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Nothing to back up. Everything here is subjective. I could write a long post about why I prefer LOTRO over VG, but it's pointless really. Like what you like, let others like what they like, and just move on with life.
Keep waiting, bud.
Most LOTRO fans aren't going to take the time to respond to an obvious troll post. No reason to try to change your mind on a game you don't like.
Not all games are for everyone. Many love LOTRO and many don't. It all depends on what you're looking for.
But, trying to get a flame war going won't work here... you'll just be chatting with other haters, most of whom don't know much about the game to begin with and just want to join the bandwagon of haters... the biggest population on this site.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
VG has twice the endgame content...this i know for sure....different endgame raids on all 3 continents, different housing styles, areas and different and varied boats on all continents ect.
But I suppose im done now, I prolly shoulda posted this on the VG fourm.
thank you to SOME people for actually making sense.
peace
and once again....I hit endgame in LOTRO and thats the ONLY reason I started this thread..... To see others who might have hit endgame or gotten good in LOTRO, who agree with me. And theres enough who did to satisfy me.
I play all ghame
VG? Is that a game? Last I heard it was a fish out of water?
That is ridiculous .... Turbine DID NOT lose their CEO because LOTRO failed in some way. By all accounts LOTRO is a financial success.... it isn't ever going to have WoW's subscriber numbers, but it has sold enough copies to keep people in jobs. Vanguard was such a dismal failure that the developers went out of business within a couple of months. I'd say the question on which game was a bigger failure would be settled by that fact alone. If it isn't, I guess we could look at reviews for each game. One was universally panned, and the other universally praised.
So far, I'm having trouble seeing any way to define LOTRO as a failure. I guess it would be a little easier if I was the worlds biggest Vanboy, an honer for which the OP is certainly in the running. My favorite thread of his so far is the one where he claims vanguard didn't get any bad reviews.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
I'm glad you are happy playing Vanguard OP. Its good that you leave a game after you don't like it anymore because it makes the ones who do enjoy it much happier.
And there are alot of us still enjoying it...even months after 'endgame'.
Why do I like LOTRO? Because it's fun...do I really need to explore it any further than that?
Yea very nice, but who on earth are you gonne play it whit?
I don't think anyone wants to play a dungeon were you fall trough the sealing.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
Vanguard is so "hardcore" that it PKed the company that made it forcing it to go out of business. The last known comment from Sigil was "OOoOoo oO OoOOo OOooOoOoO"
Sorry bud, Vanguard is the new industry standard for a failed MMO, perhaps only competing with SWG for biggest loser. LOTRO however shows how succesful a game can be.
You might like Vangaurd and enjoy paying to play a game that is very much still not ready for commercial launch thus making it a beta test, but that doesn't make it a winner by any means. Please go on feeling all hardcore if that helps you get through the day.
I will fire back a question and survey for you:
Neither game came out and really won me over.
Vanguard is just another fantasy game.
LotRO had more going for it by way of familiarity. Yes, it's fantasy... but it's not some over-the-top 'foreign' world that we were unaware of.
I voted LOTR daffid, im not a idiot.
also vanguard got crappy reviews all over the place. Were some of the really bad reviews by people who looked at the game fairly? no
you people, especially sandage are not understanding what im trying to get across.
oh well
I play all ghame
You are right that many don't get what you are "meaning", because your original message is a snippet of an incomplete thought with a title that suggests your post is about a complete different subject. maybe you meant commercial succes, maybe you meant nailing what an MMO should be or something about getting the lore right. It is hard to tell because you are all over the place. Then you go on about vanguard being some hard game and people being carebare just further dilutes anything you tried to say.
I honestly think I understand what you intended to say before getting all half cocked about being a leet hardcore players, but I still disagree with you.
I felt alive in LOTRO and the game did a wonderful job of making the feeling of impending war coming with the townfolks all confused and caught in denial in a LOW fantasy setting. Vanguard still has a very stiff and sterile air about it. The lore is lost in most quest and just seem to be excuses to complete tasks for random NPCs. That isn't 100% true and a bit of that also applies to LOTRO, but Vanguard missed the mark and LOTRO did a pretty good job.
I suspect the trouble is you are made of old school EQ stock like myself and LOTRO just didn't suit your playstyle where Vanguard does. That doesn't make LOTRO a failure by any means as it was made to appeal to a different market. Sigil going bust certainly makes Vanguard a failure though. The question remains will SOE not screw up a game with big potential?
Lotr nailed one thing perfectly. The pvp is a WHOLE lotta fun. The wide open monster zone that players can access as either a "good guy" or a "baddie" make the price of the box worth it. After years of trying to win games in WoW with part of the team sitting afk leeching honor it's refreshing to play with others actually there because they're having a good time.
If I get bored, I might even stick with it long enough to grind a non-monster up to 50 and go back to play against former team mates. And if that's not enough to send you running to Best Buys or Wal-Mart, love it for the eye candy and mark down sticker price. It might not qualify as Thanksgiving Dinner but it's definitely a great snack till the next one comes along.
If you look at MMOGDATA.VOIG.COM you'll see that LOTRO is increasing their amount of active supscriptions... Also they are adding alot of new contents all the time, so I would'nt say that LOTRO is a bigger failure then Vanguard
People just need to let that site go as a measure of a games success...and just be happy with how many people you see online
Cheers!
People just need to let that site go as a measure of a games success...and just be happy with how many people you see online
Cheers!
Well the site is ran by the guy who founded Codemasters Online division, has 15 years experiance in the gaming industry and currently runs a consultant business for MMO comapanies so if nothing else he has more credibility than the average fanboy or troll.
Bottom line though is the server populations are good with a lot of activity at all levels so that is all that matters like you said.
