is that most gold seller sites are located outside of the contienental United States, in countries like China and Korea, which makes them much harder to prosecute. At least Blizzard is making an effort, the same can't be said for some of the other MMO games ( and i'm not saying there aren't other working on the problem too). I personally followed the links to a couple of the ones that used to spam WoW and EQ II, they were all Chinese websites. I won't list the two here, but i'm sure you know which ones i'm talking about. So please, don't confuse the issues. If you don't like the game, fine, don't play, but don't exaggerate and start rumors based on your personal feelings without checking the facts. You like to throw around figures, the problem is, your figures and facts are just plain WRONG.
Oh it was yes SOE that started the cost effects expansions, but it wasn't SWG , it was with Everquest 1 & 2.
But not to get off topic. Your right that there is maybe some implication of what that fee is for. I think if they were to offically comment they would say the fee covers the cost to run teh servers, web site and basic service. As a bought 1 time fee expansion with additional content the fee is to recover teh cost of development of the Doders wages and resources used to develop and test the expasion.
Which I know we have come to the point of saying BC is needed to play End game content, But still optional I have a few guildmates taht cause they are highschool students haven't bought the BC and play the game up to lvl 60 just fine.
To be honest even Free to play games such as Anarcy On-line Charge a fee for there new Expansions, I think pretty much all On-line games do. I think ther eis a real cost to wadges and such for coders to write direct model and creative staff to create dialogs of NPS and mini stories.
Rip off? nah ... the fee is small.. now on teh othe rhand if you have to pay more per month to have TBC yes that would be a rip off.
and it is optional... to lvl 60 anyway, We haev to wait and see what Blizzard does now from this point on. Do they Take teh Sony school of thought or the NC soft school of thought? as in.. AO when the next exp comes out they give all members free access to teh old expansion and only charge for the ne wone. Or like sony say ...$$$$$$ buy each exp muhahahahha and Like it !!!! lol
lets see where they go with there exp philosophy.
I call it rip off because it cost some 35€ here at release, the usual price for an xpac is 25€. Mind you it's not a standalone expansion and doesn't come with a free month like the original either, so the content alone doesn't really justify those extra 10€ (that's usually what the 25 are for). Of course Blizzard are free to charge whatever they want for an xpac, but why did they get away with this? Because they knew for well that leaving customers without a choice (no TBC free realms, uberitems totally pawning classic players) the majority would swallow it and thus overall sales would remain higher even with some people leaving. If people are enjoying themselves with the xpac by all means let them, but noone can tell me running a certain instance hundreds of times is actually fun. Basically it's work and requires dedication. People are willing to put up this effort but once they realise it's all for nothing whenever Blizzard sees fit, they will falter and lose interest.
I also believe what the other guy said about 'same old stuff' is important in this context. I'm not against addons as such, yes, there weren't any blood elves, flying mounts or the Underworld, but basically it's about as new to us as UD/IF were three years before. It's still the same cycle. I'm a D2 vet and when I began playing WoW I was actually surprised at the lack of content and complexity. I figured it was supposedly to make it more mainstream compliant, but now with the xpac it seems obvious to me they simply withheld sockets/jewels to justify their limited addon content and it wouldn't surprise me if the next xpac contains runes or some other D2 features (along with more uber items, lvl cap 80 etc).
So, in terms of xpac philosophy; Yes, they've made substantial profits with TBC, but Blizzard used to be considered the good guys whereas SOE/EA was baaad. But with the recent addon I believe they've gone a long way in undermining this reputation and alienating some of their most loyal playerbase.
Ok first i have to say here in the US, the expansion pack cost the same as all other companies expansion packs including EQ II and SWG. The content for the cost was much better than the last two offerings from SoE for both of the games i mentioned before and it was way more complete at launch then Echoes of Faydwer and The Trials of Obi Wan, the latter of which, SoE was forced to refund players money for.
Ok with that much said I don't want this to sound wrong or insulting, so please don't take it that way. You say you're a veteran D2 player? How can you honestly judge WoW as lacking content and complexity? D2 didn't take exactly a brain surgeon to play. You picked a class, and hacked your way to the end, picking up a lot of junk loot as you went along (and yes, i played it and the expansion too). I mean you're trying to compare D2 to World of Warcraft. Its not World of Diablo 2, its based on the Warcraft World, so when you compare it to the Warcraft games, its very complex and has a HUGE amount of content in comparison. You're trying to compare apples to oranges, while both are fruit, you just can't compare the two fairly.
