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The real question is, how many AoC fans who have waited and then waited some more will be going to W

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  • TolwynnTolwynn Member Posts: 240

     

     

     

    even though EQ11 isnt out yet....I am still looking forward to EQ36, daoc7 and UO:2043

     

    honest!

     

     

     

     

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  • IAMTHEGAMEIAMTHEGAME Member Posts: 99

    Originally posted by Lucifrank

    I don't see why one has to exclude the other. I'm assuming this is an attempt to start a flame war between fans of either game? Both are strong IPs and both have their own rabid, loyal fan base. If upon release, one of these games is really disappointing, I'm sure there'll be an exodus from one to the other. I'm personally more excited for WAR, but if AoC looks appealing when it's released, sure I'd give it a shot. Would it dissuade me from playing WAR? Absolutely not. I'd like to remind anyone on either side who has their mind made up this early in the game of a little disaster that occured this past winter called Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
    I am actually glad you posted this because I just want to add now that this was not in anyway shape or form suppost to be a WAR Vs. AoC thread I just used WAR as the game I thought most people would be turning to.  But it can be anything other than AoC, meaning how many of us will have to fill that undying need for Digital Immersion with something other than AoC if AoC does get pushed back again and what are the opinions of everyone on just how many % wise will say a third postponement is enough for them?  And that their Demons need to be feed now?

     

     

     

  • AdythielAdythiel Member Posts: 726

    Is Funcom taking too long in releasing AoC? Who knows, they could be. They may have quite a few areas that still really need a drastic amount of work. Only Funcom knows. Are they overcompensating? Absolutely. When you have something like the release of Anarchy Online, it haunts you. And badly. I don't want AoC to flop. I want to see Funcom succeed. I know how much it can suck to have something you spent years working on, putting time, blood, sweat, and tears into end up going up in flames. I don't want to see that happen to anyone. But life isn't fair and it does happen. Far too frequently as of late.

     

    I can't blame Funcom for wanting to wait and make sure Age of Conan releases in the best possible state it can. If it takes them a bit longer to work out the kinks and problems, then by all means we should be encouraging them to take that time. I know we all want to be playing these games right now, I'm there with you. But to encourage publishers by saying things like I want this game to play right now and I am willing to pay money to do it sends the worst possible message we could ever send.

     

    We as players have real power. We are consumers. MMOs are developed to make money. Yes, there is a vision and a dream behind it, but the ultimate goal behind an MMO is to make money. The power we have is by not purchasing games that are broken, unfinished, laden with bugs, full of exploits, or any number of other problems. We need to get a message through to these publishers that we want games that are fun, engaging and most of all complete in a playable state. Our money is the only language that they understand.

     

    I respect Funcom for pushing AoC back. I have respect for Mythic pushing back the release of WAR to Q1 2008 so they can go back over the Dwarf/Greenskin areas and make them have a more Warhammerish feel to them. I have respect for Flying Labs Software for pushing back Pirates of the Burning Sea to ensure the game is what they've envisioned. I lost all respect for Brad McQuaid with Vanguard.

     

    But just because I respect Funcom doesn't mean I am going to jump right in and play AoC on release. They still have to prove to me they can release a stable, enjoyable game from the get go. I went back and played AO about 2 months ago. 4 hours into it, I experienced a lot of the same problems I had when I played in 2001. So they have to earn back my trust. They are showing they want to do this though by not releasing Age of Conan until they feel it is ready. Overcompensating too much? After having personally experienced the Anarchy Online fiasco, I can't say they are overcompensating too much. To release a second MMO and have it play out like Anarchy Online or Vanguard will have major repercussions that I don't even want to begin to imagine. Taking the extra time to release AoC is a good thing in my opinion.

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  • IAMTHEGAMEIAMTHEGAME Member Posts: 99

    Originally posted by Adythiel


    Is Funcom taking too long in releasing AoC? Who knows, they could be. They may have quite a few areas that still really need a drastic amount of work. Only Funcom knows. Are they overcompensating? Absolutely. When you have something like the release of Anarchy Online, it haunts you. And badly. I don't want AoC to flop. I want to see Funcom succeed. I know how much it can suck to have something you spent years working on, putting time, blood, sweat, and tears into end up going up in flames. I don't want to see that happen to anyone. But life isn't fair and it does happen. Far too frequently as of late.
     
