Well, the world will end once the sins of the world has spread throughout the world and all seems well. Basically, when all the countries, particularly those in Africa, become industrialized. I'll be dead by then.
Haha, in that case the world will never end because Africa will never be industrialized.
Saw this being brought up in another topic so i figured ya'll could argue about it here. Are the Mayans right??
Well given the data we have:
1. Mayans, Chinese, and the Greeks (oracles) all stated that on December 21, 2012 (their equilivants of December) will be the last day of this age. All three civilizations stated this hundreds of years apart, thousands of miles apart.
2. The Mayan calendar is so accurate it has 100% successfully declared the exact day of a Solar and/or Lunar eclipse to this day.
3. The Mayans in 700 AD declared the exact month, day, and year when the "paled skin bearded Gods will come to them and wreak vengeance." That day, Cortez appeared on the shores and eventually whiped out their civilization.
4. Nasa has declared that in December of 2012, we will experience a complete and utter solar flare storm that happens once every 10,000 years. The solar flares are supposed to be so great the magnetic bands around our Earth will temporarily go crazy and any electromagnetic type of equipment will burn out (cell phones, computers, etc)
5. Once every 250,000 years our Earth, Moon, Sun, and the black hole in the center of our galaxy aligns itself. On December 21, 2012 these planets and entities will again line up. Scientists aren't sure what will happen but some suggested anywhere from typhoon like conditions to our surface crust being turned lopsided (meaning... the Poles will become the equator and vice versa) in the matter of days or even hours.
6. According to Nasa, around December 21, 2012 we will experience a very near miss of an asteroid as well as other near collisions of a couple more asteroids dating from Sept of 2012 and the end of December 2012.
But do your own research and draw your own conclusions
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA numbers 4, 5 are complete bullshit, if NASA could predict solar flares, how come were not exploring the outter reaches of the universe. Umm, lets see here, where to start...... Propulsion Systems are a completely different catagory of research than the observation of interstellar "Weather". Developing an Engine to get to the "Outer Reaches of The Universe" is a whole lot harder than creating a Teloscope that can see that far and studying it for a few years. WOW, they aline exactly, theres a black hole in teh center of our galaxy, if there was one, wouldnt we theroretically be going in slow motion or something. Time Dialation would only occur in a much closer proximity. The center of the Galaxy iis trillions of miles away. Thus, a Black Hole's Gravity (Even one of the size supposedly in the Middle of our galaxy, which is quite large) would have minimal effect on us. MAybe we are anad we just dont know, LINK PLEASE!!!! I believe if you had read the thread you would have already seen quite a few of the Links Enigma gave you.
As for my opinion, if it happens it happens, all I know is I've got one hell of a party scheduled for December 20th 2012.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment; We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Originally posted by Lumbergh show me where anyone BUT the mayans predicted the world to end in 2012.
Show me where anyone's predictions of the world ending have come true.
And, for fuck sake, when did the word age come to mean the world? Of course, something as simple as the beginning of a new astrological age doesn't make for good Doomcasting headlines. Nor does it make a a multimillion dollar a year industry feeding off peoples never-ending fear of some impending apocalypse that never seems to come.
show me where anyone BUT the mayans predicted the world to end in 2012.
Show me where anyone's predictions of the world ending have come true.
And, for fuck sake, when did the word age come to mean the world? Of course, something as simple as the beginning of a new astrological age doesn't make for good Doomcasting headlines. Nor does it make a a multimillion dollar a year industry feeding off peoples never-ending fear of some impending apocalypse that never seems to come.
funny, coldmeat I was just about to edit my post and add that. 2012 is the dawning of a new age, the end of the jaguar the begining of aquarius or something, not the end of the world.
mmmm yeeeah, thats greeat, a little to the left would be greeeat, ::sips coffee mug:::
show me where anyone BUT the mayans predicted the world to end in 2012.
1. Mayan Calendar (as you already know)
2. I Ching, an ancient book of chinese prophesies ends on December 21, 2012. Book was written about 400 years before the Mayan calender was constructed and halfway around the world. Links:
3. The Greek prophetess of Delphi made hundreds of prophecies and was so revered by Michaelangelo, he painted her on the Sistine Chapel as seen here -->
4. Web*Bots. A program developed by financial advisers and computer whizzes to predict outcomes of the stock market also has a tendancy of predicting other things. The program is self sufficient and it mysteriously abruplty stops on December 21, 2012.
5. The Papal Prophecies. St Malachai claimed to have had a vision in 1139 while visiting Rome and the Pope. He claimed God had given him a vision of all the Popes from the one he was visiting all the way to the very last Pope. The prophecies are public domain and can be read by anyone and it is an official recognized form of prophecies by the Roman Catholic Church. St Malachai was 100% dead-on on every single Pope. The current Pope is our last Pope. After this current Pope, it is said all hell will break loose. The current pope stated he received a Vision and that he reign will be nowhere near as long as the Pope John Paul.
I don't think 2012 is the end of the world, I think that's a fallacy. As other's have stated, it's the end of the age. An epoch. I think that 2012 will be a time of either great destruction which will lead to great deliverance, or great destruction is impending on us, and by 2012, deliverance will have arrived.
