Im not going to argue with you anymore Dreadlich. If you are honestly happy with the direction MMOs are going then good for you, im sure that you can stay with WoW for a few more years or move on to the next game just like it.
Some of us would just like more, maybe we will both get what we want.
You can't base any population reports to be even remotely accurate. Vivendi or any other company bases their facts off of statistical entry data. If you look it up (and Blizzard knows this to be true), many "gold farmers" purchase or get 'hand-outs' of 10-day free trial entries/accounts in order to spam WoW account creations. This way they can create & max out the characters per account, then leave the account and go onto the next. Who knows how many hundreds-of-thousands of accounts have been processed this way.
This has been the issue in many other games, i.e. Lineage 2 with over 14million 'active' accounts. Honestly, the server-status websites are probably a better tool to calculate (per server) 'real-time' population. Then just add up all the servers, find an average count per server, and take an estimate.
thats all the subs they ever had they have around 500k active the rest are unactive or trials accounts >>>
They don't count inactive, canceled or trial accounts as "subscribers" in their report. There are a LOT of asians playing. Quite a few in NA and Europe too. Look at Blizzard's fanbase in Asia and it's not that hard to believe the 9+ mil active account figure.
It's a polished decent game that makes many people happy. Anyone that hates on it is a tool and a fool. It's a game and it's doing what games do.... entertaining. So hate or ambivilate (made up word for the act of being ambivilant - yes I am a creator of words) all you want, it has single-handedly brought the world into the MMO market and things will never be the same.
I loved Planetside, Counterstrike, EVE, DAoC and many multiplayer RTS games. I like the Sims, SimCity and Rollercoaster Tycoon. I like racing game (GT the best). I loved Falcon 3.0, Civ, HoMM, Tekken, Soul Calibur, etc. etc. etc. And even though I got bored and repeatedly quit WOW (like every other game I've ever played), I think it's a damn good game. Reaching over 9.3 mil active subs is a phenominal accomplishment in this industry and having all the WOW trashing pinheads pipe up to belittle it is expected, funny and a tiny bit annoying. But oh well.
GG Blizzard. Hope the gaming industry continues to expand and grow in whatever direction it can. Games are good.
EDIT: Not sure why this thread was created in the first place since the exact same thing is covered in a thread started 1 day before this one, but as it's been stated there already:
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules. Learn to read and think about what you said. Vivendi, which is a publically traded company and discloses it's financial gains from Blizzard said that World of Warcraft revenue was over $1,300,000,000 last fiscal year. That is $1.3 Billion dollars on the paper work they pay their taxes on. You can deny all you want to, but they are not just saying 9.3 million subscribers to make things up. They are saying that because they HAVE to disclose the information to show their taxing authority where they got $1.3 Billion dollars and how they are spending/investing it.
If they DID fudge those numbers, they'd be in some deep doodoo with their shareholders.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the game at all. I played WoW and thought is was great! Reason I stopped is that the game really doesn't hold character value at all. Honestly, I could simply reroll a class again, level it to 70, get into a half-decent guild and grab all the end-game epic gear within 2 months. There are some people (like myself) that have played there reg characters since release in 2004....
Anyways, that wasn't really my issue. I just don't want people to get confused on population status. People should realize that account subscriptions and active accounts are two totally different things. 9 million sold software packages is one thing >> 9 million active players is another. For a small company, Blizzard is known for attracting all possible target markets in order to gain revenue caps for their share-holders (so they really don't care what course the game takes..), and they do it well through their advertising techniques.
yea go play on a hevay pop server count how manys erver there is and firgure how many people ar even on it isnt no 9 mill ffxi has 30 servers and you used to find 4k people on and i mean people all over the place i have nveer even once seen WoW have that many on excpet for maybe in the main places
ffxi had 1 million active accounts at that time
You know this is an excellent point. If WoW has that many active subscribers...where are they? They sure as hell aren't on the NA servers, I was bored last weekend and didn’t have much to do so I cruised around WoW's servers. What I found mostly was complete ghost towns. Even on the mac daddy Argent dawn......it was down right deserted save for the twenty or so level 1 gold spammers shouting their ads in the middle of Stormwind. I log into LOTRO the cities are bustling you can see people are playing, same thing with EQ II since the expansion Qyenos has become a major crossroad and on most servers it's downright crowded.
