Originally posted by SpeedMann Originally posted by Xbuster231 Puting out horrible games with a big lack of content ,and bugs, so many people seem to just buy it to get their "new mmo" fix then quit it after a month or two, meanwhill the devs start seeing this and just puting out trash after trash after trash so they can just to get a quick buck, in the same time wasting all of our time with crappy games like Tabula Rasa I for one will be puting my foot down this time, i will not buy this game to get my fix, even though WoW sucks so much ass I will just have to live without untill something good comes out, like Warhammer or age of conan (hopefully)
Will you join me?
The funny thing is, you probably played WOW for along time and enjoyed it. Since you quit you are now saying it sucks. The thing is you had your fill of WOW and grew tired of it but that does not make it a bad or sucky game. It's accually very fun for awhile but people grow tired of playing a game when you play it for so long. This goes out to anybody who played WOW and says it's sucks now.
Wow, are we a head shrink? Funny thing is, you probably shouldn't try to explain the entire reasoning behind why others feel the way they do by reading one or two lines. You can't gauge peoples experiences like that. As perceptive as you think you can be, you have no clue.
This sorta reading into what you think may have been implied gets on my nerves just as much as when people say things such as "Most people feel this way" about any particular subject that arises. Individuals speak for themselves, not most or majority. To do this sorta thing I think you need to have some sorta position and can provide fact, not ur opinion or belief.
DAoC's PvP died 4 years ago. Now it feels just empty, buggy, slow, outdated, and full of losers who spend more time outside of the game perfecting their templates then actually playing it.
Man I still can't figure out what you folks are complaining about. TR is the most fun I have had in quite some time. I was waiting along time for a game the could make me stop multi MMOing, and I do think this is the one. I was thinking VG was going to be it but it did not manage. All I can say to everyone that has not played TR yet. Don't listen to anyone else, try it for yourself. Make up your own mind because while everyone on MMORPG.com is bashing it, the server is full of testers, on very high grqaphics settings the game looks amazing AND I have zero lag problems while running it that high.(Hmmm, what type of graphics card + ram do you have? Most people in the mmo community dont have video cards that are 7900s+,..... The combat is more fun and fast paced than anything I have played. And while people claim there is no group content, I have a ready made group in my house (3 kids, 16, 14, and 13) we are all playing so I am always in a group and we have a blast. Make up your own mind, its easy to do and wont cost you a thing, just pre-order the game from bestbuy, if you dont like it you can cancell your preorder and get your 10bucks back (I asked them before I did it). Test the game yourself, because if you want my opinion, I love TR. (My play style and games to qualify my opinions for you) I play EQ2 now, 70 SK, only group with friends and family (remember I have a ready made group, my three kids and my wife play) I played UO when it started and quite when they went candyland. Then played EQ1 (SK also) Left EQ1 when DAoC came out (DAoC best game of all time in my opinion) I tried w0w but threw up im my mouth a bit when I tried to play. What I mean is I can NOT Stand w0w. Hope that helps you put my opinion of TR in perspective.
---------------------------- Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before. It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance". You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary. Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online..... /sarcasm off
I totally agree myself with the OP, I will no longer buy into MMORPG's that lack that all important factor... "Fun" If I don't find it fun and players ask me to come back I'll just tell them to sod off, not only that though I am SICK of how static most of these games are, the developers just sit there on their arses after it's released waiting for the money to roll in, but they don't do anything to improve upon the game itself, thinking that a few bug fixes and area additions are going to cure all their woes. Why not do something like add factions? More dynamic NPC A.I? Actually put some bloody life into the games they make for once?! All this good easily reduce the 'grind' feeling you get in most MMORPG's now, I just hate how games with such potential just ruin it with these things, heck couldn't we even get a graphics update once in awhile? EVE Online and Jumpgate Evolution had the right idea with that, not only that though it keeps the old games popular because they're moving on with the times rather than just sitting still stubbornly.
