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We got to stop leting them get away with this
Xbuster231
Member Posts: 39
in Tabula Rasa
Puting out horrible games with a big lack of content ,and bugs, so many people seem to just buy it to get their "new mmo" fix then quit it after a month or two, meanwhill the devs start seeing this and just puting out trash after trash after trash so they can just to get a quick buck, in the same time wasting all of our time with crappy games like Tabula Rasa
I for one will be puting my foot down this time, i will not buy this game to get my fix, even though WoW sucks so much ass I will just have to live without untill something good comes out, like Warhammer or age of conan (hopefully)
Will you join me?
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Aye! I agree there
Nothing really new, that hasn't been rehashed before...I'm disappointed really. I want it to be better than it is, but oh well. Not at this current state. I'm hoping Warhammer Online is going to be enjoyable. From all I've read and seen, it seems it will.
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Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
Well Said !!! u dont like it Dont Buy it... Tired of ppl that Flame every New game that comes out Before They Play The Final release and see what the game has to offer...
Name me one GOOD pvp game except daoc.
None, so yes warhammer will be revolutionary.
DAOC?? Please.
There are plenty of gankageddon games out there. The best PvP I've seen thus far is the Battleground and Arena PvP in World of Warcraft. You just can't touch that. I'll be getting into the Lotro PvP shortly, and I'll update you.
But Warhammer is nothing but the same old pablum recycled. It's all been done before, and as far as the Fantasy Sword and Sorcery genre goes, it is highly unlikely anything will ever surpass World of Warcraft. They have that whole genre down cold and hard, and nobody will ever beat it.
Tabula Rasa represents a departure from that. A well needed departure, that takes into account the changing landscape of the MMO gamespace, and the waning of the days of Raid Mentality.
I think the big problem is that they tell you about a game two years before it comes out, It would be fine with me if they tell you about AoC and warhammer two months before. Vanguard is the only game that should have not been released at all. Lotro had a good start, And TR will be good too, as far as being ready.
I like TR
We are stopping them. What so many mmo makers fail to understand is the word of mouth matters more than any other kind of ad and that your first few months out of beta will make or break your game. If your game comes out all buggy with low content, there are people you will lose who will likely never be back and will warn away anyone who will listen. Its better to spend the money and have the game as good as you can make it or don't bother making it in the first place.
Exactly. You push out crap and the community is going to call you on it. Unfortunately, then the community turns around and buys it anyway. If we keep supporting this business model with money the developers will keep serving up "investor returns crap" or IRC.
Eve Online ! wipes its butt with anything out at the moment.
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
Who gives a crap about setting when what really makes a game, is the gameplay? Orcs and Elves, Aliens and Humans, Minotaurs and Greek Gods, I don't give a rat's ass. I want a game that plays as fun as God of War, without getting repetetive. I wanted that in Tabula Rasa. Boy was I wrong.
bwahahahahahaha.... ohh wow.. thats funny! You are being sarcastic right?.. WOW PVP is the best? Ohh yay lets play the same battle ground maps over and over and over. Ohh lets duel full group vs full group in the arena's. World pvp.. give me a break. Don't even get me started on BG rewards
I cant think of another successful game that has 3 full zones with 8? keeps and 32? towers each zone that you can catapult, trebuchet, ram, and destroy, not to mention destroying and taking keeps give you a tangible reward. What other game has 2 relics per realm that grant you powerful attributes that is higly coveted to steal. Cant forget the battleground every 10 levels. Darkness falls PVP dungeon, anyone?
Do the math.. there sounds like alot more pvp possibilities and tactics and pvp things to do in DAOC than WOW.
With warhammer at least Mythic has 5 years of PVP centric experience under their belt.
EVE is another game that does PVP real well, only because the PVP is what the players make it, whether its station warfare, open warfare or pirate running.
On the not of tabula rasa and originality, frankly the concept of originality in games now days is kind of moot. All games use other games ideas and then improve on them, with "some" brand new things. The problem I find now days is publishers want the game out, developers says ok, but its gonna be buggy and incomplete. They request more people to get it out by then and in better shape and pub's say sorry charlie. Then they chalk it up to, "well its an MMO its practically done, lets get some revenue coming in first then we'll worry about it."
Fact is my friend, you can picket all you want. It's not going to do anything, its the way of the industry now days. If you wait for a game that releases near perfect, your gonna be waiting a long.. long time.
