Lol. Dont they ever worry about their self esteem etc while reading this? GAWD !
No because they exist within an alternate reality bubble.
Sorry to have to say this but the only ones who are living in a alternate reality are guy's like you, AveBethos and Obee, nothing you have said or posted makes sense, nothing indicate's you know how to make fun. nothing at all in not one of your post tells use you actualy are a gamer. Nothing but absolutely nothing any of you 3 guy's say makes sense. So if you make a comment about people who living in a alternate reality all you are saying is how you guy's seem to persieve games, which is clear to each and ever gamer that you guy's are no part of this mmorpg comunity, each time you speak is each time you distance yourself from this community. You are no VETS and thats a fact regardless of what you say we do not have close minded people like you behave among this community. Its a ashme really that you are not capable of seeing this yourslef. Why so misleading, why every time you open your mouth more lies and dishonosty cames here. Tell the truth and you hide behind your ignrance. Grow up cause honostly you 3 guy's act as if you are little children and i know you supose to be adult, now act like one please as like i said you 3 are the only ones who troll these forums spreading nonense. I wish i could atleast have seen one post that indicates you are gamers and know how to make fun in a game. But seriously not one post of you guy's shows this, all you 3 guy's is show us how ignorant you guy's are. Not one post seriously not ONE is positive, even things not SOE related you guiy's act ignorant. You guy's should really seek help, no this is not meant offensive this is meant in your best intrest, cause if you guy's act this way about a game , god help you when you encounter things that really matter in your lifes.
Hmmmmmmm, Lets put this reply in C6CD fashion
Wall of text crits you for an additional 10000 hit points
Strikethrough of an additional 5000 hitpoints
Inability to read or comprehend the text, an additional 5000 hitpoints
The best advice anyone could give GreyPawn is to quit SOE and go work for someone reputable. Seriously, you don't want the NGE or SWG taint on you.
This, IMO, is very sound advice.
I would think it would hurt a resume more then help it.
Working a PR job for SWG is about as good a resume killer as having "auditor at Enron" on your resume as an accountant. Best leave before the gap in employment is too large as to preclude you from not having to include it...
I like it when the disgruntled vets are told that they are an insignificant vocal tiny minority of all SWG gamers, but yet get blamed for the problems of SWG, such as a low user base.
Which brings up the unanswered question for Greypawn; if disgruntled vets are such insignificant minority, why do they get blamed?
Hummm... substitute Grand Moff Tarkin with Greypawn, and the Rebels with the Disgruntled Vets; and I think that puts things into perspective.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Lol. Dont they ever worry about their self esteem etc while reading this? GAWD !
No because they exist within an alternate reality bubble.
Sorry to have to say this but the only ones who are living in a alternate reality are guy's like you, AveBethos and Obee, nothing you have said or posted makes sense, nothing indicate's you know how to make fun. nothing at all in not one of your post tells use you actualy are a gamer. Nothing but absolutely nothing any of you 3 guy's say makes sense. So if you make a comment about people who living in a alternate reality all you are saying is how you guy's seem to persieve games, which is clear to each and ever gamer that you guy's are no part of this mmorpg comunity, each time you speak is each time you distance yourself from this community. You are no VETS and thats a fact regardless of what you say we do not have close minded people like you behave among this community. Its a ashme really that you are not capable of seeing this yourslef. Why so misleading, why every time you open your mouth more lies and dishonosty cames here. Tell the truth and you hide behind your ignrance. Grow up cause honostly you 3 guy's act as if you are little children and i know you supose to be adult, now act like one please as like i said you 3 are the only ones who troll these forums spreading nonense. I wish i could atleast have seen one post that indicates you are gamers and know how to make fun in a game. But seriously not one post of you guy's shows this, all you 3 guy's is show us how ignorant you guy's are. Not one post seriously not ONE is positive, even things not SOE related you guiy's act ignorant. You guy's should really seek help, no this is not meant offensive this is meant in your best intrest, cause if you guy's act this way about a game , god help you when you encounter things that really matter in your lifes.