I've gotten into games like Freelancer again which offer basic online play with player made servers, I have to say, I have not had this much fun playing a game in ages, I think it's pathetic that companies are getting away with this sort of thing, they need to stop bringing out such crap and thinking that we're going to play it.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I a beta tested several mmo's in my time but tabula rasa has a few things that i haven't seen but granted i can see where you come from it can be a bit repetitive and there are virtually no distinction between one commando from another but these are rather frivolous and vain to complain about they need a faster mode of travel cause walking takes so damn long a vehicle of some sort. there is also a point where enemies are immune to certain attacks that lighting attack you start with Dosen't effect certain creatures normal bullets or viral weapons maybe useless its not just the same weapon but different types of ammunition that help mix it. as far as futurist goes its a hard mmo theme to come by there are so very few but this game is in its bay stage and has plenty of room to grow so stop your belly aching after its first expansion it might not stand out very much you may lose interest after lvl 16 and the fact this is more of a shooter may appeal to the fps junkies out there pvp hasn't even been mention but you can duel since your up against a alien threat trying to obliterate all of mankind its pointless to even have pvp but no body said it will be just humans the foreans maybe added later hell even the bane might be playable who knows what they have in store keep an eye on this one it may just surprise you. wow is so over rated in my opinion its a good game... if your a child but for us grown ups may want something not over whelmed with 14 year olds warhammer looks like it will be awesome and hopefully the more grown up players will be there i liked tabula but they need to change up a few things the last update they had fixed granted this might turn out too be another auto assault but that was a great game it didn't have a lot of buzz about it if the game cant hold your attention past lvl 10 then your better off finding something else tabula may or may not but you at least have the option of exploring every branch with out back tracking too much so if you don't like one build try the other but trust me you have to try to stick around till lvl15 when you can choose another class if it still suck even with a rocket launcher in hand then friend there is no hope for you.
I was going to buy this game outright but I have seen too much bad press for me to do that now. The only way I will play this game will be on a demo and if that doesn't blow my socks off then I am going to kick it to the side and forget about. The next 2 years in mmo's is crucial for companies because the player base is on whole well informed and wont suck up revamped crapped out systems. Thats why WAR isnt tweaking my bells either. More orcs, elves, dwarves spanking each other for something close to useless.
Originally posted by chryses I was going to buy this game outright but I have seen too much bad press for me to do that now. The only way I will play this game will be on a demo and if that doesn't blow my socks off then I am going to kick it to the side and forget about. The next 2 years in mmo's is crucial for companies because the player base is on whole well informed and wont suck up revamped crapped out systems. Thats why WAR isnt tweaking my bells either. More orcs, elves, dwarves spanking each other for something close to useless. Waiting for AoC, PoTBS and some other hopefulls.
I agree. If it doesn't hit that ooh spot when I try it I will leave it alone. Same thing happened to me with other trials that I thought would be kinda energizing to me in regards to continued MMO play. LotRo was a huge one for me. But it's not any better than WoW to me. Same ol same ol. So I reactivated my sub with wow.
Not in beta nor do I hope to be. I just want something new and something polished. I hope TR delivers.
Man I still can't figure out what you folks are complaining about. TR is the most fun I have had in quite some time. I was waiting along time for a game the could make me stop multi MMOing, and I do think this is the one. I was thinking VG was going to be it but it did not manage. All I can say to everyone that has not played TR yet. Don't listen to anyone else, try it for yourself. Make up your own mind because while everyone on MMORPG.com is bashing it, the server is full of testers, on very high grqaphics settings the game looks amazing AND I have zero lag problems while running it that high.(Hmmm, what type of graphics card + ram do you have? Most people in the mmo community dont have video cards that are 7900s+,..... The combat is more fun and fast paced than anything I have played. And while people claim there is no group content, I have a ready made group in my house (3 kids, 16, 14, and 13) we are all playing so I am always in a group and we have a blast. Make up your own mind, its easy to do and wont cost you a thing, just pre-order the game from bestbuy, if you dont like it you can cancell your preorder and get your 10bucks back (I asked them before I did it). Test the game yourself, because if you want my opinion, I love TR. (My play style and games to qualify my opinions for you) I play EQ2 now, 70 SK, only group with friends and family (remember I have a ready made group, my three kids and my wife play) I played UO when it started and quite when they went candyland. Then played EQ1 (SK also) Left EQ1 when DAoC came out (DAoC best game of all time in my opinion) I tried w0w but threw up im my mouth a bit when I tried to play. What I mean is I can NOT Stand w0w. Hope that helps you put my opinion of TR in perspective.
GeForce 7900gt 256mg, 2gig system ram.
The game defaulted me to Very High (I think there is another setting higher than that, like Maximum or something I have not tried) I don't have any lag at all. And while graphics can be subject to preferance, I think the games graphics are top notch. I like EQ2 graphics though and I know some folks don't.
