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I think both are failure since LOTR fail to get over 1mill like they wanted.
where is ur proof ?
I suppose the balanced classes and polished game play had nothing to do with LoTRO's overwhelming initial success. The game released head and shoulders better than any MMORPG in history and Turbine just keeps adding features and polishing the original concepts while adding new quests, new areas, and new features every couple of months in free updates isn't exactly hurting it either.
I have a better idea why don't you prove that it wasn't , I have better things to do like play LoTRO.
I miss DAoC
I can't vote because i have not played Vanguard.
Lifetimer in LOTRO with 5 characters and i still haven't reached 50 yet heh.Casual play style for the win.
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you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
I miss DAoC
you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
Nah i can't believe that Vanguard is just as bad as Dark & Light or Horizons.Those 2 games takes the prize when it comes to badly released mmorpg's.
I still slam my head against the wall when i think about how much time i spent following those 2 games in production,Beta and release.
I bet Vanguard is tons more fun than those 2 or else i can only say this.
Poor Vanguardians.
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eh it is as I feared, Vanguard is too hard for many of you posters, so you claim that LOTRO is better and more polished and all this junk.....I have a lvl 50 stupid minstrel and tried endgame (killed thorog in helegrod, gained ranks in pvp)...
this wasnt a troll, it was just my opinion and I wanted to see that others agree and the MMO market hasnt gone completely to the dark side.
it just seems sad to me that a game being buggy and unfinished makes the carebears deny the fact that it really does offer a lot more to a hardcore MMO gamer then games like WoW and LOTRO. Maybe its more buggy because its harder to make 5x more content (damn right im still going with that) perfect. And LOTRO was still hella buggy...in really pathetic ways (even in TINY starting zones)
I figured that the WoW LOTRO carebears, who think they are good at MMORPGs because they maxed these games would come and bash this thread. oh well game on! Thanks for all the opinions
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This is one thing that really cracks me up about so called "hardcore" MMO gamers. They think that their MMO is superior when all it really requires is more time. What is so difficult about Vanguard? Do you really think it takes more skill to get a maxed lvl character in either game? It is not super mario bros on expert mode where you have to make 15 jumps perfectly timed to get to the next lvl. Its all about the amount of time you spend grinding at something. The only difference between WoW, LoTRO, Vanguard, EvE, EQ2 or any other MMO you want to name is the amount of time you have to spend doing the same things over and over to achieve max level.
You want hard.... go play L2..... otherwise you have no business calling other folks names....
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you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
VG is indeed in bad shape. Sigil were picking their nose it's obvious. I like what SOE is doing now. 3 huge updates and tons of bug fixes since it got in their hands. I feel an EQ2 scenario here... SOE will turn the game around. Let's see if Turbine can keep this one going for a while before it gets forgotten like DDO.
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you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
VG is indeed in bad shape. Sigil were picking their nose it's obvious. I like what SOE is doing now. 3 huge updates and tons of bug fixes since it got in their hands. I feel an EQ2 scenario here... SOE will turn the game around. Let's see if Turbine can keep this one going for a while before it gets forgotten like DDO.
I actuly think that Vangaurd is more forgotten then DDO.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
VG is indeed in bad shape. Sigil were picking their nose it's obvious. I like what SOE is doing now. 3 huge updates and tons of bug fixes since it got in their hands. I feel an EQ2 scenario here... SOE will turn the game around. Let's see if Turbine can keep this one going for a while before it gets forgotten like DDO.
I actuly think that Vangaurd is more forgotten then DDO.
Well uhm yea, people tend to be reminded of DDO everytime they play LOTRO.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
VG is indeed in bad shape. Sigil were picking their nose it's obvious. I like what SOE is doing now. 3 huge updates and tons of bug fixes since it got in their hands. I feel an EQ2 scenario here... SOE will turn the game around. Let's see if Turbine can keep this one going for a while before it gets forgotten like DDO.
I actuly think that Vangaurd is more forgotten then DDO.
Well uhm yea, people tend to be reminded of DDO everytime they play LOTRO.
Actuly i don't think a lot of people that play Lotro have played DDO.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
VG is indeed in bad shape. Sigil were picking their nose it's obvious. I like what SOE is doing now. 3 huge updates and tons of bug fixes since it got in their hands. I feel an EQ2 scenario here... SOE will turn the game around. Let's see if Turbine can keep this one going for a while before it gets forgotten like DDO.
I actuly think that Vangaurd is more forgotten then DDO.
I think vanguard is forgotten in general;and rightly so as it was a complete joke of a game.
neverwinter nights modules made me feel more lotr than this one.
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I meant carebear in a sense of much easier. Because I played and maxed these games im just stating what I feel after hitting endgame. And by the way, I play EQ2 pvp server, VG pvp server....I play pvp all the time.