    I can't blame Funcom for wanting to wait and make sure Age of Conan releases in the best possible state it can. If it takes them a bit longer to work out the kinks and problems, then by all means we should be encouraging them to take that time. I know we all want to be playing these games right now, I'm there with you. But to encourage publishers by saying things like I want this game to play right now and I am willing to pay money to do it sends the worst possible message we could ever send.
     
    We as players have real power. We are consumers. MMOs are developed to make money. Yes, there is a vision and a dream behind it, but the ultimate goal behind an MMO is to make money. The power we have is by not purchasing games that are broken, unfinished, laden with bugs, full of exploits, or any number of other problems. We need to get a message through to these publishers that we want games that are fun, engaging and most of all complete in a playable state. Our money is the only language that they understand.
     
    I respect Funcom for pushing AoC back. I have respect for Mythic pushing back the release of WAR to Q1 2008 so they can go back over the Dwarf/Greenskin areas and make them have a more Warhammerish feel to them. I have respect for Flying Labs Software for pushing back Pirates of the Burning Sea to ensure the game is what they've envisioned. I lost all respect for Brad McQuaid with Vanguard.
     
    But just because I respect Funcom doesn't mean I am going to jump right in and play AoC on release. They still have to prove to me they can release a stable, enjoyable game from the get go. I went back and played AO about 2 months ago. 4 hours into it, I experienced a lot of the same problems I had when I played in 2001. So they have to earn back my trust. They are showing they want to do this though by not releasing Age of Conan until they feel it is ready. Overcompensating too much? After having personally experienced the Anarchy Online fiasco, I can't say they are overcompensating too much. To release a second MMO and have it play out like Anarchy Online or Vanguard will have major repercussions that I don't even want to begin to imagine. Taking the extra time to release AoC is a good thing in my opinion.
    You are soo right Man.

    And I do agree and want all those things to.

    I believe AoC to be the game that is going to overtake Asherons Call for me personally.

    But the Wait, Dear God, the Wait.

     

     

  • LordRelicLordRelic Member Posts: 281

    I never say im going to be playing one game .. cause for me it dont work that way.. what ever looks good i get no matter how long i have to wait. if aoc comes out first ill get it first if it dont well ill get it when it does i wont dismiss it cause they wanted to make it better

  • TolwynnTolwynn Member Posts: 240

    I dont mind waiting for games...I think we all realize ( apart from online mmorpgs and such) that it takes a good 3-5 years to develop a game ..period. so delays are expected.

     

    imo...most all games get released..semi-finished ,...no?.

     

    if they didnt...we wouldnt have much to play on our PC's online..save for platform single player games or one of the shallow platform multiplayer online games.

    delays and less finished Online pc game releases will be the norm..foreva.

     

    otherwise..if a company tried to fully finish a game(which i beleive is impossible - especially online mmorpgs) ..they will turn around...and find out a new OS or DirectX version will have been released in the extra 1-2 years they took to release it,...and no-one will be interested in it.

     

     

    for the most part.

     

    Waiting for one game...wont `make` me buy another... but if buying another is an option in the meantime..im sure i would purchase the released one anyway.....b/c I KNOW the life of most modern mmorpgs, released or yet to be released, only have a lifespan on my hardrive of 1-2years anyway.(2 years, when the game starts to become lackluster anyway -  face it, Expansions are crap, period)....add that to the 3rd year+ : being mainly , standing around for no reason doing nothing but chatting and going thru-the-motions.

     

    for me....i just dont see picking up a released game now, will prevent me from buying another when im bored with the 'substitute'  in the normal time it would take for original company#1 to 'fix' their game anyway.

     

     

     

     

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  • darkcoud9darkcoud9 Member UncommonPosts: 126

    i'll be waiting for this game even if it gets pushed to 2008 the reason being simple..it'll be worth it.  Funcom wont just move it to 2008 for no reason, obviously there must be some problem with the game that they need to address and if thats going to make the game better in the long run then im up for it.  i wont be playing WAR, it might be an awesome game but im frankly fed up with the current system in mmorpg where u press 1,2,3,4,5 etc for skills.  AoC's twitch control system is whats got me hooked to this game along with an awesome guild community.  I think its the perfect recipe for the perfect game and if it takes another year for Funcom to perfect it then im going to be waiting......

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  • TolwynnTolwynn Member Posts: 240

     

     

    ^ ya..i was so-o-o-o into WAR(years agio....when the 'dot' net site was still up- 3+ years ago)...... but over the past year or two.....well..blah.

     

    but i think my kids will enjoy it!

     

    they looooove wow!

     

    so i guess thats good :)

     

     

     

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  • SolrekSolrek Member Posts: 63

    Originally posted by IAMTHEGAME


     
    Originally posted by Solrek


     
    Originally posted by IAMTHEGAME




    My opinion is Funcom at this point is taking WAY WAY WAY to long to release,


     

    I think it is strange that this site is covered by opinions like this. There is a generation obsessed with instant gratification being raised, they have no patience. I have about 12 games on my list to hold me over until Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, or Heroes Journey comes out. Seriously, who buys a products based on release date? I buy products based on quality...

    Actually, I think it is up to me to say when I feel I have waited long enough and do not wish to continue to wait, at least it was last time I checked.

     

     

     

    Are you saying you track the development and release time of every game and based on that decide whether to buy it? What is your limit for development time? How long before a game's announcement and its release before you cross it off your list? It is a very strange way to shop, please tell us more...


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  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188

    Im pretty confident that AoC will release as stated this year.

    Q1 '08 for War could mean anything... April '08? I mean they have shown hardly anything on the classes so far, so who knows when it will release, anyway. As for playing it - its not my type of game sorry, I only have the time to play one game at a time and Im happy to wait for AoC however long it might take just so long as it is finished. I am not a jump on the "lets play this game now" bandwagon type of person.



  • jaharjahar Member Posts: 234

    does your interest in the game disappear because they miss a deadline of a MMO by a few months? dont they all get pushed back? It  will still be conan in feb. right? and besides, release dates are pretty much just arbitrary guesses anyway.. i dont know why anyone would put much stock in them.. the game itself is the most important thing, unless, of course, they miss it by a few years.. but if you turn this game down because it comes out a few months later than they said, you'll be missing out, and you wil lbe passing up alot of other games as well

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    I will try it no matter when it releases. Will probably try WAR also when it releases. Provided they get good previews and reviews from reputable sources that is. If I read about them being buggy lag fests then I will pass.

    I miss DAoC

  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556

    Ok, right off the bat, I want to apologize for not reading the last two pages or so of this..my brain couldn't take it anymore.

    For the OP and those that agree with him....

    If AOC hasn't been released yet, or if it doesn't push in October, trust me, its for good reason. Your line of logic makes no sense what so ever. Do you think a company would purposefully NOT release a game without good reason? The longer they wait to release it, the more money they can potentially lose.

    With that said..no company is going to purposely chance losing money by NOT releasing a game just because they are SCARED to release 'cause they had an issue with a previous game.
    They will release it when its ready(hopefully) and not before.(hopefully.) Aren't you tired of crappy games yet???

    AS for what could happen.....Yes, if AOC does not release on time, and WAR somehow beats it out the gate (which I wouldn't hold my breath on) AOC could lose some customers to WAR.

    Gamers are impatient, they will play the first thing released, though if it sucks, you bet your arse they will play the next thing that comes out.

    Being first out does not necesarily mean you win.

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  • Playerh8erPlayerh8er Member Posts: 62

    LOL

    You'll play it.  Human psychology dictates that since this game has influenced you enough to take action and post on a pointless forum board about whether or not you're going to play, you will.  Combine that with the lack of other new MMO games scheduled for release any time soon I would estimate a 95% probability  that you will pay to play AoC at some point in the near future.   Regardless of when it releases or even how good the game actually is, your human curiosity coupled with boredom and a lack of an exciting real life will nearly ensure this investment.    

     I'm positiveFuncom's marketing executives are counting on it, and are probably counting thier money in advance as you read this.   I'f I'm wrong,  it's still a win for Funcom.   They loose one impatient customer, but gain the good publicity, and respect of the gaming community by releasing a finished product.  

     

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  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556


    Originally posted by Playerh8er
    LOL
    You'll play it.  Human psychology dictates that since this game has influenced you enough to take action and post on a pointless forum board about whether or not you're going to play, you will.  Combine that with the lack of other new MMO games scheduled for release any time soon I would estimate a 95% probability  that you will pay to play AoC at some point in the near future.   Regardless of when it releases or even how good the game actually is, your human curiosity coupled with boredom and a lack of an exciting real life will nearly ensure this investment.    
     I'm positiveFuncom's marketing executives are counting on it, and are probably counting thier money in advance as you read this.   I'f I'm wrong,  it's still a win for Funcom.   They loose one impatient customer, but gain the good publicity, and respect of the gaming community by releasing a finished product.  
     
    Politics are for people who can't wield a battle axe.
    Fighting solves everything. 


    Or.......He could just be really, really bored at work and killing time by pretty much answering something in every topic that comes up that is mildly interesting, even creating his own once in awhile out of curiosity....oh....wait...thats just me....carry on then!

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  • miatakamiataka Member Posts: 232

    Originally posted by daelnor


     

    Originally posted by Playerh8er

    LOL

    You'll play it.  Human psychology dictates that since this game has influenced you enough to take action and post on a pointless forum board about whether or not you're going to play, you will.  Combine that with the lack of other new MMO games scheduled for release any time soon I would estimate a 95% probability  that you will pay to play AoC at some point in the near future.   Regardless of when it releases or even how good the game actually is, your human curiosity coupled with boredom and a lack of an exciting real life will nearly ensure this investment.    

     I'm positiveFuncom's marketing executives are counting on it, and are probably counting thier money in advance as you read this.   I'f I'm wrong,  it's still a win for Funcom.   They loose one impatient customer, but gain the good publicity, and respect of the gaming community by releasing a finished product.  

     

    Politics are for people who can't wield a battle axe.

    Fighting solves everything. 

     



    Or.......He could just be really, really bored at work and killing time by pretty much answering something in every topic that comes up that is mildly interesting, even creating his own once in awhile out of curiosity....oh....wait...thats just me....carry on then!

    D.

    lol

     

    no no D.  you know I do that with you too !!!!!

    lol

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  • daelnordaelnor Member UncommonPosts: 1,556

    Heh, I'll be here for your reading pleasure every night on tha' midnight watch! Who needs loveline when you can talk to me! Muahaha!

    D.

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  • akayabotuakayabotu Member Posts: 2

    yus, if they release at aprox the same time, i'll go for Warhammer.

  • alyndalealyndale Member UncommonPosts: 936

    Originally posted by IAMTHEGAME


    Title basically says it all.
     
    My opinion is Funcom at this point is taking WAY WAY WAY to long to release, I have actively been following this game now for over 2 years and I have to say that they have till October 30th for me.  Another postponement will have me trying WAR or another promising game, one way or the other my wait is over on October 30, 2007.  I am done waiting.
     
     
    /Enter your comments and opinions here...
     
     
     
     
    Well, if you give up after Oct. 30th and turn to WAR, what makes you think that WAR will release as scheduled?  They have pushed back release of betas themselves more than once, I do believe....

    Basically, you're just going to have to "man-up"...be patient and enjoy your present MMO while these companies struggle with the market's high expectations on release...  The "Vanguard Effect" has been bad for new games, I can assure you.

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  • trajan22trajan22 Member Posts: 91

    regardless of release dates, i'll try both.  the dates of game launches do not affect me much.  there are plenty of other games to play. 

  • area84area84 Member Posts: 335

    I am waiting on AoC and am little concerned about WAR, I would like to try it but dont really care much about it. If AoC gets pushed back all it means is that they want to release a polished game thats ready to hit the shelves and I'd rather wait than get a game thats not finished like Vanguard.

     

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  • Eol-Eol- Member UncommonPosts: 274

    This is a silly thread. If a game is behind schedule, the developer has two choices: 1) release it before its ready, or 2) take more time and get it right. In today's market, choice 1) is suicide. Consumers want a polished, playable product out of the gate. 

    As far as people being 'done waiting', that is silly too. People who end up liking AoC and its approach will end up playing AoC, and people who like the Warhammer and its approach will end up playing Warhammer. Dont sit there and pretend you will keep playing an inferior game simply because it came out earlier.

    And if Warhammer appealed to you enough to even think about playing it, you would have probably given it a try at some point anyway. And hasnt Warhammer been delayed from its earlier schedule??

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  • SpankarooSpankaroo Member Posts: 21

    only an idiot would go to world of warcraft 2 presented by Mythic. Mythic has a far greater ability to screw up games than blizzard could ever hope to have.

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