Man I still can't figure out what you folks are complaining about. TR is the most fun I have had in quite some time. I was waiting along time for a game the could make me stop multi MMOing, and I do think this is the one. I was thinking VG was going to be it but it did not manage. All I can say to everyone that has not played TR yet. Don't listen to anyone else, try it for yourself. Make up your own mind because while everyone on MMORPG.com is bashing it, the server is full of testers, on very high grqaphics settings the game looks amazing AND I have zero lag problems while running it that high.(Hmmm, what type of graphics card + ram do you have? Most people in the mmo community dont have video cards that are 7900s+,..... The combat is more fun and fast paced than anything I have played. And while people claim there is no group content, I have a ready made group in my house (3 kids, 16, 14, and 13) we are all playing so I am always in a group and we have a blast. Make up your own mind, its easy to do and wont cost you a thing, just pre-order the game from bestbuy, if you dont like it you can cancell your preorder and get your 10bucks back (I asked them before I did it). Test the game yourself, because if you want my opinion, I love TR. (My play style and games to qualify my opinions for you) I play EQ2 now, 70 SK, only group with friends and family (remember I have a ready made group, my three kids and my wife play) I played UO when it started and quite when they went candyland. Then played EQ1 (SK also) Left EQ1 when DAoC came out (DAoC best game of all time in my opinion) I tried w0w but threw up im my mouth a bit when I tried to play. What I mean is I can NOT Stand w0w. Hope that helps you put my opinion of TR in perspective.
GeForce 7900gt 256mg, 2gig system ram.
The game defaulted me to Very High (I think there is another setting higher than that, like Maximum or something I have not tried) I don't have any lag at all. And while graphics can be subject to preferance, I think the games graphics are top notch. I like EQ2 graphics though and I know some folks don't.
I have a newer system, so of course Im not having any type of lag issue. That being said, I do not understand how folks expect the video to look good for every type of vid card. My second machine has a GForce 6600GT, its older than my new Nvidia card an 8800 I turn down the graphics on the older PC and the game runs fine, it does'nt look as good but it works. I also noticed that when I bumped up the memory it works even better. These MMO developers have it tough, unlike Devs who make games for Consoles, they have to make their game work with thousands of different types of systems. So, what do we want, cartoon graphics like WOW or a game like Vanguard that taxes even the best of machines out there, what is middle ground to a community of folks that dismiss every new game out of hand?
But i cant see anyone NOT agreeing to the fact that Tabula Rasa brings very little entertainment value for a 13/15 euro a month pay to play mmorpg game.
Compare it to other mmorpgs that might have sucked at launch but at least gave more content. Tabula rasa simply has no content besides just lvling up and doing the same thing non stop from lvl 1 to 50. In the regard this game is simply ripping you off and laughing in your face.
People complain that the new standard has become first release and patch later. Well i dont think tabula rasa is even near that stage yet. So it this what we will have to accept as consumer ? That publishers can just put half complete games on the market and start asking a monthly fee for it ?
Its not only a rip off but its also a very bad example to other publishers what they can and cannot do, that is if many people will buy this game. Itll show other publishers that no matter how crap and/or unfinished your game is if you hype it enough you can at least expect a good initial amount of cash within the first few months after launch. Like tabula rasa's video's show what looks like super cool content but in fact isnt and all the stuff you see in the video is nice the first time you see it but the 2nd time you'll just keep on running past it, not to mention you see all that next generation content within the first 10 lvls of the game.
Check the video on this site on how revolutionairy this game is and how next generation garriot self says this game is and itll be an example of future mmorpgs to be. How deep the game is and how much content it has and how different the approach is to pretty much everything in this game.
It's simply all lies, this game is not next gen, its not next nothing. In the mean time they just hype it all up and lie to people and try to cash in on you. Why would you even want to defend such people ? Coz they sure as hell dont give a shit about you. It might have been a fun single player game but its nothing even close to an MMORPG you pay monthly fee's for.
Oh yeah its so next gen that in a future sci - fi game they didnt even get as far as getting a mail system etc in. And trust me they will patch in a mail system later. Why ? They didnt have the time, it just shows you how unfished the game is. This game is a plan gone really bad and it shows on all fronts. Its a shame for de graphic designers coz they put their best into it since i think its a nice looking game with good reactivity often enough.
I've been playing this beta for some time now and i can only say "TR is teh awesome!!" and this game actually gets interesting depending on how you play it and i've said this many times before DO NOT play this game like an MMO or your boredom level will rise like an exploding building.
And for what our topic starter was saying, i'm not really sure i understand cos we all know this game hasnt come out yet and for all we know the game could be up and running by the 19th with even better gameplay and loads of content. All i can say now is- i'll tell you how good it is when it comes out.
