Not gonna bother reading past the first 7-8 tortuous pages of this thread. However, I would like to state quite simply that anyone spewing hate for SOE while simultaneously looking forward to a game from Funcom is a f*cking moron. That is all.
Let me clear something up for some of you that are confused. The people who are upset about the SOE deal understand that SOE is only going to be handling billing, advertising, distribution, etc. Whatever...the Vanguard guys said the exact same thing. The problem we have is that we don't want to play a game that benefits SOE financially in any way. Even if they were only making a nickel off of my monthly subscription I wouldn't play. So as much as I was looking forward to this game I won't be buying it. Neither will many other people who have been burned by SOE.
Grats? You and your group make up a very slight % of the population and i doubt many of the responses here refer to your outlook. I'm actually pretty sure they addressed your crowd in the press release saying "Such is life. We dont care. " *waves* Sorry, but i think the hippy mentality went out the window some # of decades ago.
You go on sticking to the man, while i address the people who may actually play the game and are worried that Vanguard was the litmus test for SOE being a publisher.
At the end of the Day SOE contributes a lot more to the Industry than a bunch of whining "SWG SOE Haters", you just need to grow up a little and move on. And acknowledge what SONY Online Entertainment contributes yes yes thats right.
Come on Sparky.. name ONE thing worth a damn.
Want just one or several? Cause off the top of my head, Station Access rings a bell. Cause right now, you have like 6 games with 2 more on the way to be added to the list with a current monthly price tag of what 2 games would cost. Can't say if the price will stay the same or go up, but how can you go wrong with 8 games for the price of 2 or slightly more then 2?
Yet none of those games are worth paying their normal access fees for. The highest rate of Station Access fees are actually paid by EQ people who want extra character slots.
But how is that good again? Paying more to play 6 sucktastic games? It costs more than 2 GOOD games.
Where's the one thing worth a damn again? Really.. I'm dying to hear.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Wow, Judging by your picture alone i am guessing your not entirely unbiased here. I know it may be unconceivable to you, but some people may enjoy some SOE games. They may not have a track record to amaze the ages, but patrolling forums like a detective on speed in search of posts in which its possible to bash SOE isn't a viable hobby.
This game hasn't even been released. Give it a go, if you feel it is terrible, then don't play it. However from reading the website, and checking the development it seems like it is going to be a beefed up voyage century with much more gameplay and rp possibility. There is no need to flame, SOE isn't buying the game out and developing it. They are just publishing are they not?
Guaranteed this thread will go back and forth between people who feel personally violated deep down for the way SWG was handled, Vanguard ETC.. But until this game is release then why the flame?
And so here we all are. Such tactics have not been effective for the last, what, two years now. We can keep bashing each other, or go along that SOE has done all it can and not get anywhere closer to a solution.
We still have the "stigma" of SOE going around and affecting its affiliates, both here and off-site.
What other methods can be employed to help remove the "stigma"?
I have come up with just some generalized ideas to help brainstorm. Don't like them, fine, come up with something better.
They have been very effective, but again you seem to think that because they are not what *you* want to see they have failed. This self centric view is just another example of the childishness you have repeatedly demonstrated in this thread.
Did you not state that SOE's customer base was at about 620,000 during 2006?
And I proved that in 2005, SOE's customer base was over 800,000.
So SOE has become very effective in the last year to bring its customer base to pre-2005?
Yes or No
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Thank you for the time you took to reply to me Rick , what you propose is a sound idea and I will give PotBS ago hehehe after all I've become somewhat of an expert getting myself out of SOE's ..umm...hold on and not let go habits as regards to billing and anyone who will take the time to read my concerns and defend their product as well as you and the Dev team have deserves a fair go . Good on ya Mate
Did you not state that SOE's customer base was at about 620,000 during 2006?
And I proved that in 2005, SOE's customer base was over 800,000.
So SOE has become very effective in the last year to bring its customer base to pre-2005?
Yes or No
If your going to quote numbers try to make at least minimal effort to get them right. Sony’s 2005 annual report has SOE subscriber base at 680K, this is unchanged in the 2006 annual report.
