I don't wanna go into this SOE blablabla thing again.
What i do want to say is that in my opinion/belief he was right about the changes made in a game.It clearly states in mmorpg's that i have played that the GAMEPLAY may change during your online gametime.It clearly goes for the game itself as i enterprid it.A lot of people complain about changes that cause bugs/lag/nerfs etc.I think the "gameplay may change" is just a back-up for the developers.The explanation you give for the "gameplay may change" to me looks verry odd to say the least.
Meh, I don't think that ESRB thing has to do with what you think it does. It refers more to what he said and things like lag.
What you are getting at, I think, is the TOS(Terms of Service) that every MMO out makes you click on Accept before you play. Most, if not all TOS' clearly state(paraphrased), "We reserve the right to do wtf ever we want whentf ever we want. If that is cool with you send us your money and click Accept."
Excuse me, this wall over here looks like it has fewer dents for me to bang my head into, brb.
Indeed that is what i meant the TOS.Wich basically states the samething.That they can change both the game/software and the eulacompletely without you having the right to moan about it.
Actually, I do have a right to "moan" about it.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Hmm... This talk of the Terms of Service makes me wonder something... I guess we'd have to see an official copy of the SWG TOS prior to all the shit going down but... If the SWG ToS did, in fact, state that they reserve the right to do what they want when they want -- does that mean that the arguement "SOE LIED" doesn't hold water? Cause, they told you when you clicked Accept that they could change things at anytime, regardless of what you want, regardless of what they tell you... Hmm...
That may be the case. It still doesn't change the fact that respecting your customers means being open and honest with them. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
That may be the case. It still doesn't change the fact that respecting your customers means being open and honest with them. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
Fair enough. Just attempting to throw more lighter fluid around...
ehhhhh and i was looking forward to this game... oh well, soe is getting better, they did alot for mxo... its just too bad swg, a great game, had to be soe's guinea pig for changing combat
Hmm... This talk of the Terms of Service makes me wonder something... I guess we'd have to see an official copy of the SWG TOS prior to all the shit going down but... If the SWG ToS did, in fact, state that they reserve the right to do what they want when they want -- does that mean that the arguement "SOE LIED" doesn't hold water? Cause, they told you when you clicked Accept that they could change things at anytime, regardless of what you want, regardless of what they tell you... Hmm...
Well they didn't say anything bout the NGE basically.At least not that it wouldmake SUCH a change.SO that's why the vets felt "lied to" i guess.Just because SOE/lucasarts had the right doesn't meant it was right to do it.
Btw thx for calling me "ass and cocky" there Ginaz mate...
Hmm... This talk of the Terms of Service makes me wonder something... I guess we'd have to see an official copy of the SWG TOS prior to all the shit going down but... If the SWG ToS did, in fact, state that they reserve the right to do what they want when they want -- does that mean that the arguement "SOE LIED" doesn't hold water? Cause, they told you when you clicked Accept that they could change things at anytime, regardless of what you want, regardless of what they tell you... Hmm...
Well they didn't say anything bout the NGE basically.At least not that it wouldmake SUCH a change.SO that's why the vets felt "lied to" i guess.Just because SOE/lucasarts had the right doesn't meant it was right to do it.
Btw thx for calling me "ass and cocky" there mate...
Sorry about that. Looking back on your post you were neither. Its just I'm tired of seeing people misuse the esrb rating to somehow justify being apologists for soe.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
K....just like it to be keptin a nice manner there .Here's one on me then .
Yeah soz there kovah...i put the post then looked again and htought mmm maybe better edit before kovah thinks i meant him.Ah well drink one with us then.....
Hmm... This talk of the Terms of Service makes me wonder something... I guess we'd have to see an official copy of the SWG TOS prior to all the shit going down but... If the SWG ToS did, in fact, state that they reserve the right to do what they want when they want -- does that mean that the arguement "SOE LIED" doesn't hold water? Cause, they told you when you clicked Accept that they could change things at anytime, regardless of what you want, regardless of what they tell you... Hmm...
All the ToS typically say that and it's why you just laugh off the people who say SOE lied -- because of that and the fact that SOE was refunding people for buying Trials of Obi-Wan with the impression that they were going to play pre-nge. SOE did nothing wrong legally but they did tick off a lot of customers.