Originally posted by Alchemda bwahahahahahaha.... ohh wow.. thats funny! You are being sarcastic right?.. WOW PVP is the best? Ohh yay lets play the same battle ground maps over and over and over. Ohh lets duel full group vs full group in the arena's. World pvp.. give me a break. Don't even get me started on BG rewards
I cant think of another successful game that has 3 full zones with 8? keeps and 32? towers each zone that you can catapult, trebuchet, ram, and destroy, not to mention destroying and taking keeps give you a tangible reward. What other game has 2 relics per realm that grant you powerful attributes that is higly coveted to steal. Cant forget the battleground every 10 levels. Darkness falls PVP dungeon, anyone?
Do the math.. there sounds like alot more pvp possibilities and tactics and pvp things to do in DAOC than WOW.
With warhammer at least Mythic has 5 years of PVP centric experience under their belt.
EVE is another game that does PVP real well, only because the PVP is what the players make it, whether its station warfare, open warfare or pirate running.
If you define it on the point of a "successful game" then certainly DAoC provided the best PvP experience.
Otherwise, I would say that Shadowbane was honestly superior in that area.
The entire world is a PvP zone; all structures minus a few starting cities are destructible; all resources, buildings, markets, walls, guards, etc., minus those starting cities are created by the players. Players form their own nations and may attack and destroy other nation's capitals (or any player-made city for that matter).
It really is a pity that Wolfpack couldn't pull it off without a host of bugs, lag and issues with game mechanics (like allowing banes to go off just before server maintenance or the point and click movement which I personally despised).
The main difference for myself between Shadowbane and DAoC PvP was that the result of PvP sieges in DAoC was transitory. The reward was so-so overall and tenuous; one minute you had it, the next you didn't. Also, the races could become imbalanced pretty easily which led to a dominance on some servers of one race over another (Albions over Hibernians, Mids over Albions, etc.).
In Shadowbane, if you (and your nation) couldn't PvP, you stood to lose everything you worked for. If the Tree of Life in your capital city was baned and you failed to protect it, your nation fell and your guild was dissolved. You had to start all over again. Even if your Tree of Life (the core of planting player cities) wasn't baned, a rival nation could still tear down your walls, invade and just run rampant, destroying your assets at will, which was just about as bad when you consider that the vast majority of items players used were created there and the only real areas for adequate training were player cities. So if the training hall in your home city was destroyed, you were out of luck for training until you got another one built.
Plus, when you add in the dynamic of shifting player alliances and politics, it just made the PvP that much more interesting. One minute another nation could be your staunchest allies, the next minute they could be stabbing you in the back. It gave a lot more meaning to the PvP and added many moments of high drama.
I'm certain Warhammer will be a well-polished game and the PvP aspect will be very well developed; but compared to Shadowbane, I wouldn't consider it revolutionary.
edit: Forgot to add that Shadowbane had trebuchets, rams, etc., for sieges and certain classes/races had flight, which added an entirely different element where you had to defend from those with flight as well.
Abbatoir / Abbatoir Cinq Adnihilo Beorn Judge's Edge Somnulus Perfect Black ---------------------- Asheron's Call / Asheron's Call 2 Everquest / Everquest 2 Anarchy Online Shadowbane Dark Age of Camelot Star Wars Galaxies Matrix Online World of Warcraft Guild Wars City of Heroes
Yeah, I agree that Shadowbane prolly was the ideal PvP MMORPG, however, the execution was its shortcoming. Coupled in with the horrible interface, it didn't quite attract enough customers. The interface still baffles my mind...
ah sounds good. I never played shadowbane coz i read all the bad reviews about it being so buggy and imbalanced etc. Isnt that a free game nowadays or ?
Aye! I agree there Nothing really new, that hasn't been rehashed before...I'm disappointed really. I want it to be better than it is, but oh well. Not at this current state. I'm hoping Warhammer Online is going to be enjoyable. From all I've read and seen, it seems it will. Crow T
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
Listen up Moron- Warhammer has been around since the 70s and 80s pal. WOW ripped THEM off. Before you 'turn on' your sarcasm, check some facts. The only point you made is that you're a complete idiot.
Aye! I agree there Nothing really new, that hasn't been rehashed before...I'm disappointed really. I want it to be better than it is, but oh well. Not at this current state. I'm hoping Warhammer Online is going to be enjoyable. From all I've read and seen, it seems it will. Crow T
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
Listen up Moron- Warhammer has been around since the 70s and 80s pal. WOW ripped THEM off. Before you 'turn on' your sarcasm, check some facts. The only point you made is that you're a complete idiot.
Quoted for great JUSTICE! I lol at the flamage.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
Aye! I agree there Nothing really new, that hasn't been rehashed before...I'm disappointed really. I want it to be better than it is, but oh well. Not at this current state. I'm hoping Warhammer Online is going to be enjoyable. From all I've read and seen, it seems it will. Crow T
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
By the way Mythic has stated several times that they are not trying to be revolutionary. Their aim since Dark Age of Camelot is taking pre-existing game mechanics and perfecting them.
