I guess you can count me in as one of these "SOE haters" if the criteria are those who will not play a game associated with SOE. I will also be the first to admit it stems from SWG and that I have not gotten over this fiasco nor do I see where I need to reconcile. We have a large market of MMOs these days and many more on thier way that give me the freedom to keep this grudge. I will call it a grudge for simplicity sake, but I feel it has a purpose and hopefully keeping SOE out of my wallet can keep some of their nonsence in check.
POTBS may end up being a fantastic game. The developers seem like nice folks and I do think they have been sufficiently honest about these events. Yet, I still can not follow them to SOE even if SOE was only handling the trash collection.
There are many types of SOE haters and they have all appered here in all its moderate and extream configurations. The same is true of the fans. I can't stand the "game is gonna die" haters just as much as I can't stand the blind sheep who latch onto a games developers like the second coming of the mesiah (ref. McQuaid).
Who knows how big or insignificant the "SOE haters" club is. No one can give any numbers...I can not. But I do know what your common "SOE hater" is by the history of what made them haters. They are the folks who spend lots of time in a single game (years), they have a high tolerance for change (tested and eventually broken unfortunatly) and are interested in building a games community. This is not an insignificant demograph if you are a game developer. If it were, the current PR campaign would not be conducted.
Enjoy POTBS for those who plan on playing it, I want you in a good mood if we end up in the next game together.
Doesn't matter who made PotBS when SoE gets involved they get INVOLVED Expect it to become EQ on the High Seas sometime in the coming year after its release.
Wasn't/Isn't EQ considered an icon in MMO history? Isn't it still alive and well after 8+ years? I'm failing to see where PotBS being the next EQ is a bad thing... Help me out here please?
Vociferor your logic class is flawed , since it is based on the fact that all swans are white were I come from I have seen both black and white swans freely swimming together ..so how dose your logic translate to that ?
My apologies if what I said was not clear, but I'm saying exactly the same thing as you are crystalshine. That was the point of my post and the lesson the example is supposed to teach.
If you need it explained further don't hesitate to ask.
Well the thing is, is that there are other companies offering some really good games why give your money to a company that doesn't give a crap about you or your rights. especially when they are known for low quality and really bad customer support
good thing SOE isn't developing the game OR handling customer support! Reading FTW!
50 dollah sez SOE acquires PotBS after shaky launch and low subs... Any takers?
Wow, that's a bold bet -- SOE partners with FLS and will garnish revenues from the service. If PotBS slips a bit, you don't think SOE has a vested interest in propping it up? Way to troll dude!
How much did the anti-soe fellings influence the deal POTBS got? Would this have all been different if pressure was not applied to SOE to account for its past offenses?
From what I see, POTBS got exactly what it wanted from SOE. Its almost as if SOE would have done anything just to get their name on a good product. Market pressure to rehabilitate a bad reputation perhaps?
Its so easy to be critical of someone who does not share your opionion, but it could also be that these oposing opionions are helping make your experiences better in the end.
If SOE is involved in this game I won't touch it, there are enough other great mmorpgs coming, no reason to stick with this one
devs of this game just made a big mistake, you will see it by the sales numbers
but I'm propably the only one feeling this way about SOE right?
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies: Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
It all come down to principle, or lack thereof. I for one will never buy another SOE product, period.
Then do us all a favor and buy PotBS! Assuming the FL folks aren't lying then they need us to buy the game now to keep SOE from getting their hands on it.
I guess you can count me in as one of these "SOE haters" if the criteria are those who will not play a game associated with SOE. I will also be the first to admit it stems from SWG and that I have not gotten over this fiasco nor do I see where I need to reconcile. We have a large market of MMOs these days and many more on thier way that give me the freedom to keep this grudge. I will call it a grudge for simplicity sake, but I feel it has a purpose and hopefully keeping SOE out of my wallet can keep some of their nonsence in check. POTBS may end up being a fantastic game. The developers seem like nice folks and I do think they have been sufficiently honest about these events. Yet, I still can not follow them to SOE even if SOE was only handling the trash collection. There are many types of SOE haters and they have all appered here in all its moderate and extream configurations. The same is true of the fans. I can't stand the "game is gonna die" haters just as much as I can't stand the blind sheep who latch onto a games developers like the second coming of the mesiah (ref. McQuaid). Who knows how big or insignificant the "SOE haters" club is. No one can give any numbers...I can not. But I do know what your common "SOE hater" is by the history of what made them haters. They are the folks who spend lots of time in a single game (years), they have a high tolerance for change (tested and eventually broken unfortunatly) and are interested in building a games community. This is not an insignificant demograph if you are a game developer. If it were, the current PR campaign would not be conducted. Enjoy POTBS for those who plan on playing it, I want you in a good mood if we end up in the next game together.