Please point out where I have lied about anything. You seem way to invested in defending Star Wars Galaxies, as it currently is, and SOE. I hope you are drawing a paycheck for your trouble, because it is really sad otherwise. Star Wars Galaxies, as it currently is, is complete an utter crap. SOE employs, and is managed by, unprofessional and unethical people.
For all the whining you do about how mean we are to SOE and SWG, your posts are predominantly filled with insults and accusations. You bring little to no substance to any discussion. Your definition of a "gamer" seems to only include those who are willing to accept any crap gaming companies toss their way. That isn't a "gamer", that is a doormat.
I like it when the disgruntled vets are told that they are an insignificant vocal tiny minority of all SWG gamers, but yet get blamed for the problems of SWG, such as a low user base. Which brings up the unanswered question for Greypawn; if disgruntled vets are such insignificant minority, why do they get blamed? Hummm... substitute Grand Moff Tarkin with Greypawn, and the Rebels with the Disgruntled Vets; and I think that puts things into perspective.
Because the folks at SOE, and their sycophants, want to marginalize their detractors, while distracting the sycophants from what is actually wrong with the game. There have actually been discussion threads on the OBoards where the lonely players have asked themselves what they could do to make the game better. The main thing they came up with was to come here, and to other forums, and try to marginalize the folks who honestly point out that the game sucks. Those threads usually precede the influx of 'The game is really good now! Everyone should play it! The only people who don't like the game are people who haven't played it in over a year!' posters we see here from time to time.
any one got a pic of that dude? and anyone have the post where he was all giving mmorpg crap? i had it but lost it.... everyone couldn't believe that moron said that crap
The best advice anyone could give GreyPawn is to quit SOE and go work for someone reputable. Seriously, you don't want the NGE or SWG taint on you.
Well I think a good piece of advice would be.. in general.
If you want to work in a community type function.. you should at least have knowledge of the project your working on and its history. There are plenty of jobs out there that don't require this. Yet when you are the public face of a company.. it should be THE main requirement.
So in GreyPawn's case.. perhaps there is another game he actually knows something about. At least if he's going to work as a community relations.. type.
I like it when the disgruntled vets are told that they are an insignificant vocal tiny minority of all SWG gamers, but yet get blamed for the problems of SWG, such as a low user base. Which brings up the unanswered question for Greypawn; if disgruntled vets are such insignificant minority, why do they get blamed? Hummm... substitute Grand Moff Tarkin with Greypawn, and the Rebels with the Disgruntled Vets; and I think that puts things into perspective.
Because the folks at SOE, and their sycophants, want to marginalize their detractors, while distracting the sycophants from what is actually wrong with the game. There have actually been discussion threads on the OBoards where the lonely players have asked themselves what they could do to make the game better. The main thing they came up with was to come here, and to other forums, and try to marginalize the folks who honestly point out that the game sucks. Those threads usually precede the influx of 'The game is really good now! Everyone should play it! The only people who don't like the game are people who haven't played it in over a year!' posters we see here from time to time.
You are definitely on the right track... SOE dismissises criticism as insignificant and unrepresentative, while at the same time always going out of their way to attack their critics, sometimes in bizarre and inexplicably ill advised ways, such as Chris "I had a" Cao's "F-YOU!" rant on the Oforums right before he left SOE, and Noob's necroing of a 9 month old MMOWTF article...
Their bluster says one thing ("vocal minority, subs are up, etc") but their actions (supressing and pursuing their critics) speak just the opposite.
Again, SOE's actions fail to match their words. But they rarely do, the instances of SOE actually stating a truth or following through on a promise are rare.
Subs are "up significantly, are way higher than people are saying" yet you don't see more developers, faster publishes, or game expansions, things that would be tangible benefits to subs and revenues actually rising...
Critcs are a "vocal minority", unrepresentative of the "happy player base", yet Noob (as well as Virrago some months ago) will follow critics here and other places, Noob will actually BLAME woes on the "disgruntled vets posting on message boards".
One is true or the other. There is no way that subs can be both up AND down... There is no way that the disgruntled vets can BOTH be a mere "vocal minority" AND responsible for the bad name the game and SOE have gotten.