Let me clear something up for some of you that are confused. The people who are upset about the SOE deal understand that SOE is only going to be handling billing, advertising, distribution, etc. Whatever...the Vanguard guys said the exact same thing. The problem we have is that we don't want to play a game that benefits SOE financially in any way. Even if they were only making a nickel off of my monthly subscription I wouldn't play. So as much as I was looking forward to this game I won't be buying it. Neither will many other people who have been burned by SOE.
So, given the hypothetical situation that SOE becomes involved with every single console, PC, handheld, etc game at some point in the future, does that mean you would simply give up gaming?
Yes yes, absurd hypothetical situation but still...
I just don't understand the line of thinking. Yes, I can see not wanting to give them your money but to what end? SOE isn't going away. Online gaming is fun. If you refuse to ever play a game that SOE is involved in you are seriously limiting your own possible enjoyment. I would understand your position more if you said, "I have no intention of giving SOE any money but if I play the Open Beta for PotBS and it's a fawk ton of fun then I might change my mind."
Why limit your own enjoyment? No, you not giving SOE any of your money will hardly be noticed and all of your bad press is still press for them which = MORE money for them... WTG?
So, given the hypothetical situation that SOE becomes involved with every single console, PC, handheld, etc game at some point in the future, does that mean you would simply give up gaming? Yes yes, absurd hypothetical situation but still... I just don't understand the line of thinking. Yes, I can see not wanting to give them your money but to what end? SOE isn't going away. Online gaming is fun. If you refuse to ever play a game that SOE is involved in you are seriously limiting your own possible enjoyment. I would understand your position more if you said, "I have no intention of giving SOE any money but if I play the Open Beta for PotBS and it's a fawk ton of fun then I might change my mind." Why limit your own enjoyment? No, you not giving SOE any of your money will hardly be noticed and all of your bad press is still press for them which = MORE money for them... WTG?
I know this is a difficult concept to understand but it is called personal ethics, there are still a few people in the world that refuse to deal with companies that practice shadey or unethical buissness practices whenever and wherever possible and when possible do what they can to force those companies to change how they operate.
So, given the hypothetical situation that SOE becomes involved with every single console, PC, handheld, etc game at some point in the future, does that mean you would simply give up gaming? Yes yes, absurd hypothetical situation but still... I just don't understand the line of thinking. Yes, I can see not wanting to give them your money but to what end? SOE isn't going away. Online gaming is fun. If you refuse to ever play a game that SOE is involved in you are seriously limiting your own possible enjoyment. I would understand your position more if you said, "I have no intention of giving SOE any money but if I play the Open Beta for PotBS and it's a fawk ton of fun then I might change my mind." Why limit your own enjoyment? No, you not giving SOE any of your money will hardly be noticed and all of your bad press is still press for them which = MORE money for them... WTG?
I know this is a difficult concept to understand but it is called personal ethics, there are still a few people in the world that refuse to deal with companies that practice shadey or unethical buissness practices whenever and wherever possible and when possible do what they can to force those companies to change how they operate.
Sorry I don't know if you're actually serious now. You are refering to youself as a few. But in the grand sceem of thing, those that avoid things your implying are not a few, they are legion. But also in this, now we a re talking about a minority amongst another minority (Gamers, online gamers, MMO gamers.) and in that group you'd still be a minority and yes a few. Although in this context I think you meant with few = many.
But many out of what, how many out of those was actually going to buy PotBS. I hardly think that the majority of those 'few' was initially goin to buy PotBS. And among those that actually (again in your group of few) was interested in this game are are going to pick up the game anyway, some are not but not that many in the end.
Leaving even less peopleb out of the few people left from the initial few people that are against SOE 'shady and unethical' business. It can almost be compared in how to count and draw taxes, meaning you end up with less cash in the pocket then the employer spent on your salary (and thus adding VAT on your purchases).
But this is how a boycott is done, seriously. This is shady and unethical.
well this topic has been discussed to death, we have heard both sides, repeating the same things over and over, my self and other's who are gonna play the game, we aren't gonna change the minds of the anti-SOE crowd and the anti-SOE crowd aren't gonna change our minds. I as a gamer will always try out game's and decide for myself if it's worth playing or not, i will never let other's decide that for me. i'm sorry you guy's have had bad experiance's with SOE but i have not had those problems, so there is no reason for me to be angry with them.
