Its impossible for SOE not to have a non-compete clause in their contract with LA. Its not impossible for LA or EA to buyout that contract. That would truly shake the MMO world, imo.
Just a couple days somebody wrote about a survey proving that the the new Bioware/LA project is not an MMO. Seems the OP did not want to go into details. Anybody else has an idea about this?
If you look at original game development taking 3-4 years, I would assume that each company (LA, BioWare and EA) has more then one game in development at this time.
We do know BioWare is making a SF MMO, but we don't know whether it is related with LA and StarWars or not. However, one thing revealed so far is that BioWare and LA are making KOTOR3.
We do know BioWare is making a SF MMO, but we don't know whether it is related with LA and StarWars or not. However, one thing revealed so far is that BioWare and LA are making KOTOR3.
Oh really. I have followed the official statements on the Bioware MMO quite closely, but I do not know of an official statement that it is a SF MMO, nor that Bioware/La are doing KOTOR3.
Any links you can provide? Or this is just speculation (of which we have got enough already.. )...
I am thinking more and more that Lucas Arts' involvement is merely technical. What I mean by this is they are probably lending their system of blending the Euphoria/havok/soft particle engine used in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed to BioWare. I made this assumption after researching the world design engine being used by BioWare for the MMO ( hero engine ). Just does not look like it would work for a Star Wars title but might be great for an original IP.
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The BioWare MMO is not an original IP. During the acquisition by EA, a presentation surfaced that presented the titles (historic and under development) that BioWare (and Pandemic) have. It also stated whether or not it was an in-house IP. The MMO was clearly stated as an IP NOT owned på EA.
EDIT: This has been posted on the official BioWare forum site, and has not been refuted by BioWare there. Though they have refuted that they are working on a KotOR III. (LEC has said that the BioWare / LEC project has nothing to do with KotOR - they have said nothing of star wars in general though).
The MMO will be Star Wars themed and will tie in with the new television series. Its not set in the same timeline as Kotor, thus the reasons for denying its a Kotor MMO.
Read my post here for your proof. Ive also talked with people whove intereviewed and been to Bioware Austin, im 100% positive its Star Wars MMO but the story is set after episode 3 and before episode 4.
Leave it to George Lucas to use market tactics to tie games in with movies / tv.
Ive reported since Feb 2006 some information about Bioware's project. A few here know where I got my information from and have kept quiet because theyve used the same sources.
Anyway I got my info from two ways...
I had a brother-in-law that had worked in the industry for several years. He gleemed quite a bit of info for me about Bioware and its pet project over the years both from direct knowledge and from 3rd parties. He is now out of the industry and has is own business in another field. I do have one final bit of info to report from him...
The MMO is going to be big. Im basing this on the the amount of money Ive been told is being spent on the project. Bioware is spending a fortune on the game. Ive been told that Bioware is spending over 50 million dollars on development alone. This isnt counting advertising, marketing, pr, and packaging. To put this number into perspective, this amount is more than the total net revenue earned by Bioware over the past 3 years combined. In short, its a big risk by Bioware but they assume it will pay off.
My second source of information...
I will be omitting some information here to protect him from possible legal or civil ramifications. I will also be giving genral data and nothing too specific.
I have a "friend" that lives in South Texas. He has visited the Austin studio on several occasions. He has gotten access to trash legally as once it "hits the streets" to turn a phrase, its public domain. On most occasions the trash is has clearly gone through a shredder but sometimes it hasnt. Some of the stuff he has seen...
stuff labeled "conceptual art - mostly drawings of characters. My son recognized a few of the characters he's shown me. One my son says is a sith apprentice from the clone wars cartoons, she has two lightsabers that are bent. The other was an apprentice of Anikan Skywalker (i had no idea he had one). There was an interesting set of Anikan drawings, one had Anikan with no skin covering his robotic arm, another with Anikan holding two lightsabers.
The point is whatever Bioware is working on in Austin, its clear it has something to do with Star Wars.
Another interesting point, the software was microsoft all the way. I thought the artsy stuff was always done on Macs but everything seen was Microsoft stuff. I just put this information in if it helps someone with a different source to verify mine.