I understand your not a fan of the fantasy based genre but that is no reason to flame a game that you seem to have no actual understanding of.
I guess they saw alot of ppl signed up for beta and they all think they can just release the game and ppl will flock to buy it. But they are wrong b/c we learned our lesson from Vanguard.
oh yeah dont be a fool to bring up WoW pvp here b/c everyone who can pvp/rvr will tell u it has the worst pvp out of all mmorpg games.
Just b/c alot of ppl drive GM cars doesnt mean GM cars are the best.
Aye! I agree there Nothing really new, that hasn't been rehashed before...I'm disappointed really. I want it to be better than it is, but oh well. Not at this current state. I'm hoping Warhammer Online is going to be enjoyable. From all I've read and seen, it seems it will. Crow T
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before. It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance". You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary. Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online..... /sarcasm off
Listen up Moron- Warhammer has been around since the 70s and 80s pal. WOW ripped THEM off. Before you 'turn on' your sarcasm, check some facts. The only point you made is that you're a complete idiot.
Everyone knows where Blizzard got the IP's look.....which I don't recall anyone really arguing about it when any of the Warcraft rts games came out. It seems to me it has flared since EA-Mythic announced how close they were to release of a warhammer MMO which incidentally comes after the other with it's likeness. Not just 1-2 yrs after. FOUR YEARS LATER. Not to mention that it probably only got pushed so fast because WoW got big.
We all know that they bought the rights from someone who started the brain work of a Warhammer MMO very close to the time Blizzard started brainstorming theirs. Problem is, didn't have the cash to follow through because no one believed in it till WoW went all mutant like and got beastly. MMO wise it will always follow WoW. Definitely will be compared to it as many MMO's probably will (can't say for sure, not a fortune teller). Not saying it's right, but will probably be the case. Just like many compare all Pvp in MMO's to DAOC or shadowbane.
With that said, Orcs I believe is a Tolkien concept. Elves come from many variations of lore. I think the first in modern mediums to use a light or high elf variant was the Drow out of DnD circa late 70's (modern mediums mind you, in lore dark elves were the antagonist to the high/light elves. So I really don't think anyone ripped off anyone as far as creation goes. Close likeness maybe. But that's like saying splinter cell ripped off metal gear even tho they have some similarities they both stand on their own two feet.
Zeroxin brought up a good point1 he loves the game now that he has accepted that TR is NOT an MMO and does not play it as such.
The problem is: TR could be complete, bug free, and full of content and be the best game it is, However, TR is NOT being marketed and advertised for what game it IS!
TR is being shoved down our throats by Garriott and Co. as an MMO/MMORPG when it is clearly NOT either of those things.
They are going after the wrong audience and ignoring the audience they should be wooing.
look at all the pepole who hate this game, they are almost all MMO/MMORPG fans who thought it was that.
Look at the people who love it: many are casual Action-RPG/3rd person shooter fans who tried the Beta thinking the game was going to be an MMO/MMORPG and were pleasntly suprised to find out it was THEIR kind of game.
MMORPG/MMO fans are going to hate this game once they realized they have been tricked and...
...Casual action-RPG/shooter fans are going to love it when they finally realize it is for them, IF they ever realize it since Garriot and crew are completely ignoring those fans to try and get his old MMORPG fans.
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Wow, are we a head shrink? Funny thing is, you probably shouldn't try to explain the entire reasoning behind why others feel the way they do by reading one or two lines. You can't gauge peoples experiences like that. As perceptive as you think you can be, you have no clue.
This sorta reading into what you think may have been implied gets on my nerves just as much as when people say things such as "Most people feel this way" about any particular subject that arises. Individuals speak for themselves, not most or majority. To do this sorta thing I think you need to have some sorta position and can provide fact, not ur opinion or belief.
DAoC's PvP died 4 years ago. Now it feels just empty, buggy, slow, outdated, and full of losers who spend more time outside of the game perfecting their templates then actually playing it.
Stop using DAoC as the posterchild for PvP..
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Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ... - Louis Hector Berlioz
Amen to that
I totally agree myself with the OP, I will no longer buy into MMORPG's that lack that all important factor... "Fun" If I don't find it fun and players ask me to come back I'll just tell them to sod off, not only that though I am SICK of how static most of these games are, the developers just sit there on their arses after it's released waiting for the money to roll in, but they don't do anything to improve upon the game itself, thinking that a few bug fixes and area additions are going to cure all their woes. Why not do something like add factions? More dynamic NPC A.I? Actually put some bloody life into the games they make for once?! All this good easily reduce the 'grind' feeling you get in most MMORPG's now, I just hate how games with such potential just ruin it with these things, heck couldn't we even get a graphics update once in awhile? EVE Online and Jumpgate Evolution had the right idea with that, not only that though it keeps the old games popular because they're moving on with the times rather than just sitting still stubbornly.
