Originally posted by Vrazule The guy asked for opinion on both games and I gave it. Why don't you give your opinions without attacking someone else's in the process, it would be much more productive.
you can practice what you preach too
what you posted about soloing was in reponse to my post about EQ2 quest soloing
Originally posted by Vrazule The guy asked for opinion on both games and I gave it. Why don't you give your opinions without attacking someone else's in the process, it would be much more productive.
you can practice what you preach too
what you posted about soloing was in reponse to my post about EQ2 quest soloing
I like both WoW and EQ2 with a preference for EQ2
Ummm, all I did was give my opposing view on EQ2 soloing and gave reasons why, I never once called your opinions a load of crap which is essentially calling someone a liar. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Originally posted by Vrazule The guy asked for opinion on both games and I gave it. Why don't you give your opinions without attacking someone else's in the process, it would be much more productive.
you can practice what you preach too
what you posted about soloing was in reponse to my post about EQ2 quest soloing
I like both WoW and EQ2 with a preference for EQ2
Ummm, all I did was give my opposing view on EQ2 soloing and gave reasons why, I never once called your opinions a load of crap which is essentially calling someone a liar. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Well I'll respond even if Nadia won't!
Nadia probably started her initial response a little confrontational, but as a fellow EQ2 vet who has spent time in WoW too, I know what she was referring to with her "load of crap" comment. There has been some massive changes to the solo play in EQ2 recently. It is now quite easy for most classes to solo all through the game. Especially in the new expansion.
Much like Nadia I to enjoyed my time in WoW, but I had to choose between the 2 games, and I chose EQ2 because I find it a more satisfying experience. Each to they're own I guess.
Currently returned to Norrath after disliking Hyboria.
Exactly, to each their own. She's more hardcore and I'm more casaul, hence my preference for WoW and games like it. I have no problem with her disagreeing with me, but I draw the line when my opinions are treated as lies or somehow second class to hers. Everyone's opinions have merit, to say otherwise gives no credit to your own and makes you look arrogant in the process. Of course hardcores would find the EQ2 solo content fine, but in comparison to WoW or LOTRO, EQ2 just does not even come close to the rewarding experience that both offer the soloer.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Actually Nadia is far from hardcore from what I can tell from her posts here. She's as much a casual palyer as you are. She's played for 2 years and has never reached the endgame. I don't consider myself to be hardcore either, but I have reached the endgame, I raid occasionally, and I play most nights. There are varying degrees of players. To me a hardcore player is someone who raids every day. To a player who played less than me I probably look quite hardcore!
As for your comments about WoW being a more rewarding experience than EQ2, well, that's just your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to of course. And my opinion is quite the opposite. I was bored with WoW within a month.
I guess it's down to you personally. I know plenty of players who found WoW and EQ2 to be both unsatisfying and rewarding, and found what they were after in other games such as LOTRO or VG. As I said, each to they're own. If we all liked the same things the world would be a very boring place.
Currently returned to Norrath after disliking Hyboria.
wow im sorry i started all of this haha... i just wanted opinions which is what i got and more! haha, but i agree it is all preference. And for the casual play/hardcore play, I prefer EQ and im a casual player... its just all preference really... the main reason I like EQ is because of the Monk class.
There really is no contest here...each game is unique in it's own way. Visuals, play styles, Guilds, parties, etc..
WoW visually is neat because of the stylized look, EQ2 is cool due to more realistic animations
WoW is faster to get into and easier to level...EQ2 is more about exploration and learning, and taking your time.
Now, lets take a game like LOTRO, a cookie cutter borefest, and there is no comparison..WoW and EQ2 beat it hands down...
So, just enjoy that you have one of these 2 great games to play, because otherwise you would be playing LOTRO...probably better to just not even think about that...