I really thought this thread would be dead by now, but no, people still debating over this in your face obvious topic. It's quite simple folks, you either play the game cause it is fun or you don't cause you hate SOE. So what exactly haven't both sides proven that we now have 59 pages of what I just got done pointing out. If you don't want to play the game cause SOE is involved, then don't. We don't need to hear how SWG ruined your life cause it was dramatically altered causing you to have an emotional breakdown resulting in a 3 year grudge and anti SOE lifestyle. The reason I can say this is because I played SWG from day one and went through that whole ordeal, but like most grown ups, I get over lifes little bumps in the road. Think about it, most of the anti SOE people are ex-SWG veterans and to think that they can't let go of the past 3 years down the road really amazes me. Sure, you spent $200 on the game and expansions and another $300 in monthly fees. I agree, $500 is a lot of money to have invested in something. Well, guess what, every time you log into an MMO, doesn't it usually say game experience may change? Maybe because MMO's are constantly changing? So technically, your $500 paid for 2-3 years of MMO entertainment and not a lifetime guarantee that you'll remain completely satisfied. Let me put into prespective just how childish this really is. For example, the cost to go to a movie in my area is $7.00, so lets say instead of playing MMO's I went to a movie once a month. So, for 2 hours of entertainment each month for 24 months, I'm closing in on $200. If for some reason I don't like the movies coming out anymore, I can stop going to the theatre. It's not the movie directors, actors / actresses or producers responsibility to make movies that specifically satisfy my likes. Which is why I'm given the choice to either paying to watch it or sitting at home and do nothing. The best part about this MMO experience though, is you can play it 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Your not limited to 2 hours of entertainment each month. So, MMO's are extremely cheap entertainment for your buck, so excuse me when I say, get a @!#$ing clue already and get over your SWG loss and stop expecting to be compensated for something you agreed to pay for as long as you were satisfied. Your not being charged for it anymore, so we don't need to hear your anti SOE rants cause they are pointless, as anything SOE has done to hurt you, countless other corporations around the world have probably done worse.
Theres a few things wrong with what you've written.
2. Your statement about changes to gameplay relates to the esrb rating system. Meaning, that playing a multi player game alone will have a different rating (say Teen) then it will when you play it with other (say Adult Only). Thats because when you interact with others people can be exposed to all sorts of stuff like foul language, sexism, racism etc. THATS what "game play may change" means.
Just to clarify you on this, I will take the time to write down exactly what is stated in SOE's MMO products...
EULA
2. To play the Game, you must (a) purchase or receive through an SOE-authorized promotional offer the Game CD-ROM(s) or applicable files which we may make available for direct download, which includes software required for the Game, (b) have a fully paid Account, and (c) have atleast the minimum system requirements to operate the Game and an Internet connection to access your Account. In addition to any fees described herein, you are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, service and other costs you incur to access your Account. Neither this Agreement nor your Account entitles you to any subsequent releases of the Software, nor to any expansion packs or similar ancillary products, without paying applicable charges. You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play theGame may change over time and you may need to upgrade your system to play the Game. Game experience may change during online play.
So, there you have it, right out of the back of a game manual, readily available to everyone who purchased the game. Therefor, what I say is true and my point will always stand... "The consumer isn't always right, but it's best to let them think they are."