I've gotten into games like Freelancer again which offer basic online play with player made servers, I have to say, I have not had this much fun playing a game in ages, I think it's pathetic that companies are getting away with this sort of thing, they need to stop bringing out such crap and thinking that we're going to play it.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I a beta tested several mmo's in my time but tabula rasa has a few things that i haven't seen but granted i can see where you come from it can be a bit repetitive and there are virtually no distinction between one commando from another but these are rather frivolous and vain to complain about they need a faster mode of travel cause walking takes so damn long a vehicle of some sort. there is also a point where enemies are immune to certain attacks that lighting attack you start with Dosen't effect certain creatures normal bullets or viral weapons maybe useless its not just the same weapon but different types of ammunition that help mix it. as far as futurist goes its a hard mmo theme to come by there are so very few but this game is in its bay stage and has plenty of room to grow so stop your belly aching after its first expansion it might not stand out very much you may lose interest after lvl 16 and the fact this is more of a shooter may appeal to the fps junkies out there pvp hasn't even been mention but you can duel since your up against a alien threat trying to obliterate all of mankind its pointless to even have pvp but no body said it will be just humans the foreans maybe added later hell even the bane might be playable who knows what they have in store keep an eye on this one it may just surprise you. wow is so over rated in my opinion its a good game... if your a child but for us grown ups may want something not over whelmed with 14 year olds warhammer looks like it will be awesome and hopefully the more grown up players will be there i liked tabula but they need to change up a few things the last update they had fixed granted this might turn out too be another auto assault but that was a great game it didn't have a lot of buzz about it if the game cant hold your attention past lvl 10 then your better off finding something else tabula may or may not but you at least have the option of exploring every branch with out back tracking too much so if you don't like one build try the other but trust me you have to try to stick around till lvl15 when you can choose another class if it still suck even with a rocket launcher in hand then friend there is no hope for you.
I'd have to stop you right there. I think it's a good game, and so I'm buying it.
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Darkfall: December or vaporware!
I was going to buy this game outright but I have seen too much bad press for me to do that now. The only way I will play this game will be on a demo and if that doesn't blow my socks off then I am going to kick it to the side and forget about. The next 2 years in mmo's is crucial for companies because the player base is on whole well informed and wont suck up revamped crapped out systems. Thats why WAR isnt tweaking my bells either. More orcs, elves, dwarves spanking each other for something close to useless.
Waiting for AoC, PoTBS and some other hopefulls.
I agree. If it doesn't hit that ooh spot when I try it I will leave it alone. Same thing happened to me with other trials that I thought would be kinda energizing to me in regards to continued MMO play. LotRo was a huge one for me. But it's not any better than WoW to me. Same ol same ol. So I reactivated my sub with wow.
Not in beta nor do I hope to be. I just want something new and something polished. I hope TR delivers.
Tabula Rasa is a very nice title, i cant wait for release. It does lots others dont do, it really is a must try.
GeForce 7900gt 256mg, 2gig system ram.
The game defaulted me to Very High (I think there is another setting higher than that, like Maximum or something I have not tried) I don't have any lag at all. And while graphics can be subject to preferance, I think the games graphics are top notch. I like EQ2 graphics though and I know some folks don't.
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GeForce 7900gt 256mg, 2gig system ram.
The game defaulted me to Very High (I think there is another setting higher than that, like Maximum or something I have not tried) I don't have any lag at all. And while graphics can be subject to preferance, I think the games graphics are top notch. I like EQ2 graphics though and I know some folks don't.
I have a newer system, so of course Im not having any type of lag issue. That being said, I do not understand how folks expect the video to look good for every type of vid card. My second machine has a GForce 6600GT, its older than my new Nvidia card an 8800 I turn down the graphics on the older PC and the game runs fine, it does'nt look as good but it works. I also noticed that when I bumped up the memory it works even better. These MMO developers have it tough, unlike Devs who make games for Consoles, they have to make their game work with thousands of different types of systems. So, what do we want, cartoon graphics like WOW or a game like Vanguard that taxes even the best of machines out there, what is middle ground to a community of folks that dismiss every new game out of hand?Tuocs
Edit: Woops, I thought this was about Sword of the New World. My bad. The video seems promising, but you never know.
