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I'd bet real money this guy works at SOE lol.
To the OP, you say people "curse the game because there's no I WIN BUTTON anymore." Wow that is such a denial of reality it's hard to put into words. In case you missed the last 2 years worth of posts here or on the SOE boards. People curse the game (the short list) because they were sold an expansion that then had the new features in it deleted or broken by the NGE. People lost all their mastered professions due to the NGE. People lost access to all their pets due to the NGE. People lost a lot of their abilities and animations due to the NGE. People lost the use of a lot of their items due to the NGE. People lost 2 years of quest progress due to the NGE. People were lied to before the NGE, and lied about after the NGE, and now you say that SWG is the #1 sandbox game, when SOE did everything in their power with the NGE to change it from a sandbox into a linear quest based MMO patterned after WoW.
Also EVE, a truly sandbox game by design was ranked #1 this past year. Did you miss that also, or do you just say whatever you want to other people, regardless of the facts?
If you do work for SOE, are you guys still trying to attract people to your game by outright lying to them? Man can't you see that this hasn't worked for the last number of years? Even if you're just a player, why the heck are you trying to attract people to your game by saying things that are so obviously misleading? Do you think what you're saying is even nearly believable? If anything you'll keep people away from SWG with this nonsense. Jeez maybe you're actually a genius and your intention is to drive everyone away lol, never thought of that 'till just now.
Let's not forget that they removed turn based combat and replaced it with some half baked FPS system that many people simply weren't willing to play for one reason or another. Since then, they've reintroduced target lock, etc but it's not the default, you have to remap keys to make it work and then you suffer penalties for using it. Hardly the combat system we, or I should say I, loved about the old game.
The penalties you suffer from using autotarget are so small that they dont equal the penalties anyone who doesnt use it suffers. If you aim manually, you miss so many times that some 25-50% bonus to critical hit just wont equal it.
Everybody uses autotarget except for some Commandos and Jedi. There is no discussion about that and you wont even hear in game about manual aim.
Pre-CU: Beach
CU: Sandbox
NGE: Catbox
This game ceased to be a "sandbox" when the NGE was implemented. It's now just another linear progression MMO. Big whoop. The market is flooded with those and, oddly, a lot of them are a lot less buggy and more polished than SWG has ever been or will ever be. Adding new instances you say? What the hell good are they if people have problems getting their entire group inside. Go play WoW or CoX and tell me how many times you have a problem getting a single member of your group into an instance Pre-NGE also. Tell me how many times you rubber band because of lag issues caused by faulty code that the current developers do not know how to fix . Tell me how many times you are killed by NPCs who are firing through walls Pre- NGE also aswell. Tell me how many times the developers have to completely change the entire combat system of the game because they think it sucks 2 - isnt that obvious?. SWG as it exists today is nothing but an abomination and should never be compared to the true sandbox it was in its glory days.
P.S. Those odd bugs I mentioned have existed in SWG for years. Yes, YEARS. SOE cannot fix them because they're embedded in the old code that these new developers know almost nothing about. So much for your amazing game.
Ummm, this post is quite clearly a contradiction of itself. "the true sanbox it was in its glory days" vs. "those odd bugs i mentioned have existed in SWG for years"
As for the bugs, yes, I stand by that. Even in the glory days (pre-CU) this game was full of bugs. I overlooked many of them because the developers promised they were working on them and that they'd be fixed, "soon". It never happened and the bugs just got worse once they started tinkering with the combat system. They became unbearable once the NGE was introduced. I'm sorry if you didn't grasp this from my previous post. Perhaps I should have explained my position a little more clearly.
It isn't a penalty to those who use lock on. It is a perk of using the unassisted "Twitch" system. Learn what your saying before you sound like a jackass.
Ok. Let's split hairs. You say we get a perk for using the unassisted twitch system. How is that any different from what I said? If you only gain an advantage or perk by using twitch then those not using it are, in fact, penalized. Do they gain the same perk for choosing not to use twitch? No. You would be correct if there was no perk at all but that's just not the case.