But the King WoW servers are eerily lacking in people and that is what is confuses me . This isn't a WoW bash I play and enjoy the game I just can't for the life of me see how the NA servers even have a million people much less what Blizzard is claiming.
I believe wow is a great jumping off point for those who have yet to experience this genre of ours. A gateway drug, if you will. I started there, and so did many of my friends. After a while, I craved more depth and challenge, so I moved on to other more hardcore products. Despite how anyone feels about this game, it is a fact that it helped to bring this genre to the attention of the masses. Now I do have one question. Is it 9.3 million copies sold, or 9.3 million active subs?
Its just a temporary drop in subs because of the announcement of the expansion pack. once the expansion is released, the numbers will either go back to its original before the drop or rise higher.
Im not going to argue with you anymore Dreadlich. If you are honestly happy with the direction MMOs are going then good for you, im sure that you can stay with WoW for a few more years or move on to the next game just like it. Some of us would just like more, maybe we will both get what we want.
That's great, you go do that and find the right MMO for you, in the meantime we will stay here and enjoy what we enjoy.
Please be sure to tell me what MMO you choose so I can come and troll it's forums and say how much it sucks.
yea go play on a hevay pop server count how manys erver there is and firgure how many people ar even on it isnt no 9 mill ffxi has 30 servers and you used to find 4k people on and i mean people all over the place i have nveer even once seen WoW have that many on excpet for maybe in the main places
ffxi had 1 million active accounts at that time
You know this is an excellent point. If WoW has that many active subscribers...where are they? They sure as hell aren't on the NA servers, I was bored last weekend and didn’t have much to do so I cruised around WoW's servers. What I found mostly was complete ghost towns. Even on the mac daddy Argent dawn......it was down right deserted save for the twenty or so level 1 gold spammers shouting their ads in the middle of Stormwind. I log into LOTRO the cities are bustling you can see people are playing, same thing with EQ II since the expansion Qyenos has become a major crossroad and on most servers it's downright crowded.
But the King WoW servers are eerily lacking in people and that is what is confuses me . This isn't a WoW bash I play and enjoy the game I just can't for the life of me see how the NA servers even have a million people much less what Blizzard is claiming.
I know more often than not, when I log into Aerie Peak I'm about 200 in queue...
Im not going to argue with you anymore Dreadlich. If you are honestly happy with the direction MMOs are going then good for you, im sure that you can stay with WoW for a few more years or move on to the next game just like it. Some of us would just like more, maybe we will both get what we want.
That's great, you go do that and find the right MMO for you, in the meantime we will stay here and enjoy what we enjoy.
Please be sure to tell me what MMO you choose so I can come and troll it's forums and say how much it sucks.
I most definitely will, if i ever find one.
But im not sure i was trolling, its not like i said "WOW SUXXORS!!!!!!!!". I simply stated why i dont think it is all that great. And yes, i should not come onto the WoW forum and state how i dont like WoW and why, but then again i should not have to read how great WoW is on every other forum either.
And by the way, this thread was started in the General Forum, not the WoW forum (it was moved). So i didnt come onto WoWs forum to bust on it.
It is strange how its subscribers keep going up. I mean I don't think I doubt it, but if you think about for a moment: To have a rising figure you need New subscribers+Resubscribing figures> than those people leaving, or stopping their subscription.
So, okay the Asian market can be manipulated to represent a figure that doesn't need to decline since its including internet cafes and that and as long as its being played they can keep an almost stationary figure. Outside of that with the usual market are there really this many long-term subscribers? or are there really lots and lots of people still starting new to WoW?
Unless of course, the Asian figures are being upped each time which would account for any loss of subscribers in the Western market and therefore would mean an increased figure. I don't know. It certainly would account for the lack of variance of the figure. (subscribers go down in summer months generally with mmorpgs-(incidentally this means it will go up these winters months and more with the expansion))
I wish I could find the guy who swore, literally swore, that WoW subs would fall off dramatically within six months... this was about spring 2005 after the initial 'honeymoon' had apparently worn off.
