I think that the changes to the game are stupid. Before this last patch, the game was easy. After this patch, they've made it even easier. It's starting to turn into Diablo 2. In a while, it won't be the same game anymore.
If subscription numbers were going down as many like to pretend they do, Blizz would also close or merge servers.
I am not convinced that this would be a good way to tell if the subscription numbers are going down. Because of chronic rerollers being extremely vocal on the WoW Forums, Blizzards released a good many more servers than their population warranted (NA Servers). Ever since the servers were released, they have been very low population. Most of the people who originally rolled on these servers to race to 70 have gone back to their original server leaving the new servers bare.
The low populations on these servers (I believe there are about 12-15 of them) have been clamoring for a merger for a while. Sometime in the near future, we may see these servers being folded into each other.
Blizzard hasn't release the subscriber numbers for North America or Europe in a while. The last time they did was back in January 2007 (pre-expansion). Back then, the numbers were:
We all know that there numbers peaked around the time of their expansion. I do not think that it would be pushing the bounds to logic to assume that there numbers would remain a little static (or even decrease a little) until the new expansion cames out. WoW is still going pretty strong. I once predicted that WoW would begin a long decline after their second expansion (about 20% a year). Now, I am beginning to second guess myself.
"Those who dislike things based only on the fact that they are popular are just as shallow and superficial as those who only like them for the same reason."
What I would like to see is a seperate count for Asia, US and EU. That would be more accurate, as the last time I rolled a little lowbie in a server which they(blizzard) said had high population, the lowbie areas where almost empty. I seriously doubt WoW grown that big in US/EU. Most likely the majority of the growth been in Asia.
Also its bloody stupid to count the players who just pay per hour. If they log in to play just for 1 hour pr month then they shouldnt be included in that count. Actually they shouldnt be counted at all, since they dont subscribe to the game. At most they should count each cafe as 1 subscriber as that would be a more accurate count since the internet cafes the asians play their games in, offer a big range of different games to play online. But I guess the Blizzard reps need a big number to show to their investors and so on.
Thats my 2 cents on that matter. And no, I dont hate WoW, I just think it gets very shallow and grindy when you reach endgame. Its a good game for the casual player, but the mmo vet need just a little bit more. Also I think they destroyed pvp in WoW when they introduced bg's in that game. It was actually fun to pvp before that crap.
Did you actually read the article at all? The 19% sales increase is for whole Vivendi Games, not for WoW alone.
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The 19% sales thing is fine but how do you explain the so called ' sub increase" when in July they announced over 9 million and now they are pretty much repeating themselves saying we have 9.3 mill at the end of the 3rd quarter. So in 4 months they according to their announcements from july-nov they didn't increase subs one bit. I am sure someone will say yeah they have 9.1 mil in July and increased to 9.3 mil in the end of the quarter just so they cover themselves to look good. No WOW hater here. I think it's a nice game but clearly the makers and publishers of this game sure like to make things out much bigger than what they probably are.
Yeah because 300,000 more subs is nothing. That's more than most other MMO's have total.
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Ahem... Let me correct you now since correcting people is fun.
Not necessarily. Speaking in the world of fast food in general, ignoring real resteraunts (calling all MMO's fast food) WoW would be the McDonalds of the MMO world... certainly not the best quality, but not to say any of the others are that great or good for you either ... yet a ton of people still eat there. Now... EVE might be like Arby's or something... not perfect, but a lot better/quality food than McDonalds, and the fact that it costs more would be like how EVE is more time consuming and takes concious thought to play.
We could do pizza analogies... WoW could be Little Caesars ... lol... then again I guess WoW isn't nearly THAT bad.
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Ahem... Let me correct you now since correcting people is fun.