It's a new era, not the end all of all.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I don't think 2012 is the end of the world, I think that's a fallacy. As other's have stated, it's the end of the age. An epoch. I think that 2012 will be a time of either great destruction which will lead to great deliverance, or great destruction is impending on us, and by 2012, deliverance will have arrived. It's a new era, not the end all of all.
100% agree. It is not the end of the world.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I heard once that the world will end once someone figures out what is really going on here, then it says that maybe someone allready did.
To me civilization is a house of cards, hard to build easy to blow down. Everyone thinks taht our society is invincible and that nothing could ever happen to it. Thats how the Romans thought as well. Marcus Aurelius in his book meditations says, that " if you look back over the past at the great nations that rise and fall, you can see the future too."
I think that without a doubt life as we know it will end. It happens to every generation. Who knows if the future will bring more dark ages or prosperity but in all of its vastness I have no doubt that intelligent life will see both wihtout end, as this is the nature of our demension that we find ourselves in.
mmmm yeeeah, thats greeat, a little to the left would be greeeat, ::sips coffee mug:::
In December of 2012 Chuck Norris will be 72 years old. His roundhouse kick will fail for the first time in history, throwing the universe into a strange space-time paradox where the Big Bang could begin to reverse itself.
(I thought this was a joke thread at first, but now that I realize it's serious, I think it's even funnier!)
- Phos
AAH! A troll fire! Quick, pour some Kool-Aid on it!!!
well we should also take into account that the christian calender is actually a few years off
although now that i think about it, the error most likely occured well before the europeans knew about the mayans so the pairing of the two calenders is probably accurate
Like I'm going to be able to do anything if it does? I play the odds, and in the event of world ravishing disaster I'll more than likely be killed outright. With that logic, I continue living as though life and civilization will continue forever. It's really all that you can do.
As far as the world ending in 2012..... nope. Apparently this is based on the fact that the planets and the sun will be perfectly aligned with the singularity at the center of this galaxy. This is an event that only happens every 28,000 or so years. Given that the earth is around four BILLION years old, humanity is three MILLION years old, and civilization can be traced back AT LEAST THIRTY THOUSAND YEARS, I can draw a few solid conclusions.
This has happened several times over the history of our planet
This has happened several times since the emergence of homo sapiens
This has probably happened once since the emergence of human civilization that started between 30,000 to 70,000 years ago.
The idea that the world will end is highly unlikely. Then again, something may happen that will make life difficult and uncomfortable for us in the short term. More than likely a shifting of the poles or wot not. That is if anything happens at all.
My money is on the world continuing or me dying immediately at the point of doom. Either way, it affects my plans very little.
I can buy unusually large sun flare activity, which could conceivably knock out power, fry computers, cell phones, etc.
But, then, people claimed civilization was all going up in flames on Jan 1, 2000 as well. And that didn't work out quite like some thought it would. Unless you were selling Y2K survival kits, in which case, you probably made a killing of easily frightened yokels.
My roommates at the time went off on some religious inspired Y2K apocalypse hysteria fueled by the ones ultra-Christian parents. Her parents sold off their house, cars, her fathers very successfully construction business, and bought some shack out in the woods in Iowa. My roommates bought into it fully, and bought absolute shitloads of the stupidest stuff ever. Robitussin, tylonol, and other craziness. Zero canned goods, though. Then they lit upon the idea that they might need water. I woke up in the middle of the night to them in the kitchen filling empty 2 litre soda bottles they'd collected for a month or two full of water, and bleach. Not bleach tablets, mind you, but good ole Chlorox bleach. To keep the water from going bad, they said...
Last I heard, the world didn't so much as burp, let alone end. Sadly, I never got a chance to cackle whole heartedly in their faces after the fact.
I don't think 2012 is the end of the world, I think that's a fallacy. As other's have stated, it's the end of the age. An epoch. I think that 2012 will be a time of either great destruction which will lead to great deliverance, or great destruction is impending on us, and by 2012, deliverance will have arrived. It's a new era, not the end all of all.
100% agree. It is not the end of the world.
Well I 100% disagree.
I think is just another mith and nothing will happen.
Wanna bet that in 2013 we will still be here talking about the end of the world in 2022, predicted by the Talibans?
C'mon there is no way anyone can predict 1.000 or 5.000 thousand years ago when the world will end, let alone being so precise.
With all our technology we cannot even agree when the world will end (or IF) if we don't start cutting our carbon footprint, how can a Iron age civiliation can predict something like this?
Believing so is like admitting that the Mayans were a much higher developed civilization than ours.
It doesn't really make sense............... really.
I agree that some kind of disaster will happen in the future, like it happened in the past (Aka the Ice Age), but I don't think we will be able to predict that kind of thing so precisily with our knowledge, let alone the Mayans.
Well I'm rather disappointed that no-one here has mentioned my favourite seer, Nostradamus. Nostradamus is a bit of a hobby of mine, I enjoy his quatrains and making sense of them. Was he really able to predict future events? Was he just lucky? Is it that his quatrains are so vague they can neatly be translated to fit thos future events? Or is it abit of all three? Well I don't really care as it's just fun to readf and translate it, so what does he say for 2011-2013?