Some of the other trash that didnt get shredded...spreadsheets with hours accounted for. They were very detail oriented. A person didnt just put down 8 hrs on their time card, it was broken down by the minute. for example what I saw for one person was 8:00 to 8:05 am - calls for supply requests, 8:05 - 9:15 code a124556 (im guessing on the numbers but it was something long like that). 9:15 - 9:20 personal break, etc. Not very useful info probably for our purposes but it was interesting to see how Bioware tracks time for employees.
Theyre working 24 hrs a day. A chinese takeout place down the road does a lot of business with Bioware studios. They arent 24 hrs but they typically do a large order for Bioware right as they close at 11pm on weeknights. My friend has seen the lights on 24/7 and seen cars parked throughout the night many times.
Due to a recent change in the way Bioware disposes of its refuse, my friend no longer has access to any more information in this manner.
I wont be getting any new information anytime soon unfortunately. At least until I get another source. Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed we'll hear an announcement from Bioware soon
The MMO will be Star Wars themed and will tie in with the new television series. Its not set in the same timeline as Kotor, thus the reasons for denying its a Kotor MMO. Read my post here for your proof. Ive also talked with people whove intereviewed and been to Bioware Austin, im 100% positive its Star Wars MMO but the story is set after episode 3 and before episode 4. Leave it to George Lucas to use market tactics to tie games in with movies / tv. http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582
Ive reported since Feb 2006 some information about Bioware's project. A few here know where I got my information from and have kept quiet because theyve used the same sources.
Anyway I got my info from two ways...
I had a brother-in-law that had worked in the industry for several years. He gleemed quite a bit of info for me about Bioware and its pet project over the years both from direct knowledge and from 3rd parties. He is now out of the industry and has is own business in another field. I do have one final bit of info to report from him...
The MMO is going to be big. Im basing this on the the amount of money Ive been told is being spent on the project. Bioware is spending a fortune on the game. Ive been told that Bioware is spending over 50 million dollars on development alone. This isnt counting advertising, marketing, pr, and packaging. To put this number into perspective, this amount is more than the total net revenue earned by Bioware over the past 3 years combined. In short, its a big risk by Bioware but they assume it will pay off.
My second source of information...
I will be omitting some information here to protect him from possible legal or civil ramifications. I will also be giving genral data and nothing too specific.
I have a "friend" that lives in South Texas. He has visited the Austin studio on several occasions. He has gotten access to trash legally as once it "hits the streets" to turn a phrase, its public domain. On most occasions the trash is has clearly gone through a shredder but sometimes it hasnt. Some of the stuff he has seen...
stuff labeled "conceptual art - mostly drawings of characters. My son recognized a few of the characters he's shown me. One my son says is a sith apprentice from the clone wars cartoons, she has two lightsabers that are bent. The other was an apprentice of Anikan Skywalker (i had no idea he had one). There was an interesting set of Anikan drawings, one had Anikan with no skin covering his robotic arm, another with Anikan holding two lightsabers.
The point is whatever Bioware is working on in Austin, its clear it has something to do with Star Wars.
Another interesting point, the software was microsoft all the way. I thought the artsy stuff was always done on Macs but everything seen was Microsoft stuff. I just put this information in if it helps someone with a different source to verify mine.
Some of the other trash that didnt get shredded...spreadsheets with hours accounted for. They were very detail oriented. A person didnt just put down 8 hrs on their time card, it was broken down by the minute. for example what I saw for one person was 8:00 to 8:05 am - calls for supply requests, 8:05 - 9:15 code a124556 (im guessing on the numbers but it was something long like that). 9:15 - 9:20 personal break, etc. Not very useful info probably for our purposes but it was interesting to see how Bioware tracks time for employees.
Theyre working 24 hrs a day. A chinese takeout place down the road does a lot of business with Bioware studios. They arent 24 hrs but they typically do a large order for Bioware right as they close at 11pm on weeknights. My friend has seen the lights on 24/7 and seen cars parked throughout the night many times.
Due to a recent change in the way Bioware disposes of its refuse, my friend no longer has access to any more information in this manner.