Not necessarily. Speaking in the world of fast food in general, ignoring real resteraunts (calling all MMO's fast food) WoW would be the McDonalds of the MMO world... certainly not the best quality, but not to say any of the others are that great or good for you either ... yet a ton of people still eat there. Now... EVE might be like Arby's or something... not perfect, but a lot better/quality food than McDonalds, and the fact that it costs more would be like how EVE is more time consuming and takes concious thought to play.
We could do pizza analogies... WoW could be Little Caesars ... lol... then again I guess WoW isn't nearly THAT bad.
I HATE Arbys!!! Their food sucks!
Oh WAIT!!! NOW I see the analogy to fast food restaurants and WoW. It's completely arbitrary whether you think one is better than the other, it's just a matter of taste. Yes, it makes PERFECT sense now!
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Ahem... Let me correct you now since correcting people is fun.
Not necessarily. Speaking in the world of fast food in general, ignoring real resteraunts (calling all MMO's fast food) WoW would be the McDonalds of the MMO world... certainly not the best quality, but not to say any of the others are that great or good for you either ... yet a ton of people still eat there. Now... EVE might be like Arby's or something... not perfect, but a lot better/quality food than McDonalds, and the fact that it costs more would be like how EVE is more time consuming and takes concious thought to play.
We could do pizza analogies... WoW could be Little Caesars ... lol... then again I guess WoW isn't nearly THAT bad.
I HATE Arbys!!! Their food sucks!
Oh WAIT!!! NOW I see the analogy to fast food restaurants and WoW. It's completely arbitrary whether you think one is better than the other, it's just a matter of taste. Yes, it makes PERFECT sense now!
Hey hey now, don't be dissing Arby's....I love em with the horsey sauce....
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It's amazing that people are trying to spam this on the boards as if it will change peoples' opinions, GET THE MESSAGE!!!! I certainly don't give a crap about subscriber numbers, I don't give a crap about what excuses you can come up with for them hating it and I don't give a crap that I have played it for 2 years or more or HAVE to play it through all the way to enjoy it, I will always view the game as a load of crap if it is a grind, time sink, loot fest, hack and slash, kill everything a thousand times over and reputation grind, instanced and level up raidfest that it is.
Stop trying to prove things to WoW haters like a bunch of childish idiots and move along because even if you post a billion subscriber numbers on here it certainly isn't going to change MY mind and I really doubt it'll change anyone elses, there are free to play games that have more subscribers than WoW so it doesn't change anything, just go and post on the WoW official boards where that kind of moronic trolling is appreciated, in fact Blizzard practically encourage it because they barely even moderate the boards anymore.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Whats lame is they make more money then any other mmo company yet release content at a slower pace, at a higher cost, and at a lower quality ( well not that low, but the content they do release usually creates unabalenced classes, and very annoying bugs like for instance that orc should glitch they took so long to fix which when you look at how long they spend on these patches it shouldn't be acceptable).
One of the reasons i quit this game around 4 or 5 months ago was because they take so long to do anything. i mean you only just got that latest patch 2.3 it added some good content it seems but it is too little to late imo especilly when they were advertising the damn thing when i quit the game.
I cant believe they have only just attempted to fix AV as well after ruining it so long ago, or that in the last 5 months since i left they have added one patch that has like a 5th of the content of all the patches for instance Turbine has released for lord of the rings in the same time period.
Kind of shows it really doesnt matter how many subscribers they have because it doesnt seem to be benifiting the game as much as you would expect for example when like i have done above you compare it to the supposed second marketleader who only has 500k subscribers compared to wows 9.3 million plus.
Yet they seem to be releasing content at a faster pace in higher quanititys whislt mainting quality which you would expect blizzard to be doing as well but they dont. do nearly as much they are most likely capable of.
I think wow is going to lose a significant number of players soon, either from the mmos coming out, or if these mmos fail from blizzard releasing an expansion which is going to be like burning crusade more of the same, regardless of quality it is hard to believe that WOTLK will do as well as Burning crusade did when people know what to expect from Blizzards expansions now.
