I gaurantee WoW has more then 500k active players logged in at any given time. Well, I should say "at peak hours." Let's do some funny math.. 9.3 million players, so 500k is less then 5% of their population.
Who for the love of god are you to guarantee things. People that made something and can lose something can guarantee things. But not just random guy from a forum. You lost my attention seconds after your speculation that you even try to guarantee...
I'm Heerobya. My word is fact, obviously. If you read the rest of the post, you'd see that I am a genius.
I guarantee it to be true.
Lighten up please.
But, to please you, I'll edit the post to say "I can probably reasonably assume to a appropriate level of confidence that"
You know there is one left wing populistic pig that tries to be a politican, but never managed to get to a government. When he's on the TV he always guarantee things, he guarantee lower food prices, higher wages, lower gas prices, that we win football championship, and we all reach transendence. It makes me crazy to see someone like him guarantee things, he never ever accomplished anything in his life apart from retarded kid he managed to have with his wife.
I'm always overreacting when I see someone stating, especially on forums "I GUARANTEE THIS IS TRUE" ..
At least haters in any respect are still talking about what they are hating on. I think there would be a bigger problem if no one was speaking about them.
Blizzard would be pissed if no one was talking about their game.
SOE would be even more pissed if no one was speaking about Vanguard cuz then no one would be playing it.
Originally posted by Pappy13 Originally posted by Thillian Lad you are not reading me properly.
Im talking about a system where the most rewarding one (fastest and give best reward) is the one most challenging. In WoW the fastest way to do anything from leveling to farming better loot is very easy. The challenging activities are not rewarding at all. You know how slow is leveling by doing all the instances in 3-4 people that are a bit higher level so they are challenging? Maybe like 20% of the speed of a hunter soloing all the possible solo quests. That are VERY easy. Why not give players easy way to get to level cap and hard way. Hard way would be faster, but also would require concentration by the player, good knowledge of the mobs he's killing so he can use their weaknesses, and easy way for everyone else that are just learning the system or just doesn't want to get frustrated. I respect people if they don't want to get frustrated by playing the game because of its difficulty. But I don't understand why the easiest way of doing anything in WoW is also the most rewarding one.
It's not possible the way that WoW is designed. WoW is not ONLY a skill based game. At least 1/2 the equation is your characters level, his equipment, how he's specced, so on and so forth, that has nothing to do with how skilled a player you are. What you are wanting is a system that is totally based on skill. The higher skilled player you are, the faster you will gain XP. If WoW was designed that way, many people would not enjoy it. You would, or at least you assume you would because you fancy yourself a skilled player, but anyone who wasn't that skilled would give up on the game because it would simply be too hard for them. And actually the easiest way of doing things in WoW is NOT the most rewarding. The EASIEST thing to do is to simply sit in one spot and kill the same mobs over and over and over. That is NOT the fastest way to gain XP. Questing is the fastest way to gain XP. Sure, it's fairly easy too, but not easier than just mind numbingly killing mobs over and over and over. So how do you make it enjoyable for the player who wants a challenge? That's where raid content comes in. Not that raiding is really hard mind you, but it does take a bit more skill than just simply killing mobs one by one and gathering their skins or whatnot. It takes a group effort first off all so that right there makes it a bit tougher to accomplish since you have to rely on others help. Secondly it takes some perserverance because the first attempt is probably gonna go pretty badly until everyone figures out what they need to do and can do it correctly. No, you won't get more XP for this extra effort, but there's still an incentive. The incentive is better loot than can be gained by Questing alone. So you see there's a balance. A balance between skill and progression and loot. You want progression? Quest. You want loot? Raid. Questing is easy, but you level up faster. Raiding is a bit tougher, but you get better loot. Balance is important. Most games don't get the balance right and that really ruins the game. Have you ever played a game that was really fun but was just too freaking hard? Some people push thru and finish anyway. To them it's a challenge. Many others simply give up and try to find something fun to play instead.