I really thought this thread would be dead by now, but no, people still debating over this in your face obvious topic. It's quite simple folks, you either play the game cause it is fun or you don't cause you hate SOE. So what exactly haven't both sides proven that we now have 59 pages of what I just got done pointing out. If you don't want to play the game cause SOE is involved, then don't. We don't need to hear how SWG ruined your life cause it was dramatically altered causing you to have an emotional breakdown resulting in a 3 year grudge and anti SOE lifestyle. The reason I can say this is because I played SWG from day one and went through that whole ordeal, but like most grown ups, I get over lifes little bumps in the road. Think about it, most of the anti SOE people are ex-SWG veterans and to think that they can't let go of the past 3 years down the road really amazes me. Sure, you spent $200 on the game and expansions and another $300 in monthly fees. I agree, $500 is a lot of money to have invested in something. Well, guess what, every time you log into an MMO, doesn't it usually say game experience may change? Maybe because MMO's are constantly changing? So technically, your $500 paid for 2-3 years of MMO entertainment and not a lifetime guarantee that you'll remain completely satisfied. Let me put into prespective just how childish this really is. For example, the cost to go to a movie in my area is $7.00, so lets say instead of playing MMO's I went to a movie once a month. So, for 2 hours of entertainment each month for 24 months, I'm closing in on $200. If for some reason I don't like the movies coming out anymore, I can stop going to the theatre. It's not the movie directors, actors / actresses or producers responsibility to make movies that specifically satisfy my likes. Which is why I'm given the choice to either paying to watch it or sitting at home and do nothing. The best part about this MMO experience though, is you can play it 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Your not limited to 2 hours of entertainment each month. So, MMO's are extremely cheap entertainment for your buck, so excuse me when I say, get a @!#$ing clue already and get over your SWG loss and stop expecting to be compensated for something you agreed to pay for as long as you were satisfied. Your not being charged for it anymore, so we don't need to hear your anti SOE rants cause they are pointless, as anything SOE has done to hurt you, countless other corporations around the world have probably done worse.
Theres a few things wrong with what you've written.
2. Your statement about changes to gameplay relates to the esrb rating system. Meaning, that playing a multi player game alone will have a different rating (say Teen) then it will when you play it with other (say Adult Only). Thats because when you interact with others people can be exposed to all sorts of stuff like foul language, sexism, racism etc. THATS what "game play may change" means.
Just to clarify you on this, I will take the time to write down exactly what is stated in SOE's MMO products...
EULA
2. To play the Game, you must (a) purchase or receive through an SOE-authorized promotional offer the Game CD-ROM(s) or applicable files which we may make available for direct download, which includes software required for the Game, (b) have a fully paid Account, and (c) have atleast the minimum system requirements to operate the Game and an Internet connection to access your Account. In addition to any fees described herein, you are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, service and other costs you incur to access your Account. Neither this Agreement nor your Account entitles you to any subsequent releases of the Software, nor to any expansion packs or similar ancillary products, without paying applicable charges. You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play the Game may change over time and you may need to upgrade your system to play the Game. Game experience may change during online play.
So, there you have it, right out of the back of a game manual, readily available to everyone who purchased the game. Therefor, what I say is true and my point will always stand... "The consumer isn't always right, but it's best to let them think they are."
Congrats on finding that. How long did it take you to find it? Still, thats taken directly from the esrb rating and means exactly the same thing. Notice the "online" part? So yeah, still means what I said it means.
Edit: I notice you removed my other points. I guess you don't care to discuss them.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Hehe now that flakes is handing out drinks, here's my two cents on FLS working with SOE.
It's not going to stop me from trying this game. I've been looking forward to some good, old-fashioned (literally) naval combat. I'm a huge fan of the Patrick O'Brian series of novels, I love sailing and the sea in general, and the possibility of jumping into the virtual skin of a British naval officer is really exciting to me.
Yes I was a little worried by the announcement, as I suffered through the Vanguard mess. But FLS looks to be in much better shape than Sigil was. The fact that they've pushed back the release instead of launching 2 months early (well really, we all know VG was more like 14 months early) says a lot to me about their commitment to a quality game.
There is a huge difference between "Game experience may change" and "Game may change". We got the later with the NGE. When I logged in after the NGE, I was no longer playing the same game or even a modified experience of the same game...it was a whole new game.
I always liked the car analogy. You take your Hummer into the shop to get modified and get back a Saturn Ion. Yea..they are both vehicles, but JESUS!
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go.
No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go. No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go. No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go. No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go. No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
Only SOE knows the details but I would imagine that setting up the network, servers, hiring people to staff and monitor it is not free or cheap. If the game goes bust, SOE is left holding the bag.
Plus I would think there is some development work to integrate with the station launcher, set up the web character website, etc.
Servers are being handled by FLS. Billing ,marketing and customer service will be handled through SOE as well as the launcher. That's it. If anyone is familiar with Platform Publishing you would know it is SOE's new way to mass market independent studios games and have no control over the game content whatsoever. A'la God's and Heroes and Vanguard(which went horribly wrong, but the game rocks still).