I wont go and bash WoW saying it is a crap game because it isnt 10 million people wouldnt be playing a shit game, it may not appeal to everyone but in terms of games if you make a game that that many people enjoy then it is a good game.
Edit: btw sorry for all the bad spelling its late and this spell checker seems to be broken ;p
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
I pretty sure the McDonald's analogy stems from all those WoW fanbois spouting the old snappy catch phrase "7 million people can't be wrong" (or whatever the number is at now)
So nah, that analogy won't be going away any time soon.
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
I pretty sure the McDonald's analogy stems from all those WoW fanbois spouting the old snappy catch phrase "7 million people can't be wrong" (or whatever the number is at now)
So nah, that analogy won't be going away any time soon.
The best way to debunck the MacDonalds analogy is thus;
1. WoW is not food
2. All MMO's cost the same per month give take a $ or 2.
3. WoW is the highest rate MMO in history, MAC'D is amoung the lowest rated Food in history so how are the two connected in terms of quality?
4. The only attribute the 2 products share is number of customers which is not related the similar quality or price.. as explained in points 2 and 3.
WoW got where it is thanks to a good IP, positive word of mouth and the highest reviews of an MMO in history... it stays where it is and has grown to 9+million thanks to a fun game with enough content to satisfy the majority and ofc possitive word of mouth again.
WoW has peeked but it took 3 years and it will take years before the population gets even close to that of other MMO's down to the 250-400k mark. Wow is not going away it will be top dog for many years. The only MMO on the horizon that might divert my monthly $15 mmo budget is CoS untill then WoW FTW.
It's amazing that people are trying to spam this on the boards as if it will change peoples' opinions, GET THE MESSAGE!!!! I certainly don't give a crap about subscriber numbers, I don't give a crap about what excuses you can come up with for them hating it and I don't give a crap that I have played it for 2 years or more or HAVE to play it through all the way to enjoy it, I will always view the game as a load of crap if it is a grind, time sink, loot fest, hack and slash, kill everything a thousand times over and reputation grind, instanced and level up raidfest that it is. Stop trying to prove things to WoW haters like a bunch of childish idiots and move along because even if you post a billion subscriber numbers on here it certainly isn't going to change MY mind and I really doubt it'll change anyone elses, there are free to play games that have more subscribers than WoW so it doesn't change anything, just go and post on the WoW official boards where that kind of moronic trolling is appreciated, in fact Blizzard practically encourage it because they barely even moderate the boards anymore.
All the growth has been in Asia though. NA and Europe sub numbers have been declining for some time now. We can't see the actual numbers of course but it makes sense that sub numbers would roughly follow the unofficial third-party activity charts.
I think the market is starting to split - WoW has always been an unapologetic grind-fest and such games are much more popular in the Asian market than they are here. I think WoW will remain first in total sub numbers for a long time to come but in certain regions they may be overtaken next year if any of the big new MMOs lives up to the hype.
At the end of the day everyone will benefit though. Competition is always good, it drives innovation.
Originally posted by cupertino 3. WoW is the highest rate MMO in history, MAC'D is amoung the lowest rated Food in history so how are the two connected in terms of quality?
That's in the WoW section, I assumed people who don't visit every section might be interested as well, considering it's a new milestone for mmorpg's.
Those of us who dont visit the WoW section dont for a reason.
And no, most of us dont care about WoWs new milestone.
WoW=McDonalds 9 million served but still gives you a belly ache, and the runs.
1) This forum is full of old school mmo gamers/WOW haters who think their first mmo is/was the best.
2) McDonalds is cheap, when WOW isn't compared to other games.
3) I suppose all those 9 million people would have quit already if Blizzard didn't have a gun against players heads.