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies: Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
All of you haters are over-reacting. SoE is basically doing one main thing, forking up the money. As long as SOE has nothing to do with Customer Support and Development (Which they don't) then you wont have any problems. In fact, SOE servers are usually top class compared to other games servers (See WoW Original Cluster).
Stop crying
Played: WoW, DAoc, EQ2, Nexus, Vanguard, Ryzom, Auto Assault
I agree. I think the game will have more success due to great publication access. Also for those of us that do play a SOE published game I am interested to see if they will give a bundle option. It will keep me playing Vanguard, SWG and I would definitely try POTBS as well. Otherwise I may have bypassed this game for war, aoc. So as a customer who plays a lot of mmo's having SOE take this up may have gained POTBS a new subscriber.
I guess you can count me in as one of these "SOE haters" if the criteria are those who will not play a game associated with SOE. I will also be the first to admit it stems from SWG and that I have not gotten over this fiasco nor do I see where I need to reconcile. We have a large market of MMOs these days and many more on thier way that give me the freedom to keep this grudge. I will call it a grudge for simplicity sake, but I feel it has a purpose and hopefully keeping SOE out of my wallet can keep some of their nonsence in check. POTBS may end up being a fantastic game. The developers seem like nice folks and I do think they have been sufficiently honest about these events. Yet, I still can not follow them to SOE even if SOE was only handling the trash collection.
These responses amaze me. Obviously these people are far beyond rationality but how can this even look like a good decision?
Well the thing is, is that there are other companies offering some really good games why give your money to a company that doesn't give a crap about you or your rights. especially when they are known for low quality and really bad customer support
good thing SOE isn't developing the game OR handling customer support! Reading FTW!
The problem I had that set me off was Sony's billing practices and the fact they over charged me for a few months and I never got my money back.
Now it was only $60 some may say but stealing is stealing no matter how much it is.
Sony may not be developing the game but they will be involved with delivering it and charging you to play it.
I agree. I think the game will have more success due to great publication access. Also for those of us that do play a SOE published game I am interested to see if they will give a bundle option. It will keep me playing Vanguard, SWG and I would definitely try POTBS as well. Otherwise I may have bypassed this game for war, aoc. So as a customer who plays a lot of mmo's having SOE take this up may have gained POTBS a new subscriber.
Good point. Choice is a wonderful thing...
I also wonder if they will reduce the price of the Station Pass when Vanguard drops to 4 servers since it was the reason for the latest price increase.
Well the thing is, is that there are other companies offering some really good games why give your money to a company that doesn't give a crap about you or your rights. especially when they are known for low quality and really bad customer support
good thing SOE isn't developing the game OR handling customer support! Reading FTW!
The problem I had that set me off was Sony's billing practices and the fact they over charged me for a few months and I never got my money back.
Now it was $60 some may say but stealing is stealing no matter how much it is.
Sony may not be developing the game but they will be involved with delivering it and charging you to play it.
Good luck
*Boggle* And you didn't follow up with your credit card company or bbb?
Yes this is another for all you SOE haters. Thats great if you don't want play it, or to ignorant to even try it. But take your troll hammers somewhere else please. Many of you have no interest in playing PotBS, specially now that they signed with SOE. So why are you still here? We know many of you dislike SOE. Alot of you for the wrong reasons specially on the SWG side since lucasarts destroyed the game themselves. Some of you are actually attacking the people who want to play this and have been active on the mmorpg/ptobs forums. Like I said thats great you don't want to play it, you dont have to quote every post supporting it, shoot it down, and repeat yourself again saying how much you despise SOE.
The reality is the peope here who have stated they will not be playing PotBS due to SoE's involvement are a small, but vocal minority. Most people will play a game based on the games assets. IF it looks fun and is up their alley, they're likely to play it.