I believe in giving people a chance, and the FLS guys i feel have been honest with the deal they made, if it turns out the lied oh well i move on, it's not worth letting these types of things take over your lives.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
well this topic has been discussed to death, we have heard both sides, repeating the same things over and over, my self and other's who are gonna play the game, we aren't gonna change the minds of the anti-SOE crowd and the anti-SOE crowd aren't gonna change our minds. I as a gamer will always try out game's and decide for myself if it's worth playing or not, i will never let other's decide that for me. i'm sorry you guy's have had bad experiance's with SOE but i have not had those problems, so there is no reason for me to be angry with them. I believe in giving people a chance, and the FLS guys i feel have been honest with the deal they made, if it turns out the lied oh well i move on, it's not worth letting these types of things take over your lives.
Listen here Mr. former Comitatus Praetorian... Your logic is not welcome round deez here partz. Now let us get back to mindlessly banging our headz against the wall... k plz thx....
well this topic has been discussed to death, we have heard both sides, repeating the same things over and over, my self and other's who are gonna play the game, we aren't gonna change the minds of the anti-SOE crowd and the anti-SOE crowd aren't gonna change our minds. I as a gamer will always try out game's and decide for myself if it's worth playing or not, i will never let other's decide that for me. i'm sorry you guy's have had bad experiance's with SOE but i have not had those problems, so there is no reason for me to be angry with them. I believe in giving people a chance, and the FLS guys i feel have been honest with the deal they made, if it turns out the lied oh well i move on, it's not worth letting these types of things take over your lives.
Listen here Mr. former Comitatus Praetorian... Your logic is not welcome round deez here partz. Now let us get back to mindlessly banging our headz against the wall... k plz thx....
My logic is undeniable lol :P........okay okay fine *goes to make some complaint topics by rolling his face back and forth across his keyboard* :P
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
So, given the hypothetical situation that SOE becomes involved with every single console, PC, handheld, etc game at some point in the future, does that mean you would simply give up gaming? Yes yes, absurd hypothetical situation but still... I just don't understand the line of thinking. Yes, I can see not wanting to give them your money but to what end? SOE isn't going away. Online gaming is fun. If you refuse to ever play a game that SOE is involved in you are seriously limiting your own possible enjoyment. I would understand your position more if you said, "I have no intention of giving SOE any money but if I play the Open Beta for PotBS and it's a fawk ton of fun then I might change my mind." Why limit your own enjoyment? No, you not giving SOE any of your money will hardly be noticed and all of your bad press is still press for them which = MORE money for them... WTG?
My circle of gaming friends and I have pondered this exact same extream hypothetical. The final result was that we would not play MMOs until the condition changed.
One interesting story during this discussion went something as follows:
As a kid, the city I grew up in built this fantastic playground with all the cool equipment, a mini-waterpark, a skateboard park and a rec center. Everyone went to this park and had a blast for the first month or so. Than the city started to lay down more an more rules. They started posting signs saying this and that is required, they enlisted adult volunteers to enforce these rules and started charging for the water rides. It did not take much longer after that for my friends and I to start showing up at the old park where we had just as much if not more fun.
Project this into the modern playground, the MMO. You can have the best MMO EVER!, but if its managed poorly, the game isn't really worth playing. You and your friends can easily go to another, less complete, maybe even slightly broken game and still have the exciting MMO experience you seek.
Luckily, there are excellent MMOs out there that are not managed poorly. Thats where my friends and I are ATM and it appears we will be there for some time to come. Our enjoyment is far from limited.
Originally posted by valkyrie36 My circle of gaming friends and I have pondered this exact same extream hypothetical. The final result was that we would not play MMOs until the condition changed. One interesting story during this discussion went something as follows: As a kid, the city I grew up in built this fantastic playground with all the cool equipment, a mini-waterpark, a skateboard park and a rec center. Everyone went to this park and had a blast for the first month or so. Than the city started to lay down more an more rules. They started posting signs saying this and that is required, they enlisted adult volunteers to enforce these rules and started charging for the water rides. It did not take much longer after that for my friends and I to start showing up at the old park where we had just as much if not more fun. Project this into the modern playground, the MMO. You can have the best MMO EVER!, but if its managed poorly, the game isn't really worth playing. You and your friends can easily go to another, less complete, maybe even slightly broken game and still have the exciting MMO experience you seek. Luckily, there are excellent MMOs out there that are not managed poorly. Thats where my friends and I are ATM and it appears we will be there for some time to come. Our enjoyment is far from limited.