P.S. If someone comes in to comment.. "But WoW release was flawless." do yourself a favor and learn the facts and get real. You'll help yourself out in the long run
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Played (In order of favorite first to least): DAOC, EQ2, EVE, WOW, Vanguard, AC2, City of __, Guild Wars, LOTRO, EQ, Sword of New World, FFXI, Lineage 2, Second Life, DDO, Anarchy Online, RF Online, Archlord, Uru, Ragnarok Online, Shadowbane, Planetside, Auto Assault, Ryzom, Matrix Online, Horizons, Entropia, Sims, Runescape, Lineage 1, AC1, Dungeon Runners
What?Just because you don't like the game, you're going to encourage others not to play it?
Who the heck are you to decide what's a good game and what's not? If I like a game, I'm gonna play it whether you decide it's decent to play or not.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
DAoC = the BEST RvR/PvP hands down even though the game is getting older, still a good game to play. (I love the castle sieges!)
WoW = the WORST Community ever, that is, if there is a Community in that Grindfest of a game. PVP is pretty lame with BGs (same ole stuff) its unfortunate, pre-bg's was pretty damn fun in WoW. BG's killed that type of MMO game. (Still pretty lame at this point) However if you like Raids and PVE. By all means, its a excellent game.
Eve Online = the BEST PVP all around (however dont look for swords or wizards here) (Still Kicks Ass for PVP)
SWG = IMHO one of the BEST MMO Communitys. PVP is pretty tight, but not what it used to be. Still a pretty decent game for PVE/PVP (Pre-CU kicked ass though, but learned to live in the new SWG setting now)
These are pretty much the 4 I have played with alot of hours behind me. All the MMOs I have mention are just personal bias, so I know there are different strokes for different folks.
Good points or not, it's hard to rally behind someone who sounds (and writes) like a six-year old throwing a tantrum.
Dude, you are preaching to the choir here for the most part. This game is going the way of Auto-Assault, which is actually starting to look more compelling. You are right on one thing, we simply don't need more of this garbage. There is a reason you see many posts stating, "I'll play a few months after launch." It's because we are being spammed with bad game after bad game. Luckily I learned this lesson several years ago, but I am starting to feel sorry for those that insist on launch day prices.
Worse, there are so many good games out there, two years and older, that are worth so much more attention than trash like this. If you insist on sci-fi, then check out EvE or Ryzom. If fantasy, check out a multitude of wares. This game is basically SWG's current combat system without player housing, meaningful crafting, space, or necessary grouping.
Seriously, if this is the AI that took over the world, we really need to develop a new gun, because we were killed by complete noobs.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Just because you don't like the game, you're going to encourage others not to play it?
Who the heck are you to decide what's a good game and what's not? If I like a game, I'm gonna play it whether you decide it's decent to play or not.
No, I think he's trying to encourage others to not purchase MMOs upon release that, according to the beta testers, are too bug-ridden and shallow (not all content in-place) to merit your hard-earned dollar.If that's the case, then I agree with him. If NCSoft comes out with a multi-game subscription pass, I'll buy this game, but definitely not until I hear it's a bit more mature.
MMO games played or tested: EQ, DAoC, Archlord, Auto Assault, CoH, CoV, EQ2, EVE, Guild Wars, Hellgate: London, Linneage II, LOTRO, MxO, Planetside, SWG, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WWIIOL, WOW, Age of Conan
Yeah well i agree that Tabula Rasa for the hype and quality it should have is crap. Its a fun shooter im sure, hell im still playing it also. But its a game that is fun only for one run through and probably not even till the end for many people coz of its repetition.
What else is there to do besides doing the same thing over and over in a new scenerey ? Nothing really. There's no other content besides shooting for the duration of 50 lvls with the same weapons , hardly distinguishable classes and way untested/unbalanced boring skills.
So yeah this game is trash. Hell there's been other games that failed misserably at launch but had way more content then this game lol.
Im sure tabula rasa will do well for a while, its a SCI FI setting and many people love to run and shoot. Just the game's live will be very very short most likely.
Even worse is there's no room for anything but the current state of the game. Grouping ? In instances , sure.. Outside instances ? No way, there's to many monsters constantly being agro. If they'd make the monsters tough enough for grouping the soloplayer would be unable to solo.
PVP ? Sure... Itll be fun pvp while a zillion other mobs shoot you , stun you, knockback you. NOT. The current zones as far as i could see arent really made to be pvp'd in. Assuming you are in a zone for your own lvl. They'd have to redo the zones, or add new ones or make the pvp instanced which is boring.
The game's setting as it is made although unique and in a way fun leaves very little other content to be added.Besides, for a so called next generation game where's the old generation features that should be in any new generation game ? Better ui, mail system, auctionhouse (maybe), etc etc.