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go. No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
Only SOE knows the details but I would imagine that setting up the network, servers, hiring people to staff and monitor it is not free or cheap. If the game goes bust, SOE is left holding the bag.
Plus I would think there is some development work to integrate with the station launcher, set up the web character website, etc.
So SOE has (as in present time) set up the network, servers, hired people(?) without gotten a release date from FLS. You saying that hey now we are done where our game? That would be like the pizza guy showed up without me ordering it in first place.
And uhm they get their fair share of the subrevenue just to do that in the end.
I ask again what investment are you talking about?
Servers are being handled by FLS. Billing ,marketing and customer service will be handled through SOE as well as the launcher. That's it. If anyone is familiar with Platform Publishing you would know it is SOE's new way to mass market independent studios games and have no control over the game content whatsoever. A'la God's and Heroes and Vanguard(which went horribly wrong, but the game rocks still).
Actually CS is going to be in FLS's hands:
MPOGD: Congratulations on finalizing this deal! I know that it’s been in the works for awhile. Can you give us general details of SOE’s involvement?
Williams: Sure. We’ve handed over the delivery pieces to SOE, which are retail distribution, localization, marketing, billing, and the launcher. We handle building the game, running the game (the actual servers), community management, and customer support.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
Only SOE knows the details but I would imagine that setting up the network, servers, hiring people to staff and monitor it is not free or cheap. If the game goes bust, SOE is left holding the bag.
Plus I would think there is some development work to integrate with the station launcher, set up the web character website, etc.
So SOE has (as in present time) set up the network, servers, hired people(?) without gotten a release date from FLS. You saying that hey now we are done where our game? That would be like the pizza guy showed up without me ordering it in first place.
And uhm they get their fair share of the subrevenue just to do that in the end.
I ask again what investment are you talking about?
Sorry to disagree here, but Sony isn't running our servers. They're not buying the hardware, setting up the network, hiring staff to monitor it, or anything else. We're running our own servers, both in the US and in Europe (the areas where SOE has distribution rights). And just because there hasn't been an announcment to the public doesn't mean that FLS and SOE haven't been discussing the release date! It's not like you can run a marketing campaign without knowing the target release date.
Of course, this being software, it's possible that the release date will slip. But Sony would much rather we slipped and released a solid game than release before we're ready and tank. Sigil (and I repeat for the people who keep saying otherwise, SIGIL) picked the release date for Vanguard. Sony wasn't happy about it, because they knew the game wasn't ready. But Sigil controlled the release date and chose to ship because they were broke. Sony has been doing their best to pick up the pieces from that fiasco, but they have no interest in our following Vanguard's lead.
Much as it might surprise some people to hear it, Sony would actually prefer to have a successful game and make money than not. I know, I know, it's hard to believe that a company might want to make money instead of go broke, but it's true.
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Meh, I don't think that ESRB thing has to do with what you think it does. It refers more to what he said and things like lag.
What you are getting at, I think, is the TOS(Terms of Service) that every MMO out makes you click on Accept before you play. Most, if not all TOS' clearly state(paraphrased), "We reserve the right to do wtf ever we want whentf ever we want. If that is cool with you send us your money and click Accept."
Excuse me, this wall over here looks like it has fewer dents for me to bang my head into, brb.
Indeed that is what i meant the TOS.Wich basically states the samething.That they can change both the game/software and the eulacompletely without you having the right to moan about it.
Actually, I do have a right to "moan" about it.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
That may be the case. It still doesn't change the fact that respecting your customers means being open and honest with them. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Fair enough. Just attempting to throw more lighter fluid around...
ehhhhh and i was looking forward to this game... oh well, soe is getting better, they did alot for mxo... its just too bad swg, a great game, had to be soe's guinea pig for changing combat
Well they didn't say anything bout the NGE basically.At least not that it wouldmake SUCH a change.SO that's why the vets felt "lied to" i guess.Just because SOE/lucasarts had the right doesn't meant it was right to do it.
Btw thx for calling me "ass and cocky" there Ginaz mate...