Fair enough. Only problem with that is the topic at hand is a game that you aren't even giving the chance to see how it will be managed. I'll also point out that that the game in question isn't even managed by the people that are known for poor management...
Originally posted by valkyrie36 My circle of gaming friends and I have pondered this exact same extream hypothetical. The final result was that we would not play MMOs until the condition changed. One interesting story during this discussion went something as follows: As a kid, the city I grew up in built this fantastic playground with all the cool equipment, a mini-waterpark, a skateboard park and a rec center. Everyone went to this park and had a blast for the first month or so. Than the city started to lay down more an more rules. They started posting signs saying this and that is required, they enlisted adult volunteers to enforce these rules and started charging for the water rides. It did not take much longer after that for my friends and I to start showing up at the old park where we had just as much if not more fun. Project this into the modern playground, the MMO. You can have the best MMO EVER!, but if its managed poorly, the game isn't really worth playing. You and your friends can easily go to another, less complete, maybe even slightly broken game and still have the exciting MMO experience you seek. Luckily, there are excellent MMOs out there that are not managed poorly. Thats where my friends and I are ATM and it appears we will be there for some time to come. Our enjoyment is far from limited.
Fair enough. Only problem with that is the topic at hand is a game that you aren't even giving the chance to see how it will be managed. I'll also point out that that the game in question isn't even managed by the people that are known for poor management...
I was addressing your hypothetical only
You can read any of my posts in this thread for my response to this real situation.
Beat me to it, Woody! It takes a while to read through the 12 pages added since I went to bed. He's right. We're doing our own servers. Sony does distribution and marketing, both of which they're quite good at. Really, to summarize all 26 pages of this thread, this all comes down to a few camps of people: 1. People who don't care who publishes the game as long as it's good. 2. People who've had bad experiences with every company and so don't like any of them. But they love games so they judge each game as it comes along. 3. People who've had a bad experience with SOE but trust us to take care of ourselves. 4. People who are sure SOE will mess up the game some how, but are willing to check it out anyway. 5. People who don't care how good the game is, because for them it's become a matter of principal to avoid SOE. 6. People who wouldn't have found our game if it weren't for SOE's marketing and distribution, but now will. Groups 1, 2, 3, and 4 we can take care of by doing *our * job and releasing a solid and fun game. Some people will hold back on trying it to make sure it's not another Vanguard, but that's fine. I'm not Brad McQuaid so I'm not worried about them. Group 5 we can't do anything about anyway, because for them it's a religious issue, and you can't argue with that. From a business standpoint, we believe that group 6 is much larger than group 5. Digital distribution doesn't reach the Walmart crowd, or even a lot of the Best Buy/Gamestop crowd. While I admire the adherance to their principals that will keep group 5 away from our game, I'm sorry they won't get to enjoy it. But my admiration isn't enough to cause me to make a bad business decision for my company because of it. Rick Saada - FLS Dev and EPFBM
I don't know who you are but the line you used refering to the anti-soe crowd "because for them it's a religious issue" is insulting and untrue. I know my decision to not have anything to do with an soe game, even if it is only as a distributer and billing, is based on their own past actions of blatantly lying to misleading their customers, combined with their horrible customer service. How is refusing to deal with a company that engages in shady business practices a religious issue? Its the same reason people have boycotted Walmart, Exxon and many other companies. How does it make you feel to know that your dealing with a company that blatantly disrespects and lies to its customers? By signing a deal with them, and seeing what you and other devs of your game have said, you've basically said that you don't care what soe has done to its customers.
You and others try marginalize the concerns people have with soe yet there are very real and legitimate issues we have had with them. Yet, for some reason you ignore them and don't even address them. Somehow we're marked as just "haters". If a company or business screwed you and your friends and family the way soe has done (I don't mean the actual game play change with swg, I mean the whole way it was handled) would you continue to do business with them or not let others know what they did? You are now guilty by association, so deal with it. Your game could cure cancer and make peace in the middle east but theres no way I'll ever compromise my principles, like many people here seem willing to do, just so I can play your happy shiny new game. Having "fun" playing a video game isn't worth lowering my personal standards.