Im not saying if you buy the game you wont have fun. Oh you will have fun, just itll get old fast coz the only content you get is what you see right there. This game is a bad product for asking a monthly fee for it. Its simply a ripoff. All the content dev's show in their video games make you think woahh this game rocks !! To bad all that content they show is what you see within the first 10 lvls and thats about it lol.
Im not even sure what exactly this game is aimed at. I believe its aimed for pure solo play yes but maybe a quick rush game then move on ?
And yeah DAOC pvp was the best ever period. The thrill of a whole realm rushing for defending the relic and a keep takeover raid and standing there with 100 man on the walls of a huge keep defending against 100+ more attackers. Nothing beats pvp'ing like that, nothing even comes close to such great pvp. The feeling of unity was unique in DAOC.
Im not so sure about Warhammer being mythic's game will deliver a great pvp game though. I have the feeling they will cater for the same casual market as almost all other games have done after WoW and so keep things simple without to much complexity thus destroying the feeling you had in DAOC pvp. Warhammer's goal is after all getting a huge playerbase and that means drawing in the casual player, not the hardcore. Im sure the pvp will be alot more fun at least then pvp in other new mmorpgs but i have my doubts itll be all that great.
Wow pvp sux royal ass. Its made for enjoying your class, nothing more. The goals are to simple and nothing ever changes. There's no surprises, no diversity. WoW pvp is purely aimed at the casual pvp'er and drawing in new pvpers. The goals are aimed at getting tokens to buy a new item, nothing more. Nonetheless wow's pvp is very succesful and popular for the simple reason it gives casual non pvp players the chance to try pvp and actually have fun doing it by keeping it very simple with no real depth. To much depth would scare away players that would normally never pvp.
Don't make me laugh. Have you even played other MMOs? Have you played any other games AT ALL?! Everything associated with WoW is such a joke. Even Arena PvP has been reduced to ganking, with geared up people reforming teams to reset their scores on purpose, so they can "pwn nubs" on the people who are just starting.
The battlegrounds aren't half bad, except for all the retards who want to lose on purpose because "it's faster."
DAOC?? Please.
There are plenty of gankageddon games out there. The best PvP I've seen thus far is the Battleground and Arena PvP in World of Warcraft. You just can't touch that. I'll be getting into the Lotro PvP shortly, and I'll update you.
But Warhammer is nothing but the same old pablum recycled. It's all been done before, and as far as the Fantasy Sword and Sorcery genre goes, it is highly unlikely anything will ever surpass World of Warcraft. They have that whole genre down cold and hard, and nobody will ever beat it.
Tabula Rasa represents a departure from that. A well needed departure, that takes into account the changing landscape of the MMO gamespace, and the waning of the days of Raid Mentality.
To think WoW PvP is better than DAoC's, let alone any other game with decent PvP, is a crock of shit. Your entitled to your opinion of course, but if you honestly think this then I can safely assume you don't have a lot of MMO experience. A large assumption, but I'm going to make it.
Sadly it seems the old Mythic team is gone, and replaced by the brand new AWESOME EA Games Mythic. Boy oh boy can't wait for WAR! >_>
GRAPHICS
Graphics are mushy and bland, and look like it came out of that crap xbox360 game Crackdown. I have a NVIDIA 7950, and let me tell you, i could run it on Ultra high, and have glitchy movement(still bad graphix) and i could run it on very high, have it be smooth as ever, and it would still look bad. Graphics however are not TREMENDOUSLY bad, but i just cant stand them. Graphics 2/5
COMBAT
Everytime you shoot your gun, it doesnt even feel like your shooting him. Theres little to no blood splatter that i am aware of. Also, theres some lack of guns. As opposed to other MMO's(and i know TR is trying to set a benchmark), TR offers only 3 guns playable at lvl 5, and maybe 2 more when your at lvl 10. The good thing however, is that during combat you can move around as you please, and select your different guns to fit better roles for the situation your in. However, only getting to lvl 10, i feel that TR has a LOT more in store for weaponry and logo's skills. SPEAKING OF LOGOS SKILLS! These skills are like a rip off of the force from star wars, however, TR gets away with it by switching it up a bit. However, combat can feel dull sometimes, and it still makes no sense to me why melee does more damage then a 3 gauge super charged shotgun. WHATEVER though! Combat 3/5
ARMOR
Good thing about armor, is looking at NPC's armor and wishing you can have that. Guarenteed, you probably will be able to in the near future. Bad thing about armor is, EVERYONE LOOKS THE SAME! Well not really. TR offers you, as a mission gift, 10 color changing dyes, to change the color of your armor. Now although the armor is like WOO HOO pretty colors, theres just not enough armor to differentiate everyone! However, only getting to lvl 10, i can assume that THIS WILL ALL CHANGE!!! Armor=3/5
FEEL OF THE GAME & ENVIORNMENT
Game feels great, hidden caves and Bane constantly attacking your bases make you feel your there. 5/5
TOTAL SCORE 13/20
In response to the OP, i will not be a subscriber of this game either. I also think this game will have serious competition in terms
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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
Man I still can't figure out what you folks are complaining about. TR is the most fun I have had in quite some time. I was waiting along time for a game the could make me stop multi MMOing, and I do think this is the one. I was thinking VG was going to be it but it did not manage.