In a thread about WoW or EQII you still manage to bring up LOTRO
You're obsessed with hating which would explain the half assed Cheers! you forcefully type at the end of every post - it's pathetic ... we know.. you really really don't like LOTRO ok? Feel better? I happen to think LOTRO and WoW are really boring but you don't see me posting about it on threads that are comparing 2 other games... I think people are realizing that you hate the game a little TOO much so pull it back a bit will ya
In a thread about WoW or EQII you still manage to bring up LOTRO
You're obsessed with hating which would explain the half assed Cheers! you forcefully type at the end of every post - it's pathetic ... we know.. you really really don't like LOTRO ok? Feel better? I happen to think LOTRO and WoW are really boring but you don't see me posting about it on threads that are comparing 2 other games... I think people are realizing that you hate the game a little TOO much so pull it back a bit will ya
And so far...your the only one following me to every thread to remark on it...how weird is THAT
This is the 2nd thread I've replied to you on(every thread huh? thats a stretch which is what you've been doing on every thread you reply to) ... and don't flatter yourself... when I have the overwhelming urge to correct someone when they lie has nothing to do with who the poster is.. you just seem to be the one person who acts as if they have had their first born eaten by LOTRO
It isn't my fault that you are already on every thread I read and are magically going off topic to lie about LOTRO... Are you being paid to do this? It really seems excessive at this point
It isn't my fault that you are already on every thread I read and are magically going off topic to lie about LOTRO... Are you being paid to do this? It really seems excessive at this point
See? Now, there you go..I have not stated a single lie...
I stated I think LOTRO is a borefest...so..I lied to myself? No, it really is boring.
The main quest lines ALWAYS end with a forced group instance...no lie there...
So, I am confused about what I have lied about...Solo to 50 maybe? I sure do not want to spend that much time killing the same things over and over...and the quests...well, they entail...killing the same thing over and over..
If you can show me quest lines from say...level 30 to 40, that does not entail killing something over and over, or fedexing and does NOT require a group..I will never say antyhing about LOTRO...again..period..
I know all games do this in the MMO genre...but, I want to be entertained while doing it, and LOTRO was not entertaining...sorry I am trying to save others from the same mistake..
Yeah, a very unrewarding, tedious grind to 80 if you solo. Most of it has to be done over land. The few instances they put in for soloing are stupid with little creativity and craptastic rewards, if they reward you anything but experience. EQ2 is already way too slow to level even when you group, let alone when you solo. This is what SOE does with all of their games, bunch of hardcore, nerdtastic developers, so it's not surprising.
Hmm I'd swear you were talking about wow not eq2.... What tipped me off though was the statement that a few instances were solo since we all know Wow has NO solo instances. Just one long overland quest grind... Run here kill x mobs run back. Oh go now and kill the slightly more advanced version of the same mob on the other side of the zone. Oh back again, we need 8 bones to make a potion, would you mind running back across the map one more time and kill some more of those critters for bones...
Seriously I had some boots one time in wow where the soles were worn through and I laughed myself silly. Then I started crying when I got the next step in my quest.
Not that eq2 doesn't have some running quests but generally things tend to not be overly far from the quest givers and in the case of many instances quest givers are very nearby if not in the instance. Also with the newer area's in EQ2 I gotta say eq2 has some of the most creative quests in any game.
The thing I liked most about wow was buying and selling in the auctionhouse :P I was making a fortune when it occured to me this was the only thing I really liked in the game. Thats when I decided to give EQ2 another go and I'm really happy I did. It is a very nice change from wow.
I've played both games and I'd say that when both games launched WoW was definitely the better game as far as fun gameplay.
But, EQ2 has gone through alot of changes. The quest progression in many areas is just fantastic. I love the Darklight Wood and the Timorous Deep questlines (I mostly play evil) Commonlands and Nektolous have been revamped - alot of solo named mobs there now. I still think that EQ2 needs to rework some of their mid-level content. IMHO the solo content isn't as engaging from about 30-50 and the quests don't flow as well as they do in other areas, but there is still plenty of content to get you through it. It picks up again around 50 and the RoK stuff is just awesome. And I've played every class in the game except Paladin and Illusionist.. they all solo effectively.
WoW was fun when I played it. It played like a slow hack-n-slash to me. Which made it really fun in the beginning, but repetative over time. In retrospect I probably would not have played it as long as I did except.. I loved my little Tauren. I thought the Horde races were interesting.. unfortuanatly that "interesting" did not extend to the quests and gameplay, so the game failed to keep my attention in the long run.
EQ2 is a good game now. Not a great one, but a good one. If it had launched three years ago with the quality it had now, I think the WoW<->EQ2 share of the MMORPG market would be much different.
But, it is to late for that now. EQ2 launched bad. And as the business folks are just starting to learn, a bad launch is the kiss-of-death for a MMROPG. EQ2 launched early, with no open beta, to beat WoW to the shelves. But WoW had been in open beta for months. And the quality difference showed. And the players voted with their subscriptions.