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But i cant see anyone NOT agreeing to the fact that Tabula Rasa brings very little entertainment value for a 13/15 euro a month pay to play mmorpg game.
Compare it to other mmorpgs that might have sucked at launch but at least gave more content. Tabula rasa simply has no content besides just lvling up and doing the same thing non stop from lvl 1 to 50. In the regard this game is simply ripping you off and laughing in your face.
People complain that the new standard has become first release and patch later. Well i dont think tabula rasa is even near that stage yet. So it this what we will have to accept as consumer ? That publishers can just put half complete games on the market and start asking a monthly fee for it ?
Its not only a rip off but its also a very bad example to other publishers what they can and cannot do, that is if many people will buy this game. Itll show other publishers that no matter how crap and/or unfinished your game is if you hype it enough you can at least expect a good initial amount of cash within the first few months after launch. Like tabula rasa's video's show what looks like super cool content but in fact isnt and all the stuff you see in the video is nice the first time you see it but the 2nd time you'll just keep on running past it, not to mention you see all that next generation content within the first 10 lvls of the game.
Check the video on this site on how revolutionairy this game is and how next generation garriot self says this game is and itll be an example of future mmorpgs to be. How deep the game is and how much content it has and how different the approach is to pretty much everything in this game.
It's simply all lies, this game is not next gen, its not next nothing. In the mean time they just hype it all up and lie to people and try to cash in on you. Why would you even want to defend such people ? Coz they sure as hell dont give a shit about you. It might have been a fun single player game but its nothing even close to an MMORPG you pay monthly fee's for.
Oh yeah its so next gen that in a future sci - fi game they didnt even get as far as getting a mail system etc in. And trust me they will patch in a mail system later. Why ? They didnt have the time, it just shows you how unfished the game is. This game is a plan gone really bad and it shows on all fronts. Its a shame for de graphic designers coz they put their best into it since i think its a nice looking game with good reactivity often enough.
Garriot has joined the dark side... in a bad way.
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I've been playing this beta for some time now and i can only say "TR is teh awesome!!"
and this game actually gets interesting depending on how you play it and i've said this many times before DO NOT play this game like an MMO or your boredom level will rise like an exploding building.
And for what our topic starter was saying, i'm not really sure i understand cos we all know this game hasnt come out yet and for all we know the game could be up and running by the 19th with even better gameplay and loads of content. All i can say now is- i'll tell you how good it is when it comes out.
This is not a game.
If you define it on the point of a "successful game" then certainly DAoC provided the best PvP experience.
Otherwise, I would say that Shadowbane was honestly superior in that area.
The entire world is a PvP zone; all structures minus a few starting cities are destructible; all resources, buildings, markets, walls, guards, etc., minus those starting cities are created by the players. Players form their own nations and may attack and destroy other nation's capitals (or any player-made city for that matter).
It really is a pity that Wolfpack couldn't pull it off without a host of bugs, lag and issues with game mechanics (like allowing banes to go off just before server maintenance or the point and click movement which I personally despised).
The main difference for myself between Shadowbane and DAoC PvP was that the result of PvP sieges in DAoC was transitory. The reward was so-so overall and tenuous; one minute you had it, the next you didn't. Also, the races could become imbalanced pretty easily which led to a dominance on some servers of one race over another (Albions over Hibernians, Mids over Albions, etc.).
In Shadowbane, if you (and your nation) couldn't PvP, you stood to lose everything you worked for. If the Tree of Life in your capital city was baned and you failed to protect it, your nation fell and your guild was dissolved. You had to start all over again. Even if your Tree of Life (the core of planting player cities) wasn't baned, a rival nation could still tear down your walls, invade and just run rampant, destroying your assets at will, which was just about as bad when you consider that the vast majority of items players used were created there and the only real areas for adequate training were player cities. So if the training hall in your home city was destroyed, you were out of luck for training until you got another one built.
Plus, when you add in the dynamic of shifting player alliances and politics, it just made the PvP that much more interesting. One minute another nation could be your staunchest allies, the next minute they could be stabbing you in the back. It gave a lot more meaning to the PvP and added many moments of high drama.
I'm certain Warhammer will be a well-polished game and the PvP aspect will be very well developed; but compared to Shadowbane, I wouldn't consider it revolutionary.
edit: Forgot to add that Shadowbane had trebuchets, rams, etc., for sieges and certain classes/races had flight, which added an entirely different element where you had to defend from those with flight as well.