Actually i dont hate WoW. After playing it for awhile i can honestly say that i have no feeling what so ever for WoW, and that is the problem with it at least for me. At least a game like Horizons made me feel something.(And the first MMO i ever played was the best MMO ever made)
And yes, you are right the 9 million people (which arent actually 9 million people) do not have a gun to their heads. But i eat McDonalds all the time, even though i know that it isnt good for me. Mainly because it is easy and doesnt take alot of effort (sounds a bit like WoW)
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Actually you never saw me mention that other games were better. Sadly (in my opinion) they all pretty much suck right now. I'm really hoping that the future will bring something better but im not going to hold my breath on that one.
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
That's in the WoW section, I assumed people who don't visit every section might be interested as well, considering it's a new milestone for mmorpg's.
Those of us who dont visit the WoW section dont for a reason.
And no, most of us dont care about WoWs new milestone.
WoW=McDonalds 9 million served but still gives you a belly ache, and the runs.
1) This forum is full of old school mmo gamers/WOW haters who think their first mmo is/was the best.
2) McDonalds is cheap, when WOW isn't compared to other games.
3) I suppose all those 9 million people would have quit already if Blizzard didn't have a gun against players heads.
Actually i dont hate WoW. After playing it for awhile i can honestly say that i have no feeling what so ever for WoW, and that is the problem with it at least for me. At least a game like Horizons made me feel something.(And the first MMO i ever played was the best MMO ever made)
And yes, you are right the 9 million people (which arent actually 9 million people) do not have a gun to their heads. But i eat McDonalds all the time, even though i know that it isnt good for me. Mainly because it is easy and doesnt take alot of effort (sounds a bit like WoW)
OH! That's just so horrible, cause everyone knows that the lack of feeling is so much more awful and sad than causing hatred. I mean, how bad can WOW be to cause you to not have feelings toward it. Clearly this is so much more crappy. A clear sign that it is a useless shell of a game that it could cause this lack of feeling within you. And it's so much more poetic and dramatic than hatred too. This clearly shows that you did try to like it. You had no malice in your heart. I feel you man.
Curse WOW and curse this hole in my heart they've created! Curse them for bringing this wretched misery on over 9 million. Though it is an insignificant number, where one person feels no sensation, it hurts us all. DAMN THEM!!!!
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If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Actually you never saw me mention that other games were better. Sadly (in my opinion) they all pretty much suck right now. I'm really hoping that the future will bring something better but im not going to hold my breath on that one.
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
It's original thinking like this that will change the world. Preach on!
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
That's in the WoW section, I assumed people who don't visit every section might be interested as well, considering it's a new milestone for mmorpg's.
Those of us who dont visit the WoW section dont for a reason.
And no, most of us dont care about WoWs new milestone.
WoW=McDonalds 9 million served but still gives you a belly ache, and the runs.
1) This forum is full of old school mmo gamers/WOW haters who think their first mmo is/was the best.
2) McDonalds is cheap, when WOW isn't compared to other games.
3) I suppose all those 9 million people would have quit already if Blizzard didn't have a gun against players heads.
Actually i dont hate WoW. After playing it for awhile i can honestly say that i have no feeling what so ever for WoW, and that is the problem with it at least for me. At least a game like Horizons made me feel something.(And the first MMO i ever played was the best MMO ever made)
And yes, you are right the 9 million people (which arent actually 9 million people) do not have a gun to their heads. But i eat McDonalds all the time, even though i know that it isnt good for me. Mainly because it is easy and doesnt take alot of effort (sounds a bit like WoW)
OH! That's just so horrible, cause everyone knows that the lack of feeling is so much more awful and sad than causing hatred. I mean, how bad can WOW be to cause you to not have feelings toward it. Clearly this is so much more crappy. A clear sign that it is a useless shell of a game that it could cause this lack of feeling within you. And it's so much more poetic and dramatic than hatred too. This clearly shows that you did try to like it. You had no malice in your heart. I feel you man.
Curse WOW and curse this hole in my heart they've created! Curse them for bringing this wretched misery on over 9 million. Though it is an insignificant number, where one person feels no sensation, it hurts us all. DAMN THEM!!!!