Yet, somehow, SOE seems content to claim that contradictory things are true, just depending on who they are saying it to.
I have a theroy as to why this happens... I think that the guys over at SOE, when they read something critical of them that is absolutely true (but yet contradicts the "Official Lie") they can't help themselves. They get angry, lose their cool, and go off. They think that somehow they have an absolute ability to control facts and reality, and their impotence turns to anger when they see proof in their face that this isn't true.
It's all very similar to the situation when the sony rep was quoted as blaming an internet crusade against the PS3 as the reason for it's poor sales. Totally disregarding the fact that they blatantly lied to every consumer on the face of the planet regarding its technical capabilities. Sony's lying and scamming screwed the PS3's launch and the CU & NGE screwed SWG, looking for scapegoats ain't ever going to change either of those facts, it just makes the corporate nodding dogs feel better.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
It's all very similar to the situation when the sony rep was quoted as blaming an internet crusade against the PS3 as the reason for it's poor sales. Totally disregarding the fact that they blatantly lied to every consumer on the face of the planet regarding its technical capabilities. Sony's lying and scamming screwed the PS3's launch and the CU & NGE screwed SWG, looking for scapegoats ain't ever going to change either of those facts, it just makes the corporate nodding dogs feel better.
SOE similarly thought that the firestorm over the NGE was orchestrated by a "cabal" (hence my forum handle) that was small, professional, and being paid by their rivals. They maintain dossiers on the most visible members (myself among them).
When you, as a company, hire people to be fake bloggers and to plant positive reports about you, you naturally assume the competition is being as underhanded as you are.
FYI, to any SOE'ers here, there IS NO CABAL. The vet reaction to the NGE was effective because it was GENUINE.
No amount of marketing and PR speak paddling can stop the canoe from going over the waterfall of your customer revolt. They might as well have opposed a hurricane with a squirt gun. You can lie about the ocean being champagne all you want, but the lie falls apart soon as someone discovers it's bitter salt water.
While "greypawns" position with SOE is lackluster he's not at fault of the NGE.
He has a pretty good blog but don't expect him to discuss SOE or SWG in it. While the guy has expressed some ignorance with his acusations let's not stoop to his level.
p.s. Greyspawn - be careful on how you register your domain name. A quick Whois search will net anyone the ph# and addy used to register it. (mods: please edit this Post Script if nesc) This is what I mean: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=greypawn.com
I like it when the disgruntled vets are told that they are an insignificant vocal tiny minority of all SWG gamers, but yet get blamed for the problems of SWG, such as a low user base. Which brings up the unanswered question for Greypawn; if disgruntled vets are such insignificant minority, why do they get blamed? Hummm... substitute Grand Moff Tarkin with Greypawn, and the Rebels with the Disgruntled Vets; and I think that puts things into perspective.
Because the folks at SOE, and their sycophants, want to marginalize their detractors, while distracting the sycophants from what is actually wrong with the game. There have actually been discussion threads on the OBoards where the lonely players have asked themselves what they could do to make the game better. The main thing they came up with was to come here, and to other forums, and try to marginalize the folks who honestly point out that the game sucks. Those threads usually precede the influx of 'The game is really good now! Everyone should play it! The only people who don't like the game are people who haven't played it in over a year!' posters we see here from time to time.
You are definitely on the right track... SOE dismissises criticism as insignificant and unrepresentative, while at the same time always going out of their way to attack their critics, sometimes in bizarre and inexplicably ill advised ways, such as Chris "I had a" Cao's "F-YOU!" rant on the Oforums right before he left SOE, and Noob's necroing of a 9 month old MMOWTF article...
Their bluster says one thing ("vocal minority, subs are up, etc") but their actions (supressing and pursuing their critics) speak just the opposite.
Again, SOE's actions fail to match their words. But they rarely do, the instances of SOE actually stating a truth or following through on a promise are rare.
Subs are "up significantly, are way higher than people are saying" yet you don't see more developers, faster publishes, or game expansions, things that would be tangible benefits to subs and revenues actually rising...