Ok. Let's split hairs. You say we get a perk for using the unassisted twitch system. How is that any different from what I said? If you only gain an advantage or perk by using twitch then those not using it are, in fact, penalized. Do they gain the same perk for choosing not to use twitch? No. You would be correct if there was no perk at all but that's just not the case.
It is completely different. In no way are you penalized for using the original system of the games lock on ability. If you want to attempt to use twitch (Which is truly more difficult due to not being able to keep targeted on the person if they are behind something or move in an irrational manner). They have simply tried to balance it for those using twitch and those using lock on. If you can say that twitch targeting will hit the same moving target as many times as lock on with exact accuracy I say it is a bonus and therefor is unfair, but people using twitch even with the bonus are still at a disadvantage in my opinion (though I am no pro fps person).You use your combat values gained through equipment and buffs when using lock on. I believe you get a crit modifier if you use twitch for REGULAR shots, not specials (Mainly because you'd be able to keybind between the 2 and really abuse a system trying to regulate it). Specials don't go off without a target unless AoE obviously.
No, you are not splitting hairs you are trying to say a balancing mechanic is so broken or trying to skew it your way that makes absolutely no sense in any sense of your crazed idea.
We'll just have to agree to disagree then because clearly we have different ideas about what constitutes a penalty. As far as I am concerned, the fact that there are two completely different combat styles in a single MMO is a problem in and of itself but that's a subject for another time.
If someone enjoys a game for what it is, why can't people just be happy for him? It's really rather sad that there are people out there that derive their personal happiness from tearing into someone else's and trying to spoil it. Opinions are opinions they are personal and you aren't going to change them by bashing people and making fun of them and things like that. I did enjoy some of the earlier posts in this thread that actually said something akin to, 'I disagree, I think [this game] is so much better and for these reasons...' that could actually give someone something to think about and possibly bring more enjoyment into their lives and that is a good thing. Try to be nice, it's a unique idea I know, but everyone wins if you're nice.
You want to know why so many people are hostile toward SOE? I'll tell you, SWG was the first and only SW MMO on the market. Many, many people who played SWG in the early days have been life long Star Wars fans who had dreamed of the day when they could play something like SWG offered. It was a fun, immersive game that allowed them to be their own hero and pursue their own interests in the Star Wars universe. We were willing to overlook bugs and nerfs because we knew it was the only SW game out there and we didn't want it to go away. Then along comes Mr. Cao and the other "we know what you find fun better than you do" crowd and ripped our universe away from us. In it's wake they left us with a poor copy of a game that none of us really had any interest in playing, until they drove us to it. Can I be happy for those who play and enjoy the game now? Certainly. I am glad you find enjoyment where I could not. Do I hold a grudge against SOE for taking our game away from us? Yep.
For me there was something a bit more personal about the changes brought about by the NGE though. About 2 months into the game I met someone who became very special to me. We talked all the time, did everything together from running to the Tusken Fort in the early days to leveling our pre-9 Jedi. I even loved to watch her burn other players with her flamethrower while I tossed heals on her. About 6 months before the CU she was killed in a car crash. Many people, myself included, were devastated by this and a statue in her honor was erected in the most populated and well traveled city on the server. It was thought that she'd always have a place in SWG even if she couldn't be there. Shortly after the NGE hit, the players started leaving en masse and it wasnt long before that populated city became a ghost town. People tried to get new blood into the city but, for some odd reason, this new NGE crowd just wouldn't join. Instead, a large group opted to build their own city a short distance away. It didn't help that the mayor quit, the election system was borked to high heaven and the only help we received from SOE customer service was, "It's a known issue and we're working on it.". Everyone saw the writing on the wall and some of this NGE crowd actually took pleasure in seeing the downfall of this big city that had stood since the day player cities were introduced in the game. Eventually it died and with it went a memorial that meant a lot to people like me because this game meant a lot to her. I blame SOE for that as much as I blame them for treating me like crap in their efforts to pursue the mythical customers who have never materialized in the game since the NGE was released.