WoW, that was really poetic. I wasnt actually trying to write a tragedy but you saw right into my heart. If only i had your flavor for words, you should write plays or something. You can perform them in Stormwind, but you will have to compete with the people dancing on mailboxes.
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Actually you never saw me mention that other games were better. Sadly (in my opinion) they all pretty much suck right now. I'm really hoping that the future will bring something better but im not going to hold my breath on that one.
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
It's original thinking like this that will change the world. Preach on!
Actually it is the lack of original thinking that wont change the MMO world, thank you for making my point.
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality. Oh wait, they aren't. Lets forget that analogy then.
Actually you never saw me mention that other games were better. Sadly (in my opinion) they all pretty much suck right now. I'm really hoping that the future will bring something better but im not going to hold my breath on that one.
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
It's original thinking like this that will change the world. Preach on!
Actually it is the lack of original thinking that wont change the MMO world, thank you for making my point.
You're welcome. Points for everyone! Pass em down.
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I think that the changes to the game are stupid. Before this last patch, the game was easy. After this patch, they've made it even easier. It's starting to turn into Diablo 2. In a while, it won't be the same game anymore.
The low populations on these servers (I believe there are about 12-15 of them) have been clamoring for a merger for a while. Sometime in the near future, we may see these servers being folded into each other.
Blizzard hasn't release the subscriber numbers for North America or Europe in a while. The last time they did was back in January 2007 (pre-expansion). Back then, the numbers were:
North America Subscribers: 2 Million
Europe Subscribers: 1.5 Million
Total Subscribers: 8 Million
http://www.blizzard.com/press/070111.shtml
We all know that there numbers peaked around the time of their expansion. I do not think that it would be pushing the bounds to logic to assume that there numbers would remain a little static (or even decrease a little) until the new expansion cames out. WoW is still going pretty strong. I once predicted that WoW would begin a long decline after their second expansion (about 20% a year). Now, I am beginning to second guess myself.
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What I would like to see is a seperate count for Asia, US and EU. That would be more accurate, as the last time I rolled a little lowbie in a server which they(blizzard) said had high population, the lowbie areas where almost empty. I seriously doubt WoW grown that big in US/EU. Most likely the majority of the growth been in Asia.
Also its bloody stupid to count the players who just pay per hour. If they log in to play just for 1 hour pr month then they shouldnt be included in that count. Actually they shouldnt be counted at all, since they dont subscribe to the game. At most they should count each cafe as 1 subscriber as that would be a more accurate count since the internet cafes the asians play their games in, offer a big range of different games to play online. But I guess the Blizzard reps need a big number to show to their investors and so on.
Thats my 2 cents on that matter. And no, I dont hate WoW, I just think it gets very shallow and grindy when you reach endgame. Its a good game for the casual player, but the mmo vet need just a little bit more. Also I think they destroyed pvp in WoW when they introduced bg's in that game. It was actually fun to pvp before that crap.
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Yeah because 300,000 more subs is nothing. That's more than most other MMO's have total.
If WoW is MacDonalds then that must mean that other MMORPGs are of much higher quality.
Oh wait, they aren't.
Lets forget that analogy then.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
LOL... and people say wow will be replaced by another game LOLOL!
DDo is a steakhouse undoubtedly.
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Ahem... Let me correct you now since correcting people is fun.
Not necessarily. Speaking in the world of fast food in general, ignoring real resteraunts (calling all MMO's fast food) WoW would be the McDonalds of the MMO world... certainly not the best quality, but not to say any of the others are that great or good for you either ... yet a ton of people still eat there. Now... EVE might be like Arby's or something... not perfect, but a lot better/quality food than McDonalds, and the fact that it costs more would be like how EVE is more time consuming and takes concious thought to play.
We could do pizza analogies... WoW could be Little Caesars
... lol... then again I guess WoW isn't nearly THAT bad.
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Ahem... Let me correct you now since correcting people is fun.