Well after reading through I came up with a two quatrains that fit neatly into the solar flare/end of an age. I also have a quatrain on the death of the pope in 2012.
2011 End of Age/effects of global warming or solar flare?
Mer par solaires sevre ne passera (The sea chastened by the sun shall no longer pass).
Ceux de Venus tiendront toute l'Affrique (The heat of Venus shall harry Africa).
Leur regne plus Saturne n'occupera (Saturn shall no longer measure its reign).
Et changeraq la part Asiatique (The Asiatic part shall change).
The most interesting part is line 3, Saturn being Kronos the god of time. Perhaps Nostradamus was predicting the end of a golden age with the these weather changes, although Saturn was also the god of agriculture, so under the circumstances it predicts drought, famine due to high temperatures calling in an end to a golden age changing the climate of Asia (India maybe) permanantly?
2012 Pope dies
Esleu en Pape, d'esleu sera mocque (An elected Pope, who is mocked by the electors).
Subit soudain esmeu prompt et timide (Acts promptl, though briefly and timidly).
Par trop bon doulz a mourir provocque (He is killed for being too good).
Crainte estainte la nuit de sa mort guide (The night of his death, he shall fear the death of his guide).
Nostradamus has many quatrains concerning the Papacy, this one is fairly self explainantory.
2013 Nuclear fusion/fission (nuclear subs perhaps), though it could fit the solar flare well.
Par fouldre en l'arche or et argent fondu (Gold and silver are fused together by the devastating power of the Ark)
De deux captifs l'un l'autre mangera (One is consumed/cannibalised by the other)
De la cite le plus grand estendu (The leader of the city is stretched)
Quand submergee la classe nagera (When the fleet travels beneath the water)
Nuclear fusion or fission is my personal belief here with gold and silver being forced together. I believe Nostradamus describes the initiation of a Nuclear reaction taking place inside say a weapon, say uranium and plutonium being forced together by an initiater in a nuclear device. Though it could fit into nuclear fussion within the sun, the Ark being the not only the ultimate weapon but also a bringer of light (spiritual and physical). The city leader is put under great hardship by either event and a fleet is sent to to the city in intial relief efforts, perhaps some subs are close by and start the evacuation on citizens?
Well it could all be bollocks but it's a fun passtime translating it and making it fit the events but if I did believe 100% in Nostradamus then I'd know the Mayans aren't predicting the end of the world. Since Nostradamus predicts it much later (even then it depends on your translation as to wether it's Armaggedon or not), and the Mayans were predicting an end of an age as Notradamus is. It seems the good times are over post 2012, but the Pope need not worry since he's gonna get assainated before then!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Well I'm rather disappointed that no-one here has mentioned my favourite seer, Nostradamus. Nostradamus is a bit of a hobby of mine, I enjoy his quatrains and making sense of them. Was he really able to predict future events? Was he just lucky? Is it that his quatrains are so vague they can neatly be translated to fit thos future events? Or is it abit of all three? Well I don't really care as it's just fun to readf and translate it, so what does he say for 2011-2013? Well after reading through I came up with a two quatrains that fit neatly into the solar flare/end of an age. I also have a quatrain on the death of the pope in 2012. 2011 End of Age/effects of global warming or solar flare? Mer par solaires sevre ne passera (The sea chastened by the sun shall no longer pass). Ceux de Venus tiendront toute l'Affrique (The heat of Venus shall harry Africa). Leur regne plus Saturne n'occupera (Saturn shall no longer measure its reign). Et changeraq la part Asiatique (The Asiatic part shall change). The most interesting part is line 3, Saturn being Kronos the god of time. Perhaps Nostradamus was predicting the end of a golden age with the these weather changes, although Saturn was also the god of agriculture, so under the circumstances it predicts drought, famine due to high temperatures calling in an end to a golden age changing the climate of Asia (India maybe) permanantly? 2012 Pope dies Esleu en Pape, d'esleu sera mocque (An elected Pope, who is mocked by the electors). Subit soudain esmeu prompt et timide (Acts promptl, though briefly and timidly). Par trop bon doulz a mourir provocque (He is killed for being too good). Crainte estainte la nuit de sa mort guide (The night of his death, he shall fear the death of his guide). Nostradamus has many quatrains concerning the Papacy, this one is fairly self explainantory. 2013 Nuclear fusion/fission (nuclear subs perhaps), though it could fit the solar flare well. Par fouldre en l'arche or et argent fondu (Gold and silver are fused together by the devastating power of the Ark) De deux captifs l'un l'autre mangera (One is consumed/cannibalised by the other) De la cite le plus grand estendu (The leader of the city is stretched) Quand submergee la classe nagera (When the fleet travels beneath the water) Nuclear fusion or fission is my personal belief here with gold and silver being forced together. I believe Nostradamus describes the initiation of a Nuclear reaction taking place inside say a weapon, say uranium and plutonium being forced together by an initiater in a nuclear device. Though it could fit into nuclear fussion within the sun, the Ark being the not only the ultimate weapon but also a bringer of light (spiritual and physical). The city leader is put under great hardship by either event and a fleet is sent to to the city in intial relief efforts, perhaps some subs are close by and start the evacuation on citizens? Well it could all be bollocks but it's a fun passtime translating it and making it fit the events but if I did believe 100% in Nostradamus then I'd know the Mayans aren't predicting the end of the world. Since Nostradamus predicts it much later (even then it depends on your translation as to wether it's Armaggedon or not), and the Mayans were predicting an end of an age as Notradamus is. It seems the good times are over post 2012, but the Pope need not worry since he's gonna get assainated before then!