HEY!!! I never did no such ting der matey! (I know, wasn't aimed at me but you qouted me then typed that...)
Btw thx for calling me "ass and cocky" there mate...
Sorry about that. Looking back on your post you were neither. Its just I'm tired of seeing people misuse the esrb rating to somehow justify being apologists for soe.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
K....just like it to be keptin a nice manner there
.Here's one on me then 
.
Yeah soz there kovah...i put the post then looked again and htought mmm maybe better edit before kovah thinks i meant him.Ah well drink one with us then.....
All the ToS typically say that and it's why you just laugh off the people who say SOE lied -- because of that and the fact that SOE was refunding people for buying Trials of Obi-Wan with the impression that they were going to play pre-nge. SOE did nothing wrong legally but they did tick off a lot of customers.
2. Your statement about changes to gameplay relates to the esrb rating system. Meaning, that playing a multi player game alone will have a different rating (say Teen) then it will when you play it with other (say Adult Only). Thats because when you interact with others people can be exposed to all sorts of stuff like foul language, sexism, racism etc. THATS what "game play may change" means.
Just to clarify you on this, I will take the time to write down exactly what is stated in SOE's MMO products...
EULA
2. To play the Game, you must (a) purchase or receive through an SOE-authorized promotional offer the Game CD-ROM(s) or applicable files which we may make available for direct download, which includes software required for the Game, (b) have a fully paid Account, and (c) have atleast the minimum system requirements to operate the Game and an Internet connection to access your Account. In addition to any fees described herein, you are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, service and other costs you incur to access your Account. Neither this Agreement nor your Account entitles you to any subsequent releases of the Software, nor to any expansion packs or similar ancillary products, without paying applicable charges. You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play the Game may change over time and you may need to upgrade your system to play the Game. Game experience may change during online play.
So, there you have it, right out of the back of a game manual, readily available to everyone who purchased the game. Therefor, what I say is true and my point will always stand... "The consumer isn't always right, but it's best to let them think they are."
Yep that's the one i meant.....
2. Your statement about changes to gameplay relates to the esrb rating system. Meaning, that playing a multi player game alone will have a different rating (say Teen) then it will when you play it with other (say Adult Only). Thats because when you interact with others people can be exposed to all sorts of stuff like foul language, sexism, racism etc. THATS what "game play may change" means.
Just to clarify you on this, I will take the time to write down exactly what is stated in SOE's MMO products...
EULA
2. To play the Game, you must (a) purchase or receive through an SOE-authorized promotional offer the Game CD-ROM(s) or applicable files which we may make available for direct download, which includes software required for the Game, (b) have a fully paid Account, and (c) have atleast the minimum system requirements to operate the Game and an Internet connection to access your Account. In addition to any fees described herein, you are responsible for paying all applicable taxes and for all hardware, software, service and other costs you incur to access your Account. Neither this Agreement nor your Account entitles you to any subsequent releases of the Software, nor to any expansion packs or similar ancillary products, without paying applicable charges. You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play the Game may change over time and you may need to upgrade your system to play the Game. Game experience may change during online play.
So, there you have it, right out of the back of a game manual, readily available to everyone who purchased the game. Therefor, what I say is true and my point will always stand... "The consumer isn't always right, but it's best to let them think they are."
Congrats on finding that. How long did it take you to find it? Still, thats taken directly from the esrb rating and means exactly the same thing. Notice the "online" part? So yeah, still means what I said it means.
Edit: I notice you removed my other points. I guess you don't care to discuss them.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Hehe now that flakes is handing out drinks, here's my two cents on FLS working with SOE.
It's not going to stop me from trying this game. I've been looking forward to some good, old-fashioned (literally) naval combat. I'm a huge fan of the Patrick O'Brian series of novels, I love sailing and the sea in general, and the possibility of jumping into the virtual skin of a British naval officer is really exciting to me.
Yes I was a little worried by the announcement, as I suffered through the Vanguard mess. But FLS looks to be in much better shape than Sigil was. The fact that they've pushed back the release instead of launching 2 months early (well really, we all know VG was more like 14 months early) says a lot to me about their commitment to a quality game.
Here you go
heh..