EQ2 is a different game from WoW, but it is not 'better' than WoW, nor will it ever be so.
Ummm, the thread IS about personal opinion, could you please elaborate on your point? People squaking about how great EQ2 is, are spewing personal opinion too. Nothing wrong with that. It allows people who are on the fence to determine if they agree with certain points or not in order to make their decision. Merely spouting off about facts on game mechanics does nothing to explain how fun they are, especially in the context of your preferred play style.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I've been part of EQ2 for years (almost since the day it opened) and have never reached the top. There's too much to do.
Originally posted by Moirae
I didn't even finish the month (WoW) and was lvl 26 in a week playing only a couple of hours every couple of days.
Why the huge discrepancy in leveling times? I'm curious what EQ2 has to offer that could occupy you for so many years and not hit the level cap, but in WoW you blasted through over 1/3 of the levels in one week?
one thing that many people in eq2 do is to turn off xp gain. This allows you to really do every quest and explore all areas without outleveling them. So it is kinda like playing several characters at once. Also there are a lot of collection/exploration type quests that can involve a lot of exploration. You can also easily play with lower level people by mentoring to go back and do something you missed. So while leveling in EQ2 and Wow are somewhat similar in overall speed in eq2 you have the option of not leveling so fast and eq2 has quite a bit more content then wow so you can spend time doing other types of quests or just trying to gain that special item or completing a collection.
ive played both games and in terms of game play id say i found everquest 2 better, crafting system was probs the best i have seen in an mmorpg. i used 2 love wow before tbc but now the game has just goten to easy imo, all seems like one big grind nothing more. only thing that stops me switching to EQ2 is that it just dnt seem to run smoothly. enemys seem to sorta teleport on ur head if ur running away from them. maby thats jst my comp, i dno
Ummm, the thread IS about personal opinion, could you please elaborate on your point? People squaking about how great EQ2 is, are spewing personal opinion too. Nothing wrong with that.
Ummm, yeah I know the thread is about personal opinions; however, Shoal's final comment was designed to make his opinion look like an unassailable fact when it's merely an opinion. I think that's an important point for all those people who are "on the fence" when it comes b/w EQ2 & WoW.
The ironic thing is that I agree with most of the comments that he made in his first two paragraphs about the early history of EQ2; however, his declaration that EQ2 will never be a great game and will never be better than WoW is purely an opinion & borderline fanboi-ish.
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what you posted about soloing was in reponse to my post about EQ2 quest soloing
I like both WoW and EQ2 with a preference for EQ2
EQ2 fan sites
what you posted about soloing was in reponse to my post about EQ2 quest soloing
I like both WoW and EQ2 with a preference for EQ2
Ummm, all I did was give my opposing view on EQ2 soloing and gave reasons why, I never once called your opinions a load of crap which is essentially calling someone a liar. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
nm - not gonna bicker further
EQ2 fan sites
what you posted about soloing was in reponse to my post about EQ2 quest soloing
I like both WoW and EQ2 with a preference for EQ2
Ummm, all I did was give my opposing view on EQ2 soloing and gave reasons why, I never once called your opinions a load of crap which is essentially calling someone a liar. Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Well I'll respond even if Nadia won't!Nadia probably started her initial response a little confrontational, but as a fellow EQ2 vet who has spent time in WoW too, I know what she was referring to with her "load of crap" comment. There has been some massive changes to the solo play in EQ2 recently. It is now quite easy for most classes to solo all through the game. Especially in the new expansion.
Much like Nadia I to enjoyed my time in WoW, but I had to choose between the 2 games, and I chose EQ2 because I find it a more satisfying experience. Each to they're own I guess.
Currently returned to Norrath after disliking Hyboria.
Exactly, to each their own. She's more hardcore and I'm more casaul, hence my preference for WoW and games like it. I have no problem with her disagreeing with me, but I draw the line when my opinions are treated as lies or somehow second class to hers. Everyone's opinions have merit, to say otherwise gives no credit to your own and makes you look arrogant in the process. Of course hardcores would find the EQ2 solo content fine, but in comparison to WoW or LOTRO, EQ2 just does not even come close to the rewarding experience that both offer the soloer.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Actually Nadia is far from hardcore from what I can tell from her posts here. She's as much a casual palyer as you are. She's played for 2 years and has never reached the endgame. I don't consider myself to be hardcore either, but I have reached the endgame, I raid occasionally, and I play most nights. There are varying degrees of players. To me a hardcore player is someone who raids every day. To a player who played less than me I probably look quite hardcore!