Critcs are a "vocal minority", unrepresentative of the "happy player base", yet Noob (as well as Virrago some months ago) will follow critics here and other places, Noob will actually BLAME woes on the "disgruntled vets posting on message boards".
One is true or the other. There is no way that subs can be both up AND down... There is no way that the disgruntled vets can BOTH be a mere "vocal minority" AND responsible for the bad name the game and SOE have gotten.
Yet, somehow, SOE seems content to claim that contradictory things are true, just depending on who they are saying it to.
I have a theroy as to why this happens... I think that the guys over at SOE, when they read something critical of them that is absolutely true (but yet contradicts the "Official Lie") they can't help themselves. They get angry, lose their cool, and go off. They think that somehow they have an absolute ability to control facts and reality, and their impotence turns to anger when they see proof in their face that this isn't true.
It's very refreshing to see the SOE doublespeak exposed. Thank you.
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No because they exist within an alternate reality bubble.
Sorry to have to say this but the only ones who are living in a alternate reality are guy's like you, AveBethos and Obee, nothing you have said or posted makes sense, nothing indicate's you know how to make fun. nothing at all in not one of your post tells use you actualy are a gamer. Nothing but absolutely nothing any of you 3 guy's say makes sense. So if you make a comment about people who living in a alternate reality all you are saying is how you guy's seem to persieve games, which is clear to each and ever gamer that you guy's are no part of this mmorpg comunity, each time you speak is each time you distance yourself from this community. You are no VETS and thats a fact regardless of what you say we do not have close minded people like you behave among this community. Its a ashme really that you are not capable of seeing this yourslef. Why so misleading, why every time you open your mouth more lies and dishonosty cames here. Tell the truth and you hide behind your ignrance. Grow up cause honostly you 3 guy's act as if you are little children and i know you supose to be adult, now act like one please as like i said you 3 are the only ones who troll these forums spreading nonense. I wish i could atleast have seen one post that indicates you are gamers and know how to make fun in a game. But seriously not one post of you guy's shows this, all you 3 guy's is show us how ignorant you guy's are. Not one post seriously not ONE is positive, even things not SOE related you guiy's act ignorant. You guy's should really seek help, no this is not meant offensive this is meant in your best intrest, cause if you guy's act this way about a game , god help you when you encounter things that really matter in your lifes.
Hmmmmmmm, Lets put this reply in C6CD fashion
Wall of text crits you for an additional 10000 hit points
Strikethrough of an additional 5000 hitpoints
Inability to read or comprehend the text, an additional 5000 hitpoints
You are incapped
You are DBed
Where do you want to clone?
The best advice anyone could give GreyPawn is to quit SOE and go work for someone reputable. Seriously, you don't want the NGE or SWG taint on you.
I would think it would hurt a resume more then help it.
I would think it would hurt a resume more then help it.
Working a PR job for SWG is about as good a resume killer as having "auditor at Enron" on your resume as an accountant. Best leave before the gap in employment is too large as to preclude you from not having to include it...
I like it when the disgruntled vets are told that they are an insignificant vocal tiny minority of all SWG gamers, but yet get blamed for the problems of SWG, such as a low user base.
Which brings up the unanswered question for Greypawn; if disgruntled vets are such insignificant minority, why do they get blamed?
Hummm... substitute Grand Moff Tarkin with Greypawn, and the Rebels with the Disgruntled Vets; and I think that puts things into perspective.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
No because they exist within an alternate reality bubble.