I miss DAoC
This thread is kinda pointless as there is no definitive answer. It's all a matter of perception, some people like Lotro, some like Vsoh, and others don't like either so really you can't ask this question and expect a good answer....especially not on the MMORPG.com forums =P
If i need to post more reasons on why I feel this way here ya go.
I am really disappointed because I was a really big fan of the game, followed it for a long long time. There was a time when it was actually 2d and they wanted to make a UO style middle-earth. Then Middle-earth online was announced and it looked amazing. As time went on we found out we would have 14 class choices, really unique and great char customization for race and lineage, a HUGE world blah blah blah.
As a hardcore MMO fan, and hardcore Tolkien fan this sounded like the best game ever. They seriously built it up like brad mcquaid did, and made it sound way better then what it was.
Then the project completely changed. 14 classes became 7 classes...and they said they would follow a linear storyline. No interaction with fellowship members, and they sized the zone down hardcore. Then I started beta testing it, and I stuck with it because I figured they would make the needed changes.
When the game was released finally, there were bugs I found in early beta 2 in starting zones. The char customization which i figured would get re-vamped just wasnt there. The world felt very small...okay like when fable came out, and you thought you could do anything? then when you played it, it was very constraining and the world wasnt truly open.
So sorry for being misleading. The original post and question I feel are very valid
LOTRO was just as rushed as VG.
But LOTRO is less deep, less size, less classes, races, customization..the list goes on!
so vanguard wins in my opinion.
I also started the thread because I know for a fact there are people who agree with me, and I wanted to get vanguard some attention for being the better game (IN MY OPINION)
peace
I play all ghame
People just need to let that site go as a measure of a games success...and just be happy with how many people you see online
Cheers!
Well the site is ran by the guy who founded Codemasters Online division, has 15 years experiance in the gaming industry and currently runs a consultant business for MMO comapanies so if nothing else he has more credibility than the average fanboy or troll.
Bottom line though is the server populations are good with a lot of activity at all levels so that is all that matters like you said.
And what is odd is...why do people keep posting this type of infoMMORPG thread..
QUOTE: On top of that the population is shrinking, at max level range(40-50) i couldnt find anyone around to do even the most popular dungeons. It takes hours just to get a group going and i play minstrel or guardian, the 2 must classes for any group. Just a while back when my main first made 50, the level 40-50 zones were spamming with lfg requests, and groups were going to those dungeons left and right. Nowdays, the whole zone has like maybe 10 people max, mostly afk / twinks soloing.
If the game is gaining according to that data...why do so many posts from different people state something like the above? I keep seeing this over and over....
I am confused...
What exactly was rushed about LOTRO? It is perhaps the single cleanest launch in MMO history as far as I know. What didn't work? From what I see of your opinions is that the game didn't cater to what you want in an mmo and somehow you equate that to failures and rushed launches. There is nothing wrong with turbine adjusting their game before launch to target a specific audience that doesn't include you (or me for that matter).
In the same token you gloss over the state Vanguard was in at launch which is one of the single worst launches in MMO history as if it wasn't a big deal. The company went out of business in less than 6 months. It doesn't get any worse than that.
It is fine that you like vanguard over LOTRO. There is nothing wrong with that. However if the only way you can campaign for a troubled game is to tear down another game then you have already failed. Either vanguard is fun or it isn't. Bashing LOTRO isn't going to make vanguard more fun, work any better or your post less troll bait.
How can LOTRO be a bigger failure than Vanguard ? , i highly doubt that since LOTRO wasnt released 65% done as Vanguard and yet has much more content , and alot better servers, graphics, friendly minded people.
I wonder what the hell your thinking on.
List of SOE lies
The OP clearly did not make it known what his post should have been about..
LOTRO's license alone means big sales....and Vanguard may be a better game play wise, but they dropped the ball, and with too many bugs, uncompleted area's...unless SOE can do some magic, it will die a painful death...which is too bad...mechanics wise the game had such potential..
Cheers!
threre i added the main reason i started this thread to the OP
I play all ghame
As to disappointment...yes, same here..I so wanted this game to be it...and in my favorite setting also..but, did not deliver like I wanted...
It did not suck, but also, was not what Middle Earth should have been
As to Vanguard...so much potential...wasted...and no one will give the game a chance because of it's bad rep...no matter how much you may like it..
With no trial (even though I heard that may be fixed) and no advertising...it may fade away...not unless SOE can pull an EQ2, and do a major turn around to this game within 6 months...then a maybe at that time
Cheers!
vanguard,lol.
perhaps theyll 'turn it around' like eq2(as in making it about playable and watch it limp along).
Vanguard was my biggest disappointment in front of getting to north downs in lotro only to see boars and wolves. vanguard only cost me £5,but still..£5 down the drain I suppose.
Keep waiting, bud.
Most LOTRO fans aren't going to take the time to respond to an obvious troll post. No reason to try to change your mind on a game you don't like.
Not all games are for everyone. Many love LOTRO and many don't. It all depends on what you're looking for.
But, trying to get a flame war going won't work here... you'll just be chatting with other haters, most of whom don't know much about the game to begin with and just want to join the bandwagon of haters... the biggest population on this site.
QFT.
I've honestly given up even trying to have a discussion with some of the posters here. It's like talking to a damn brick wall. How in god's name someone that hasn't played for close to six months could think they have a clearer picture of server populations or the current "state of the game" than players that are logging every night eludes me.
Whenever someone whines some some posters in particular are like "Truth say it like it is!" But when other posters point out politely "Umm, no actually that's not what it's like on my server" or "well, actually that's just your opinion" they are like "Fanboy! Liar!" It's really utterly pointless to try and have a conversation with someone like that.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.