I believe his moniker was Poe.
I'd like to shove 9.3 million subs down his throat and watch him choke.
It is strange how its subscribers keep going up. I mean I don't think I doubt it, but if you think about for a moment:
To have a rising figure you need New subscribers+Resubscribing figures> than those people leaving, or stopping their subscription. So, okay the Asian market can be manipulated to represent a figure that doesn't need to decline since its including internet cafes and that and as long as its being played they can keep an almost stationary figure. Outside of that with the usual market are there really this many long-term subscribers? or are there really lots and lots of people still starting new to WoW? Unless of course, the Asian figures are being upped each time which would account for any loss of subscribers in the Western market and therefore would mean an increased figure. I don't know. It certainly would account for the lack of variance of the figure. (subscribers go down in summer months generally with mmorpgs-(incidentally this means it will go up these winters months and more with the expansion))
It's not really all that hard to figure out. Go look at the monthly sales totals from any number of sources and WoW continues to be in the top 10. Yeah, they are still selling that many new boxes each month in the US. And if you just bought a box, I'm assuming you are going to actually use it. IE, new box means new active subscription. They may not be getting as many new as leave each month, but they are getting a bunch new, even in the US, that much is certain.
yeah theres no doubt there are new subscribers. Just there will come a point where theres limited amounts of new players who will buy it. But it does seem WoW is at #11 in the Amazon bestsellers chart.
& how many of that 9.3 million are actually in the US?
Um, who cares? How does this matter at all?
Um, I do. And if you had ever played an asian MMO you would know that it does matter.
I tell you what, Blizzard's account could and do care. 1 BILLION a year is one hell of a lot of revenue for a gaming company. I bet that the people who founded Blizzard are kicking themselves in the arse right now for selling out to Vivendi. Those founders could be mega rich today.
I just love doing funny math on MMORPG.com!
haha ok, here it goes.
Let's pretend... since you can pick up WoW for 19.99 now, but it was 49.99 before... let's say... we'll put our average box price over time at 29.99 (more people probably bought after the initial craze then during it.) So that number, multiplied by 9.3 million = 278,907,000 $
Then let's go with half the 9.3 million who upgraded to BC for.. how much was it? ummm.. 39.99?
So 4.65 million x 39.99 = 185,953,500 $
WoW has been out... 4 years? 4 x 12 months = 48 months... everyone got 1 month free.. so 47 months... multiplied by let's say average of 13.99 a month = 657.53$ so then multiply that by 9.3 million = 6,115,029,000 $
Add them all up...
6,579,889,500 total revenue. 6.58 billion.
And that doesn't include advertising they've done, sale of other merchandise like toys, the card game, etc. character transfers and all other revenue WoW has made them...
Point is Shannia, WoW has made them more the 1 billion a year in revenue. I'd say with everything total at least 7 billion over the pats 4 years. So 1.75 billion a year.
haha I love funny math. Rough estimates and guesswork for the win!
oh, and the millions and millons of copies of Warcraft 1-3 and Diablo series and Starcraft... Blizzard is probably one of the most profitable (if not THE most profitable) game studios in the world.
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Yes, I know my math is ridiculously bad but this post just wasted 10 minutes so it was worth it!
Im not going to argue with you anymore Dreadlich. If you are honestly happy with the direction MMOs are going then good for you, im sure that you can stay with WoW for a few more years or move on to the next game just like it. Some of us would just like more, maybe we will both get what we want.
That's great, you go do that and find the right MMO for you, in the meantime we will stay here and enjoy what we enjoy.
Please be sure to tell me what MMO you choose so I can come and troll it's forums and say how much it sucks.
I most definitely will, if i ever find one.
But im not sure i was trolling, its not like i said "WOW SUXXORS!!!!!!!!". I simply stated why i dont think it is all that great. And yes, i should not come onto the WoW forum and state how i dont like WoW and why, but then again i should not have to read how great WoW is on every other forum either.
And by the way, this thread was started in the General Forum, not the WoW forum (it was moved). So i didnt come onto WoWs forum to bust on it.