Agricola
You should read the prophecies of St Malachai. He was 100% dead on on every Pope he Prophesied about since 1139; even our last Pope (John Paul). He stated this Pope would be born on an eclispse in Poland and buried on an eclipse...it happened...just one example. According to St Malachai, this Pope we have now (Benedictus) will be our last Pope. We shall see
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Well I read some notes on that saints predictions and he doesn't predict the end of the world, nor does he state that this will be the last pope. The last pope is "Peter the Roman" however Malachy doesn't state as to wether there are popes between him and our present Pope Benedict. He states that Peter is the last Pope before "The final persecution of the Holy church", then he predicts the destruction of "The city of seven hills and the dreadful judge will judge the people". So he predicts the end of the Papacy and Rome and the people of Rome will be judge atleast (the world?) but by who exactly isn't clear.
As for Nostradamus he quite clearly predicts the present Popes death in 2012, however he predicts the election of a Pope from either Italy itself or Albania (depending on the translation) in 2046. But he's quite clear that the Papacy continues despite the many crisis he also predicts.
There's only one quatrain for 2007 though.
"Les fugitifs, feu du ciel sus les piques (fire from above will spike the fugutives)
Conflict prochain des corbeaux s'esbatans (soon the Ravens will start fighting)
De terre on crie aide secours celiques, (Earth-bound cries beg heaven for assistance)
Quand pres des murs seront les combatants," (when the combatants approach the walls).
Some attribute this to North Korea, but it seems that the middle east fits better.
The first line is simple, the only mystery being the identity of the fugutives. Palestinians perhaps? Or even Israelias?
The second line is a bit deeper and has a few translations. Ravens are birds of ill omen also they feed of human corpses, usually on the battle field or following armies and eating their dead (no doubt why they're birds of ill omen!). So maybe it's a sign of an impending battle or a particulary bloody battle/attack that has just taken place leaving many unburied corpses?
The third line is self-explanitory and implies to me a very religous people, something North Koreans don't seem to be. I'd think a Palestinian or Israelite is more likely to do. Perhaps it isn't religous and is people crying for aid that is beign airlift after or before the disaster, in which case it fits North Korea very well.
The last line tells us that the people (Civilians?) crying for help are in a walled town or city and will be calling for assistance when the fighters approach it.
Conclusion:
A group of people that could be classed as fugutives by Nostradamus' standards will be assaulted from the air (cruise missiles perhaps?). The dead will be so numerous that flocks of birds shall be fighting over the flesh, or it will be obvious that an impending battle is coming that shall bring such a disaster on the people. The citizens (perhaps the fugutives that have been attacked?) shall pray to the heavens for intervention, but it seems more likely they're requesting aid airlifted or military air support. Due to the fact that either the enemy is approaching their town/city, or that the two combatants have brought their fight to within close proximity of their town/city.
I hope something happens that fits soon, otherwise all these business people will stop employing me!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I can buy unusually large sun flare activity, which could conceivably knock out power, fry computers, cell phones, etc. But, then, people claimed civilization was all going up in flames on Jan 1, 2000 as well. And that didn't work out quite like some thought it would. Unless you were selling Y2K survival kits, in which case, you probably made a killing of easily frightened yokels. My roommates at the time went off on some religious inspired Y2K apocalypse hysteria fueled by the ones ultra-Christian parents. Her parents sold off their house, cars, her fathers very successfully construction business, and bought some shack out in the woods in Iowa. My roommates bought into it fully, and bought absolute shitloads of the stupidest stuff ever. Robitussin, tylonol, and other craziness. Zero canned goods, though. Then they lit upon the idea that they might need water. I woke up in the middle of the night to them in the kitchen filling empty 2 litre soda bottles they'd collected for a month or two full of water, and bleach. Not bleach tablets, mind you, but good ole Chlorox bleach. To keep the water from going bad, they said...
Last I heard, the world didn't so much as burp, let alone end. Sadly, I never got a chance to cackle whole heartedly in their faces after the fact. Perhaps this was what the Mayans meant???
All this time I've been trying to find a cheap way to purify my tap water. Who knew I could just throw some bleach in it.