As for your comments about WoW being a more rewarding experience than EQ2, well, that's just your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to of course. And my opinion is quite the opposite. I was bored with WoW within a month.
I guess it's down to you personally. I know plenty of players who found WoW and EQ2 to be both unsatisfying and rewarding, and found what they were after in other games such as LOTRO or VG. As I said, each to they're own. If we all liked the same things the world would be a very boring place.
Currently returned to Norrath after disliking Hyboria.
a few clarifications-
I quoted one sentence from this post
I never called his comment crap - that was a different poster
I never said he lied -- I said his quoted statement was no longer true
EQ2 questing got an experience boost with patch LU40 (patch went live with Kunark Launch)
if you dont craft, and just adventure,
SoloQuesting EQ2 is twice as slow as WOW pre patch2.3
(with exception to lvl 70+ EQ2 questing in Kunark - which is just as fast as WOW BC)
I personally think thats quick, being able to level cap in less than 6 months,
- but I see his point, that for him, thats too slow
anyhow, this only ends in bickering, thats why I didnt want to comment further
EQ2 fan sites
wow im sorry i started all of this haha... i just wanted opinions which is what i got and more! haha, but i agree it is all preference. And for the casual play/hardcore play, I prefer EQ and im a casual player... its just all preference really... the main reason I like EQ is because of the Monk class.
There really is no contest here...each game is unique in it's own way. Visuals, play styles, Guilds, parties, etc..
WoW visually is neat because of the stylized look, EQ2 is cool due to more realistic animations
WoW is faster to get into and easier to level...EQ2 is more about exploration and learning, and taking your time.
Now, lets take a game like LOTRO, a cookie cutter borefest, and there is no comparison..WoW and EQ2 beat it hands down...
So, just enjoy that you have one of these 2 great games to play, because otherwise you would be playing LOTRO...probably better to just not even think about that...
Cheers
In a thread about WoW or EQII you still manage to bring up LOTRO
You're obsessed with hating which would explain the half assed Cheers! you forcefully type at the end of every post - it's pathetic ... we know.. you really really don't like LOTRO ok? Feel better? I happen to think LOTRO and WoW are really boring but you don't see me posting about it on threads that are comparing 2 other games... I think people are realizing that you hate the game a little TOO much so pull it back a bit will ya
And uh.....
Cheers?
This is the 2nd thread I've replied to you on(every thread huh? thats a stretch which is what you've been doing on every thread you reply to) ... and don't flatter yourself... when I have the overwhelming urge to correct someone when they lie has nothing to do with who the poster is.. you just seem to be the one person who acts as if they have had their first born eaten by LOTRO
It isn't my fault that you are already on every thread I read and are magically going off topic to lie about LOTRO... Are you being paid to do this? It really seems excessive at this point
Well the guy likes LOTRO. I guess someone has to!
Currently returned to Norrath after disliking Hyboria.
I stated I think LOTRO is a borefest...so..I lied to myself? No, it really is boring.
The main quest lines ALWAYS end with a forced group instance...no lie there...
So, I am confused about what I have lied about...Solo to 50 maybe? I sure do not want to spend that much time killing the same things over and over...and the quests...well, they entail...killing the same thing over and over..
If you can show me quest lines from say...level 30 to 40, that does not entail killing something over and over, or fedexing and does NOT require a group..I will never say antyhing about LOTRO...again..period..
I know all games do this in the MMO genre...but, I want to be entertained while doing it, and LOTRO was not entertaining...sorry I am trying to save others from the same mistake..
Cheers!
I beta'd LOTRO. I think it sucks too. Its the same level as WoW. Lowest common denominator gaming.
Hmm I'd swear you were talking about wow not eq2.... What tipped me off though was the statement that a few instances were solo since we all know Wow has NO solo instances. Just one long overland quest grind... Run here kill x mobs run back. Oh go now and kill the slightly more advanced version of the same mob on the other side of the zone. Oh back again, we need 8 bones to make a potion, would you mind running back across the map one more time and kill some more of those critters for bones...