I wont be getting any new information anytime soon unfortunately. At least until I get another source. Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed we'll hear an announcement from Bioware soon
If Bioware is going to make WoW with lightsabers, then indeed it will be considered "refuse"
The MMO will be Star Wars themed and will tie in with the new television series. Its not set in the same timeline as Kotor, thus the reasons for denying its a Kotor MMO. Read my post here for your proof. Ive also talked with people whove intereviewed and been to Bioware Austin, im 100% positive its Star Wars MMO but the story is set after episode 3 and before episode 4. Leave it to George Lucas to use market tactics to tie games in with movies / tv. http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582
Ive reported since Feb 2006 some information about Bioware's project. A few here know where I got my information from and have kept quiet because theyve used the same sources.
Anyway I got my info from two ways...
I had a brother-in-law that had worked in the industry for several years. He gleemed quite a bit of info for me about Bioware and its pet project over the years both from direct knowledge and from 3rd parties. He is now out of the industry and has is own business in another field. I do have one final bit of info to report from him...
The MMO is going to be big. Im basing this on the the amount of money Ive been told is being spent on the project. Bioware is spending a fortune on the game. Ive been told that Bioware is spending over 50 million dollars on development alone. This isnt counting advertising, marketing, pr, and packaging. To put this number into perspective, this amount is more than the total net revenue earned by Bioware over the past 3 years combined. In short, its a big risk by Bioware but they assume it will pay off.
My second source of information...
I will be omitting some information here to protect him from possible legal or civil ramifications. I will also be giving genral data and nothing too specific.
I have a "friend" that lives in South Texas. He has visited the Austin studio on several occasions. He has gotten access to trash legally as once it "hits the streets" to turn a phrase, its public domain. On most occasions the trash is has clearly gone through a shredder but sometimes it hasnt. Some of the stuff he has seen...
stuff labeled "conceptual art - mostly drawings of characters. My son recognized a few of the characters he's shown me. One my son says is a sith apprentice from the clone wars cartoons, she has two lightsabers that are bent. The other was an apprentice of Anikan Skywalker (i had no idea he had one). There was an interesting set of Anikan drawings, one had Anikan with no skin covering his robotic arm, another with Anikan holding two lightsabers.
The point is whatever Bioware is working on in Austin, its clear it has something to do with Star Wars.
Another interesting point, the software was microsoft all the way. I thought the artsy stuff was always done on Macs but everything seen was Microsoft stuff. I just put this information in if it helps someone with a different source to verify mine.
Some of the other trash that didnt get shredded...spreadsheets with hours accounted for. They were very detail oriented. A person didnt just put down 8 hrs on their time card, it was broken down by the minute. for example what I saw for one person was 8:00 to 8:05 am - calls for supply requests, 8:05 - 9:15 code a124556 (im guessing on the numbers but it was something long like that). 9:15 - 9:20 personal break, etc. Not very useful info probably for our purposes but it was interesting to see how Bioware tracks time for employees.
Theyre working 24 hrs a day. A chinese takeout place down the road does a lot of business with Bioware studios. They arent 24 hrs but they typically do a large order for Bioware right as they close at 11pm on weeknights. My friend has seen the lights on 24/7 and seen cars parked throughout the night many times.
Due to a recent change in the way Bioware disposes of its refuse, my friend no longer has access to any more information in this manner.
I wont be getting any new information anytime soon unfortunately. At least until I get another source. Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed we'll hear an announcement from Bioware soon
Why dont you scan this sheets, especially "concept arts" and show them us?
Read the link for your answer. I realize thats a tough thing for you kids and your short attention spans so I'll sum it up in one word junior...
lawsuit
Im not getting sued just so I can show some silly kids on the internet the stuff we've found in the garbage.
Also if you the link you'll see there is plenty of confirmation about my information from the other source.
Finally, even if you dont believe what Ive reported you can still look at the obvious evidence out there. For starters, ask yourselves this question...Why is Bioware / La keeping their MMO a secret ?
This goes against common sense normally. Clearly its beneficial for a game to get hyped which leads to free press coverage, fan websites which spread the word even more, interest in beta testers, feedback, etc. No developer keeps their MMO secret for very long. Usually once work has begun its announced. Yet 2.5 years since the MMO was announced, we dont know a single thing about it.
If you look at the fact that there is already an LA IP MMO out there, it seems obvious. Any announcement of a new Star Wars MMO will be the deathblow for Star Wars Galaxies. Even with only 20k players left, thats still $300,000 in gross revenue per month they could potentially lose. If Bioware's MMO isnt due for another 2 years, thats $7.2 million dollars at stake.