These SoE haters feel they've been wronged by SoE and are letting that companies know in the strongest possible terms...by not giving them their money. However, only a small percentage of the total mmorpg player base even hangs out here. The rest are actually playing games. I talk to lots of people who play thee games. Most of em have never heard of mmorpg.com. They just don't take it that seriously.
More to teh point, those same peolpe who've never heard of mmorpg.com probably would not hear about PotBs if it was digital download only. Now, if they walk past the box in Best buy..now they've heard of it.....and they're reading the box and looking at the pictures....and carrying it to the counter for purchase.
So, for FLS and PotBS, this deal is a good thing. While I admire the dedication of the SoE boycotters, yer threats really do not amount to much in teh grand scheme of things, as this site only contains a small potrion of the potential player base, which has gotten substantially larger for PotBs thanks to SoE.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone www.spankybus.com -3d Artist & Compositor -Writer -Professional Amature
Yes this is another for all you SOE haters. Thats great if you don't want play it, or to ignorant to even try it. But take your troll hammers somewhere else please. Many of you have no interest in playing PotBS, specially now that they signed with SOE. So why are you still here? We know many of you dislike SOE. Alot of you for the wrong reasons specially on the SWG side since lucasarts destroyed the game themselves. Some of you are actually attacking the people who want to play this and have been active on the mmorpg/ptobs forums. Like I said thats great you don't want to play it, you dont have to quote every post supporting it, shoot it down, and repeat yourself again saying how much you despise SOE.
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I guess you can count me in as one of these "SOE haters" if the criteria are those who will not play a game associated with SOE. I will also be the first to admit it stems from SWG and that I have not gotten over this fiasco nor do I see where I need to reconcile. We have a large market of MMOs these days and many more on thier way that give me the freedom to keep this grudge. I will call it a grudge for simplicity sake, but I feel it has a purpose and hopefully keeping SOE out of my wallet can keep some of their nonsence in check.
POTBS may end up being a fantastic game. The developers seem like nice folks and I do think they have been sufficiently honest about these events. Yet, I still can not follow them to SOE even if SOE was only handling the trash collection.
There are many types of SOE haters and they have all appered here in all its moderate and extream configurations. The same is true of the fans. I can't stand the "game is gonna die" haters just as much as I can't stand the blind sheep who latch onto a games developers like the second coming of the mesiah (ref. McQuaid).
Who knows how big or insignificant the "SOE haters" club is. No one can give any numbers...I can not. But I do know what your common "SOE hater" is by the history of what made them haters. They are the folks who spend lots of time in a single game (years), they have a high tolerance for change (tested and eventually broken unfortunatly) and are interested in building a games community. This is not an insignificant demograph if you are a game developer. If it were, the current PR campaign would not be conducted.
Enjoy POTBS for those who plan on playing it, I want you in a good mood if we end up in the next game together.
Doesn't matter who made PotBS when SoE gets involved they get INVOLVED
Expect it to become EQ on the High Seas sometime in the coming year after its release.
exactly.
Sony Online Entertainment Steals Customers Money
Wasn't/Isn't EQ considered an icon in MMO history? Isn't it still alive and well after 8+ years? I'm failing to see where PotBS being the next EQ is a bad thing... Help me out here please?
My apologies if what I said was not clear, but I'm saying exactly the same thing as you are crystalshine. That was the point of my post and the lesson the example is supposed to teach.
If you need it explained further don't hesitate to ask.
50 dollah sez SOE acquires PotBS after shaky launch and low subs...
Any takers?
good thing SOE isn't developing the game OR handling customer support! Reading FTW!
Wow, that's a bold bet -- SOE partners with FLS and will garnish revenues from the service. If PotBS slips a bit, you don't think SOE has a vested interest in propping it up? Way to troll dude!
holy crap almost at 500
Just a thought...
How much did the anti-soe fellings influence the deal POTBS got? Would this have all been different if pressure was not applied to SOE to account for its past offenses?
From what I see, POTBS got exactly what it wanted from SOE. Its almost as if SOE would have done anything just to get their name on a good product. Market pressure to rehabilitate a bad reputation perhaps?
Its so easy to be critical of someone who does not share your opionion, but it could also be that these oposing opionions are helping make your experiences better in the end.