Well I'm rather disappointed that no-one here has mentioned my favourite seer, Nostradamus. Nostradamus is a bit of a hobby of mine, I enjoy his quatrains and making sense of them. Was he really able to predict future events? Was he just lucky? Is it that his quatrains are so vague they can neatly be translated to fit thos future events? Or is it abit of all three? Well I don't really care as it's just fun to readf and translate it, so what does he say for 2011-2013? Well after reading through I came up with a two quatrains that fit neatly into the solar flare/end of an age. I also have a quatrain on the death of the pope in 2012. 2011 End of Age/effects of global warming or solar flare? Mer par solaires sevre ne passera (The sea chastened by the sun shall no longer pass). Ceux de Venus tiendront toute l'Affrique (The heat of Venus shall harry Africa). Leur regne plus Saturne n'occupera (Saturn shall no longer measure its reign). Et changeraq la part Asiatique (The Asiatic part shall change). The most interesting part is line 3, Saturn being Kronos the god of time. Perhaps Nostradamus was predicting the end of a golden age with the these weather changes, although Saturn was also the god of agriculture, so under the circumstances it predicts drought, famine due to high temperatures calling in an end to a golden age changing the climate of Asia (India maybe) permanantly? 2012 Pope dies Esleu en Pape, d'esleu sera mocque (An elected Pope, who is mocked by the electors). Subit soudain esmeu prompt et timide (Acts promptl, though briefly and timidly). Par trop bon doulz a mourir provocque (He is killed for being too good). Crainte estainte la nuit de sa mort guide (The night of his death, he shall fear the death of his guide). Nostradamus has many quatrains concerning the Papacy, this one is fairly self explainantory. 2013 Nuclear fusion/fission (nuclear subs perhaps), though it could fit the solar flare well. Par fouldre en l'arche or et argent fondu (Gold and silver are fused together by the devastating power of the Ark) De deux captifs l'un l'autre mangera (One is consumed/cannibalised by the other) De la cite le plus grand estendu (The leader of the city is stretched) Quand submergee la classe nagera (When the fleet travels beneath the water) Nuclear fusion or fission is my personal belief here with gold and silver being forced together. I believe Nostradamus describes the initiation of a Nuclear reaction taking place inside say a weapon, say uranium and plutonium being forced together by an initiater in a nuclear device. Though it could fit into nuclear fussion within the sun, the Ark being the not only the ultimate weapon but also a bringer of light (spiritual and physical). The city leader is put under great hardship by either event and a fleet is sent to to the city in intial relief efforts, perhaps some subs are close by and start the evacuation on citizens? Well it could all be bollocks but it's a fun passtime translating it and making it fit the events but if I did believe 100% in Nostradamus then I'd know the Mayans aren't predicting the end of the world. Since Nostradamus predicts it much later (even then it depends on your translation as to wether it's Armaggedon or not), and the Mayans were predicting an end of an age as Notradamus is. It seems the good times are over post 2012, but the Pope need not worry since he's gonna get assainated before then!
The one on nuclear fusion/ fision is to sketchy with the date give.. Any way you could connect it to a later date, closer to 2020?
I don't think Fusion will be used for much of anything till at least the early 20's.
I can buy unusually large sun flare activity, which could conceivably knock out power, fry computers, cell phones, etc. But, then, people claimed civilization was all going up in flames on Jan 1, 2000 as well. And that didn't work out quite like some thought it would. Unless you were selling Y2K survival kits, in which case, you probably made a killing of easily frightened yokels. My roommates at the time went off on some religious inspired Y2K apocalypse hysteria fueled by the ones ultra-Christian parents. Her parents sold off their house, cars, her fathers very successfully construction business, and bought some shack out in the woods in Iowa. My roommates bought into it fully, and bought absolute shitloads of the stupidest stuff ever. Robitussin, tylonol, and other craziness. Zero canned goods, though. Then they lit upon the idea that they might need water. I woke up in the middle of the night to them in the kitchen filling empty 2 litre soda bottles they'd collected for a month or two full of water, and bleach. Not bleach tablets, mind you, but good ole Chlorox bleach. To keep the water from going bad, they said...
Last I heard, the world didn't so much as burp, let alone end. Sadly, I never got a chance to cackle whole heartedly in their faces after the fact. Perhaps this was what the Mayans meant???
Ha! That's some funny stuff. I knew one guy who went off the deep end over Y2K. He blew a fair amount of money buying crap he thought he would need in the post-apocalyptic world. Then the dreaded day came...and went...and nothing happened. After listening to his paranoid bullshit for the better part of a year he suddenly had nothing to say and a garage full of useless crap (useless unless he wanted to mount an expedition into the Amazon rain forest or something). God it was funny.
Hey! Maybe things like this are all a conspiracy by the manufacturers of portable electric generators. They make a killing every time the world is supposed to end.
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Haha, in that case the world will never end because Africa will never be industrialized.
burn!
1. Mayans, Chinese, and the Greeks (oracles) all stated that on December 21, 2012 (their equilivants of December) will be the last day of this age. All three civilizations stated this hundreds of years apart, thousands of miles apart.
2. The Mayan calendar is so accurate it has 100% successfully declared the exact day of a Solar and/or Lunar eclipse to this day.
3. The Mayans in 700 AD declared the exact month, day, and year when the "paled skin bearded Gods will come to them and wreak vengeance." That day, Cortez appeared on the shores and eventually whiped out their civilization.