When the remaining players at SWG release the game is finished, it will seem pointless to continue. No possible expansions, no possible growth, no hope for classic servers, etc there will be little reason to continue for 90% of them. Sure a few will remain but most will turn out the lights for good.
It is therefore vital that LA / Bioware keep a tight lid on their new project. I dont expect we'll hear a single peep from them until they are actually ready for beta testing from the public. Thats probably a year away.
i know all of these stuff you ve talked about, i am following this bioware mmo project since the first day they have announced, but i am sick of all this speculation, just wanna see something real..
i know all of these stuff you ve talked about, i am following this bioware mmo project since the first day they have announced, but i am sick of all this speculation, just wanna see something real..
If it were any other MMO game, Bioware and LA would have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it a secret. MMO development can gather a large following over the 4 years its in development which results in...
It can get helpful feedback to the devs as well.
It helps promote the game (that reason alone is worth millions in ad revenue they'll save)
it gets them a pool of beta testers ready to go
it gets major guilds involved - ready to recruit the game, active webpages with screenshots, etc
There is only one reason that makes sense on why they would keep the game a complete and total secret. And that reason is clearly Star Wars Galaxies.
The MMO will be Star Wars themed and will tie in with the new television series. Its not set in the same timeline as Kotor, thus the reasons for denying its a Kotor MMO.
Read my post here for your proof. Ive also talked with people whove intereviewed and been to Bioware Austin, im 100% positive its Star Wars MMO but the story is set after episode 3 and before episode 4.
Leave it to George Lucas to use market tactics to tie games in with movies / tv.
Ive reported since Feb 2006 some information about Bioware's project. A few here know where I got my information from and have kept quiet because theyve used the same sources.
Anyway I got my info from two ways...
I had a brother-in-law that had worked in the industry for several years. He gleemed quite a bit of info for me about Bioware and its pet project over the years both from direct knowledge and from 3rd parties. He is now out of the industry and has is own business in another field. I do have one final bit of info to report from him...
The MMO is going to be big. Im basing this on the the amount of money Ive been told is being spent on the project. Bioware is spending a fortune on the game. Ive been told that Bioware is spending over 50 million dollars on development alone. This isnt counting advertising, marketing, pr, and packaging. To put this number into perspective, this amount is more than the total net revenue earned by Bioware over the past 3 years combined. In short, its a big risk by Bioware but they assume it will pay off.
My second source of information...
I will be omitting some information here to protect him from possible legal or civil ramifications. I will also be giving genral data and nothing too specific.
I have a "friend" that lives in South Texas. He has visited the Austin studio on several occasions. He has gotten access to trash legally as once it "hits the streets" to turn a phrase, its public domain. On most occasions the trash is has clearly gone through a shredder but sometimes it hasnt. Some of the stuff he has seen...
stuff labeled "conceptual art - mostly drawings of characters. My son recognized a few of the characters he's shown me. One my son says is a sith apprentice from the clone wars cartoons, she has two lightsabers that are bent. The other was an apprentice of Anikan Skywalker (i had no idea he had one). There was an interesting set of Anikan drawings, one had Anikan with no skin covering his robotic arm, another with Anikan holding two lightsabers.
The point is whatever Bioware is working on in Austin, its clear it has something to do with Star Wars.
Another interesting point, the software was microsoft all the way. I thought the artsy stuff was always done on Macs but everything seen was Microsoft stuff. I just put this information in if it helps someone with a different source to verify mine.
Some of the other trash that didnt get shredded...spreadsheets with hours accounted for. They were very detail oriented. A person didnt just put down 8 hrs on their time card, it was broken down by the minute. for example what I saw for one person was 8:00 to 8:05 am - calls for supply requests, 8:05 - 9:15 code a124556 (im guessing on the numbers but it was something long like that). 9:15 - 9:20 personal break, etc. Not very useful info probably for our purposes but it was interesting to see how Bioware tracks time for employees.
Theyre working 24 hrs a day. A chinese takeout place down the road does a lot of business with Bioware studios. They arent 24 hrs but they typically do a large order for Bioware right as they close at 11pm on weeknights. My friend has seen the lights on 24/7 and seen cars parked throughout the night many times.