Sucks I got to 60 in 5 days and nothing to do....
SO what does Blizz do... Make a great expansion...NOT a total CLuster **** full game engine revamp like SWG.... NOT make WOW2 like what they did with everCAMP and everCAMP 2
and guess what boys and girls... Blizz is patching, bug fixing, troubleshooting. every week... EVERY WEEK
Not like in RF online where we get a update once a year... with bug fixes.. Not like EVERCAMP games that charge you $10 per expansion every 3 weeks......
Not like free games that charge you $15 for the expansion and then most of the new Items you have to BUY with rl money on there game store anyway...
Nope.. they made "expanded" the exisiting world... added outlands.. 10 more levels.. 1000's of new Weapons items and gear An entire new Profession totally optional. FLYING mounts... new PVP battle grounds. 2 new races.
without altering the orginal game play. Cause ok Look maybe you can get better at higher level then in RAIDs...
You can still raid.. just cause yoru "guild" gets mad and stomps its feet away or worse yet DONT need the rest of you to solo in outland...
you cant be mad at Blizz for that, be mad at those that left your guild.
You cant have it both ways.. you cant ask for more, then get it and say...NO NO not more..just different...
You cant win as a company in this...cause had they done what those few that are now mad wanted, then FAR more would be like..wtf did they add ? then it would have been a rip off..
OK look you were top dog...best of the best...took you 3 years raiding to get that shoulder and weapons...
Now there is better stuff... and your angry... Wake up...enjoy the fact that there IS more to do...
and if you still cant get over it... fine... dont sub.. dont play. and FFS dont post yoru elitist garbage slandering a game that is better then anything currently on the market.
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It's fine, no offense taken. But I think you misunderstood what I referred to as the complexity of D2. It really wasn't in the slashing sense but in terms of items. D2/LoD items were far more varied than WoW's ever were (random generated stats, 'raw' items, sockets, runes/runewords, gems), not to mention the Horadic Cube with which one could upgrade items, delete/mold socket entries etc.. In D2 not everyone had a certain chance of getting this or that item either. Finding the really rare stuff was tough and relied a lot on trade. In WoW otoh you're basically guranteeed to get item X if you run say Monastery a certain amount of times. Of course the high end stuff does have miserable drop rates too, but why even bother? Just take your char to pvp and you can even choose specifically what you get and further more it'll be just like what all the others obtained. There's hardly any variety or random stats in high end stuff. Yes, WoW has enchanting and crafting like every other 'good' mmo, and now even gems and sockets, but what I meant was considering that Blizzard had made D2, I actually expected more of them in this regard and not to withhold these ideas for further expansions.
As for expansion costs, yeah, that's possible. In Europe the addon cost 35€ compared to the usual amount of 25€. But I'm not sure how flattering it is being compared to SOE as offering more for one's money's worth. I mean that $ in $OE doesn't come from nowhere after all. Back when mmo subscription fees were first introduced they were meant to cover three things; server maintenance, cheat protection and (interestingly) development of further content. So, let's see now, server maintenance, ok fine they're running (but battlenet is free to this day, so can't really be that expensive and require 15$ from each player), cheat protection (there are about as many bots running around in WoW as in D2), content expansion ("sweet, we'll offer purchasable xpacs and charge them twice!" "lol, twice shortsighted dumbass!" "muahahaha"). SOE were the forerunners in this regard and they really never respected anything. They even meant to introduce (or have done so, dunno) purchasable gold and equip for real money! True, there is demand for this sort of service but the majority of players still oppose it. But oh well, if SOE does it, everyone might aswell and that makes it okay I guess? Personally I don't think so, but people have come to terms with this sort of marketing and it hardly seems to bother anyone anymore.
Anyway, it's really not just about those 10€ but rather the fact they didn't leave people with a choice. Normally one could count on Blizzard allowing players to play the game as they wanted to and the addons were merely that -addons, for people who got sick of the old content and one was persuaded through content not blackmail to switch. It was this difference imho why Blizzard stood in higher regard than ie. SOE for instance. But so much for that, eh?
Inspite of all my citicism I do in fact like MMO's, but never let it be said we're not getting robbed for our money here.