4. Nasa has declared that in December of 2012, we will experience a complete and utter solar flare storm that happens once every 10,000 years. The solar flares are supposed to be so great the magnetic bands around our Earth will temporarily go crazy and any electromagnetic type of equipment will burn out (cell phones, computers, etc)
5. Once every 250,000 years our Earth, Moon, Sun, and the black hole in the center of our galaxy aligns itself. On December 21, 2012 these planets and entities will again line up. Scientists aren't sure what will happen but some suggested anywhere from typhoon like conditions to our surface crust being turned lopsided (meaning... the Poles will become the equator and vice versa) in the matter of days or even hours.
6. According to Nasa, around December 21, 2012 we will experience a very near miss of an asteroid as well as other near collisions of a couple more asteroids dating from Sept of 2012 and the end of December 2012.
But do your own research and draw your own conclusions
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA numbers 4, 5 are complete bullshit, if NASA could predict solar flares, how come were not exploring the outter reaches of the universe. Umm, lets see here, where to start...... Propulsion Systems are a completely different catagory of research than the observation of interstellar "Weather". Developing an Engine to get to the "Outer Reaches of The Universe" is a whole lot harder than creating a Teloscope that can see that far and studying it for a few years. WOW, they aline exactly, theres a black hole in teh center of our galaxy, if there was one, wouldnt we theroretically be going in slow motion or something. Time Dialation would only occur in a much closer proximity. The center of the Galaxy iis trillions of miles away. Thus, a Black Hole's Gravity (Even one of the size supposedly in the Middle of our galaxy, which is quite large) would have minimal effect on us. MAybe we are anad we just dont know, LINK PLEASE!!!! I believe if you had read the thread you would have already seen quite a few of the Links Enigma gave you.
As for my opinion, if it happens it happens, all I know is I've got one hell of a party scheduled for December 20th 2012.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
show me where anyone BUT the mayans predicted the world to end in 2012.
mmmm yeeeah, thats greeat, a little to the left would be greeeat, ::sips coffee mug:::
Show me where anyone's predictions of the world ending have come true.
And, for fuck sake, when did the word age come to mean the world? Of course, something as simple as the beginning of a new astrological age doesn't make for good Doomcasting headlines. Nor does it make a a multimillion dollar a year industry feeding off peoples never-ending fear of some impending apocalypse that never seems to come.
Show me where anyone's predictions of the world ending have come true.
And, for fuck sake, when did the word age come to mean the world? Of course, something as simple as the beginning of a new astrological age doesn't make for good Doomcasting headlines. Nor does it make a a multimillion dollar a year industry feeding off peoples never-ending fear of some impending apocalypse that never seems to come.
funny, coldmeat I was just about to edit my post and add that. 2012 is the dawning of a new age, the end of the jaguar the begining of aquarius or something, not the end of the world.mmmm yeeeah, thats greeat, a little to the left would be greeeat, ::sips coffee mug:::
2. I Ching, an ancient book of chinese prophesies ends on December 21, 2012. Book was written about 400 years before the Mayan calender was constructed and halfway around the world. Links:
3. The Greek prophetess of Delphi made hundreds of prophecies and was so revered by Michaelangelo, he painted her on the Sistine Chapel as seen here -->
Here are some links concerning her and 2012:
4. Web*Bots. A program developed by financial advisers and computer whizzes to predict outcomes of the stock market also has a tendancy of predicting other things. The program is self sufficient and it mysteriously abruplty stops on December 21, 2012.
5. The Papal Prophecies. St Malachai claimed to have had a vision in 1139 while visiting Rome and the Pope. He claimed God had given him a vision of all the Popes from the one he was visiting all the way to the very last Pope. The prophecies are public domain and can be read by anyone and it is an official recognized form of prophecies by the Roman Catholic Church. St Malachai was 100% dead-on on every single Pope. The current Pope is our last Pope. After this current Pope, it is said all hell will break loose. The current pope stated he received a Vision and that he reign will be nowhere near as long as the Pope John Paul.
6. The Bible Code:
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I don't think 2012 is the end of the world, I think that's a fallacy. As other's have stated, it's the end of the age. An epoch. I think that 2012 will be a time of either great destruction which will lead to great deliverance, or great destruction is impending on us, and by 2012, deliverance will have arrived.
It's a new era, not the end all of all.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
100% agree. It is not the end of the world.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
I heard once that the world will end once someone figures out what is really going on here, then it says that maybe someone allready did.
To me civilization is a house of cards, hard to build easy to blow down. Everyone thinks taht our society is invincible and that nothing could ever happen to it. Thats how the Romans thought as well. Marcus Aurelius in his book meditations says, that " if you look back over the past at the great nations that rise and fall, you can see the future too."
I think that without a doubt life as we know it will end. It happens to every generation. Who knows if the future will bring more dark ages or prosperity but in all of its vastness I have no doubt that intelligent life will see both wihtout end, as this is the nature of our demension that we find ourselves in.
mmmm yeeeah, thats greeat, a little to the left would be greeeat, ::sips coffee mug:::
You guys forgot the most important one.