Although I'm glad you didn't come here just blabbing how stupid WoW is and used constructive critisism, my post was more directed at the people who do. My comment was just based off of what you stated in that one post, not what you had posted before.
I'm sorry I may have been just venting, that was more of a way to get something off of my chest. I always welcome constructive critisism to anything, including WoW, unfortunatly you're one of the few people who use it.
yeah theres no doubt there are new subscribers. Just there will come a point where theres limited amounts of new players who will buy it. But it does seem WoW is at #11 in the Amazon bestsellers chart.
Actually WoW was at #4 AND #13 for October. How can it be both? Because WoW was #4 and the Battle Chest edition which includes both WoW and the expansion was #13. The expansion is #5, but purchasing it doesn't necessarily mean a new subscription. But then there were probably more than a few of those purchasing the expansion that were coming back to the game. Add it all up and WoW still outsells practically everything, 3 years after initial launch. That's simply mind boggling. Those people claiming that WoW has 500K active subscribers are in denial. Big Time!
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Im not going to argue with you anymore Dreadlich. If you are honestly happy with the direction MMOs are going then good for you, im sure that you can stay with WoW for a few more years or move on to the next game just like it.
Some of us would just like more, maybe we will both get what we want.
thats all the subs they ever had they have around 500k active the rest are unactive or trials accounts >>>
Now, i dont think that WoW has 10 million actually living people playing it right now but i certainly dont believe that either.
You can't base any population reports to be even remotely accurate. Vivendi or any other company bases their facts off of statistical entry data. If you look it up (and Blizzard knows this to be true), many "gold farmers" purchase or get 'hand-outs' of 10-day free trial entries/accounts in order to spam WoW account creations. This way they can create & max out the characters per account, then leave the account and go onto the next. Who knows how many hundreds-of-thousands of accounts have been processed this way.
This has been the issue in many other games, i.e. Lineage 2 with over 14million 'active' accounts. Honestly, the server-status websites are probably a better tool to calculate (per server) 'real-time' population. Then just add up all the servers, find an average count per server, and take an estimate.
yea go play on a hevay pop server count how manys erver there is and firgure how many people ar even on it isnt no 9 mill
ffxi has 30 servers and you used to find 4k people on and i mean people all over the place
i have nveer even once seen WoW have that many on excpet for maybe in the main places
ffxi had 1 million active accounts at that time
They don't count inactive, canceled or trial accounts as "subscribers" in their report. There are a LOT of asians playing. Quite a few in NA and Europe too. Look at Blizzard's fanbase in Asia and it's not that hard to believe the 9+ mil active account figure.
It's a polished decent game that makes many people happy. Anyone that hates on it is a tool and a fool. It's a game and it's doing what games do.... entertaining. So hate or ambivilate (made up word for the act of being ambivilant - yes I am a creator of words) all you want, it has single-handedly brought the world into the MMO market and things will never be the same.
I loved Planetside, Counterstrike, EVE, DAoC and many multiplayer RTS games. I like the Sims, SimCity and Rollercoaster Tycoon. I like racing game (GT the best). I loved Falcon 3.0, Civ, HoMM, Tekken, Soul Calibur, etc. etc. etc. And even though I got bored and repeatedly quit WOW (like every other game I've ever played), I think it's a damn good game. Reaching over 9.3 mil active subs is a phenominal accomplishment in this industry and having all the WOW trashing pinheads pipe up to belittle it is expected, funny and a tiny bit annoying. But oh well.
GG Blizzard. Hope the gaming industry continues to expand and grow in whatever direction it can. Games are good.
EDIT: Not sure why this thread was created in the first place since the exact same thing is covered in a thread started 1 day before this one, but as it's been stated there already:
If they DID fudge those numbers, they'd be in some deep doodoo with their shareholders.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on the game at all. I played WoW and thought is was great! Reason I stopped is that the game really doesn't hold character value at all. Honestly, I could simply reroll a class again, level it to 70, get into a half-decent guild and grab all the end-game epic gear within 2 months. There are some people (like myself) that have played there reg characters since release in 2004....