Oddly, I had gotten over most of my anger and resentment until I found this website a few days ago in a random internet search. In hindsight, I should have never bothered to look here because it's brought back a lot of memories that, at this point, I'd just rather not have to think about anymore.
You want to know why so many people are hostile toward SOE? I'll tell you, SWG was the first and only SW MMO on the market. Many, many people who played SWG in the early days have been life long Star Wars fans who had dreamed of the day when they could play something like SWG offered. It was a fun, immersive game that allowed them to be their own hero and pursue their own interests in the Star Wars universe. We were willing to overlook bugs and nerfs because we knew it was the only SW game out there and we didn't want it to go away. Then along comes Mr. Cao and the other "we know what you find fun better than you do" crowd and ripped our universe away from us. In it's wake they left us with a poor copy of a game that none of us really had any interest in playing, until they drove us to it. Can I be happy for those who play and enjoy the game now? Certainly. I am glad you find enjoyment where I could not. Do I hold a grudge against SOE for taking our game away from us? Yep.
For me there was something a bit more personal about the changes brought about by the NGE though. About 2 months into the game I met someone who became very special to me. We talked all the time, did everything together from running to the Tusken Fort in the early days to leveling our pre-9 Jedi. I even loved to watch her burn other players with her flamethrower while I tossed heals on her. About 6 months before the CU she was killed in a car crash. Many people, myself included, were devastated by this and a statue in her honor was erected in the most populated and well traveled city on the server. It was thought that she'd always have a place in SWG even if she couldn't be there. Shortly after the NGE hit, the players started leaving en masse and it wasnt long before that populated city became a ghost town. People tried to get new blood into the city but, for some odd reason, this new NGE crowd just wouldn't join. Instead, a large group opted to build their own city a short distance away. It didn't help that the mayor quit, the election system was borked to high heaven and the only help we received from SOE customer service was, "It's a known issue and we're working on it.". Everyone saw the writing on the wall and some of this NGE crowd actually took pleasure in seeing the downfall of this big city that had stood since the day player cities were introduced in the game. Eventually it died and with it went a memorial that meant a lot to people like me because this game meant a lot to her. I blame SOE for that as much as I blame them for treating me like crap in their efforts to pursue the mythical customers who have never materialized in the game since the NGE was released.
Oddly, I had gotten over most of my anger and resentment until I found this website a few days ago in a random internet search. In hindsight, I should have never bothered to look here because it's brought back a lot of memories that, at this point, I'd just rather not have to think about anymore.
I'm right with you Jax re. the feelings of a long-time starwars fan. The game was an opportunity for a lot of us to live out a childhood dream in a way. I first saw StarWars when I was 9. It was like magic. One of my favourite childhood memories was going to see the Empire Strikes Back with my mom at the Drive In. When we got a chance to live that out in SWG, it brought back a lot of those childhood feelings, and it was good.I also met some of the best people I've ever known in that game tbh. One that I still keep in touch with I consider one of my best friends. We were like two little kids adventuring in the StarWars universe together. You know, regardless of corporate politics or other gamers who just don't get it, I have a lot of memories that I truly treasure. I'm not happy about the politics or others' insensitivity, that's true, but when I think of playing my horn in the cantina, fireworks on the beach on Naboo, and mercilessly slaughtering tusken raiders with my friends ^_^, I get a warm feeling. I hold onto those memories and feel thankful for the time shared. And really that's something that corporate politics can't touch.