Ya, I have had a few games that were so hard I put them down for months upon months. Don't know why but when I go back to them they aren't that hard or the one part that made me so pissed that I wanted to smash it wasn't so difficult when I came back to it.
Hardest game to date for me though that I pressed on through because it was so fun was Ninja Gaiden for the xbox. That game was freaking hard, but fun. Infact that's why I bought an xbox; for that game. Halo wasn't a huge deal until way after that, especially not for pc users.
Lately I've been thinking of resubscribing, stopped playing a couple of months and my memory has become hazy as to why I quit in the first place.
Let me tell you a funny thing that happened today:
I phoned billing and support because I had forgotten my account name. Got through in less than a minute and it was a free phone call. Went through the security questions and explained I wanted to resubscribe and was given my account name. Easily done. When I put the phone down I got a sense of embarrassment, because I'm an average older gamer and trying to explain to a complete stranger that I wanted to continue made me feel totally ridiculous. The person I spoke to was completely calm and professional about it, but I just got the sense that they were thinking "You know I think you are a total loser but I don't care, just give me your money".
I think World of Warcraft was cool, but now it's kind of like watching your dad dance. I mean think about something that used to be awesome and isn't any more, hard to give an example because someone is bound to say that's retro. How about 80's music.. WoW is just naff and in 10 years time it will be like that embarrassing photo that you don't want anyone to see. "OMG you didn't wear those, did you?" will sound just like "OMG you didn't play WoW for 3[etc] years, did you?"
On an unrelated topic most mmo's use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement specifically variable-ratio (i.e. random rewards, with wow that will be purplez), scary.
I gaurantee WoW has more then 500k active players logged in at any given time. Well, I should say "at peak hours." Let's do some funny math.. 9.3 million players, so 500k is less then 5% of their population.
Who for the love of god are you to guarantee things. People that made something and can lose something can guarantee things. But not just random guy from a forum. You lost my attention seconds after your speculation that you even try to guarantee...
I'm Heerobya. My word is fact, obviously. If you read the rest of the post, you'd see that I am a genius.
I guarantee it to be true.
Lighten up please.
But, to please you, I'll edit the post to say "I can probably reasonably assume to a appropriate level of confidence that"
You know there is one left wing populistic pig that tries to be a politican, but never managed to get to a government. When he's on the TV he always guarantee things, he guarantee lower food prices, higher wages, lower gas prices, that we win football championship, and we all reach transendence. It makes me crazy to see someone like him guarantee things, he never ever accomplished anything in his life apart from retarded kid he managed to have with his wife.
I'm always overreacting when I see someone stating, especially on forums "I GUARANTEE THIS IS TRUE" ..
I love the way you say "lad "Thillian like your "the man", sorry but nothing could be further than the truth as from what i have read you are just a peasant. Vanguard is a piece of junk and WOW is a polished product and i guarantee it.
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Who for the love of god are you to guarantee things. People that made something and can lose something can guarantee things. But not just random guy from a forum. You lost my attention seconds after your speculation that you even try to guarantee...
I'm Heerobya. My word is fact, obviously. If you read the rest of the post, you'd see that I am a genius.
I guarantee it to be true.
Lighten up please.
But, to please you, I'll edit the post to say "I can probably reasonably assume to a appropriate level of confidence that"
You know there is one left wing populistic pig that tries to be a politican, but never managed to get to a government. When he's on the TV he always guarantee things, he guarantee lower food prices, higher wages, lower gas prices, that we win football championship, and we all reach transendence. It makes me crazy to see someone like him guarantee things, he never ever accomplished anything in his life apart from retarded kid he managed to have with his wife.
I'm always overreacting when I see someone stating, especially on forums "I GUARANTEE THIS IS TRUE" ..
REALITY CHECK
At least haters in any respect are still talking about what they are hating on. I think there would be a bigger problem if no one was speaking about them.
Blizzard would be pissed if no one was talking about their game.
SOE would be even more pissed if no one was speaking about Vanguard cuz then no one would be playing it.