Anyways, that wasn't really my issue. I just don't want people to get confused on population status. People should realize that account subscriptions and active accounts are two totally different things. 9 million sold software packages is one thing >> 9 million active players is another. For a small company, Blizzard is known for attracting all possible target markets in order to gain revenue caps for their share-holders (so they really don't care what course the game takes..), and they do it well through their advertising techniques.
You know this is an excellent point. If WoW has that many active subscribers...where are they? They sure as hell aren't on the NA servers, I was bored last weekend and didn’t have much to do so I cruised around WoW's servers. What I found mostly was complete ghost towns. Even on the mac daddy Argent dawn......it was down right deserted save for the twenty or so level 1 gold spammers shouting their ads in the middle of Stormwind. I log into LOTRO the cities are bustling you can see people are playing, same thing with EQ II since the expansion Qyenos has become a major crossroad and on most servers it's downright crowded.
But the King WoW servers are eerily lacking in people and that is what is confuses me . This isn't a WoW bash I play and enjoy the game I just can't for the life of me see how the NA servers even have a million people much less what Blizzard is claiming.
this is blizzard old marketing bs, if you guys check the last months graphics wow is losing alot of people on US servers and some on euro servers too.
www.warcraftrealms.com/temp/activity-0907.htm
I believe wow is a great jumping off point for those who have yet to experience this genre of ours. A gateway drug, if you will. I started there, and so did many of my friends. After a while, I craved more depth and challenge, so I moved on to other more hardcore products. Despite how anyone feels about this game, it is a fact that it helped to bring this genre to the attention of the masses. Now I do have one question. Is it 9.3 million copies sold, or 9.3 million active subs?
Its just a temporary drop in subs because of the announcement of the expansion pack. once the expansion is released, the numbers will either go back to its original before the drop or rise higher.
i still say there isnt 9.3 million acitve accounts maybe how many subscriptiions have bene made but are they all active i doubt it
Please be sure to tell me what MMO you choose so I can come and troll it's forums and say how much it sucks.
Ignoring reality ^^ They clearly define active subs, they always do ^^
You know this is an excellent point. If WoW has that many active subscribers...where are they? They sure as hell aren't on the NA servers, I was bored last weekend and didn’t have much to do so I cruised around WoW's servers. What I found mostly was complete ghost towns. Even on the mac daddy Argent dawn......it was down right deserted save for the twenty or so level 1 gold spammers shouting their ads in the middle of Stormwind. I log into LOTRO the cities are bustling you can see people are playing, same thing with EQ II since the expansion Qyenos has become a major crossroad and on most servers it's downright crowded.
But the King WoW servers are eerily lacking in people and that is what is confuses me . This isn't a WoW bash I play and enjoy the game I just can't for the life of me see how the NA servers even have a million people much less what Blizzard is claiming.
I know more often than not, when I log into Aerie Peak I'm about 200 in queue...
Evil will always win, because Good is dumb.
That's great, you go do that and find the right MMO for you, in the meantime we will stay here and enjoy what we enjoy.Please be sure to tell me what MMO you choose so I can come and troll it's forums and say how much it sucks.
I most definitely will, if i ever find one.
But im not sure i was trolling, its not like i said "WOW SUXXORS!!!!!!!!". I simply stated why i dont think it is all that great. And yes, i should not come onto the WoW forum and state how i dont like WoW and why, but then again i should not have to read how great WoW is on every other forum either.
And by the way, this thread was started in the General Forum, not the WoW forum (it was moved). So i didnt come onto WoWs forum to bust on it.
Blizzard does not count subscribers, they only count boxs sells.
Gotta love Marketing/internet propaganda
Playing: Everthing
Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
It is strange how its subscribers keep going up. I mean I don't think I doubt it, but if you think about for a moment:
To have a rising figure you need New subscribers+Resubscribing figures> than those people leaving, or stopping their subscription.
So, okay the Asian market can be manipulated to represent a figure that doesn't need to decline since its including internet cafes and that and as long as its being played they can keep an almost stationary figure. Outside of that with the usual market are there really this many long-term subscribers? or are there really lots and lots of people still starting new to WoW?