Due to a recent change in the way Bioware disposes of its refuse, my friend no longer has access to any more information in this manner.
I wont be getting any new information anytime soon unfortunately. At least until I get another source. Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed we'll hear an announcement from Bioware soon
Do you expect people to believe a long, convoluted story about some "friend" who is supposedly watching a parking lot, digging through garbage and finding detailed information, including top secret concept art? And you try to convince people by telling them about how large a Chinese take out order is? WTF?
I've been seeing so many of these "friend of a friend of a friend" stories that they are seeming generic, invented, overly creative, and vaguely familiar from previous forums. I call BS on this and all other stories of that type. I only wonder what kind of cracked, bizarre thrill you people get from making this stuff up. Is it the same as the weird thrill people apparently get from making up urban legends and forwarding them all over the Internet?
There are some disturbed individuals in this country.
If you had bothered to read the link I provided (again I know its tough for you kids to spend 5 min reading), you'd understand why I included the chinese takeout reference.
It was a way to prove my friend and I had actually been to the Bioware / Austin studio. It was confirmed on that link by another poster that there is indeed a chinese takeout restaurant right down the street. It was also confirmed that they are open until 11pm (more proof that Ive been there). And finally, it was confirmed that Bioware does in fact place several large orders there.
I also went into some details in the link about what my friend does for a living. So dumpster diving isnt something new to either of us.
i did read the link.. whats it supposed to prove again?
lets say I totally believed everything you said. you didn't find anything with a working title, the pictures don't say "MMO concept art!!!" on them... nothing you claim to have found or said tells me anything at all. I got no problem with your restaurant, or your art drawings, how you said you got them, or even that it points to you possibly caring about it to an unhealthy degree, hell, I'm curious to. It just proves... nothing at all.
Anything posted by any of us just counts as "rumor", since this is the internet. We cannot see these things in reality with our own eyes. The statements by admriker might be true, they might be wrong... no way we can be sure.
Sometimes I wish it would be different, but that's how it is.
Of course, official statements by company representatives have much more weight (though they also are made up sometimes, ... ).
But, indeed, the fact the Bioware keeps the IP of its MMO secret is a strong hint, and for this very reason I also tend to believe that they are working on a Star Wars game, as I have already stated in previous posts.
In the end, for me it's not that important. Unreleased games cannot be played anyway...
I still maintain that the new Bioware/LA MMO is a Star Wars game set between ep3 and ep4 just like the TV show that is being worked on. Coincidentally, the Star Wars live action show is supposed to debut late 09/10.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
I still maintain that the new Bioware/LA MMO is a Star Wars game set between ep3 and ep4 just like the TV show that is being worked on. Coincidentally, the Star Wars live action show is supposed to debut late 09/10.
George Lucas has always used this kind of marketing approach so it wont surprise me in the least if your right.
SOE doesn't have a leg to stand on since they don't have any games that are bringing in much cash I'm certain not in the range of numbers they'd like and considering what LA did with SWG what makes you so certain they wouldn't do what it took to alter the deal with SOE to allow Bioware to work on a SW mmo.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
And still the SOE rep is ruin, and the Ex former gamers of SWG do all to keep it that way, the best think that SOE can do at this moment ( to survive in a near future ) is to ask for forgive to ex players and fix the situation whit SWG
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It was a story about Lucas Arts involvement and a interviewer letting a little too much info slip.
I am a forum troll hunter. Be afraid trolls, very afraid!
Its impossible for SOE not to have a non-compete clause in their contract with LA. Its not impossible for LA or EA to buyout that contract. That would truly shake the MMO world, imo.
Just a couple days somebody wrote about a survey proving that the the new Bioware/LA project is not an MMO. Seems the OP did not want to go into details. Anybody else has an idea about this?
We do know BioWare is making a SF MMO, but we don't know whether it is related with LA and StarWars or not. However, one thing revealed so far is that BioWare and LA are making KOTOR3.
I think the survey indicates KOTOR3.
I can't wait for HKO!
Any links you can provide? Or this is just speculation (of which we have got enough already..
)...