In December of 2012 Chuck Norris will be 72 years old. His roundhouse kick will fail for the first time in history, throwing the universe into a strange space-time paradox where the Big Bang could begin to reverse itself.
(I thought this was a joke thread at first, but now that I realize it's serious, I think it's even funnier!)
- Phos
well we should also take into account that the christian calender is actually a few years off
although now that i think about it, the error most likely occured well before the europeans knew about the mayans so the pairing of the two calenders is probably accurate
Like I'm going to be able to do anything if it does? I play the odds, and in the event of world ravishing disaster I'll more than likely be killed outright. With that logic, I continue living as though life and civilization will continue forever. It's really all that you can do.
As far as the world ending in 2012..... nope. Apparently this is based on the fact that the planets and the sun will be perfectly aligned with the singularity at the center of this galaxy. This is an event that only happens every 28,000 or so years. Given that the earth is around four BILLION years old, humanity is three MILLION years old, and civilization can be traced back AT LEAST THIRTY THOUSAND YEARS, I can draw a few solid conclusions.
The idea that the world will end is highly unlikely. Then again, something may happen that will make life difficult and uncomfortable for us in the short term. More than likely a shifting of the poles or wot not. That is if anything happens at all.
My money is on the world continuing or me dying immediately at the point of doom. Either way, it affects my plans very little.
I can buy unusually large sun flare activity, which could conceivably knock out power, fry computers, cell phones, etc.
But, then, people claimed civilization was all going up in flames on Jan 1, 2000 as well. And that didn't work out quite like some thought it would. Unless you were selling Y2K survival kits, in which case, you probably made a killing of easily frightened yokels.
My roommates at the time went off on some religious inspired Y2K apocalypse hysteria fueled by the ones ultra-Christian parents. Her parents sold off their house, cars, her fathers very successfully construction business, and bought some shack out in the woods in Iowa. My roommates bought into it fully, and bought absolute shitloads of the stupidest stuff ever. Robitussin, tylonol, and other craziness. Zero canned goods, though. Then they lit upon the idea that they might need water. I woke up in the middle of the night to them in the kitchen filling empty 2 litre soda bottles they'd collected for a month or two full of water, and bleach. Not bleach tablets, mind you, but good ole Chlorox bleach. To keep the water from going bad, they said...
Last I heard, the world didn't so much as burp, let alone end. Sadly, I never got a chance to cackle whole heartedly in their faces after the fact.
Perhaps this was what the Mayans meant???
100% agree. It is not the end of the world.
Well I 100% disagree.
I think is just another mith and nothing will happen.
Wanna bet that in 2013 we will still be here talking about the end of the world in 2022, predicted by the Talibans?
C'mon there is no way anyone can predict 1.000 or 5.000 thousand years ago when the world will end, let alone being so precise.
With all our technology we cannot even agree when the world will end (or IF) if we don't start cutting our carbon footprint, how can a Iron age civiliation can predict something like this?
Believing so is like admitting that the Mayans were a much higher developed civilization than ours.
It doesn't really make sense............... really.
I agree that some kind of disaster will happen in the future, like it happened in the past (Aka the Ice Age), but I don't think we will be able to predict that kind of thing so precisily with our knowledge, let alone the Mayans.
Well I'm rather disappointed that no-one here has mentioned my favourite seer, Nostradamus. Nostradamus is a bit of a hobby of mine, I enjoy his quatrains and making sense of them. Was he really able to predict future events? Was he just lucky? Is it that his quatrains are so vague they can neatly be translated to fit thos future events? Or is it abit of all three? Well I don't really care as it's just fun to readf and translate it, so what does he say for 2011-2013?
Well after reading through I came up with a two quatrains that fit neatly into the solar flare/end of an age. I also have a quatrain on the death of the pope in 2012.
2011 End of Age/effects of global warming or solar flare?
Mer par solaires sevre ne passera (The sea chastened by the sun shall no longer pass).
Ceux de Venus tiendront toute l'Affrique (The heat of Venus shall harry Africa).
Leur regne plus Saturne n'occupera (Saturn shall no longer measure its reign).
Et changeraq la part Asiatique (The Asiatic part shall change).
The most interesting part is line 3, Saturn being Kronos the god of time. Perhaps Nostradamus was predicting the end of a golden age with the these weather changes, although Saturn was also the god of agriculture, so under the circumstances it predicts drought, famine due to high temperatures calling in an end to a golden age changing the climate of Asia (India maybe) permanantly?
2012 Pope dies
Esleu en Pape, d'esleu sera mocque (An elected Pope, who is mocked by the electors).
Subit soudain esmeu prompt et timide (Acts promptl, though briefly and timidly).
Par trop bon doulz a mourir provocque (He is killed for being too good).
Crainte estainte la nuit de sa mort guide (The night of his death, he shall fear the death of his guide).
Nostradamus has many quatrains concerning the Papacy, this one is fairly self explainantory.