It all come down to principle, or lack thereof.
I for one will never buy another SOE product, period.
If SOE is involved in this game I won't touch it, there are enough other great mmorpgs coming, no reason to stick with this one
devs of this game just made a big mistake, you will see it by the sales numbers
but I'm propably the only one feeling this way about SOE right?
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies:
Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
Then do us all a favor and buy PotBS! Assuming the FL folks aren't lying then they need us to buy the game now to keep SOE from getting their hands on it.
SOE and NGE-Star Wars Galalaxies:
Raph Koster: "It's like dumping the girlfriend who has always been patient and loving to chase after the supermodel who probably won't love you back."
even tho there has been a lil bit of flaming (i'm guilty also) this topic hasn't been bad at all
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
ZOMG almost 500!
i'll let someone else do it :P
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
All of you haters are over-reacting. SoE is basically doing one main thing, forking up the money. As long as SOE has nothing to do with Customer Support and Development (Which they don't) then you wont have any problems. In fact, SOE servers are usually top class compared to other games servers (See WoW Original Cluster).
Stop crying
Played: WoW, DAoc, EQ2, Nexus, Vanguard, Ryzom, Auto Assault
Future: PoTBS, WAR
I agree. I think the game will have more success due to great publication access. Also for those of us that do play a SOE published game I am interested to see if they will give a bundle option. It will keep me playing Vanguard, SWG and I would definitely try POTBS as well. Otherwise I may have bypassed this game for war, aoc. So as a customer who plays a lot of mmo's having SOE take this up may have gained POTBS a new subscriber.
These responses amaze me. Obviously these people are far beyond rationality but how can this even look like a good decision?
good thing SOE isn't developing the game OR handling customer support! Reading FTW!
The problem I had that set me off was Sony's billing practices and the fact they over charged me for a few months and I never got my money back.
Now it was only $60 some may say but stealing is stealing no matter how much it is.
Sony may not be developing the game but they will be involved with delivering it and charging you to play it.
Good luck
Good point. Choice is a wonderful thing...
I also wonder if they will reduce the price of the Station Pass when Vanguard drops to 4 servers since it was the reason for the latest price increase.
good thing SOE isn't developing the game OR handling customer support! Reading FTW!
The problem I had that set me off was Sony's billing practices and the fact they over charged me for a few months and I never got my money back.
Now it was $60 some may say but stealing is stealing no matter how much it is.
Sony may not be developing the game but they will be involved with delivering it and charging you to play it.
Good luck
*Boggle* And you didn't follow up with your credit card company or bbb?
Yes this is another for all you SOE haters. Thats great if you don't want play it, or to ignorant to even try it. But take your troll hammers somewhere else please. Many of you have no interest in playing PotBS, specially now that they signed with SOE. So why are you still here? We know many of you dislike SOE. Alot of you for the wrong reasons specially on the SWG side since lucasarts destroyed the game themselves. Some of you are actually attacking the people who want to play this and have been active on the mmorpg/ptobs forums. Like I said thats great you don't want to play it, you dont have to quote every post supporting it, shoot it down, and repeat yourself again saying how much you despise SOE.
The reality is the peope here who have stated they will not be playing PotBS due to SoE's involvement are a small, but vocal minority. Most people will play a game based on the games assets. IF it looks fun and is up their alley, they're likely to play it.
These SoE haters feel they've been wronged by SoE and are letting that companies know in the strongest possible terms...by not giving them their money. However, only a small percentage of the total mmorpg player base even hangs out here. The rest are actually playing games. I talk to lots of people who play thee games. Most of em have never heard of mmorpg.com. They just don't take it that seriously.
More to teh point, those same peolpe who've never heard of mmorpg.com probably would not hear about PotBs if it was digital download only. Now, if they walk past the box in Best buy..now they've heard of it.....and they're reading the box and looking at the pictures....and carrying it to the counter for purchase.
So, for FLS and PotBS, this deal is a good thing. While I admire the dedication of the SoE boycotters, yer threats really do not amount to much in teh grand scheme of things, as this site only contains a small potrion of the potential player base, which has gotten substantially larger for PotBs thanks to SoE.
Frank 'Spankybus' Mignone
www.spankybus.com
-3d Artist & Compositor
-Writer
-Professional Amature
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