Vanguard is much more challenging then EQ2 and many many other games, in MY opinion. It seems to me that games like WoW and lotro took the challenge out of really achieving in a MMO. Which is fine in ways...I know plenty of 6-8 year olds who play warcraft and LOTRO and enjoy it...this is a good thing in my eyes because I just support MMORPG gaming in general. I only started this thread for more hardcore MMORPG gamers who feel the same way I do.
And the main way I feel is why bash Vanguard so harshly all the time... like all the features they put in VG (a lot compared to many other MMO's) Now of course its horribly glitchy and buggy (still after these patches...hate to say it), but in the end it really offers more to a hardcore old school gamer who loves a challenge even at lower levels, it actually makes me more proud of gaining levels and earning the best loot, or buying awesome ships to explore lots of islands. Or finding my own housing plot..well whatever it is from the list, the game does it really well.
LOTRO was shipped, I beta tested it for over 1 year, and still found bugs that I reported in starting zones at launch, and they would get worse towards the NE of the game world. But LOTRO's world they said is about 70-80% the size of warcraft at release. so since the updates we'll bump that up to original warcraft size and overall scale. But I still found plenty of bugs, only 7 classes and 4 races, with horrible char customization, ARMOR ALWAYS LOOKS THE SAME even at higher lvls. After the second patch, the only thing for a lvl 50 to do was pure grindage. The horses are deprived of food, and the horses all look the same. The combo system is maybe half as good as EQ2. I could go on and on.
Im not hating on anyone, I love all MMO's...im just rly rly rly disappointed in LOTRO, and think that vanguard should get more credit then it.
peace
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you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
VG is indeed in bad shape. Sigil were picking their nose it's obvious. I like what SOE is doing now. 3 huge updates and tons of bug fixes since it got in their hands. I feel an EQ2 scenario here... SOE will turn the game around. Let's see if Turbine can keep this one going for a while before it gets forgotten like DDO.
I actuly think that Vangaurd is more forgotten then DDO.
Well uhm yea, people tend to be reminded of DDO everytime they play LOTRO.
Actuly i don't think a lot of people that play Lotro have played DDO.
Yeah, but if.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Also over 120 people voted so far, and hope is not lost! LOTRO still got plenty of votes!(i knew vanguard would get more)
but please no need to be harsh on the thread, just speak your opinions, my last post explained my viewpoint much better the initial one.
I play all ghame
Ah... Jackdog. You dont know much about vanguard i guess. VG is nowhere near D&L. The game and the content is very playable now. And there is a lot of content if you know where to look for.you did not miss anything by not playing VG Virtuella, just think of a DArk and Light or Horizons and you pretty much get the gist of Vanguard. If you did not play either of those then just slam your fingers in your car door a few times then try and imagine something even more painful. It was just another SOE trainwreck
It is pointless to compare LOTRO and Vangaurd. This is REALLY comparing apples and oranges. Ive been playing vaguard since release and i have seen a lot there. It is not a completely broken game anymore.
Why do i post here ? I am now 3 days into LOTRO and i will most probably stay. But NOT because Vanguard is broken or a bad game, it is because LOTRO is different and seems to fit my taste better. It seems to be more "classic" fantasy and there is, compared to Vanguard, no grind. And there are dedicated RP servers. I have rather easy access to the stories told by the quests... the grind on the sidestories of vanguard is somethimes beyond silly.
I am a bit confused why people think LOTRO is a failure ?! Anyone can tell me please ? Its softcore, has a bit weak animations... everything else is a piece of excellent work so far. Now, really... what wrong with LOTRO to call it a failure ?
I think LOTRO is the better game.
I've played both games. I really hated to leave Vanguard because there was really a lot of potential there, but they fell through on the execution in my opinion. The main point that sets LOTRO apart from Vanguard is that LOTRO is fundamentally a well built game, and hence they are adding content regularly to the game. On the other hand, Vanguard was not well built at all, and so they are having to go back and do a lot of remedial work just to make the game run well and to squash a lot of bugs.
I think performance is one of the main factors that killed Vanguard for me. It was fine when I was running around by myself or with a friend out in the wild. But in the cities it lagged pretty bad, and when I grouped with four or more people to do quests the game started to lag terriblly and have audio errors. Performance in large groups was so bad it was a deal breaker for me.
LOTRO has a healthy player population also. That makes the game a lot more fun.
for those last 2 posts....just wait till you really hit endgame and the only thing available to you is only one uber suit, a few "new mounts" that look the exact same except for patterns....and I swear to god you need to do extreme extreme grinding for both. Raids are fun in LOTRO...
but the last 2 updates offered nothing more then pure grindage
when u hit endgame lemme know how you feel, yes the beginning is very easy and appealing.
I play all ghame
Also people....I have not seen one legit argument for LOTRO yet. doesnt anyone have anything to back LOTRO up, without making fun of me or others?
Im waiting for a good reason
ill listen
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It looks purty!
Well at least Lotro does have an endgame, vangaurd does not.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.