2013 Nuclear fusion/fission (nuclear subs perhaps), though it could fit the solar flare well.
Par fouldre en l'arche or et argent fondu (Gold and silver are fused together by the devastating power of the Ark)
De deux captifs l'un l'autre mangera (One is consumed/cannibalised by the other)
De la cite le plus grand estendu (The leader of the city is stretched)
Quand submergee la classe nagera (When the fleet travels beneath the water)
Nuclear fusion or fission is my personal belief here with gold and silver being forced together. I believe Nostradamus describes the initiation of a Nuclear reaction taking place inside say a weapon, say uranium and plutonium being forced together by an initiater in a nuclear device. Though it could fit into nuclear fussion within the sun, the Ark being the not only the ultimate weapon but also a bringer of light (spiritual and physical). The city leader is put under great hardship by either event and a fleet is sent to to the city in intial relief efforts, perhaps some subs are close by and start the evacuation on citizens?
Well it could all be bollocks but it's a fun passtime translating it and making it fit the events
but if I did believe 100% in Nostradamus then I'd know the Mayans aren't predicting the end of the world. Since Nostradamus predicts it much later (even then it depends on your translation as to wether it's Armaggedon or not), and the Mayans were predicting an end of an age as Notradamus is. It seems the good times are over post 2012, but the Pope need not worry since he's gonna get assainated before then!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
You should read the prophecies of St Malachai. He was 100% dead on on every Pope he Prophesied about since 1139; even our last Pope (John Paul). He stated this Pope would be born on an eclispse in Poland and buried on an eclipse...it happened...just one example. According to St Malachai, this Pope we have now (Benedictus) will be our last Pope. We shall see
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Well I read some notes on that saints predictions and he doesn't predict the end of the world, nor does he state that this will be the last pope. The last pope is "Peter the Roman" however Malachy doesn't state as to wether there are popes between him and our present Pope Benedict. He states that Peter is the last Pope before "The final persecution of the Holy church", then he predicts the destruction of "The city of seven hills and the dreadful judge will judge the people". So he predicts the end of the Papacy and Rome and the people of Rome will be judge atleast (the world?) but by who exactly isn't clear.
As for Nostradamus he quite clearly predicts the present Popes death in 2012, however he predicts the election of a Pope from either Italy itself or Albania (depending on the translation) in 2046. But he's quite clear that the Papacy continues despite the many crisis he also predicts.
There's only one quatrain for 2007 though.
"Les fugitifs, feu du ciel sus les piques (fire from above will spike the fugutives)
Conflict prochain des corbeaux s'esbatans (soon the Ravens will start fighting)
De terre on crie aide secours celiques, (Earth-bound cries beg heaven for assistance)
Quand pres des murs seront les combatants," (when the combatants approach the walls).
Some attribute this to North Korea, but it seems that the middle east fits better.
The first line is simple, the only mystery being the identity of the fugutives. Palestinians perhaps? Or even Israelias?
The second line is a bit deeper and has a few translations. Ravens are birds of ill omen also they feed of human corpses, usually on the battle field or following armies and eating their dead (no doubt why they're birds of ill omen!). So maybe it's a sign of an impending battle or a particulary bloody battle/attack that has just taken place leaving many unburied corpses?
The third line is self-explanitory and implies to me a very religous people, something North Koreans don't seem to be. I'd think a Palestinian or Israelite is more likely to do. Perhaps it isn't religous and is people crying for aid that is beign airlift after or before the disaster, in which case it fits North Korea very well.
The last line tells us that the people (Civilians?) crying for help are in a walled town or city and will be calling for assistance when the fighters approach it.
Conclusion:
A group of people that could be classed as fugutives by Nostradamus' standards will be assaulted from the air (cruise missiles perhaps?). The dead will be so numerous that flocks of birds shall be fighting over the flesh, or it will be obvious that an impending battle is coming that shall bring such a disaster on the people. The citizens (perhaps the fugutives that have been attacked?) shall pray to the heavens for intervention, but it seems more likely they're requesting aid airlifted or military air support. Due to the fact that either the enemy is approaching their town/city, or that the two combatants have brought their fight to within close proximity of their town/city.
I hope something happens that fits soon, otherwise all these business people will stop employing me!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
All this time I've been trying to find a cheap way to purify my tap water. Who knew I could just throw some bleach in it.
Edit: Did you let them drink the water?
Wish Darkfall would release.
I don't think Fusion will be used for much of anything till at least the early 20's.
Wish Darkfall would release.
Ha! That's some funny stuff. I knew one guy who went off the deep end over Y2K. He blew a fair amount of money buying crap he thought he would need in the post-apocalyptic world. Then the dreaded day came...and went...and nothing happened. After listening to his paranoid bullshit for the better part of a year he suddenly had nothing to say and a garage full of useless crap (useless unless he wanted to mount an expedition into the Amazon rain forest or something). God it was funny.
Hey! Maybe things like this are all a conspiracy by the manufacturers of portable electric generators. They make a killing every time the world is supposed to end.
Dunno about all those theories , but i bet 2Moons still be waiting to go open beta.
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If this is true, then here's my logo on December 20th
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Just my 2 cents.
What if all those oracles kept their fingers crossed while making those predictions?
- Phos
Well... looks like I'm going to hunt for a hot, believe-in-mayan-bs chick on the 20th of December...
O'well.
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