Seriously I had some boots one time in wow where the soles were worn through and I laughed myself silly. Then I started crying when I got the next step in my quest.
Not that eq2 doesn't have some running quests but generally things tend to not be overly far from the quest givers and in the case of many instances quest givers are very nearby if not in the instance. Also with the newer area's in EQ2 I gotta say eq2 has some of the most creative quests in any game.
The thing I liked most about wow was buying and selling in the auctionhouse :P I was making a fortune when it occured to me this was the only thing I really liked in the game. Thats when I decided to give EQ2 another go and I'm really happy I did. It is a very nice change from wow.
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Ethion
I've played both games and I'd say that when both games launched WoW was definitely the better game as far as fun gameplay.
But, EQ2 has gone through alot of changes. The quest progression in many areas is just fantastic. I love the Darklight Wood and the Timorous Deep questlines (I mostly play evil) Commonlands and Nektolous have been revamped - alot of solo named mobs there now. I still think that EQ2 needs to rework some of their mid-level content. IMHO the solo content isn't as engaging from about 30-50 and the quests don't flow as well as they do in other areas, but there is still plenty of content to get you through it. It picks up again around 50 and the RoK stuff is just awesome. And I've played every class in the game except Paladin and Illusionist.. they all solo effectively.
WoW was fun when I played it. It played like a slow hack-n-slash to me. Which made it really fun in the beginning, but repetative over time. In retrospect I probably would not have played it as long as I did except.. I loved my little Tauren. I thought the Horde races were interesting.. unfortuanatly that "interesting" did not extend to the quests and gameplay, so the game failed to keep my attention in the long run.
EQ2 is a good game now. Not a great one, but a good one. If it had launched three years ago with the quality it had now, I think the WoW<->EQ2 share of the MMORPG market would be much different.
But, it is to late for that now. EQ2 launched bad. And as the business folks are just starting to learn, a bad launch is the kiss-of-death for a MMROPG. EQ2 launched early, with no open beta, to beat WoW to the shelves. But WoW had been in open beta for months. And the quality difference showed. And the players voted with their subscriptions.
EQ2 is a different game from WoW, but it is not 'better' than WoW, nor will it ever be so.
Harsh.
Currently returned to Norrath after disliking Hyboria.
Well if that's not the dictionary definition of a "personal opinion," I don't know what is.
Anheuser
Ummm, the thread IS about personal opinion, could you please elaborate on your point? People squaking about how great EQ2 is, are spewing personal opinion too. Nothing wrong with that. It allows people who are on the fence to determine if they agree with certain points or not in order to make their decision. Merely spouting off about facts on game mechanics does nothing to explain how fun they are, especially in the context of your preferred play style.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Why the huge discrepancy in leveling times? I'm curious what EQ2 has to offer that could occupy you for so many years and not hit the level cap, but in WoW you blasted through over 1/3 of the levels in one week?
one thing that many people in eq2 do is to turn off xp gain. This allows you to really do every quest and explore all areas without outleveling them. So it is kinda like playing several characters at once. Also there are a lot of collection/exploration type quests that can involve a lot of exploration. You can also easily play with lower level people by mentoring to go back and do something you missed. So while leveling in EQ2 and Wow are somewhat similar in overall speed in eq2 you have the option of not leveling so fast and eq2 has quite a bit more content then wow so you can spend time doing other types of quests or just trying to gain that special item or completing a collection.
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Ethion
ive played both games and in terms of game play id say i found everquest 2 better, crafting system was probs the best i have seen in an mmorpg. i used 2 love wow before tbc but now the game has just goten to easy imo, all seems like one big grind nothing more. only thing that stops me switching to EQ2 is that it just dnt seem to run smoothly. enemys seem to sorta teleport on ur head if ur running away from them. maby thats jst my comp, i dno
Ummm, yeah I know the thread is about personal opinions; however, Shoal's final comment was designed to make his opinion look like an unassailable fact when it's merely an opinion. I think that's an important point for all those people who are "on the fence" when it comes b/w EQ2 & WoW.
The ironic thing is that I agree with most of the comments that he made in his first two paragraphs about the early history of EQ2; however, his declaration that EQ2 will never be a great game and will never be better than WoW is purely an opinion & borderline fanboi-ish.
Anheuser