Sorry to have to say this but the only ones who are living in a alternate reality are guy's like you, AveBethos and Obee, nothing you have said or posted makes sense, nothing indicate's you know how to make fun. nothing at all in not one of your post tells use you actualy are a gamer. Nothing but absolutely nothing any of you 3 guy's say makes sense. So if you make a comment about people who living in a alternate reality all you are saying is how you guy's seem to persieve games, which is clear to each and ever gamer that you guy's are no part of this mmorpg comunity, each time you speak is each time you distance yourself from this community. You are no VETS and thats a fact regardless of what you say we do not have close minded people like you behave among this community. Its a ashme really that you are not capable of seeing this yourslef. Why so misleading, why every time you open your mouth more lies and dishonosty cames here. Tell the truth and you hide behind your ignrance. Grow up cause honostly you 3 guy's act as if you are little children and i know you supose to be adult, now act like one please as like i said you 3 are the only ones who troll these forums spreading nonense. I wish i could atleast have seen one post that indicates you are gamers and know how to make fun in a game. But seriously not one post of you guy's shows this, all you 3 guy's is show us how ignorant you guy's are. Not one post seriously not ONE is positive, even things not SOE related you guiy's act ignorant. You guy's should really seek help, no this is not meant offensive this is meant in your best intrest, cause if you guy's act this way about a game , god help you when you encounter things that really matter in your lifes.
Please point out where I have lied about anything. You seem way to invested in defending Star Wars Galaxies, as it currently is, and SOE. I hope you are drawing a paycheck for your trouble, because it is really sad otherwise. Star Wars Galaxies, as it currently is, is complete an utter crap. SOE employs, and is managed by, unprofessional and unethical people.
For all the whining you do about how mean we are to SOE and SWG, your posts are predominantly filled with insults and accusations. You bring little to no substance to any discussion. Your definition of a "gamer" seems to only include those who are willing to accept any crap gaming companies toss their way. That isn't a "gamer", that is a doormat.
Because the folks at SOE, and their sycophants, want to marginalize their detractors, while distracting the sycophants from what is actually wrong with the game. There have actually been discussion threads on the OBoards where the lonely players have asked themselves what they could do to make the game better. The main thing they came up with was to come here, and to other forums, and try to marginalize the folks who honestly point out that the game sucks. Those threads usually precede the influx of 'The game is really good now! Everyone should play it! The only people who don't like the game are people who haven't played it in over a year!' posters we see here from time to time.
it's noobpawn!
If you want to work in a community type function.. you should at least have knowledge of the project your working on and its history. There are plenty of jobs out there that don't require this. Yet when you are the public face of a company.. it should be THE main requirement.
So in GreyPawn's case.. perhaps there is another game he actually knows something about. At least if he's going to work as a community relations.. type.
Because the folks at SOE, and their sycophants, want to marginalize their detractors, while distracting the sycophants from what is actually wrong with the game. There have actually been discussion threads on the OBoards where the lonely players have asked themselves what they could do to make the game better. The main thing they came up with was to come here, and to other forums, and try to marginalize the folks who honestly point out that the game sucks. Those threads usually precede the influx of 'The game is really good now! Everyone should play it! The only people who don't like the game are people who haven't played it in over a year!' posters we see here from time to time.
You are definitely on the right track... SOE dismissises criticism as insignificant and unrepresentative, while at the same time always going out of their way to attack their critics, sometimes in bizarre and inexplicably ill advised ways, such as Chris "I had a" Cao's "F-YOU!" rant on the Oforums right before he left SOE, and Noob's necroing of a 9 month old MMOWTF article...
Their bluster says one thing ("vocal minority, subs are up, etc") but their actions (supressing and pursuing their critics) speak just the opposite.
Again, SOE's actions fail to match their words. But they rarely do, the instances of SOE actually stating a truth or following through on a promise are rare.
Subs are "up significantly, are way higher than people are saying" yet you don't see more developers, faster publishes, or game expansions, things that would be tangible benefits to subs and revenues actually rising...
Critcs are a "vocal minority", unrepresentative of the "happy player base", yet Noob (as well as Virrago some months ago) will follow critics here and other places, Noob will actually BLAME woes on the "disgruntled vets posting on message boards".
One is true or the other. There is no way that subs can be both up AND down... There is no way that the disgruntled vets can BOTH be a mere "vocal minority" AND responsible for the bad name the game and SOE have gotten.
Yet, somehow, SOE seems content to claim that contradictory things are true, just depending on who they are saying it to.
I have a theroy as to why this happens... I think that the guys over at SOE, when they read something critical of them that is absolutely true (but yet contradicts the "Official Lie") they can't help themselves. They get angry, lose their cool, and go off. They think that somehow they have an absolute ability to control facts and reality, and their impotence turns to anger when they see proof in their face that this isn't true.