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Not gonna bother reading past the first 7-8 tortuous pages of this thread. However, I would like to state quite simply that anyone spewing hate for SOE while simultaneously looking forward to a game from Funcom is a f*cking moron. That is all.
You go on sticking to the man, while i address the people who may actually play the game and are worried that Vanguard was the litmus test for SOE being a publisher.
Come on Sparky.. name ONE thing worth a damn.
Want just one or several? Cause off the top of my head, Station Access rings a bell. Cause right now, you have like 6 games with 2 more on the way to be added to the list with a current monthly price tag of what 2 games would cost. Can't say if the price will stay the same or go up, but how can you go wrong with 8 games for the price of 2 or slightly more then 2?
Yet none of those games are worth paying their normal access fees for. The highest rate of Station Access fees are actually paid by EQ people who want extra character slots.
But how is that good again? Paying more to play 6 sucktastic games? It costs more than 2 GOOD games.
Where's the one thing worth a damn again? Really.. I'm dying to hear.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Wow, Judging by your picture alone i am guessing your not entirely unbiased here. I know it may be unconceivable to you, but some people may enjoy some SOE games. They may not have a track record to amaze the ages, but patrolling forums like a detective on speed in search of posts in which its possible to bash SOE isn't a viable hobby.
This game hasn't even been released. Give it a go, if you feel it is terrible, then don't play it. However from reading the website, and checking the development it seems like it is going to be a beefed up voyage century with much more gameplay and rp possibility. There is no need to flame, SOE isn't buying the game out and developing it. They are just publishing are they not?
Guaranteed this thread will go back and forth between people who feel personally violated deep down for the way SWG was handled, Vanguard ETC.. But until this game is release then why the flame?
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Hmm... Bout time to point out this poll again: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/136707
And while I'm repeating myself here, LOL@VOCALMINORITYIMO gl hf k plz thx
And so here we all are. Such tactics have not been effective for the last, what, two years now. We can keep bashing each other, or go along that SOE has done all it can and not get anywhere closer to a solution.
We still have the "stigma" of SOE going around and affecting its affiliates, both here and off-site.
What other methods can be employed to help remove the "stigma"?
I have come up with just some generalized ideas to help brainstorm. Don't like them, fine, come up with something better.
Did you not state that SOE's customer base was at about 620,000 during 2006?
And I proved that in 2005, SOE's customer base was over 800,000.
So SOE has become very effective in the last year to bring its customer base to pre-2005?
Yes or No
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
im sorry but i just wish soe would just die off, they keep pusing their money around and destroying good games.
Thank you for the time you took to reply to me Rick , what you propose is a sound idea and I will give PotBS ago
hehehe after all I've become somewhat of an expert getting myself out of SOE's ..umm...hold on and not let go habits as regards to billing 
and anyone who will take the time to read my concerns and defend their product as well as you and the Dev team have deserves a fair go . Good on ya Mate 
Did you not state that SOE's customer base was at about 620,000 during 2006?
And I proved that in 2005, SOE's customer base was over 800,000.
So SOE has become very effective in the last year to bring its customer base to pre-2005?
Yes or No
If your going to quote numbers try to make at least minimal effort to get them right. Sony’s 2005 annual report has SOE subscriber base at 680K, this is unchanged in the 2006 annual report.
QFT and agreed!
I just can't picture myself going to $OE website and creating a $OE Station account. I did it once, never ever again.
So, given the hypothetical situation that SOE becomes involved with every single console, PC, handheld, etc game at some point in the future, does that mean you would simply give up gaming?
Yes yes, absurd hypothetical situation but still...
I just don't understand the line of thinking. Yes, I can see not wanting to give them your money but to what end? SOE isn't going away. Online gaming is fun. If you refuse to ever play a game that SOE is involved in you are seriously limiting your own possible enjoyment. I would understand your position more if you said, "I have no intention of giving SOE any money but if I play the Open Beta for PotBS and it's a fawk ton of fun then I might change my mind."
Why limit your own enjoyment? No, you not giving SOE any of your money will hardly be noticed and all of your bad press is still press for them which = MORE money for them... WTG?