There is a huge difference between "Game experience may change" and "Game may change". We got the later with the NGE. When I logged in after the NGE, I was no longer playing the same game or even a modified experience of the same game...it was a whole new game.
I always liked the car analogy. You take your Hummer into the shop to get modified and get back a Saturn Ion. Yea..they are both vehicles, but JESUS!
Yeah, imagine the bill on that one. That is some work done.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Not sure if people are more upset over the NGE or the fact that SOE rolls out games before they are ready. I will say this. If they roll out this game before it is polished it will fail. No one is going to wait for them to fix it later. Not going to happen ever again. Take the up front hit to the bottom line and get the game right or don't release it. If it is released before it's time we will call it out as such and to the parking lot you will go.
No BS about "MMOs are never finished." That does not cut it.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
Don't forget your tin foil hats!
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
Only SOE knows the details but I would imagine that setting up the network, servers, hiring people to staff and monitor it is not free or cheap. If the game goes bust, SOE is left holding the bag.
Plus I would think there is some development work to integrate with the station launcher, set up the web character website, etc.
Servers are being handled by FLS. Billing ,marketing and customer service will be handled through SOE as well as the launcher. That's it. If anyone is familiar with Platform Publishing you would know it is SOE's new way to mass market independent studios games and have no control over the game content whatsoever. A'la God's and Heroes and Vanguard(which went horribly wrong, but the game rocks still).
SOE has no control over setting the release date for the game. They also don't have control to change any part of the game, so if something like the NGE happens, it is FLS's mess up, and not SOE.
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
Only SOE knows the details but I would imagine that setting up the network, servers, hiring people to staff and monitor it is not free or cheap. If the game goes bust, SOE is left holding the bag.
Plus I would think there is some development work to integrate with the station launcher, set up the web character website, etc.
So SOE has (as in present time) set up the network, servers, hired people(?) without gotten a release date from FLS. You saying that hey now we are done where our game? That would be like the pizza guy showed up without me ordering it in first place.
And uhm they get their fair share of the subrevenue just to do that in the end.
I ask again what investment are you talking about?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
MPOGD: Congratulations on finalizing this deal! I know that it’s been in the works for awhile. Can you give us general details of SOE’s involvement?
Williams: Sure. We’ve handed over the delivery pieces to SOE, which are retail distribution, localization, marketing, billing, and the launcher. We handle building the game, running the game (the actual servers), community management, and customer support.
From this article: http://mpogd.com/news/?ID=2797
Make no mistake. SOE controls the release date and it will be according to getting their return on investment. Don't be confused that this is an SOE game. FL may be a good set of guys and made a good product but this is an SOE game now, not FL. SOE.
What investment is that?
Only SOE knows the details but I would imagine that setting up the network, servers, hiring people to staff and monitor it is not free or cheap. If the game goes bust, SOE is left holding the bag.
Plus I would think there is some development work to integrate with the station launcher, set up the web character website, etc.
So SOE has (as in present time) set up the network, servers, hired people(?) without gotten a release date from FLS. You saying that hey now we are done where our game? That would be like the pizza guy showed up without me ordering it in first place.
And uhm they get their fair share of the subrevenue just to do that in the end.
I ask again what investment are you talking about?
Sorry to disagree here, but Sony isn't running our servers. They're not buying the hardware, setting up the network, hiring staff to monitor it, or anything else. We're running our own servers, both in the US and in Europe (the areas where SOE has distribution rights). And just because there hasn't been an announcment to the public doesn't mean that FLS and SOE haven't been discussing the release date! It's not like you can run a marketing campaign without knowing the target release date.
Of course, this being software, it's possible that the release date will slip. But Sony would much rather we slipped and released a solid game than release before we're ready and tank. Sigil (and I repeat for the people who keep saying otherwise, SIGIL) picked the release date for Vanguard. Sony wasn't happy about it, because they knew the game wasn't ready. But Sigil controlled the release date and chose to ship because they were broke. Sony has been doing their best to pick up the pieces from that fiasco, but they have no interest in our following Vanguard's lead.
Much as it might surprise some people to hear it, Sony would actually prefer to have a successful game and make money than not. I know, I know, it's hard to believe that a company might want to make money instead of go broke, but it's true.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM