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This thread is still kicking I see... Thought it was dead.
I think this thread is responsible for my entire post count.
I am indeed sad.
WAR is not WOW - http://javairasfolly.jandell.net/?page_id=377
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I don't think the OP is trying to flame. Let's be honest, when we all first saw WAR videos we ALL saw similar visuals that are seen in WoW! However, the gameplay is what seperates WAR from WoW. They are totally different in gamplay and numerous other features. I will admit, it is visually similar to WoW in many ways, but that is subject to opinion of course. I recommend reading more about WAR at their official site so that you can see the true differences.
First time I saw WAR, my thoughts were like "Oh! A phat l33t pvp killing game!!!" I don't relate any games to another, why? Because I know they are different.
It's really no wonder people compare things to WoW considering it's one of the most successful MMO's of all time. It's brought a lot of people into the genre that have nothing to compare but the first MMO they've ever played, WoW.
Then there are the people who've completely burnt themselves out within WoW. Perhaps when ever they see similarities within other MMO's they may be interested in, it can cause a level of frustration towards that particular game? Perhaps it brings back tedious memories from a game they've grown to despise?
There are many reasons people compare other MMO's to WoW, be it personal experience or otherwise. But the sad truth is, WoW's been institutionalized as a MMO cornerstone based on its success and there's nothing we can do about it be it ridiculous or not.
This song 'n' dance is beginning to grow as old and weary as WoW itself...29 pages and it's still gasping for air! The irony
I stand corrected then. No, I didn't read past page 8 actually. At that point I kinda figured the whole conversation was going in one direction and wouldn't really deviate much. And it also wasn't directed at you (otherwise I would have said "To the OP") but more at the idea you first put forth. Yes, I did sling mud, but I wasn't trying to attack a person, I was trying to attack an idea. Not very successfully, but still
Anywho, my apologies for my being an ass.
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It's really no wonder people compare things to WoW considering it's one of the most successful MMO's of all time. It's brought a lot of people into the genre that have nothing to compare but the first MMO they've ever played, WoW.
Then there are the people who've completely burnt themselves out within WoW. Perhaps when ever they see similarities within other MMO's they may be interested in, it can cause a level of frustration towards that particular game? Perhaps it brings back tedious memories from a game they've grown to despise?
There are many reasons people compare other MMO's to WoW, be it personal experience or otherwise. But the sad truth is, WoW's been institutionalized as a MMO cornerstone based on its success and there's nothing we can do about it be it ridiculous or not.
This song 'n' dance is beginning to grow as old and weary as WoW itself...29 pages and it's still gasping for air! The irony
I stand corrected then. No, I didn't read past page 8 actually. At that point I kinda figured the whole conversation was going in one direction and wouldn't really deviate much. And it also wasn't directed at you (otherwise I would have said "To the OP") but more at the idea you first put forth. Yes, I did sling mud, but I wasn't trying to attack a person, I was trying to attack an idea. Not very successfully, but still
Anywho, my apologies for my being an ass.
To wank, or not to wank. The ultimate MMO sacrifice.
It's really no wonder people compare things to WoW considering it's one of the most successful MMO's of all time. It's brought a lot of people into the genre that have nothing to compare but the first MMO they've ever played, WoW.
Then there are the people who've completely burnt themselves out within WoW. Perhaps when ever they see similarities within other MMO's they may be interested in, it can cause a level of frustration towards that particular game? Perhaps it brings back tedious memories from a game they've grown to despise?
There are many reasons people compare other MMO's to WoW, be it personal experience or otherwise. But the sad truth is, WoW's been institutionalized as a MMO cornerstone based on its success and there's nothing we can do about it be it ridiculous or not.
This song 'n' dance is beginning to grow as old and weary as WoW itself...29 pages and it's still gasping for air! The irony
I stand corrected then. No, I didn't read past page 8 actually. At that point I kinda figured the whole conversation was going in one direction and wouldn't really deviate much. And it also wasn't directed at you (otherwise I would have said "To the OP") but more at the idea you first put forth. Yes, I did sling mud, but I wasn't trying to attack a person, I was trying to attack an idea. Not very successfully, but still
Anywho, my apologies for my being an ass.
Only 8 more posts untill 300 ^_^. Wow sweeets, this is more hit than some of the stickies.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, The dreams in which I'm dieing are the best I've ever had.
or I could be just pulling your chain
I agree, WOW invented gaming and all games ever thought of since its creation have just been rip offs. All other gaming companies should just fold up and give Blizzard their rightful monopoly. They deserve it for creating the most original and innovative game in the history of human kind!!!
This debate is absolutely idiotic. It doesn't get more derivative than WOW. Aside from the look (which WAR had BEFORE Warcraft exsisted, much less WOW), I consider WAR to be more like DAoC. And that's fine with me.
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or I could be just pulling your chain
LMAO, I don't know about pulling but you certainly tickled something!!
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I have nothing against WoW whatsoever, but I do feel it's completely ruined any hope for MMO's. Before the onset of WoW just a small number of titles were released, and people would flock to whichever title suited their playstyle: DAoC being my game of choice, of course! For the most part nobody was bashing each others games, or claiming game X is exactly like game Y, or wondering if new game Z is going to be like game Y etc...
It is in my opinion that every single MMO released from now on, weather it be a fanstasy, space, steampunk, or anime mmo, will be compared to WoW, and no game will be able to escape this comparision. The other issue being that WoW players are going to want to play a game that feels like WoW, while WoW haters are going to want absolutely no resemblance to WoW whatsoever. This inevitably is going to lead to the "forum wars" for all these new games of WoW haters vs. fans, and these wars are going to drive a lot of the playerbase away with false information, bashing, and general negativity. Which is a shame since so many of these games, like WAR, look so fantastic and are so full of potential but just everyone simply can't stop the continual comparisons to WoW.
In fact take a look at the topics in this forum alone, there are more topics and posts about WoW than WAR itself, and that holds true for so many forums on this website, it's pretty ridiculous.
Ultimately this hurts the game as nobody will ever be pleased with the product, and no matter what the developers do they won't be able to avoid WoW haters bashing their game for being like WoW, and on the same token they won't be able to draw the WoW fans since in trying to be different the game falls out of WoWs comfort zone.
Honestly WoW didn't invent or implement a single "revolutionary" idea. The simply rehashed a couple successful aspects of a few games to create the accessible playstyle of WoW. So when a game finally comes out with a truly revolutionary and genius idea, it will fall victim to the WoW comparisons and eventually be beaten in to submission by the masses.
I'm hoping for the sake of WAR that for the first couple months there is no general chat channel, because I can already see the WoW comparing/bashing/WOW TEH WIN spam right now.
Honestly, it's a sad state for MMOs right now, and all of the WoW this WoW that really hurts the immersion in to the games. I humbly request for the sake of gaming that if you're going to be in on a discussion for a certain game, just to refrain from WoWifying every aspect of it and allow the game to run its course in to our gaming world.
Honestly, end the madness!!
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And WAR uses WoW's originals HP and Mana system!!! It HAS to be a rip-off!
If you check that last WAR trailer you'll notice that even the health bars are RED!! Such a WoW rip-off!
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Paul distracted Blizzard guards with his pimped sunglasses and flailing limbs, while Jeff Hickman snatched it and ran. Never mind that they are using the Gamebryo engine. Never mind that you have no idea what an engine is and are confusing engine with style, two things that are quite independent.
You are also right that this is the exact same game. I mean, it is only logical to copy another company because that clearly would be a clever idea, and assuming anything less would be downright moronic - you avoided that pitfall.
If you want to find out why it is different, go read a zillion threads that try to explain why, or go to a zillion fan sites and read the literature and watch the movies. If you do not want to do this, then you can be content with your opinion that WAR is the same as WoW and need not worry any longer, because you have already come here with a closed mind, evidenced by hastily drawn conclusions based on minimal information - no one will change that.
The information is out there, you are just too lazy to go find it, which basically makes this a troll.
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WAR and WoW are both MMOS with D0rfs, Elves and Orcs... neither game created D0rfs, Elves or Orcs so neither game can copy each other in that respect.. the story of the two games are vastly different.. however if you had to push me I would say WAR did Copy WoW in regards to the MMO arena for the simple fact WoW came first.
As to the Visuals of both games, Mythic/EA might be-able to claim right to the term "relam vs relam" but they cannot claim right to a visual art style. beside Warhammer has about a dozen art style depending on where you look.
Warhammer MMO at the time of WoW's release looked like this:
Then It was canceled and given to Mythic and it looks like this today:
Was the original WAR dropped and given to mythic due to WoW's sucess with "non realistic" gfx, because at the time of WoW's release MMO devs thought realistic gfx was the only way to go? Or was this going to happen either way... we dont know.
Maybe Blizzard built a TIME MACHINE and went forward in time, and WoW is ACTUALLY ripping off WAR??
Ever think about that?
that first SS looks like LOTRO imo
(lol)
The only thing War will be ripping off of WoW is its subscribers. Ripping them from WoW's grasp! lol
If anything WAR's endgame is going to wipe the floor with WoW's 4-23897423 hour raids.
...hopefully
WAR is just goona replace WoW's PvE endgame grind with a PvP endgame grind. Both become tedious after a while.
WAR ripped off WoW's 'W'... I'm unimpressed! 25 other letters in the alphabet and they had to use the W! How bloody dare they! Those unoriginal bastards
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You fail to realize that WoWs end game is PVE while WAR is PVP, what that means two whole different crowds of people. Stop making posts like WAR will kill WoW, it isn't even out yet. Same stuff people used to say about Vanguard and look how it turned out. Majority of players that play WoW are pve lovers and people who love pvp will be more attracted to WAR, so there everyone is happy and gets what they want.
And if you think WARs end game wont be grindy? Mabye you need to play more MMOs because when you do, you realize that no matter what the name of the MMO they are all grindy because if they werent the developing companies would go bankrupt.
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WAR is just goona replace WoW's PvE endgame grind with a PvP endgame grind. Both become tedious after a while.
ye all games get boring after a while
but pvp encounters are never the same... pve boss fights are always the same
From a historical point of view Warcraft was originally intended to be Warhammer, but Games Workshop withdrew the license, Blizzard changed the name and lore and released their own game instead. Or so the story goes - correct me if I'm wrong. All in all, discussing this is like banging your head into something solid until you either get a headache or pass out...
Come to think of it, Blizzard made The Lord of the Rings back in the day too. It was one of their first games, if not the first game.
This urban myth again.. theres is no proof WC was ever ment to be WH or that blizzard was in talks in GW.. please dont spread what "could" and more than likey is a lie... after all why would GW turn down a game like WC1 its a smash hit.
I have even seen crap on here posted by clueless ppl who said Starcraft was ment to be WH40k but it was turned down by GW.. ROFL.