You want to know why so many people are hostile toward SOE? I'll tell you, SWG was the first and only SW MMO on the market. Many, many people who played SWG in the early days have been life long Star Wars fans who had dreamed of the day when they could play something like SWG offered. It was a fun, immersive game that allowed them to be their own hero and pursue their own interests in the Star Wars universe. We were willing to overlook bugs and nerfs because we knew it was the only SW game out there and we didn't want it to go away. Then along comes Mr. Cao and the other "we know what you find fun better than you do" crowd and ripped our universe away from us. In it's wake they left us with a poor copy of a game that none of us really had any interest in playing, until they drove us to it. Can I be happy for those who play and enjoy the game now? Certainly. I am glad you find enjoyment where I could not. Do I hold a grudge against SOE for taking our game away from us? Yep.
For me there was something a bit more personal about the changes brought about by the NGE though. About 2 months into the game I met someone who became very special to me. We talked all the time, did everything together from running to the Tusken Fort in the early days to leveling our pre-9 Jedi. I even loved to watch her burn other players with her flamethrower while I tossed heals on her. About 6 months before the CU she was killed in a car crash. Many people, myself included, were devastated by this and a statue in her honor was erected in the most populated and well traveled city on the server. It was thought that she'd always have a place in SWG even if she couldn't be there. Shortly after the NGE hit, the players started leaving en masse and it wasnt long before that populated city became a ghost town. People tried to get new blood into the city but, for some odd reason, this new NGE crowd just wouldn't join. Instead, a large group opted to build their own city a short distance away. It didn't help that the mayor quit, the election system was borked to high heaven and the only help we received from SOE customer service was, "It's a known issue and we're working on it.". Everyone saw the writing on the wall and some of this NGE crowd actually took pleasure in seeing the downfall of this big city that had stood since the day player cities were introduced in the game. Eventually it died and with it went a memorial that meant a lot to people like me because this game meant a lot to her. I blame SOE for that as much as I blame them for treating me like crap in their efforts to pursue the mythical customers who have never materialized in the game since the NGE was released.
Oddly, I had gotten over most of my anger and resentment until I found this website a few days ago in a random internet search. In hindsight, I should have never bothered to look here because it's brought back a lot of memories that, at this point, I'd just rather not have to think about anymore.
I'm right with you Jax re. the feelings of a long-time starwars fan. The game was an opportunity for a lot of us to live out a childhood dream in a way. I first saw StarWars when I was 9. It was like magic. One of my favourite childhood memories was going to see the Empire Strikes Back with my mom at the Drive In. When we got a chance to live that out in SWG, it brought back a lot of those childhood feelings, and it was good.I also met some of the best people I've ever known in that game tbh. One that I still keep in touch with I consider one of my best friends. We were like two little kids adventuring in the StarWars universe together. You know, regardless of corporate politics or other gamers who just don't get it, I have a lot of memories that I truly treasure. I'm not happy about the politics or others' insensitivity, that's true, but when I think of playing my horn in the cantina, fireworks on the beach on Naboo, and mercilessly slaughtering tusken raiders with my friends ^_^, I get a warm feeling. I hold onto those memories and feel thankful for the time shared. And really that's something that corporate politics can't touch.
Well said, agree 100%. SWG was my dream MMO.
By the way to the OP, World of Star Wars or WoSW is nowhere NEAR a Sandbox game, you need to look up the definition of "Sandbox" as you seem to be somewhat confused as to what it actually means.
I miss SWG.
Actually, I'd say SL is the #1 sandbox. SWG is like a sandbox without any other kids to play with.
The #1 SandBox MMO is still the one and Only Galaxies
Not the current Galaxies.
It's as sandboxy as LOTRO
If ya want sandbox, wait for the "birdie that the name will get you a ban" to be completed....
Incidently its kinda funny, since on the "birdie" servers, I see 10X as many players in one 5 minute session than I did during 3 full 14 and 21 day trials....
Seems I'm not the only one that thinks that "sandboxy as LOTRO" isn't enough.
Hoho... wait for it......mmm.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA!