And actually the easiest way of doing things in WoW is NOT the most rewarding. The EASIEST thing to do is to simply sit in one spot and kill the same mobs over and over and over. That is NOT the fastest way to gain XP. Questing is the fastest way to gain XP. Sure, it's fairly easy too, but not easier than just mind numbingly killing mobs over and over and over.
So how do you make it enjoyable for the player who wants a challenge? That's where raid content comes in. Not that raiding is really hard mind you, but it does take a bit more skill than just simply killing mobs one by one and gathering their skins or whatnot. It takes a group effort first off all so that right there makes it a bit tougher to accomplish since you have to rely on others help. Secondly it takes some perserverance because the first attempt is probably gonna go pretty badly until everyone figures out what they need to do and can do it correctly. No, you won't get more XP for this extra effort, but there's still an incentive. The incentive is better loot than can be gained by Questing alone.
So you see there's a balance. A balance between skill and progression and loot. You want progression? Quest. You want loot? Raid. Questing is easy, but you level up faster. Raiding is a bit tougher, but you get better loot. Balance is important. Most games don't get the balance right and that really ruins the game. Have you ever played a game that was really fun but was just too freaking hard? Some people push thru and finish anyway. To them it's a challenge. Many others simply give up and try to find something fun to play instead.
Ya, I have had a few games that were so hard I put them down for months upon months. Don't know why but when I go back to them they aren't that hard or the one part that made me so pissed that I wanted to smash it wasn't so difficult when I came back to it.
Hardest game to date for me though that I pressed on through because it was so fun was Ninja Gaiden for the xbox. That game was freaking hard, but fun. Infact that's why I bought an xbox; for that game. Halo wasn't a huge deal until way after that, especially not for pc users.
WE MAKE WOW!!
if it wasnt for ppl who pay to play wow, wow wouldnt be here
Lately I've been thinking of resubscribing, stopped playing a couple of months and my memory has become hazy as to why I quit in the first place.
Let me tell you a funny thing that happened today:
I phoned billing and support because I had forgotten my account name. Got through in less than a minute and it was a free phone call. Went through the security questions and explained I wanted to resubscribe and was given my account name. Easily done. When I put the phone down I got a sense of embarrassment, because I'm an average older gamer and trying to explain to a complete stranger that I wanted to continue made me feel totally ridiculous. The person I spoke to was completely calm and professional about it, but I just got the sense that they were thinking "You know I think you are a total loser but I don't care, just give me your money".
I think World of Warcraft was cool, but now it's kind of like watching your dad dance. I mean think about something that used to be awesome and isn't any more, hard to give an example because someone is bound to say that's retro. How about 80's music.. WoW is just naff and in 10 years time it will be like that embarrassing photo that you don't want anyone to see. "OMG you didn't wear those, did you?" will sound just like "OMG you didn't play WoW for 3[etc] years, did you?"
On an unrelated topic most mmo's use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement specifically variable-ratio (i.e. random rewards, with wow that will be purplez), scary.
No annoying animated GIF here!
Who for the love of god are you to guarantee things. People that made something and can lose something can guarantee things. But not just random guy from a forum. You lost my attention seconds after your speculation that you even try to guarantee...
I'm Heerobya. My word is fact, obviously. If you read the rest of the post, you'd see that I am a genius.
I guarantee it to be true.
Lighten up please.
But, to please you, I'll edit the post to say "I can probably reasonably assume to a appropriate level of confidence that"
You know there is one left wing populistic pig that tries to be a politican, but never managed to get to a government. When he's on the TV he always guarantee things, he guarantee lower food prices, higher wages, lower gas prices, that we win football championship, and we all reach transendence. It makes me crazy to see someone like him guarantee things, he never ever accomplished anything in his life apart from retarded kid he managed to have with his wife.
I'm always overreacting when I see someone stating, especially on forums "I GUARANTEE THIS IS TRUE" ..
I love the way you say "lad "Thillian like your "the man", sorry but nothing could be further than the truth as from what i have read you are just a peasant. Vanguard is a piece of junk and WOW is a polished product and i guarantee it.