Abbatoir / Abbatoir Cinq
Adnihilo
Beorn Judge's Edge
Somnulus
Perfect Black
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Asheron's Call / Asheron's Call 2
Everquest / Everquest 2
Anarchy Online
Shadowbane
Dark Age of Camelot
Star Wars Galaxies
Matrix Online
World of Warcraft
Guild Wars
City of Heroes
Yeah, I agree that Shadowbane prolly was the ideal PvP MMORPG, however, the execution was its shortcoming. Coupled in with the horrible interface, it didn't quite attract enough customers. The interface still baffles my mind...
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ah sounds good. I never played shadowbane coz i read all the bad reviews about it being so buggy and imbalanced etc. Isnt that a free game nowadays or ?
Sounds harsh though, loosing everything lol hehe.
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
Listen up Moron- Warhammer has been around since the 70s and 80s pal. WOW ripped THEM off. Before you 'turn on' your sarcasm, check some facts. The only point you made is that you're a complete idiot.
Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
Listen up Moron- Warhammer has been around since the 70s and 80s pal. WOW ripped THEM off. Before you 'turn on' your sarcasm, check some facts. The only point you made is that you're a complete idiot.
Quoted for great JUSTICE! I lol at the flamage.
It is pathos we lack, and this lack of pathos makes the worlds we explore quite stale.
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Oh yes, Warhammer is breaking grand new territory. It has totally new things, like Orcs, Elves, Dwarves...swords, shields, and medieval armor. Revolutionary stuff like that, of the sort that's never been seen before.
It has the Orcs and stuff all aligned like a "Horde", and they fight against the good Humans and stuff who are all aligned like an "Alliance".
You can do big giant 40 man raids and stuff. Now that's revolutionary.
Not like Tabula Rasa, which just has that same old song and dance stuff like Humans versus Aliens with advanced technology in a futuristic world. You know, the same stuff everyone has been doing since Ultima Online.....
/sarcasm off
By the way Mythic has stated several times that they are not trying to be revolutionary. Their aim since Dark Age of Camelot is taking pre-existing game mechanics and perfecting them.
I understand your not a fan of the fantasy based genre but that is no reason to flame a game that you seem to have no actual understanding of.
I guess they saw alot of ppl signed up for beta and they all think they can just release the game and ppl will flock to buy it. But they are wrong b/c we learned our lesson from Vanguard.
oh yeah dont be a fool to bring up WoW pvp here b/c everyone who can pvp/rvr will tell u it has the worst pvp out of all mmorpg games.
Just b/c alot of ppl drive GM cars doesnt mean GM cars are the best.
Everyone knows where Blizzard got the IP's look.....which I don't recall anyone really arguing about it when any of the Warcraft rts games came out. It seems to me it has flared since EA-Mythic announced how close they were to release of a warhammer MMO which incidentally comes after the other with it's likeness. Not just 1-2 yrs after. FOUR YEARS LATER. Not to mention that it probably only got pushed so fast because WoW got big.
We all know that they bought the rights from someone who started the brain work of a Warhammer MMO very close to the time Blizzard started brainstorming theirs. Problem is, didn't have the cash to follow through because no one believed in it till WoW went all mutant like and got beastly. MMO wise it will always follow WoW. Definitely will be compared to it as many MMO's probably will (can't say for sure, not a fortune teller). Not saying it's right, but will probably be the case. Just like many compare all Pvp in MMO's to DAOC or shadowbane.
With that said, Orcs I believe is a Tolkien concept. Elves come from many variations of lore. I think the first in modern mediums to use a light or high elf variant was the Drow out of DnD circa late 70's (modern mediums mind you, in lore dark elves were the antagonist to the high/light elves. So I really don't think anyone ripped off anyone as far as creation goes. Close likeness maybe. But that's like saying splinter cell ripped off metal gear even tho they have some similarities they both stand on their own two feet.
Zeroxin brought up a good point1 he loves the game now that he has accepted that TR is NOT an MMO and does not play it as such.
The problem is: TR could be complete, bug free, and full of content and be the best game it is, However, TR is NOT being marketed and advertised for what game it IS!
TR is being shoved down our throats by Garriott and Co. as an MMO/MMORPG when it is clearly NOT either of those things.
They are going after the wrong audience and ignoring the audience they should be wooing.
look at all the pepole who hate this game, they are almost all MMO/MMORPG fans who thought it was that.
Look at the people who love it: many are casual Action-RPG/3rd person shooter fans who tried the Beta thinking the game was going to be an MMO/MMORPG and were pleasntly suprised to find out it was THEIR kind of game.
MMORPG/MMO fans are going to hate this game once they realized they have been tricked and...
...Casual action-RPG/shooter fans are going to love it when they finally realize it is for them, IF they ever realize it since Garriot and crew are completely ignoring those fans to try and get his old MMORPG fans.