I am thinking more and more that Lucas Arts' involvement is merely technical. What I mean by this is they are probably lending their system of blending the Euphoria/havok/soft particle engine used in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed to BioWare. I made this assumption after researching the world design engine being used by BioWare for the MMO ( hero engine ). Just does not look like it would work for a Star Wars title but might be great for an original IP.
I am a forum troll hunter. Be afraid trolls, very afraid!
The BioWare MMO is not an original IP. During the acquisition by EA, a presentation surfaced that presented the titles (historic and under development) that BioWare (and Pandemic) have. It also stated whether or not it was an in-house IP. The MMO was clearly stated as an IP NOT owned på EA.
EDIT: This has been posted on the official BioWare forum site, and has not been refuted by BioWare there. Though they have refuted that they are working on a KotOR III. (LEC has said that the BioWare / LEC project has nothing to do with KotOR - they have said nothing of star wars in general though).
And I found the link.
http://library.corporate-ir.net/library/88/881/88189/items/264618/EAPres.pdf
the new MMO announcment from Biware/LA is going to happen Aug 15th!!!!!
Same day as the Star Wars CGI movie------The MMO will be a Trailer for the new movie...!!!!
The MMO will be Star Wars themed and will tie in with the new television series. Its not set in the same timeline as Kotor, thus the reasons for denying its a Kotor MMO.
Read my post here for your proof. Ive also talked with people whove intereviewed and been to Bioware Austin, im 100% positive its Star Wars MMO but the story is set after episode 3 and before episode 4.
Leave it to George Lucas to use market tactics to tie games in with movies / tv.
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582
Ive reported since Feb 2006 some information about Bioware's project. A few here know where I got my information from and have kept quiet because theyve used the same sources.
Anyway I got my info from two ways...
I had a brother-in-law that had worked in the industry for several years. He gleemed quite a bit of info for me about Bioware and its pet project over the years both from direct knowledge and from 3rd parties. He is now out of the industry and has is own business in another field. I do have one final bit of info to report from him...
The MMO is going to be big. Im basing this on the the amount of money Ive been told is being spent on the project. Bioware is spending a fortune on the game. Ive been told that Bioware is spending over 50 million dollars on development alone. This isnt counting advertising, marketing, pr, and packaging. To put this number into perspective, this amount is more than the total net revenue earned by Bioware over the past 3 years combined. In short, its a big risk by Bioware but they assume it will pay off.
My second source of information...
I will be omitting some information here to protect him from possible legal or civil ramifications. I will also be giving genral data and nothing too specific.
I have a "friend" that lives in South Texas. He has visited the Austin studio on several occasions. He has gotten access to trash legally as once it "hits the streets" to turn a phrase, its public domain. On most occasions the trash is has clearly gone through a shredder but sometimes it hasnt. Some of the stuff he has seen...
stuff labeled "conceptual art - mostly drawings of characters. My son recognized a few of the characters he's shown me. One my son says is a sith apprentice from the clone wars cartoons, she has two lightsabers that are bent. The other was an apprentice of Anikan Skywalker (i had no idea he had one). There was an interesting set of Anikan drawings, one had Anikan with no skin covering his robotic arm, another with Anikan holding two lightsabers.
The point is whatever Bioware is working on in Austin, its clear it has something to do with Star Wars.
Another interesting point, the software was microsoft all the way. I thought the artsy stuff was always done on Macs but everything seen was Microsoft stuff. I just put this information in if it helps someone with a different source to verify mine.
Some of the other trash that didnt get shredded...spreadsheets with hours accounted for. They were very detail oriented. A person didnt just put down 8 hrs on their time card, it was broken down by the minute. for example what I saw for one person was 8:00 to 8:05 am - calls for supply requests, 8:05 - 9:15 code a124556 (im guessing on the numbers but it was something long like that). 9:15 - 9:20 personal break, etc. Not very useful info probably for our purposes but it was interesting to see how Bioware tracks time for employees.
Theyre working 24 hrs a day. A chinese takeout place down the road does a lot of business with Bioware studios. They arent 24 hrs but they typically do a large order for Bioware right as they close at 11pm on weeknights. My friend has seen the lights on 24/7 and seen cars parked throughout the night many times.