Wow *wipes tear from eye* If you really think its a sandbox now.. you are truely mistaken.. its a leveler now... like wow... hahaha .. thanks for the good laugh though!
Btw.. ti will never be the best at anything anymore... except at maybe being the best example of how to lose 100k customers fast.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
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I hate bursting bubbles but the truth is that the NGE medic class was a big I win button that was heavily exploited till it was nerfed, the uber-class shifted from class to class as they continued nerfing and rebalancing them. There are still several imbalances. Just imagine that if they had spent that whole time balancing the ham and bug fixing the pre-cu game, that was instead spent on making what essentially became a whole new ( half-baked) game with the same skin, we truly would have a sandbox like, balanced incredible game with many hundreds of thousands of players, not just many tens of players.
No game will ever be truly sandbox untill they pass out the code to every player and allow you to make changes to the game as you see fit. So stop with the, this and that aint really sandbox blah blah chat. In SWG especially precu, I could buy the game, start and account, log in, and go to any part of any planet i cared to venture to. Would you die trying? Most likely but it was a risk you could take. player homes and citys in game that had an actual location, not an instance. People refer to eve and sure its open and sandbox, but so was precu swg, I constantly just logged in to have fun finding bases, exploring cities fighting imps or rebs without regard to if I was gaining levels. You just don't get more sandbox that that.
With community being so important to any mmo, if all my pals were still playing and the servers were populated I could probably learn to enjoy NGE, but that just isn't the case.
You should check some of the live servers like Bria or Chimaera to get a real feel what does SWG look like now. Its not preCU, but there are dozens of players online in Mos Eisley, PvPers at Restuss, PvE groups forming all the time and many guilds that mind their own business.
You should check some of the live servers like Bria or Chimaera to get a real feel what does SWG look like now. Its not preCU, but there are dozens of players online in Mos Eisley, PvPers at Restuss, PvE groups forming all the time and many guilds that mind their own business.
Mos Eisley on Chimaera is full of people, specially outside the Spaceport and in the Cantina..
Naboo Theed, has almost no people except outside the Huge spaceport were anakin where supposed to stay put. But well, its got some huge planets, so that may be the cause of "I cant see anyone
Oh, and SWG is the only game that i feel addictive as ... omg i can play it without getting bored, even though i practically kill the same enemys in each quests just different shapes.
Lotro aint Sandboxy? woot, im playing it, still aint got no dirt on me feet.
good. it should be unbalanced. that way, when you make some half brained template you get pwn3d. and i never had a character that was cm, or tk. i played ranged, as mrifles/mbh, or mpistols/bhpistols/novocmmando/smugpistols, and even without some uberl33t mind poisonxor you can still do good damage. that was a sandbox. having a nonlinear skill system was a sandbox. having level's, and no control over your skill, just what comes with a level... is definately not a sandbox. its the most linear idea of a game ever. and it sucks. and it sucked for people who like pre cu, or even pre nge.
I never played SWG so i dont know, but, perhaps the Devs put in Levels not because they were idiots but because at the time of SWGs highest popularity there were 5 games that had more subsciptions (the lowest of those 5 at twice the amount of SWG), and all 5 of those games were level based.
It seems that skill based players are more vocal, but level based games are more popular. That could be why there are far less skill based games then level based games.
Why can there not be a mix of the two? EQ was a level based game but you had to build your skills. You didnt go buy the 2HS skill and you could instantly use the sword, you picked up a 2HS, tried to hit something with it until you actually could. I thought that was the best system.
SWG was once the best and the only sandbox MMO afew years ago,sadly it;s lost both it's positions... of being the only sandbox MMO on the market and being the best sandbox.Curently the best sandbox mmo is EvE online.SWG would of being the best if SOE had focused on fixing bugs and adding new content but they focused on making a WoW clone and we dont want to beat the dead horse again to find out what happened now do we ?
to the OP: SWG is no longer a sandbox mmo. It's class and level based