Not necessarily. Speaking in the world of fast food in general, ignoring real resteraunts (calling all MMO's fast food) WoW would be the McDonalds of the MMO world... certainly not the best quality, but not to say any of the others are that great or good for you either ... yet a ton of people still eat there. Now... EVE might be like Arby's or something... not perfect, but a lot better/quality food than McDonalds, and the fact that it costs more would be like how EVE is more time consuming and takes concious thought to play.
We could do pizza analogies... WoW could be Little Caesars
... lol... then again I guess WoW isn't nearly THAT bad.
I HATE Arbys!!! Their food sucks!
Oh WAIT!!! NOW I see the analogy to fast food restaurants and WoW. It's completely arbitrary whether you think one is better than the other, it's just a matter of taste. Yes, it makes PERFECT sense now!
Ahem... Let me correct you now since correcting people is fun.
Not necessarily. Speaking in the world of fast food in general, ignoring real resteraunts (calling all MMO's fast food) WoW would be the McDonalds of the MMO world... certainly not the best quality, but not to say any of the others are that great or good for you either ... yet a ton of people still eat there. Now... EVE might be like Arby's or something... not perfect, but a lot better/quality food than McDonalds, and the fact that it costs more would be like how EVE is more time consuming and takes concious thought to play.
We could do pizza analogies... WoW could be Little Caesars
... lol... then again I guess WoW isn't nearly THAT bad.
I HATE Arbys!!! Their food sucks!
Oh WAIT!!! NOW I see the analogy to fast food restaurants and WoW. It's completely arbitrary whether you think one is better than the other, it's just a matter of taste. Yes, it makes PERFECT sense now!
Hey hey now, don't be dissing Arby's....I love em with the horsey sauce....
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It's amazing that people are trying to spam this on the boards as if it will change peoples' opinions, GET THE MESSAGE!!!! I certainly don't give a crap about subscriber numbers, I don't give a crap about what excuses you can come up with for them hating it and I don't give a crap that I have played it for 2 years or more or HAVE to play it through all the way to enjoy it, I will always view the game as a load of crap if it is a grind, time sink, loot fest, hack and slash, kill everything a thousand times over and reputation grind, instanced and level up raidfest that it is.
Stop trying to prove things to WoW haters like a bunch of childish idiots and move along because even if you post a billion subscriber numbers on here it certainly isn't going to change MY mind and I really doubt it'll change anyone elses, there are free to play games that have more subscribers than WoW so it doesn't change anything, just go and post on the WoW official boards where that kind of moronic trolling is appreciated, in fact Blizzard practically encourage it because they barely even moderate the boards anymore.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Whats lame is they make more money then any other mmo company yet release content at a slower pace, at a higher cost, and at a lower quality ( well not that low, but the content they do release usually creates unabalenced classes, and very annoying bugs like for instance that orc should glitch they took so long to fix which when you look at how long they spend on these patches it shouldn't be acceptable).
One of the reasons i quit this game around 4 or 5 months ago was because they take so long to do anything. i mean you only just got that latest patch 2.3 it added some good content it seems but it is too little to late imo especilly when they were advertising the damn thing when i quit the game.
I cant believe they have only just attempted to fix AV as well after ruining it so long ago, or that in the last 5 months since i left they have added one patch that has like a 5th of the content of all the patches for instance Turbine has released for lord of the rings in the same time period.
Kind of shows it really doesnt matter how many subscribers they have because it doesnt seem to be benifiting the game as much as you would expect for example when like i have done above you compare it to the supposed second marketleader who only has 500k subscribers compared to wows 9.3 million plus.
Yet they seem to be releasing content at a faster pace in higher quanititys whislt mainting quality which you would expect blizzard to be doing as well but they dont. do nearly as much they are most likely capable of.