Due to a recent change in the way Bioware disposes of its refuse, my friend no longer has access to any more information in this manner.
I wont be getting any new information anytime soon unfortunately. At least until I get another source. Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed we'll hear an announcement from Bioware soon
If Bioware is going to make WoW with lightsabers, then indeed it will be considered "refuse"
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Why dont you scan this sheets, especially "concept arts" and show them us?
Believe me, it's true!
Read the link for your answer. I realize thats a tough thing for you kids and your short attention spans so I'll sum it up in one word junior...
lawsuit
Im not getting sued just so I can show some silly kids on the internet the stuff we've found in the garbage.
Also if you the link you'll see there is plenty of confirmation about my information from the other source.
Finally, even if you dont believe what Ive reported you can still look at the obvious evidence out there. For starters, ask yourselves this question...Why is Bioware / La keeping their MMO a secret ?
This goes against common sense normally. Clearly its beneficial for a game to get hyped which leads to free press coverage, fan websites which spread the word even more, interest in beta testers, feedback, etc. No developer keeps their MMO secret for very long. Usually once work has begun its announced. Yet 2.5 years since the MMO was announced, we dont know a single thing about it.
If you look at the fact that there is already an LA IP MMO out there, it seems obvious. Any announcement of a new Star Wars MMO will be the deathblow for Star Wars Galaxies. Even with only 20k players left, thats still $300,000 in gross revenue per month they could potentially lose. If Bioware's MMO isnt due for another 2 years, thats $7.2 million dollars at stake.
When the remaining players at SWG release the game is finished, it will seem pointless to continue. No possible expansions, no possible growth, no hope for classic servers, etc there will be little reason to continue for 90% of them. Sure a few will remain but most will turn out the lights for good.
It is therefore vital that LA / Bioware keep a tight lid on their new project. I dont expect we'll hear a single peep from them until they are actually ready for beta testing from the public. Thats probably a year away.
i want to believe you man,
i know all of these stuff you ve talked about, i am following this bioware mmo project since the first day they have announced, but i am sick of all this speculation, just wanna see something real..
If it were any other MMO game, Bioware and LA would have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping it a secret. MMO development can gather a large following over the 4 years its in development which results in...
There is only one reason that makes sense on why they would keep the game a complete and total secret. And that reason is clearly Star Wars Galaxies.
Originally posted by admriker4
The MMO will be Star Wars themed and will tie in with the new television series. Its not set in the same timeline as Kotor, thus the reasons for denying its a Kotor MMO.
Read my post here for your proof. Ive also talked with people whove intereviewed and been to Bioware Austin, im 100% positive its Star Wars MMO but the story is set after episode 3 and before episode 4.
Leave it to George Lucas to use market tactics to tie games in with movies / tv.
http://www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php?t=5582
Ive reported since Feb 2006 some information about Bioware's project. A few here know where I got my information from and have kept quiet because theyve used the same sources.
Anyway I got my info from two ways...
I had a brother-in-law that had worked in the industry for several years. He gleemed quite a bit of info for me about Bioware and its pet project over the years both from direct knowledge and from 3rd parties. He is now out of the industry and has is own business in another field. I do have one final bit of info to report from him...
The MMO is going to be big. Im basing this on the the amount of money Ive been told is being spent on the project. Bioware is spending a fortune on the game. Ive been told that Bioware is spending over 50 million dollars on development alone. This isnt counting advertising, marketing, pr, and packaging. To put this number into perspective, this amount is more than the total net revenue earned by Bioware over the past 3 years combined. In short, its a big risk by Bioware but they assume it will pay off.
My second source of information...
I will be omitting some information here to protect him from possible legal or civil ramifications. I will also be giving genral data and nothing too specific.
I have a "friend" that lives in South Texas. He has visited the Austin studio on several occasions. He has gotten access to trash legally as once it "hits the streets" to turn a phrase, its public domain. On most occasions the trash is has clearly gone through a shredder but sometimes it hasnt. Some of the stuff he has seen...
stuff labeled "conceptual art - mostly drawings of characters. My son recognized a few of the characters he's shown me. One my son says is a sith apprentice from the clone wars cartoons, she has two lightsabers that are bent. The other was an apprentice of Anikan Skywalker (i had no idea he had one). There was an interesting set of Anikan drawings, one had Anikan with no skin covering his robotic arm, another with Anikan holding two lightsabers.