All I can say to everyone that has not played TR yet. Don't listen to anyone else, try it for yourself. Make up your own mind because while everyone on MMORPG.com is bashing it, the server is full of testers, on very high grqaphics settings the game looks amazing AND I have zero lag problems while running it that high. The combat is more fun and fast paced than anything I have played. And while people claim there is no group content, I have a ready made group in my house (3 kids, 16, 14, and 13) we are all playing so I am always in a group and we have a blast.
Make up your own mind, its easy to do and wont cost you a thing, just pre-order the game from bestbuy, if you dont like it you can cancell your preorder and get your 10bucks back (I asked them before I did it). Test the game yourself, because if you want my opinion, I love TR.
(My play style and games to qualify my opinions for you)
I play EQ2 now, 70 SK, only group with friends and family (remember I have a ready made group, my three kids and my wife play) I played UO when it started and quite when they went candyland. Then played EQ1 (SK also) Left EQ1 when DAoC came out (DAoC best game of all time in my opinion) I tried w0w but threw up im my mouth a bit when I tried to play. What I mean is I can NOT Stand w0w.
Hope that helps you put my opinion of TR in perspective.
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DAOC?? Please.
There are plenty of gankageddon games out there. The best PvP I've seen thus far is the Battleground and Arena PvP in World of Warcraft. You just can't touch that. I'll be getting into the Lotro PvP shortly, and I'll update you.
But Warhammer is nothing but the same old pablum recycled. It's all been done before, and as far as the Fantasy Sword and Sorcery genre goes, it is highly unlikely anything will ever surpass World of Warcraft. They have that whole genre down cold and hard, and nobody will ever beat it.
Tabula Rasa represents a departure from that. A well needed departure, that takes into account the changing landscape of the MMO gamespace, and the waning of the days of Raid Mentality.
Dude, do you even know what you are talking about?
DAOC a gankageddon game??? What are you smokin? Shadowbane, DAOC and EVE all have better pvp and pvp dynamics than WoW. WoW is kiddie pvp for carebears.
WoW has the genre down hard? Have you even played EQ2? EQ2's pve is as good as wow's or better. Dude you need to get some game playing experience under your belt, so when you post you don't look like you don't know what you are talking about.
The funny thing is, you probably played WOW for along time and enjoyed it. Since you quit you are now saying it sucks. The thing is you had your fill of WOW and grew tired of it but that does not make it a bad or sucky game. It's accually very fun for awhile but people grow tired of playing a game when you play it for so long. This goes out to anybody who played WOW and says it's sucks now.
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I never played UO but all I heard is good things from people who basically worship Garriot. I get to play Tabula Rasa finally thinking "This has to be good considering how many people are on this guys nuts." The game is horrible. I can't believe something as simplistic and boring as this came out from a veteran designer of MMO's and RPG's who has the gall to put the word "Lord" in front of his name.
Yeah, BG's are more often than not run by twinks at lower lvls. They have te slight edge.
Beyond grinding (which I feel can be done away with or hidden better), PvP is the other thing that throws me off in WoW. Pvp is so much better in other games. Too bad my friends aren't playing them tho. The pve tho is alright. I'm just burnt out on questing in MMO's mainly due to them being the same mindless thing one after another.
I guess the best part I like of any mmo is world pvp. Structered pvp comes in second if it's balanced. WoW fails at structered pvp imo. It seems to me that the folks with deeper pockets are gonna have a greater edge over the broke. Lvl plays an issue for me in balancing, Why?
In a game all about lvls and gear, why would you put in the option to join a 30-39 as a 30 or like 31? A 30 or 31 battling a 39 in this sort of game type(lvls and gear), you will clearly not stand a chance. Player participation over Equal field I guess.
Just doesn't make sense to me. I know it's an option to join, but why would I at 30 instead of 39 if it's more than a good chance you'll be facing higher lvl's? World pvp is more acceptable to me in this manner because to me it makes you feel like it's apart of the world environment. Eh, my opinion on that.