I think wow is going to lose a significant number of players soon, either from the mmos coming out, or if these mmos fail from blizzard releasing an expansion which is going to be like burning crusade more of the same, regardless of quality it is hard to believe that WOTLK will do as well as Burning crusade did when people know what to expect from Blizzards expansions now.
I wont go and bash WoW saying it is a crap game because it isnt 10 million people wouldnt be playing a shit game, it may not appeal to everyone but in terms of games if you make a game that that many people enjoy then it is a good game.
Edit: btw sorry for all the bad spelling its late and this spell checker seems to be broken ;p
I pretty sure the McDonald's analogy stems from all those WoW fanbois spouting the old snappy catch phrase "7 million people can't be wrong" (or whatever the number is at now)
So nah, that analogy won't be going away any time soon.
I pretty sure the McDonald's analogy stems from all those WoW fanbois spouting the old snappy catch phrase "7 million people can't be wrong" (or whatever the number is at now)
So nah, that analogy won't be going away any time soon.
The best way to debunck the MacDonalds analogy is thus;
1. WoW is not food
2. All MMO's cost the same per month give take a $ or 2.
3. WoW is the highest rate MMO in history, MAC'D is amoung the lowest rated Food in history so how are the two connected in terms of quality?
4. The only attribute the 2 products share is number of customers which is not related the similar quality or price.. as explained in points 2 and 3.
WoW got where it is thanks to a good IP, positive word of mouth and the highest reviews of an MMO in history... it stays where it is and has grown to 9+million thanks to a fun game with enough content to satisfy the majority and ofc possitive word of mouth again.
WoW has peeked but it took 3 years and it will take years before the population gets even close to that of other MMO's down to the 250-400k mark. Wow is not going away it will be top dog for many years. The only MMO on the horizon that might divert my monthly $15 mmo budget is CoS untill then WoW FTW.
Irony at it's finest.
All the growth has been in Asia though. NA and Europe sub numbers have been declining for some time now. We can't see the actual numbers of course but it makes sense that sub numbers would roughly follow the unofficial third-party activity charts.
I think the market is starting to split - WoW has always been an unapologetic grind-fest and such games are much more popular in the Asian market than they are here. I think WoW will remain first in total sub numbers for a long time to come but in certain regions they may be overtaken next year if any of the big new MMOs lives up to the hype.
At the end of the day everyone will benefit though. Competition is always good, it drives innovation.
Why are you haters posting in the wow boards if you don't like it ?
9.3mil can't be wrong ...live with it
but #3 is not about quality of fast food
WoW is like McDonalds that is FAST and EASY to play and max level a character
WoW effectively inspired ALL existing Commercial MMOs to *dumb down* the levelling process
whether thats a good or bad thing depends on the player
WoW has inspired all current/future MMOs to be "easy mode"
EQ2 fan sites
That's in the WoW section, I assumed people who don't visit every section might be interested as well, considering it's a new milestone for mmorpg's.
Those of us who dont visit the WoW section dont for a reason.And no, most of us dont care about WoWs new milestone.
WoW=McDonalds 9 million served but still gives you a belly ache, and the runs.
1) This forum is full of old school mmo gamers/WOW haters who think their first mmo is/was the best.2) McDonalds is cheap, when WOW isn't compared to other games.
3) I suppose all those 9 million people would have quit already if Blizzard didn't have a gun against players heads.
Actually i dont hate WoW. After playing it for awhile i can honestly say that i have no feeling what so ever for WoW, and that is the problem with it at least for me. At least a game like Horizons made me feel something.(And the first MMO i ever played was the best MMO ever made)And yes, you are right the 9 million people (which arent actually 9 million people) do not have a gun to their heads. But i eat McDonalds all the time, even though i know that it isnt good for me. Mainly because it is easy and doesnt take alot of effort (sounds a bit like WoW)
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
That's in the WoW section, I assumed people who don't visit every section might be interested as well, considering it's a new milestone for mmorpg's.
Those of us who dont visit the WoW section dont for a reason.And no, most of us dont care about WoWs new milestone.