The point is whatever Bioware is working on in Austin, its clear it has something to do with Star Wars.
Another interesting point, the software was microsoft all the way. I thought the artsy stuff was always done on Macs but everything seen was Microsoft stuff. I just put this information in if it helps someone with a different source to verify mine.
Some of the other trash that didnt get shredded...spreadsheets with hours accounted for. They were very detail oriented. A person didnt just put down 8 hrs on their time card, it was broken down by the minute. for example what I saw for one person was 8:00 to 8:05 am - calls for supply requests, 8:05 - 9:15 code a124556 (im guessing on the numbers but it was something long like that). 9:15 - 9:20 personal break, etc. Not very useful info probably for our purposes but it was interesting to see how Bioware tracks time for employees.
Theyre working 24 hrs a day. A chinese takeout place down the road does a lot of business with Bioware studios. They arent 24 hrs but they typically do a large order for Bioware right as they close at 11pm on weeknights. My friend has seen the lights on 24/7 and seen cars parked throughout the night many times.
Due to a recent change in the way Bioware disposes of its refuse, my friend no longer has access to any more information in this manner.
I wont be getting any new information anytime soon unfortunately. At least until I get another source. Anyway, keeping my fingers crossed we'll hear an announcement from Bioware soon
Do you expect people to believe a long, convoluted story about some "friend" who is supposedly watching a parking lot, digging through garbage and finding detailed information, including top secret concept art? And you try to convince people by telling them about how large a Chinese take out order is? WTF?
I've been seeing so many of these "friend of a friend of a friend" stories that they are seeming generic, invented, overly creative, and vaguely familiar from previous forums. I call BS on this and all other stories of that type. I only wonder what kind of cracked, bizarre thrill you people get from making this stuff up. Is it the same as the weird thrill people apparently get from making up urban legends and forwarding them all over the Internet?
There are some disturbed individuals in this country.
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If you had bothered to read the link I provided (again I know its tough for you kids to spend 5 min reading), you'd understand why I included the chinese takeout reference.
It was a way to prove my friend and I had actually been to the Bioware / Austin studio. It was confirmed on that link by another poster that there is indeed a chinese takeout restaurant right down the street. It was also confirmed that they are open until 11pm (more proof that Ive been there). And finally, it was confirmed that Bioware does in fact place several large orders there.
I also went into some details in the link about what my friend does for a living. So dumpster diving isnt something new to either of us.
i did read the link.. whats it supposed to prove again?
lets say I totally believed everything you said. you didn't find anything with a working title, the pictures don't say "MMO concept art!!!" on them... nothing you claim to have found or said tells me anything at all. I got no problem with your restaurant, or your art drawings, how you said you got them, or even that it points to you possibly caring about it to an unhealthy degree, hell, I'm curious to. It just proves... nothing at all.
Anything posted by any of us just counts as "rumor", since this is the internet. We cannot see these things in reality with our own eyes. The statements by admriker might be true, they might be wrong... no way we can be sure.
Sometimes I wish it would be different, but that's how it is.
Of course, official statements by company representatives have much more weight (though they also are made up sometimes, ... ).
But, indeed, the fact the Bioware keeps the IP of its MMO secret is a strong hint, and for this very reason I also tend to believe that they are working on a Star Wars game, as I have already stated in previous posts.
In the end, for me it's not that important. Unreleased games cannot be played anyway...
I still maintain that the new Bioware/LA MMO is a Star Wars game set between ep3 and ep4 just like the TV show that is being worked on. Coincidentally, the Star Wars live action show is supposed to debut late 09/10.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
George Lucas has always used this kind of marketing approach so it wont surprise me in the least if your right.
SOE doesn't have a leg to stand on since they don't have any games that are bringing in much cash I'm certain not in the range of numbers they'd like and considering what LA did with SWG what makes you so certain they wouldn't do what it took to alter the deal with SOE to allow Bioware to work on a SW mmo.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
And still the SOE rep is ruin, and the Ex former gamers of SWG do all to keep it that way, the best think that SOE can do at this moment ( to survive in a near future ) is to ask for forgive to ex players and fix the situation whit SWG