It's all very similar to the situation when the sony rep was quoted as blaming an internet crusade against the PS3 as the reason for it's poor sales. Totally disregarding the fact that they blatantly lied to every consumer on the face of the planet regarding its technical capabilities. Sony's lying and scamming screwed the PS3's launch and the CU & NGE screwed SWG, looking for scapegoats ain't ever going to change either of those facts, it just makes the corporate nodding dogs feel better.
...The spread of secondary and latterly of tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought.
SOE similarly thought that the firestorm over the NGE was orchestrated by a "cabal" (hence my forum handle) that was small, professional, and being paid by their rivals. They maintain dossiers on the most visible members (myself among them).
When you, as a company, hire people to be fake bloggers and to plant positive reports about you, you naturally assume the competition is being as underhanded as you are.
FYI, to any SOE'ers here, there IS NO CABAL. The vet reaction to the NGE was effective because it was GENUINE.
No amount of marketing and PR speak paddling can stop the canoe from going over the waterfall of your customer revolt. They might as well have opposed a hurricane with a squirt gun. You can lie about the ocean being champagne all you want, but the lie falls apart soon as someone discovers it's bitter salt water.
While "greypawns" position with SOE is lackluster he's not at fault of the NGE.
He has a pretty good blog but don't expect him to discuss SOE or SWG in it. While the guy has expressed some ignorance with his acusations let's not stoop to his level.
http://www.greypawn.com/
p.s. Greyspawn - be careful on how you register your domain name. A quick Whois search will net anyone the ph# and addy used to register it. (mods: please edit this Post Script if nesc) This is what I mean: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=greypawn.com
Because the folks at SOE, and their sycophants, want to marginalize their detractors, while distracting the sycophants from what is actually wrong with the game. There have actually been discussion threads on the OBoards where the lonely players have asked themselves what they could do to make the game better. The main thing they came up with was to come here, and to other forums, and try to marginalize the folks who honestly point out that the game sucks. Those threads usually precede the influx of 'The game is really good now! Everyone should play it! The only people who don't like the game are people who haven't played it in over a year!' posters we see here from time to time.
You are definitely on the right track... SOE dismissises criticism as insignificant and unrepresentative, while at the same time always going out of their way to attack their critics, sometimes in bizarre and inexplicably ill advised ways, such as Chris "I had a" Cao's "F-YOU!" rant on the Oforums right before he left SOE, and Noob's necroing of a 9 month old MMOWTF article...
Their bluster says one thing ("vocal minority, subs are up, etc") but their actions (supressing and pursuing their critics) speak just the opposite.
Again, SOE's actions fail to match their words. But they rarely do, the instances of SOE actually stating a truth or following through on a promise are rare.
Subs are "up significantly, are way higher than people are saying" yet you don't see more developers, faster publishes, or game expansions, things that would be tangible benefits to subs and revenues actually rising...
Critcs are a "vocal minority", unrepresentative of the "happy player base", yet Noob (as well as Virrago some months ago) will follow critics here and other places, Noob will actually BLAME woes on the "disgruntled vets posting on message boards".
One is true or the other. There is no way that subs can be both up AND down... There is no way that the disgruntled vets can BOTH be a mere "vocal minority" AND responsible for the bad name the game and SOE have gotten.
Yet, somehow, SOE seems content to claim that contradictory things are true, just depending on who they are saying it to.
I have a theroy as to why this happens... I think that the guys over at SOE, when they read something critical of them that is absolutely true (but yet contradicts the "Official Lie") they can't help themselves. They get angry, lose their cool, and go off. They think that somehow they have an absolute ability to control facts and reality, and their impotence turns to anger when they see proof in their face that this isn't true.
It's very refreshing to see the SOE doublespeak exposed. Thank you.
The bottom line is this, if a rep from SOE told me that the sky was blue, or the water is wet, I'd re-check for myself.
This is the only rational way to look at things, since SOE has such a solid track record of mendacity.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
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