WoW=McDonalds 9 million served but still gives you a belly ache, and the runs.
1) This forum is full of old school mmo gamers/WOW haters who think their first mmo is/was the best.2) McDonalds is cheap, when WOW isn't compared to other games.
3) I suppose all those 9 million people would have quit already if Blizzard didn't have a gun against players heads.
Actually i dont hate WoW. After playing it for awhile i can honestly say that i have no feeling what so ever for WoW, and that is the problem with it at least for me. At least a game like Horizons made me feel something.(And the first MMO i ever played was the best MMO ever made)And yes, you are right the 9 million people (which arent actually 9 million people) do not have a gun to their heads. But i eat McDonalds all the time, even though i know that it isnt good for me. Mainly because it is easy and doesnt take alot of effort (sounds a bit like WoW)
OH! That's just so horrible, cause everyone knows that the lack of feeling is so much more awful and sad than causing hatred. I mean, how bad can WOW be to cause you to not have feelings toward it. Clearly this is so much more crappy. A clear sign that it is a useless shell of a game that it could cause this lack of feeling within you. And it's so much more poetic and dramatic than hatred too. This clearly shows that you did try to like it. You had no malice in your heart. I feel you man.Curse WOW and curse this hole in my heart they've created! Curse them for bringing this wretched misery on over 9 million. Though it is an insignificant number, where one person feels no sensation, it hurts us all. DAMN THEM!!!!
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
It's original thinking like this that will change the world. Preach on!
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
That's in the WoW section, I assumed people who don't visit every section might be interested as well, considering it's a new milestone for mmorpg's.
Those of us who dont visit the WoW section dont for a reason.And no, most of us dont care about WoWs new milestone.
WoW=McDonalds 9 million served but still gives you a belly ache, and the runs.
1) This forum is full of old school mmo gamers/WOW haters who think their first mmo is/was the best.2) McDonalds is cheap, when WOW isn't compared to other games.
3) I suppose all those 9 million people would have quit already if Blizzard didn't have a gun against players heads.
Actually i dont hate WoW. After playing it for awhile i can honestly say that i have no feeling what so ever for WoW, and that is the problem with it at least for me. At least a game like Horizons made me feel something.(And the first MMO i ever played was the best MMO ever made)And yes, you are right the 9 million people (which arent actually 9 million people) do not have a gun to their heads. But i eat McDonalds all the time, even though i know that it isnt good for me. Mainly because it is easy and doesnt take alot of effort (sounds a bit like WoW)
OH! That's just so horrible, cause everyone knows that the lack of feeling is so much more awful and sad than causing hatred. I mean, how bad can WOW be to cause you to not have feelings toward it. Clearly this is so much more crappy. A clear sign that it is a useless shell of a game that it could cause this lack of feeling within you. And it's so much more poetic and dramatic than hatred too. This clearly shows that you did try to like it. You had no malice in your heart. I feel you man.Curse WOW and curse this hole in my heart they've created! Curse them for bringing this wretched misery on over 9 million. Though it is an insignificant number, where one person feels no sensation, it hurts us all. DAMN THEM!!!!
WoW, that was really poetic. I wasnt actually trying to write a tragedy but you saw right into my heart. If only i had your flavor for words, you should write plays or something. You can perform them in Stormwind, but you will have to compete with the people dancing on mailboxes.
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
It's original thinking like this that will change the world. Preach on!
Actually it is the lack of original thinking that wont change the MMO world, thank you for making my point.
The thing that i do hate about WoW is that it brought in so much money that ever developer out there is scarred to do anything different (or want some of that money) so they just try for the next WoW. Sadly the bomb that was Vanguards launch helped scare people that direction also.
It's original thinking like this that will change the world. Preach on!
Actually it is the lack of original thinking that wont change the MMO world, thank you for making my point.
You're welcome. Points for everyone! Pass em down.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online