I know this is a difficult concept to understand but it is called personal ethics, there are still a few people in the world that refuse to deal with companies that practice shadey or unethical buissness practices whenever and wherever possible and when possible do what they can to force those companies to change how they operate.Sorry I don't know if you're actually serious now. You are refering to youself as a few. But in the grand sceem of thing, those that avoid things your implying are not a few, they are legion. But also in this, now we a re talking about a minority amongst another minority (Gamers, online gamers, MMO gamers.) and in that group you'd still be a minority and yes a few. Although in this context I think you meant with few = many.
But many out of what, how many out of those was actually going to buy PotBS. I hardly think that the majority of those 'few' was initially goin to buy PotBS. And among those that actually (again in your group of few) was interested in this game are are going to pick up the game anyway, some are not but not that many in the end.
Leaving even less peopleb out of the few people left from the initial few people that are against SOE 'shady and unethical' business. It can almost be compared in how to count and draw taxes, meaning you end up with less cash in the pocket then the employer spent on your salary (and thus adding VAT on your purchases).
But this is how a boycott is done, seriously. This is shady and unethical.
Nestlé boycott
This was a bad decision.
New Game Enhancements
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
And so ends Pirates of the Burning Sea.
A damn shame,but I guess there's always Navy Field,Voyage Century or possibly Pirates of the Caribbean.
well this topic has been discussed to death, we have heard both sides, repeating the same things over and over, my self and other's who are gonna play the game, we aren't gonna change the minds of the anti-SOE crowd and the anti-SOE crowd aren't gonna change our minds. I as a gamer will always try out game's and decide for myself if it's worth playing or not, i will never let other's decide that for me. i'm sorry you guy's have had bad experiance's with SOE but i have not had those problems, so there is no reason for me to be angry with them.
I believe in giving people a chance, and the FLS guys i feel have been honest with the deal they made, if it turns out the lied oh well i move on, it's not worth letting these types of things take over your lives.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
My logic is undeniable lol :P........okay okay fine *goes to make some complaint topics by rolling his face back and forth across his keyboard* :P
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
My circle of gaming friends and I have pondered this exact same extream hypothetical. The final result was that we would not play MMOs until the condition changed.
One interesting story during this discussion went something as follows:
As a kid, the city I grew up in built this fantastic playground with all the cool equipment, a mini-waterpark, a skateboard park and a rec center. Everyone went to this park and had a blast for the first month or so. Than the city started to lay down more an more rules. They started posting signs saying this and that is required, they enlisted adult volunteers to enforce these rules and started charging for the water rides. It did not take much longer after that for my friends and I to start showing up at the old park where we had just as much if not more fun.
Project this into the modern playground, the MMO. You can have the best MMO EVER!, but if its managed poorly, the game isn't really worth playing. You and your friends can easily go to another, less complete, maybe even slightly broken game and still have the exciting MMO experience you seek.
Luckily, there are excellent MMOs out there that are not managed poorly. Thats where my friends and I are ATM and it appears we will be there for some time to come. Our enjoyment is far from limited.
Fair enough. Only problem with that is the topic at hand is a game that you aren't even giving the chance to see how it will be managed. I'll also point out that that the game in question isn't even managed by the people that are known for poor management...
Fair enough. Only problem with that is the topic at hand is a game that you aren't even giving the chance to see how it will be managed. I'll also point out that that the game in question isn't even managed by the people that are known for poor management...
I was addressing your hypothetical only
You can read any of my posts in this thread for my response to this real situation.
You can read any of my posts in this thread for my response to this real situation.
Just in general here. A reality check perhaps
You do know that this thread is 59 pages long?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Heh, he knows. And it's only 12 pages for me... All depends on your forum settings.
I checked back, he is boycott'ing PotBS/FL because they chose to associate with SOE just like most of the others.
You and others try marginalize the concerns people have with soe yet there are very real and legitimate issues we have had with them. Yet, for some reason you ignore them and don't even address them. Somehow we're marked as just "haters". If a company or business screwed you and your friends and family the way soe has done (I don't mean the actual game play change with swg, I mean the whole way it was handled) would you continue to do business with them or not let others know what they did? You are now guilty by association, so deal with it. Your game could cure cancer and make peace in the middle east but theres no way I'll ever compromise my principles, like many people here seem willing to do, just so I can play your happy shiny new game. Having "fun" playing a video game isn't worth lowering my personal standards.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.