Unless of course, the Asian figures are being upped each time which would account for any loss of subscribers in the Western market and therefore would mean an increased figure. I don't know. It certainly would account for the lack of variance of the figure. (subscribers go down in summer months generally with mmorpgs-(incidentally this means it will go up these winters months and more with the expansion))
I wish I could find the guy who swore, literally swore, that WoW subs would fall off dramatically within six months... this was about spring 2005 after the initial 'honeymoon' had apparently worn off.
I believe his moniker was Poe.
I'd like to shove 9.3 million subs down his throat and watch him choke.
It's not really all that hard to figure out. Go look at the monthly sales totals from any number of sources and WoW continues to be in the top 10. Yeah, they are still selling that many new boxes each month in the US. And if you just bought a box, I'm assuming you are going to actually use it. IE, new box means new active subscription. They may not be getting as many new as leave each month, but they are getting a bunch new, even in the US, that much is certain.
yeah theres no doubt there are new subscribers. Just there will come a point where theres limited amounts of new players who will buy it. But it does seem WoW is at #11 in the Amazon bestsellers chart.
Um, who cares? How does this matter at all?
Um, I do. And if you had ever played an asian MMO you would know that it does matter.
I tell you what, Blizzard's account could and do care. 1 BILLION a year is one hell of a lot of revenue for a gaming company. I bet that the people who founded Blizzard are kicking themselves in the arse right now for selling out to Vivendi. Those founders could be mega rich today.
I just love doing funny math on MMORPG.com!
haha ok, here it goes.
Let's pretend... since you can pick up WoW for 19.99 now, but it was 49.99 before... let's say... we'll put our average box price over time at 29.99 (more people probably bought after the initial craze then during it.) So that number, multiplied by 9.3 million = 278,907,000 $
Then let's go with half the 9.3 million who upgraded to BC for.. how much was it? ummm.. 39.99?
So 4.65 million x 39.99 = 185,953,500 $
WoW has been out... 4 years? 4 x 12 months = 48 months... everyone got 1 month free.. so 47 months... multiplied by let's say average of 13.99 a month = 657.53$ so then multiply that by 9.3 million = 6,115,029,000 $
Add them all up...
6,579,889,500 total revenue. 6.58 billion.
And that doesn't include advertising they've done, sale of other merchandise like toys, the card game, etc. character transfers and all other revenue WoW has made them...
Point is Shannia, WoW has made them more the 1 billion a year in revenue. I'd say with everything total at least 7 billion over the pats 4 years. So 1.75 billion a year.
haha I love funny math. Rough estimates and guesswork for the win!
oh, and the millions and millons of copies of Warcraft 1-3 and Diablo series and Starcraft... Blizzard is probably one of the most profitable (if not THE most profitable) game studios in the world.
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Yes, I know my math is ridiculously bad but this post just wasted 10 minutes so it was worth it!
Please be sure to tell me what MMO you choose so I can come and troll it's forums and say how much it sucks.
I most definitely will, if i ever find one.
But im not sure i was trolling, its not like i said "WOW SUXXORS!!!!!!!!". I simply stated why i dont think it is all that great. And yes, i should not come onto the WoW forum and state how i dont like WoW and why, but then again i should not have to read how great WoW is on every other forum either.
And by the way, this thread was started in the General Forum, not the WoW forum (it was moved). So i didnt come onto WoWs forum to bust on it.
Although I'm glad you didn't come here just blabbing how stupid WoW is and used constructive critisism, my post was more directed at the people who do. My comment was just based off of what you stated in that one post, not what you had posted before.
I'm sorry I may have been just venting, that was more of a way to get something off of my chest. I always welcome constructive critisism to anything, including WoW, unfortunatly you're one of the few people who use it.
Actually WoW was at #4 AND #13 for October. How can it be both? Because WoW was #4 and the Battle Chest edition which includes both WoW and the expansion was #13. The expansion is #5, but purchasing it doesn't necessarily mean a new subscription. But then there were probably more than a few of those purchasing the expansion that were coming back to the game. Add it all up and WoW still outsells practically everything, 3 years after initial launch. That's simply mind boggling. Those people claiming that WoW has 500K active subscribers are in denial. Big Time!
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